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KCJohnny
01-05-2008, 10:36 PM
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1LaDainian Tomlinson (http://www.nfl.com/players/ladainiantomlinson/profile?id=TOM683150) SD (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD) RB 315 19.7 1,474 4.7 92.1 15 49 75 23.8 13 2 2Adrian Peterson (http://www.nfl.com/players/adrianpeterson/profile?id=PET260705) MIN (http://www.nfl.com/teams/minnesotavikings/profile?team=MIN) RB 238 17.0 1,341 5.6 95.8 12 73T 62 26.1 11 5 3Brian Westbrook (http://www.nfl.com/players/brianwestbrook/profile?id=WES537220) PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) RB 278 18.5 1,333 4.8 88.9 7 36 73 26.3 11 0 0 4Willie Parker (http://www.nfl.com/players/willieparker/profile?id=PAR468944) PIT (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) RB 321 21.4 1,316 4.1 87.7 2 32 49 15.3 12 0 4 5Jamal Lewis (http://www.nfl.com/players/jamallewis/profile?id=LEW373095) CLE (http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE) RB 298 19.9 1,304 4.4 86.9 9 66T 58 19.5 9 2 4 6Clinton Portis (http://www.nfl.com/players/clintonportis/profile?id=POR792942) WAS (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS) RB 325 20.3 1,262 3.9 78.9 11 32 61 18.8 3 0 6 7Edgerrin James (http://www.nfl.com/players/edgerrinjames/profile?id=JAM177189) ARI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/arizonacardinals/profile?team=ARI) RB 324 20.2 1,222 3.8 76.4 7 27 52 16.0 4 0 4 8Willis McGahee (http://www.nfl.com/players/willismcgahee/profile?id=MCG001995) BAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/baltimoreravens/profile?team=BAL) RB 294 19.6 1,207 4.1 80.5 7 46T 56 19.0 5 1 4 9Fred Taylor (http://www.nfl.com/players/fredtaylor/profile?id=TAY220162) JAC (http://www.nfl.com/teams/jacksonvillejaguars/profile?team=JAC) RB 223 14.9 1,202 5.4 80.1 5 80T 45 20.2 8 4 2 10Thomas Jones (http://www.nfl.com/players/thomasjones/profile?id=JON755755) NYJ (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets/profile?team=NYJ) RB 310 19.4 1,119 3.6 69.9 1 36 55 17.7 2 0 2

Look how many vet RBs are in the top 10...

...maybe signing LJ to a big deal was not such a dumb idea after all...

still expensive, but I was really blown away by how many seasoned vets are in the top 10 in rushing this year. Johnson will be in his 5th season next year. Fred Taylor, Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis and Brian Westbrook are still producing at PB levels at or near the age of 30. LJ is just 26 (I think).

doomy3
01-05-2008, 10:38 PM
No, it was a bad idea. You're wrong.

Bwana
01-05-2008, 10:39 PM
:spock:

FAX
01-05-2008, 10:41 PM
What does it all mean?

FAX

blueballs
01-05-2008, 10:42 PM
I don't know is signing him was wrong
but letting him set the year out sure didn't hurt

QuikSsurfer
01-05-2008, 10:43 PM
http://nkilkenny.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/decoderring.jpg

acesn8s
01-05-2008, 10:43 PM
meh

Logical
01-05-2008, 10:44 PM
:spock:ROFL I am pretty sure I could hear your thoughts as you posted that.

milkman
01-05-2008, 10:44 PM
What does it all mean?

FAX

I think it all means that Chiefs fans are hopeless optimists.

BigMeatballDave
01-05-2008, 10:45 PM
Nope, still a bad idea...

KCChiefsFan88
01-05-2008, 10:47 PM
Have any of those veteran RBs had a season where they carried 400+ times? No

The Chiefs completely ignored the historical trends of what happens to a RB after a 400+ carry season... generally their career is never as productive and often ends early.

blueballs
01-05-2008, 10:48 PM
Jamal Lewis carried the rock over 400 times in a season
it was the bionics this season

KCJohnny
01-05-2008, 10:49 PM
Well, the point is, look how many vet RBs are still producing and helping their teams to winning seasons. I mean, how old is Fred Taylor? Jamal Lewis? Yet these guys are still outperforming guys 5-7 years younger.

