Talk Of Hillary Exit Engulfs Campaigns

[cookster50]

Headline on Drudge right now. Doesn't link to an article, just a newsflash section of Drudge. Developing story....

[damaticous]

I wouldn't have voted for her, so in a way I'm glad. But she did/does create some pretty good competition and it would have been neat to see a woman president.

If this is true the only people I feel sorry for are the ones that believed in her and contributed to her campaign. For compaigning so hard it's kind of surprising.

I wonder what kind of excuse she will come up with....The Repubicans were going to brake a incriminating story about her?, the Republicans were going to accuse her of {insert randome words here}...

WE'll see...if it's true that is.

[cookster50]

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TALK OF HILLARY EXIT ENGULFS CAMPAIGNS
Mon Jan 07 2008 09:46:28 ET

Facing a double-digit defeat in New Hampshire, a sudden collapse in national polls and an expected fund-raising drought, Senator Hillary Clinton is preparing for a tough decision: Does she get out of the race? And when?!

"She can't take multiple double-digit losses in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada," laments one top campaign insider to the DRUDGE REPORT. "If she gets too badly embarrassed, it will really harm her. She doesn't want the Clinton brand to be damaged with back-to-back-to-back defeats."

Meanwhile, Democrat hopeful John Edwards has confided to senior staff that he is staying in the race because Hillary "could soon be out."

"Her money is going to dry up," Edwards confided, a top source said Monday morning.

MORE

Key players in Clinton's inner circle are said to be split. James Carville is urging her to fight it out through at least February and Super Tuesday, where she has a shot at thwarting Barack Obama in a big state. But others close to the former first lady now see no possible road to victory, sources claim.

Developing...

[The dramatic reversal of fortunes has left the media establishment stunned and racing to keep up with fast-moving changes.

In its final poll before Iowa, CNN showed Clinton with a two-point lead over Obama. Editorial decisions were being made based on an understanding the Democratic primary race would be close, explained a network executive.

[BigRedChief]

Can anyone say VP?

[Sully]

Can anyone say VP?
About as easil;y as I can say albatross.

[Dr.Fine]

Can anyone say VP?

she's already done that--I like her just fine as a Senator, or possibly an appropriate Cabinet pos.

[HonestChieffan]

not news anywhere else...

[Cochise]

Can anyone say VP?

Hillary's ego would not permit her to play second fiddle to anyone, least of all the guy who would steal the crown from her

[Cochise]

Hard to tell what she would do though. Her saving grace had been that even though she got embarrassed in Iowa, her national poll numbers were still 10 points higher than his or whatever they were. Now though people are shifting.

I think you will see a lot of Democratic pols who were behind her start to abandon her, as they seek to associate themselves with the winning team. And she's going to run out of money really fast if the Clinton machine can't convince people she's got a chance.

I don't see her hanging around once it's abundantly clear she's going to lose. But there are two things to balance here. The Clintons' deference to their own legacy, is certainly very important to them. But I don't know if they might be willing to accept the fact that America is rejecting them so easily. For all we know, she might still be deluded about the state of things.

[Mr. Kotter]

Hmmm.....guess I was right, about this at least, afterall. :hmmm:


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=174560&highlight=Hillary

[jAZ]

Drudge's speculation?

That's not news, even for Drudge.

[jAZ]

Hmmm.....guess I was right, about this at least, afterall. :hmmm:


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=174560&highlight=Hillary
Did you ever post a claim that the sky is blue that you'd like to brag about as well?

[Mr. Kotter]

Drudge's speculation?

That's not news, even for Drudge.

If she loses big tomorrow, and shows no "rebound" very soon...it may be speculation, at the moment....but it will be soon be prophecy. ROFL

Maybe it's just another lucky guess/hunch he has about another "Clinton"--like Monica's blue dress, eh? :)

[Laz]

if she doesn't win NH or SC she'll quit before super tuesday imo .... but not before.



btw i want her to stick around awhile to give the GOP something to shoot at. :)

[Mr. Kotter]

Did you ever post a claim that the sky is blue that you'd like to brag about as well?

A number of people seemed to disagree that the sky was blue now, didn't they....including many alleged experts.
:hmmm:

[Cochise]

I don't think she'll quit before super tuesday. She'll have a couple of weeks to try to reinvent herself again, and I think they'll try and do it.

She'll probably get baby sealed in almost every state or every state and bow out then.

It's pathetic how poorly her campaign has been run, since it has been going for 15 years or so.

[jAZ]

I guarantee that she doesn't quit the race before Feb 5th, no matter what happens.

Now that I have my prediction out there... This is interesting. Especially since it's from someone on record who knows this situation all too well.

