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ClearmontChief
01-06-2008, 10:23 AM
I was just watching Sunday NFL Countdown. Mortenson is rumoring that Chan Gailey could becoming our O-Coordinator with Alex Gibbs coaching the O-line.

eazyb81
01-06-2008, 10:24 AM
I just posted the same thing in the rumors sticky.

KCFalcon59
01-06-2008, 10:39 AM
:Lin:on Gailey

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:39 AM
Is Dick Curl first wife
watching Big Love on HBO did come in handy

BigRedChief
01-06-2008, 10:43 AM
He's got the experience. From WIKIPEDIA

Troy State, Air Force, Troy Gailey stayed with Florida as a graduate assistant for two years before taking his first actual coaching job as the secondary coach for Troy State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_State_University) in Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama). After two seasons there, he spent four seasons with the Air Force Academy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Academy), including two as defensive coordinator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_coordinator) under head coach Ken Hatfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hatfield).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-1) In 1983, he took over the head coaching duties at Troy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_University), where he led the Trojans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Trojans) to a 12-1 record in 1984 en route to the Division II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_II) championship.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-2)
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Professional leagues

He moved up to the NFL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL) ranks the next year, when the Denver Broncos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver_Broncos) signed him as a defensive assistant and special teams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_teams) coach. The team made three Super Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl) appearances during his six-year tenure. He then became the head coach of the Birmingham Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Fire) of the World League of American Football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_League_of_American_Football), where the team made the playoffs both years he was coach. After a one-year stint as head coach at Samford University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samford_University), he returned to the NFL with the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers). He started off as coach for the wide receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver), then moved up to offensive coordinator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_coordinator) for the 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NFL_season) and 1997 NFL seasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NFL_season). Gailey was then hired to take over a struggling Dallas Cowboys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys) squad, one that had faltered under Barry Switzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Switzer) during his last year. Gailey's Cowboys won the NFC East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFC_East) in 1998, and made the playoffs under his two years at the reins, although they failed to win a playoff game. He then returned to the offensive coordinator role, this time with the Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-3)
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Georgia Tech

Gailey was hired by the Yellow Jackets in 2002 to replace George O'Leary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_O%27Leary) who left to become Head Coach at the University of Notre Dame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Notre_Dame), and was resigned in 2007.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-4) In his first five years at Georgia Tech, he had compiled a 37-27 record. Georgia Tech went to bowl games each year under Gailey, and won two: the 2003 Humanitarian Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_Bowl) (a 52-10 win over the University of Tulsa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tulsa)), and the 2004 Champs Sports Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champs_Sports_Bowl) (a 51-14 victory over Syracuse University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_University)). However, in seven seasons at the helm, Gailey never defeated Tech's biggest rival, the University of Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia), never won the ACC, never went to a BCS bowl, never lost fewer than 5 games, and never finished in the top 25. The 2006 season was his most successful at Georgia Tech winning the ACC Coastal Division, but losing to Wake Forest in the ACC championship game.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-5)

Gailey's name was mentioned for both the Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers) and Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins) head coaching jobs following the 2006 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Georgia_Tech_Yellow_Jackets_football_team), two teams for which he was offensive coordinator.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-6) Gailey got neither job. On January 19 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_19), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007) Gailey announced he would return to Georgia Tech.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-7)
After a 7-5 2007 regular season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Georgia_Tech_Yellow_Jackets_football_team) and losing for the sixth straight year to the Georgia Bulldogs football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Bulldogs_football) team, it was announced on November 26 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_26), 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007) that Gailey has been dismissed and will have his $1 million/year contract bought out.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-8)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-9)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-10)[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey#_note-11)

HemiEd
01-06-2008, 10:54 AM
Gailey's Cowboys won the NFC East in 1998, and made the playoffs under his two years at the reins, although they failed to win a playoff game.

He should fit right in.


J/k, he sounds qualified to me..

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-06-2008, 11:02 AM
Awesome, a retread who can't hack it in college.