I agree, the price tag for LJ was way too high, but having him on the roster is a good thing if this list of top 10 backs means anything.

doomy3
01-05-2008, 10:50 PM
This is a retarded thread.

KCJohnny
01-05-2008, 10:52 PM
This is a retarded thread.

It is now.

KCChiefsFan88
01-05-2008, 10:52 PM
This is a retarded thread.

Look who started the thread... enough said

KCJohnny
01-05-2008, 10:56 PM
I have low self esteem and need to take cheap shots on the internet at other people to feel good about myself...

Its OK. I forgive you.:Poke:

Mecca
01-05-2008, 11:05 PM
Some of those guys are also much more complete players..even if you dislike a guy like Portis he's much more complete as an overall player.

It remains a horrible signing, especially when you see how deep this years RB class is.

KCJohnny
01-05-2008, 11:10 PM
You must admit though, guys as senior as Fred Taylor getting 5.4 YPC and Brian Westbrook still getting 4.8 YPC is amazing.

CoMoChief
01-05-2008, 11:23 PM
This is a retarded thread.
Well by all means if you think this thread is retarded then we should all consult you first before we make any threads in the future.

doomy3
01-05-2008, 11:25 PM
Well by all means if you think this thread is retarded then we should all consult you first before we make any threads in the future.


So, are you saying that this isn't a retarded thread, or are you just trying to start shit?

KCJohnny
01-05-2008, 11:28 PM
So, are you saying that this isn't a retarded thread, or are you just trying to start shit?

The thread idiot is the one who changes the topic from football to the poster. It wasn't doomy3.

Cheers!:toast:

FAX
01-05-2008, 11:29 PM
I think it all means that Chiefs fans are hopeless optimists.

You make a good point, Mr. Mr. Flopnuts Sr. Surely, a Chiefs fan is one who can simultaneously maintain total optimism and abject depression for decades on end.

By the way, who are you? Did Mr. Mr. Flopnuts grow up? Did he have a baby Flopnuts? Did he turn Mexican?

FAX

doomy3
01-05-2008, 11:31 PM
You make a good point, Mr. Mr. Flopnuts Sr. Surely, a Chiefs fan is one who can simultaneously maintain total optimism and abject depression for decades on end.

By the way, who are you? Did Mr. Mr. Flopnuts grow up? Did he have a baby Flopnuts? Did he turn Mexican?

FAX


It's Milkman.

It's all very confusing around here.

FAX
01-05-2008, 11:32 PM
This is a retarded thread.

I don't think it's retarded, Mr. doomy3.

It's just special.

FAX

doomy3
01-05-2008, 11:33 PM
I don't think it's retarded, Mr. doomy3.

It's just special.

FAX


Well by all means if you think this thread is special then we should all consult you first before we make any threads in the future.

Direckshun
01-05-2008, 11:41 PM
I think it speaks volumes that we go 4-3 with LJ, lose the game he gets injured in, and go 0-8 with him out.

philfree
01-05-2008, 11:46 PM
Since we're in great shape in regards to the cap I don't see how it was a bad signing at all. I'm thinking he's heard/read the bad mouthing and he'll come to camp with that old chip back on his shoulder and he'll be ready to prove something. With an improved O line he'll be back to form and rush for 1,500 yards at least.

PhilFree:arrow:

Logical
01-05-2008, 11:49 PM
It's Milkman.

It's all very confusing around here.I am pretty sure it is not Milkman as Milkman has been posting as himself for years and still was even earlier today unless he changed it today, then again maybe he did?

Direckshun
01-05-2008, 11:50 PM
LJ won't run for 1500 until we get a passing game.

Croyle needs to come along and we need another receiving threat or two. Once that happens, LJ can sleep his way to 1500.

Mecca
01-06-2008, 12:01 AM
I think it speaks volumes that we go 4-3 with LJ, lose the game he gets injured in, and go 0-8 with him out.