(note, saying these things helps Edwards by trying to narrow the field to Obama/Edwards... FYI)

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/edwards_adviser_trippi_hillary_is_broke.php

Edwards Adviser Trippi: Hillary Campaign Is Broke
By Greg Sargent - January 7, 2008, 11:45AM

Edwards senior adviser Joe Trippi has a theory about the Clinton campaign: He says that it's broke, or will be soon enough.

"There's a good chance that they're on the ropes financially," Trippi argued in an interview by cell phone from New Hampshire. "I can guarantee you their money is drying up. I don't think anyone is contributing to them."

Trippi was giving voice to a theory that's been moving around in political circles of late -- that the Hillary campaign's massive spending over the past couple months, combined with the fundraising slowdown that will inevitably attend Obama's victory over her in Iowa and possibly in New Hampshire, will ultimately leave the Hillary camp without the resources it needs to keep up its spending levels through the later primaries, as it needs to do.

The Hillary campaign had $35 million in cash on hand for the primary as of mid-October. There's no way of knowing for sure how much she's spent -- or raised -- since then until the next filing comes out.

Trippi -- who knows something about frontrunner campaigns petering out from his experiences with the Dean campaign in 2004 -- theorizes that Hillary's current level of spending will prove impossible to sustain for as long as she needs to sustain it, particularly since Obama's victory in Iowa and possible win in New Hampshire could unleash a flood of contributions for his campaign. It's unusual for senior campaign operatives to speculate about rival campaigns in such process-y detail.

"They're spending 20 million a month," Trippi said. "She had 400 organizers in Iowa, spent seven million on TV, had massive phone-banking and direct mail...I don't know how much longer they can go on [at this rate]."

Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson dismissed Trippi's speculation.

"I like Joe, but he should probably spend more time worrying about his own campaign," he told us. "Our resources are considerable and our organization is strong throughout the nation."

Anyway, take it for what it's worth. More from the Trippi interview a bit later.

[Mr. Kotter]

I guarantee that she doesn't quit the race before Feb 5th....

Oh, I agree that could be; but I won't be shocked if she does drop-out sooner to try to save some face.

My amazement is mostly with all the talking heads who kept hyping her as the inevitable candidate....including some pretty reputable "experts" and even some otherwise lucid posters here at the Planet. :)

[Dr.Fine]

Oh, I agree that could be; but I won't be shocked if she does drop-out sooner to try to save some face.

My amazement is mostly with all the talking heads who kept hyping her as the inevitable candidate....including some pretty reputable "experts" and even some otherwise lucid posters here at the Planet. :)


not at all--many on the Right have a considerable emotional investment in Hillary being the Dem nominee--what I want to know is how is Dick Morris going to make a living now? maybe he and Marv Albert can do some dating seminars?

[patteeu]

Hillary's problems are nothing that an Obama walk in Ft. Marcy Park couldn't cure. ;)

[StcChief]

Can anyone say VP?
can anyone say go back to your Senator duty the NY people elected you to do.

[FAX]

Sure. Start folding your clothes at the first sign of trouble. What happens when Iran starts exporting radioactive pistachios? Pack the silver and move in with your mother?

FAX

[Cochise]

Hillary's problems are nothing that an Obama walk in Ft. Marcy Park couldn't cure. ;)

ouch ROFL

[Cochise]

Obama would be a fool to pick her as a running mate anyway. Talk about the one thing he could to do put the biggest drag on the campaign possible.

[Laz]

I don't think she'll quit before super tuesday. She'll have a couple of weeks to try to reinvent herself again, and I think they'll try and do it.

She'll probably get baby sealed in almost every state or every state and bow out then.

It's pathetic how poorly her campaign has been run, since it has been going for 15 years or so.
you really think she'll actually go through super tuesday if she's getting her ass handed to her.

i doubt it .... she'll want to bow out and avoid the embarrassment.


going to super tuesday doesn't just risk this election .... it risks any future run at the big leagues.

[Cochise]

you really think she'll actually go through super tuesday if she's getting her ass handed to her.

i doubt it .... she'll want to bow out and avoid the embarrassment.

going to super tuesday doesn't just risk this election .... it risks any future run at the big leagues.

They aren't going to cut out tonight or tomorrow, that's nutty, IMO. If I were in that campaign, I'd get her out on TV looking not so plastic and calculated and just... make some kind of an attempt to do something. She can't bow out after two tiny little states.

Two or three weeks is enough time to make progress, it would be dumb of her not to try.

And, the Clinton arrogance reminds us that I'm sure they probably think that anybody with sense wants to elect her, they just need to repackage to make people realize it. I doubt that she sincerely believes her time has passed and that America isn't in love with her.