There's nothing quite like circling the drain.

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 11:02 AM
Chan Gailey would be a great hire.

blueballs
01-06-2008, 11:05 AM
Herm hates Arena league
loves the NFL Europa coaches

Deberg_1990
01-06-2008, 11:06 AM
Awesome, a retread who can't hack it in college.



Dude, O-coordinators are retreads all the time.

I dont like retread Head Coaches, but coordinators are fine. Especially if they have a proven track record as Chan Gaily does.

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:06 AM
prunes

KC Tattoo
01-06-2008, 11:07 AM
Chan Gailey would be a great hire.


Oookkk.. Mr. River Falls Stall Tapper



ROFL

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:07 AM
please tell me he doesn't run a west coast O....

The Bad Guy
01-06-2008, 11:09 AM
Why would some of you want a young college coach brought in here when Herm can push him around to call his standard bullshit?

Gailey would be a great hire.

He has NFL experience and his offenses have been typically very good.

blueballs
01-06-2008, 11:11 AM
someone with experience is what this team needs
Herm is with out a doubt clueless about offense

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 11:14 AM
Gailey's history -

OC Pittsburgh

1996 - 11th pts, 15th yards
1997 - 7th pts, 6th yards

OC Miami

2000 - 16th points, 26th yards
2001 - 8th points, 21st yards

The stats don't look too impressive at first glance, but look at the QB talent he's had to work with:

Pittsburgh - Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart
Miami - Jay Fiedler

What he has had is Jerome Bettis, who excelled. Hell the guy got 1200 yards out of Lamar Smith.

And another note...his QBs were well protected. Most sacks allowed by a Gailey offense = 27.

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:16 AM
Why would some of you want a young college coach brought in here when Herm can push him around to call his standard bullshit?

Gailey would be a great hire.

He has NFL experience and his offenses have been typically very good.

I want someone whose offensive philosophy wasn't formed in the 80's...all that West Coast bs or Martyball smashmouth bs is outdated, and will get us no where...

and I don't want to watch Brodie throwing swing passes....we might as well draft another QB is that is our plan...

now, if Gailey isn't that guy then great....

DaWolf
01-06-2008, 11:18 AM
Why would some of you want a young college coach brought in here when Herm can push him around to call his standard bullshit?

Gailey would be a great hire.

He has NFL experience and his offenses have been typically very good.

I agree. He's just not HC material, but I think he could do a MUCH better job of game planning and calling the right plays than Solari ever could. He's a professional at the OC level, and that's fine. As long as he can utilize LJ, Gonzo, Bowe, and Croyle correctly and diversely, it's all good.

Now if we were hiring him for head coach, then I agree, :Lin:

Deberg_1990
01-06-2008, 11:18 AM
Gailey's history -

OC Pittsburgh

1996 - 11th pts, 15th yards
1997 - 7th pts, 6th yards

OC Miami

2000 - 16th points, 26th yards
2001 - 8th points, 21st yards

The stats don't look too impressive at first glance, but look at the QB talent he's had to work with:

Pittsburgh - Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart
Miami - Jay Fiedler

What he has had is Jerome Bettis, who excelled. Hell the guy got 1200 yards out of Lamar Smith.

And another note...his QBs were well protected. Most sacks allowed by a Gailey offense = 27.

I remember with the Steelers he got the reputation as sort of a "trick play" guy.

I guess all the stuff they used to do with Kordell.

I dont think hes a WCO guy as some have wondered. At least he doesnt run a pure version of it.

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:19 AM
Gailey's history -

OC Pittsburgh

1996 - 11th pts, 15th yards
1997 - 7th pts, 6th yards

OC Miami

2000 - 16th points, 26th yards
2001 - 8th points, 21st yards

The stats don't look too impressive at first glance, but look at the QB talent he's had to work with:

Pittsburgh - Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart
Miami - Jay Fiedler

What he has had is Jerome Bettis, who excelled. Hell the guy got 1200 yards out of Lamar Smith.