The Chiefs became what their stats said they should be with or without LJ, at 4-3 the Chiefs were a statistical anomaly, their stats said they should have been at best 3-4 or more than likely 2-5. You can only keep that up so long before you become what you are suppose to be.

CoMoChief
01-06-2008, 12:09 AM
Well by all means if you think this thread is special then we should all consult you first before we make any threads in the future.
Wow, you're dumber than I thought.

cdcox
01-06-2008, 12:09 AM
LJ is just 26 (I think).

28

will turn 29 during next season.

cdcox
01-06-2008, 12:13 AM
You must admit though, guys as senior as Fred Taylor getting 5.4 YPC and Brian Westbrook still getting 4.8 YPC is amazing.

So you're saying we're paying a gabillion dollars a year to the only RB in the league that can't crack 3.5 ypc?

Pitt Gorilla
01-06-2008, 12:41 AM
Big contracts for backs with a lot of mileage are awesome.

Sincerely,
Shawn Alexander

BIG K
01-06-2008, 01:00 AM
It's Milkman.

It's all very confusing around here.

Mr. Milkman has no reason to post outside himself. He is way to intelligent. Though I disagree with the cranky old bastard on occassion, I respect his football intelligence and knowledge. He can formulate sentences too, a real plus for the rest of us.

:)

MadMax
01-06-2008, 01:16 AM
You make a good point, Mr. Mr. Flopnuts Sr. Surely, a Chiefs fan is one who can simultaneously maintain total optimism and abject depression for decades on end.

By the way, who are you? Did Mr. Mr. Flopnuts grow up? Did he have a baby Flopnuts? Did he turn Mexican?

FAX


It's what happens when ya go floppin yer nuts all over the place. :p

DaneMcCloud
01-06-2008, 01:53 AM
LJ is just 26 (I think).

What is it about Planeteers that seemingly make them IMMUNE to NFL.Com?

Or Google?

What. The. F*ck.

http://www.nfl.com/players/larryjohnson/profile?id=JOH399484

I mean, you have to type on CP, right?

Where's that ONE EXTRA STEP????????????????

stumppy
01-06-2008, 07:56 AM
What is it about Planeteers that seemingly make them IMMUNE to NFL.Com?

Or Google?

What. The. F*ck.

http://www.nfl.com/players/larryjohnson/profile?id=JOH399484

I mean, you have to type on CP, right?

Where's that ONE EXTRA STEP????????????????


I'd rather not let myself get pinned down to anything specific. When you start dealing with facts it eliminates about all of the wiggle room you have if you have to backtrack on something.:)

KC Tattoo
01-06-2008, 08:33 AM
What is it about Planeteers that seemingly make them IMMUNE to NFL.Com?

Or Google?

What. The. F*ck.

http://www.nfl.com/players/larryjohnson/profile?id=JOH399484

I mean, you have to type on CP, right?

Where's that ONE EXTRA STEP????????????????

That is funny, but you don't have to look anywhere but up top at the ~Chiefs~ then go to Roster and look the whole roster and B-day is on it. LJs birthday 11/19/1979.

xbarretx
01-06-2008, 08:36 AM
The Chiefs became what their stats said they should be with or without LJ, at 4-3 the Chiefs were a statistical anomaly, their stats said they should have been at best 3-4 or more than likely 2-5. You can only keep that up so long before you become what you are suppose to be.

Thanks Mecca QFT

looking at LJ's stats when he did play were morbidly mediocre. its not like he was rushing 100+ and ramming in TD's :shake:

the only reason we won those games is because the teams we beat were early in the season and thus didnt have there crap together.

paying LJ what we did was dumb, it was simply another candle on the birthday cake of "were the Chiefs and we dont know/want to rebuild correctly"

RB's are a dime a dozen and the extra picks not to mention even more cap room would of been nice going into this offseason.

suds79
01-06-2008, 09:31 AM
28

will turn 29 during next season.

I can't believe we made it this long into the tread before somebody posted this.

He's not exactly young.

Plus his average yards/carry has been on a steady decline for the last few years.