And another note...his QBs were well protected. Most sacks allowed by a Gailey offense = 27.

the Pitt stats aren't bad...and you really can't blame him for being stuck with Fiedler...he was worse than Dilfer...that's kind of small miracle to score that many points with such a shitty QB...


there's potential...

eazyb81
01-06-2008, 11:20 AM
Gailey's history -

OC Pittsburgh

1996 - 11th pts, 15th yards
1997 - 7th pts, 6th yards

OC Miami

2000 - 16th points, 26th yards
2001 - 8th points, 21st yards

The stats don't look too impressive at first glance, but look at the QB talent he's had to work with:

Pittsburgh - Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart
Miami - Jay Fiedler

What he has had is Jerome Bettis, who excelled. Hell the guy got 1200 yards out of Lamar Smith.

And another note...his QBs were well protected. Most sacks allowed by a Gailey offense = 27.

IMO, these stats tell a better story:

Pittsburgh '96
Rushing Yards per Game: 2nd
Rushing TDs: 3rd
Rushing 1st Downs: 1st
Passing Yards per Game: 27th
Passing TDs: 24th
Sacks Allowed: 2nd fewest

Pittsburgh '97
Rushing Yards per Game: 1st
Rushing TDs: 3rd
Rushing 1st Downs: 1st
Passing Yards per Game: 23rd
Passing TDs: 9th
Sacks Allowed: 1st fewest

Miami '00
Rushing Yards per Game: 14th
Rushing TDs: 7th
Rushing 1st Downs: 15th
Passing Yards per Game: 27th
Passing TDs: 24th
Sacks Allowed: 7th fewest

Miami '01
Rushing Yards per Game: 23rd
Rushing TDs: 9th
Rushing 1st Downs: 15th
Passing Yards per Game: 19th
Passing TDs: 12th
Sacks Allowed: 7th fewest

blueballs
01-06-2008, 11:20 AM
Is he a both or sideline guy
Herm could use some sideline help

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:22 AM
IMO, these stats tell a better story:

Pittsburgh '96
Rushing Yards per Game: 2nd
Rushing TDs: 3rd
Rushing 1st Downs: 1st
Passing Yards per Game: 27th
Passing TDs: 24th
Sacks Allowed: 2nd fewest

Pittsburgh '97
Rushing Yards per Game: 1st
Rushing TDs: 3rd
Rushing 1st Downs: 1st
Passing Yards per Game: 23rd
Passing TDs: 9th
Sacks Allowed: 1st fewest

Miami '00
Rushing Yards per Game: 14th
Rushing TDs: 7th
Rushing 1st Downs: 15th
Passing Yards per Game: 27th
Passing TDs: 24th
Sacks Allowed: 7th fewest

Miami '01
Rushing Yards per Game: 23rd
Rushing TDs: 9th
Rushing 1st Downs: 15th
Passing Yards per Game: 19th
Passing TDs: 12th
Sacks Allowed: 7th fewest


so that's why Herm wants him....he hates passing too...ugh

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 11:22 AM
the Pitt stats aren't bad...and you really can't blame him for being stuck with Fiedler...he was worse than Dilfer...that's kind of small miracle to score that many points with such a shitty QB...


there's potential...

Herm probably sees an OC who can make chicken salad out of chicken shit if he has a good defense setting the offense up.

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 11:23 AM
so that's why Herm wants him....he hates passing too...ugh

No. That's purely a function of the talent. The best WR Chan Gailey had was Yancy Thigpen. And his QBs sucked.

Deberg_1990
01-06-2008, 11:23 AM
so that's why Herm wants him....he hates passing too...ugh

That might be something with his lack of quality QB's??

Somebody dig up the stats with Dallas when he had Aikman please...

The Bad Guy
01-06-2008, 11:24 AM
Is he a both or sideline guy
Herm could use some sideline help

He's definitely a booth guy.

I will love if Gibbs gets hired. He's a big piece to turning this O-line around.

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 11:24 AM
That might be something with his lack of quality QB's??

Somebody dig up the stats with Dallas when he had Aikman please...

9th and 24th

FringeNC
01-06-2008, 11:25 AM
so that's why Herm wants him....he hates passing too...ugh


I mentioned it in the other thread, but I think Gailey is WC guy -- one who likes to utilize a power-running game. Gailey is competent, but unexciting in my view.

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:26 AM
well, whatever...no matter who Herm hires, he'll will be subject to Herms outdated conservative philosophies...

we will sit on leads, and play for FGs early in the game rather than going for the kill....that will never change...

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:29 AM
I mentioned it in the other thread, but I think Gailey is WC guy -- one who likes to utilize a power-running game. Gailey is competent, but unexciting in my view.

I honestly don't see the point of grooming Croyle for a WC offense, you don't need a strong arm for that...you need great accuracy and shifty feet...might as well draft Ryan....

Deberg_1990
01-06-2008, 11:31 AM
well, whatever...no matter who Herm hires, he'll will be subject to Herms outdated conservative philosophies...

we will sit on leads, and play for FGs early in the game rather than going for the kill....that will never change...

Agreed.

That team you saw last night: Jags is who Herm aspires to be.

eazyb81
01-06-2008, 11:33 AM
I mentioned it in the other thread, but I think Gailey is WC guy -- one who likes to utilize a power-running game. Gailey is competent, but unexciting in my view.

Gailey isn't a WCO guy.

And like GOATSE said earlier, Gailey has shown that he adjusts his scheme to the players around. He has aired it out on some teams and ran it with others.

Zouk
01-06-2008, 11:35 AM
I personally don't like the fit at all - it's another very complicated offense with a huge playbook that takes years to learn. Troy Aikman hated it. I think the Chiefs probably put out feelers to Alex Gibbs who recommended Gailey as they worked together in Denver in the 80's.

I mentioned it in the other thread, but I think Gailey is WC guy -- one who likes to utilize a power-running game. Gailey is competent, but unexciting in my view.

His offense is not West Coast and is not based on a power running game. It has lots of 4 wide receiver sets with running backs kept in to block. Not tight end friendly at all. From this link:

http://www.texnews.com/1998/1999/cowboys/off1024.html

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones offered this perspective:

"We all know there are a lot of different offenses, a lot of different schemes, a lot of different ways to play the same player, and if you can put it all together, you can win a Super Bowl. We've seen that. Different types of coaches, different styles of offenses can win Super Bowls." Gailey's system is more running to the outside; Turner's offense, more running off-tackle.
...
These are styles different from each other. There is more power blocking in Turner's offense; there is more pulling in Gailey's offense.

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:37 AM
Agreed.

That team you saw last night: Jags is who Herm aspires to be.

yup, to a T


and the Jags are good, there are worse things to be...but, well, I'd rather build something that didn't see offense and defense as enemies...

Zouk
01-06-2008, 11:38 AM
I honestly don't see the point of grooming Croyle for a WC offense, you don't need a strong arm for that...you need great accuracy and shifty feet...might as well draft Ryan....


You don't need a strong arm for any one offense over another - Holmgren certainly maximized Favre, as does McCarthy - both of whose offenses rely heavily on West Coast principles.

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 11:40 AM
You don't need a strong arm for any one offense over another - Holmgren certainly maximized Favre, as does McCarthy - both of whose offenses rely heavily on West Coast principles.

great, go get me Holmgren....and Farve....then I'll sign on...

FringeNC
01-06-2008, 11:43 AM
I personally don't like the fit at all - it's another very complicated offense with a huge playbook that takes years to learn. Troy Aikman hated it. I think the Chiefs probably put out feelers to Alex Gibbs who recommended Gailey as they worked together in Denver in the 80's.