I question if he'll ever reach 1200 yards again.

And if he does, let's hope it doesn't take 315 carries to get there.

FringeNC
01-06-2008, 09:41 AM
When taking into account all the relevant factors -- age, wear, expense, possible trade value, bad attitude, how easily replaceable RBs are, LJs refusal to pass block -- it was a TERRIBLE signing, and indicative of the fact that Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards have no idea of how to build a championship team. No way a well-managed team re-signs him. No f'n way.

stonedstooge
01-06-2008, 09:49 AM
I just worry that the money took away the "hunger" he had to show everyone he could do it. I loved his attitude that everyone was out to get his job and thus he had to work his ass off to keep on top. But I think dumbazz Herm burned him up by running him too much last year. You could tell by the end of the year he had lost that initial burst that he showed when he was at his finest. He never showed it this year either. You can be strong and big, but the initial burst of speed was what made him great for the two years that he was wracking up the huge numbers. He needs to get the madness back and hopefully the long layoff he will have had before next year will allow that initial burst of speed to come back.

suds79
01-06-2008, 10:08 AM
I just worry that the money took away the "hunger" he had to show everyone he could do it. I loved his attitude that everyone was out to get his job and thus he had to work his ass off to keep on top. But I think dumbazz Herm burned him up by running him too much last year. You could tell by the end of the year he had lost that initial burst that he showed when he was at his finest. He never showed it this year either. You can be strong and big, but the initial burst of speed was what made him great for the two years that he was wracking up the huge numbers. He needs to get the madness back and hopefully the long layoff he will have had before next year will allow that initial burst of speed to come back.

As to the comment about Herm, I don't have a problem with feeding a back a ton of carries. I have a problem with using that strategy and not replacing the starting RB with some some young rookie every few years.

Gotta let vet RBs walk. They're just not worth it.

And as for all those RBs in this thread? I'd be willing to bet a lot of $$$ that at the end of the day it's Peyton or Tom hoisting the trophy up.

doomy3
01-06-2008, 10:57 AM
Mr. Milkman has no reason to post outside himself. He is way to intelligent. Though I disagree with the cranky old bastard on occassion, I respect his football intelligence and knowledge. He can formulate sentences too, a real plus for the rest of us.

:)


It was Milkman.

And "milkman jr." was Mr. Flopnuts. They are father and son so morphius was having fun last night and changed their usernames.

louie aguiar
01-06-2008, 11:04 AM
You're right, signing LJ to an enormous deal wasn't a bad idea. It was a terrible, monumentally stupid, someone should get fired for it kind of deal. LJ will turn 29 next season and has already shown signs of slowing down. After he carried the ball 400+ times (which, historically is the touch of death for RBs) in 06, Carl had a golden opportunity to trade the locker room cancer. He didn't because he was too afraid that ticket sales would suffer and now we're stuck with a guy that would rather party with rap stars than pick up a linebacker on a blitz. I'd much rather have Kolby Smith or anyone else running the ball next year. How Carl still has his job amazes me.

Mr. Laz
01-06-2008, 11:18 AM
You must admit though, guys as senior as Fred Taylor getting 5.4 YPC and Brian Westbrook still getting 4.8 YPC is amazing.
last time i checked Brian Westbrook wasn't a pouty little bitch who basically quit when things got rough.

doomy3
01-06-2008, 11:20 AM
last time i checked Brian Westbrook wasn't a pouty little bitch who basically quit when things got rough.


So, how do you really feel about LJ?? ROFL

milkman
01-06-2008, 11:50 AM
I am pretty sure it is not Milkman as Milkman has been posting as himself for years and still was even earlier today unless he changed it today, then again maybe he did?

Yes I am milkman.

Morphius decided to have a little fun with me and Jr.

Mr. Milkman has no reason to post outside himself. He is way to intelligent. Though I disagree with the cranky old bastard on occassion, I respect his football intelligence and knowledge. He can formulate sentences too, a real plus for the rest of us.

:)

Thanks.

I'm fairly certain that you're first person here to accuse me of intelligence.

I think some here probably think of me as a cretin.