His offense is not West Coast and is not based on a power running game. It has lots of 4 wide receiver sets with running backs kept in to block. Not tight end friendly at all. From this link:

http://www.texnews.com/1998/1999/cowboys/off1024.html

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones offered this perspective:

"We all know there are a lot of different offenses, a lot of different schemes, a lot of different ways to play the same player, and if you can put it all together, you can win a Super Bowl. We've seen that. Different types of coaches, different styles of offenses can win Super Bowls." Gailey's system is more running to the outside; Turner's offense, more running off-tackle.
...
These are styles different from each other. There is more power blocking in Turner's offense; there is more pulling in Gailey's offense.

Yep, you're right -- it's not power running at all (which is a good thing, imo.), but I do think his passing is WCO-style.

the Talking Can
01-06-2008, 12:18 PM
i freely admit i'm being a negative nelly...

i'm more concerned with the OC's ability to develop a QB than I am the particulars of his philosophy, actually..

cdcox
01-06-2008, 12:38 PM
What strikes me as funny is that we are looking at all these zone blocking guys for OC. It seems like the first part of the AS offense that Herm scrapped was the outside runs that featured zone blocking.

FringeNC
01-06-2008, 01:28 PM
What strikes me as funny is that we are looking at all these zone blocking guys for OC. It seems like the first part of the AS offense that Herm scrapped was the outside runs that featured zone blocking.


Yeah, I have a feeling that it was Herm, not Solari, that wanted to go towards the smash-mouth running attack that we featured so ineffectively. If Herm stayed, Solari had to go, just for credibility's sake. At least perhaps Herm realized that smash-mouth doesn't work. Whoever was at fault this year -- and my guess is that it was more Herm than Solari -- a fresh start and perhaps and edict from Peterson that Herm not interfere, it simply can't get any worse than it was this year.

doomy3
01-06-2008, 01:33 PM
Awesome, a retread who can't hack it in college.

There's nothing quite like circling the drain.


Yet people want Cam Cameron, who just went 1-15.

Halfcan
01-06-2008, 01:35 PM
As long as Hermy is the head coach-it does not matter who we hire.

Bill S Preston
01-06-2008, 01:46 PM
Alex Gibbs huh? So you guys are going to run the old bitch blocking scheme like the donks and faiders?

RedThat
01-06-2008, 01:55 PM
Gailey and Gibbs would be a good combination.

On a positive note, I do like what Im hearing about how he builds and adjusts his schemes to the talents of the players, but Im not gonna hold my breath on that and rely on what I hear because sometimes HC can be full of it anyway?

but building a scheme to what your players can do best is definately a smart thing to do. I love the sound of that. Hopefully Herm's philosophy can stay away from that, and hopefully he can stay away from the offense period.

dirk digler
01-06-2008, 01:55 PM
Alex Gibbs huh? So you guys are going to run the old bitch blocking scheme like the donks

If you can't beat'em you join them

RedThat
01-06-2008, 01:57 PM
What strikes me as funny is that we are looking at all these zone blocking guys for OC. It seems like the first part of the AS offense that Herm scrapped was the outside runs that featured zone blocking.

Might as well keep Wiegmann then?

cdcox
01-06-2008, 02:00 PM
but building a scheme to what your players can do best is definately a smart thing to do. I love the sound of that. Hopefully Herm's philosophy can stay away from that, and hopefully he can stay away from the offense period.

When Herm says building to "match what your players can do" he means "Brodie Croyle". Herm realizes he doesn't have time to start with a new QB (unless he goes with someone elses castoff vet). So he is going to sink or swim with Croyle and wants to have a scheme that he thinks will give Croyle the best chance for success.

FAX
01-06-2008, 02:01 PM
... building a scheme to what your players can do best is definately a smart thing to do. I love the sound of that. ...

His statements in that regard are somewhat heartening, Mr. RedBull.

After watching him put this line on the field, though, I have to wonder if Herm can, in fact, identify those things a player does best.

FAX

Deberg_1990
01-06-2008, 02:02 PM
Might as well keep Wiegmann then?

Now thats a good point.

Zone blocking calls for slimmer more athletic linemen, which i thought was Weigmanns strength??

Maybe hes just getting too old? Not sure how old he is?

cdcox
01-06-2008, 02:02 PM
Might as well keep Wiegmann then?

He'll be 35 next year and is clearly in decline. I don't see it.

The Bad Guy
01-06-2008, 02:12 PM
Now thats a good point.

Zone blocking calls for slimmer more athletic linemen, which i thought was Weigmanns strength??

Maybe hes just getting too old? Not sure how old he is?

I think he's 34. No way do I want him. He's not quick anymore.

OctoberFart
01-06-2008, 02:18 PM
Now thats a good point.

Zone blocking calls for slimmer more athletic linemen, which i thought was Weigmanns strength??

Maybe hes just getting too old? Not sure how old he is?


If Gibbs is hired you guys here will go from calling zone blocking dirty and cheap to it's just part of the game and everyone does it.

TEX
01-06-2008, 02:27 PM
well, whatever...no matter who Herm hires, he'll will be subject to Herms outdated conservative philosophies...

we will sit on leads, and play for FGs early in the game rather than going for the kill....that will never change...

Unfortunately, you are correct sir.

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 02:30 PM
At least perhaps Herm realized that smash-mouth doesn't work.

It works fine when you have the players to run it.

TEX
01-06-2008, 02:32 PM
If Gibbs is hired you guys here will go from calling zone blocking dirty and cheap to it's just part of the game and everyone does it.

It doesn' have to result in "dirty" play. The TEXANS use it, and they play "clean." However, Denver and Atlanta play dirty. :hmmm:

blueballs
01-06-2008, 02:34 PM
If Gibbs is hired you guys here will go from calling zone blocking dirty and cheap to it's just part of the game and everyone does it.


No
we will still call a mother ****er a mother ****er
father ****er

milkman
01-06-2008, 02:43 PM
It works fine when you have the players and coach to run it.

FYP

FringeNC
01-06-2008, 02:53 PM
It works fine when you have the players to run it.

What playoff favorites run smash-mouth?

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 02:58 PM
What playoff favorites run smash-mouth?

Jags won a playoff game yesterday.

milkman
01-06-2008, 02:58 PM
What playoff favorites run smash-mouth?

The fact is, this is, without a doubt, a QB driven league now.

You could still be smashmouth and be among the elite as long as you have a real QB.

The Jags would be among the favorites if they had a real QB.

The experts and Jack Del Rio can spin it any way they want, but Garrard is not one of those QBs.

The Bad Guy
01-06-2008, 03:00 PM
The fact is, this is, without a doubt, a QB driven league now.

You could still be smashmouth and be among the elite as long as you have a real QB.

The Jags would be among the favorites if they had a real QB.

The experts and Jack Del Rio can spin it any way they want, but Garrard is not one of those QBs.

He might be if the Jaguars could surround him with a receiver worth a damn.

I really don't know what there isn't to like about Garrard. He's smart in the pocket, makes plays with his legs, doesn't make mistakes (except for last night).

But you're right, this is a QB driven league. Just look at the playoff teams left.

milkman
01-06-2008, 03:04 PM
He might be if the Jaguars could surround him with a receiver worth a damn.

I really don't know what there isn't to like about Garrard. He's smart in the pocket, makes plays with his legs, doesn't make mistakes (except for last night).

But you're right, this is a QB driven league. Just look at the playoff teams left.

He may develop into that QB, but I don't yet see that guy that makes plays with his arm on a consistent basis.

Steve Young couldn't advance to the SB until he became a passer first.

And remember, Joe Montana still made big plays with his arm in KC, and who the hell, really, did he have as receivers?

Bowser
01-06-2008, 03:10 PM
Yep, you're right -- it's not power running at all (which is a good thing, imo.), but I do think his passing is WCO-style.

I haven't read the thread past this point, but wasn't Gailey under Ernie Zampeese(sp?), who ran a version of the Coryell system with those powerhouse Dallas teams of the early to mid 90's?

el borracho
01-06-2008, 03:25 PM
Whatever, just as long as he's gone when we fire Herm at the end of next year.

cdcox
01-06-2008, 03:27 PM
I haven't read the thread past this point, but wasn't Gailey under Ernie Zampeese(sp?), who ran a version of the Coryell system with those powerhouse Dallas teams of the early to mid 90's?

I don't think so. Gailey's only stint with the Cowboys was as HC.

Deberg_1990
01-06-2008, 05:13 PM
I haven't read the thread past this point, but wasn't Gailey under Ernie Zampeese(sp?), who ran a version of the Coryell system with those powerhouse Dallas teams of the early to mid 90's?


No.

Gailey had nothing to do with Zampese.

MahiMike
01-06-2008, 07:24 PM
Looks like a good fit for Herm. Maybe they can live together. That way they only have to sell one house after next year's 6-9 record.

TEX
01-06-2008, 08:39 PM
Looks like a good fit for Herm. Maybe they can live together. That way they only have to sell one house after next year's 6-9 record.

Did you mean 6-10?

Or are the Chiefs so bad that they only have to play 15 games next season?

stonedstooge
01-06-2008, 09:26 PM
You tell me which 6 we will win next year. I think we will be lucky to match this years record or worse. Another year of Herm will not show improvements but more downgrades no matter who is picked up. He just plain has no idea how to field a winning team. Look how the defense worsened intstead of got better as the year progressed. I excpect the defensive to be as much a cluster f**k next year as Herm as caused the offensive to become the past 2 years.

booger
01-06-2008, 09:57 PM
TE coach at Miami under Cameron. Didn't he coach at Pittsburgh w/ chan gailey? Maybe he could be part of the staff as well if indeed Gailey comes as OC.

Jumping ahead incase Gailey actually does become our new OC.

Anyone know of an Alex Gibbs bio link on the web? Trying to find out if he and Gailey actually worked together or not. Also Gibbs is damn near 70 isn't he?

Anyone have any guesses as to who else might be the next position coaches on O?

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:03 PM
as long as your not Detroit Oakland or Arizona
you can go from 4-12 to 8-8 the next season
with out batting a eye - even Peterson

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 10:05 PM
Mularkey was OC in Pittsburgh and quite successful.

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 10:06 PM
Anyone know of an Alex Gibbs bio link on the web? Trying to find out if he and Gailey actually worked together or not?

They definitely worked together. It was in the article tonight at Warpaint.

milkman
01-06-2008, 10:07 PM
TE coach at Miami under Cameron. Didn't he coach at Pittsburgh w/ chan gailey? Maybe he could be part of the staff as well if indeed Gailey comes as OC.

Jumping ahead incase Gailey actually does become our new OC.

Anyone know of an Alex Gibbs bio link on the web? Trying to find out if he and Gailey actually worked together or not. Also Gibbs is damn near 70 isn't he?

Anyone have any guesses as to who else might be the next position coaches on O?

Seeeing as how it's Herman ****ing Edwards doing the hiring, I'm expecting someone like these guys will be the QB and RB coaches.

http://www.the-spine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/retouch.jpg

booger
01-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Mularkey was OC in Pittsburgh and quite successful.

I was thinking he took over when Gailey left the OC gig in Pittsburgh to become Cowpokes HC. They basically ran the same system Ken Whisenhunt did/does.

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:14 PM
Holmgrem and Levy's prom pic

booger
01-06-2008, 10:14 PM
They definitely worked together. It was in the article tonight at Warpaint.

So you're saying it's just a rumor?












:)

booger
01-06-2008, 10:15 PM
Andy Reid w/ a shaved beard and a young Kurt schottenheimen?

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:17 PM
this has pic has a future here

booger
01-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Actually, Curved Dick surved as Herms RB coach in '05 along with being the timeclock coach.

Think how well that would work now if Curl coached RB's. Didn't a past JW article mention He and LJ hate each other?

Count Alex's Losses
01-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Actually, Curved Dick surved as Herms RB coach in '05 along with being the timeclock coach.

Think how well that would work now if Curl coached RB's. Didn't a past JW article mention He and LJ hate each other?

Warpaint also reported some news on the RB coach front today. I personally heard a name but cannot repeat it.

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:24 PM
Could be the players didn't respect Solari
because he didn't tell Curl to **** off

booger
01-06-2008, 10:33 PM
Warpaint also reported some news on the RB coach front today. I personally heard a name but cannot repeat it.

Kimble Anders Coached RB's at Avila College and Mid American Nazarene as well as the minority coach program with the NFL in our TC last year. I think former Ram RB Amp Lee was in TC a few years back.

Can you give us a hint at what you heard?

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:34 PM
LJ
Since LJ is washed up /Mecca

booger
01-06-2008, 10:37 PM
Beyonce

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:38 PM
she's an upgrade

booger
01-06-2008, 10:39 PM
i'd throw a shot in her.

booger
01-06-2008, 10:40 PM
she's an upgrade

we need a tittyfock smiley

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:40 PM
who hasn't

milkman
01-06-2008, 10:41 PM
LJ
Since LJ is washed up /Mecca

Mecca would never suggest LJ as a RB coach, and with very good reason.

A RB coach has to attempt to teach a RB every aspect of a RBs responsibilty, and since LJ sucks at blocking, and is only a moderately capable receiver, he would suck in a coaching capacity.

blueballs
01-06-2008, 10:42 PM
Mecca just gets credit for the washed up part

booger
01-06-2008, 10:46 PM
Warpaint also reported some news on the RB coach front today. I personally heard a name but cannot repeat it.

Bob Barker so Dick Curl doesn't feel so old. That's it isn't it. Sh!t. I new we wernt(redneck spelling) rebuilding.

BigRock
01-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Anyone have any guesses as to who else might be the next position coaches on O?
They're more wishes than guesses, but if we could somehow talk Clyde Christensen (WR coach) away from the Colts, that would be nice. He worked in Tampa the whole time Herm was there and is apparently happy being a position coach after being the Bucs' OC for a year. Of course, why would he come here unless Dungy was retiring or something.

Hue Jackson is apparently out of a job in Atlanta after being the OC for a year, and he was previously the WR coach in Cinci with all their guys. He's more of a possibility than Christensen since he needs a job, but unlike Christensen he's probably going to look for OC jobs again since his dismissal in Atlanta is just a part of the farce going on over there. And he has no connection to Herm that I'm aware of.

RB coach, I dunno. I bet LJ would get along great with Jimmy Raye, but he's with the Jets. Plus, a "JIMMY RAYE RE-HIRED" thread would be a barrell of fun, especially if it happened before we hire the new OC.

booger
01-06-2008, 10:52 PM
They're more wishes than guesses, but if we could somehow talk Clyde Christensen (WR coach) away from the Colts, that would be nice. He worked in Tampa the whole time Herm was there and is apparently happy being a position coach after being the Bucs' OC for a year. Of course, why would he come here unless Dungy was retiring or something.

Hue Jackson is apparently out of a job in Atlanta after being the OC for a year, and he was previously the WR coach in Cinci with all their guys. He's more of a possibility than Christensen since he needs a job, but unlike Christensen he's probably going to look for OC jobs again since his dismissal in Atlanta is just a part of the farce going on over there. And he has no connection to Herm that I'm aware of.

RB coach, I dunno. I bet LJ would get along great with Jimmy Raye, but he's with the Jets. Plus, a "JIMMY RAYE RE-HIRED" thread would be a barrell of fun, especially if it happened before we hire the new OC.

Yep. CC would be a good hire but can't do a lateral move like you said.

Jackson was Spurrier's OC in Wash IIRC. He would be good for RB or WR coach.

I never had a problem with Raye as RB coach. Just suprised he hasn't retired yet from coaching.