And if she quit now, forget any future aspirations. The network of people who stumped for her and dug deep into their pockets won't be there next time. And by 2012 or 2016, how old would she be? 70? America would elect the right woman, but I don't know about a cranky old lady.

[HolmeZz]

Obama would be a fool to pick her as a running mate anyway. Talk about the one thing he could to do put the biggest drag on the campaign possible.

She'd pretty much be the worst VP he could choose.

[Laz]

They aren't going to cut out tonight or tomorrow, that's nutty, IMO. If I were in that campaign, I'd get her out on TV looking not so plastic and calculated and just... make some kind of an attempt to do something. She can't bow out after two tiny little states.

i don't think she'll bow out now ... but if she continues to suck i just don't see her going through super tuesday and getting Kucinich-ed.

you're right about Clinton arrogance/determination ...... they may press on regardless. :shrug:


you think Edwards would VP for Obama?

i doubt it.

[Cochise]

I don't think Obama would want Edwards. He can do better than that.

I was thinking he would pick Biden, or if he could find anyone from the south that might help.

[NewPhin]

My amazement is mostly with all the talking heads who kept hyping her as the inevitable candidate....including some pretty reputable "experts" and even some otherwise lucid posters here at the Planet. :)

Dude, weren't you one of the people who had basically used the inevitability of her candidacy as yet another way of attacking how horrible the DNC has become?

[StcChief]

Obama would be a fool to pick her as a running mate anyway. Talk about the one thing he could to do put the biggest drag on the campaign possible.
she would be an excellent choice for Obama... to seal a Republican win.

[memyselfI]

This is wishful thinking trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy, IMO.

No way she bows out this early. I think she will stay on board until the writing is on the wall which I don't think it is just yet.

[Cochise]

Dude, weren't you one of the people who had basically used the inevitability of her candidacy as yet another way of attacking how horrible the DNC has become?

I think that if you go back a year or more, she could have been inevitable if she had run a good campaign. After all, this is what the Clintons do... how could they screw this up?

They have blown it, bigtime, by making her image worse.

She went into the Senate a carpetbagger - worked in NY where they are popular, but the rest of America saw her as even more fraudulent than before. She turtled up in debates and didn't give anything of substance. They won't let any but the most friendly media have access to her, they won't let anyone ask anything but pre-screened questions.

The 'two-for-one' bit isn't flying, either, because people see it as trying to mooch off her husband's perceived merits for lack of any of her own. A rudimentary perception about this campaign is that it's a 'change' campaign, and they have run on 'good ol' days'. They harp on her experience, telling people not to roll the dice on Obama, when she doesn't have any more experience than he does. People despise her sense of entitlement to the office, but the campaign doesn't address it. Simple incompetence.

She's fake and unlikeable and rather than fix this, they've spent a year cementing it.

[memyselfI]

Dude, weren't you one of the people who had basically used the inevitability of her candidacy as yet another way of attacking how horrible the DNC has become?

I'd like to know who he was talking about. I was rather surprised when she decided to run as I predicted she wouldn't because it was too soon and she was not electable.

I actually think much of the 'support' for her was drummed up by the media.

[NewPhin]

I think that if you go back a year or more, she could have been inevitable if she had run a good campaign. After all, this is what the Clintons do... how could they screw this up?

They have blown it, bigtime, by making her image worse.

She went into the Senate a carpetbagger - worked in NY where they are popular, but the rest of America saw her as even more fraudulent than before. She turtled up in debates and didn't give anything of substance. They won't let any but the most friendly media have access to her, they won't let anyone ask anything but pre-screened questions.

The 'two-for-one' bit isn't flying, either, because people see it as trying to mooch off her husband's perceived merits for lack of any of her own. A rudimentary perception about this campaign is that it's a 'change' campaign, and they have run on 'good ol' days'. They harp on her experience, telling people not to roll the dice on Obama, when she doesn't have any more experience than he does. People despise her sense of entitlement to the office, but the campaign doesn't address it. Simple incompetence.

She's fake and unlikeable and rather than fix this, they've spent a year cementing it.


I agree with all of this, except that she was ever inevitable as a candidate. I know what the polls said, but I just never talked to anyone that thought she was inevitable or even supported her. The only person I knew who felt that way was a guy I know who is a lobbyist (a Washington Insider). To me it seemed like the Beltway Insiders had chosen her as their candidate while forgetting that we actually do live in a democracy where the people choose the leaders.

[memyselfI]

She's fake and unlikeable and rather than fix this, they've spent a year cementing it.

I actually think the impression of her being DUHbya lite has hurt her with the Dems more than anything you've listed above. I know Dems who said if she were actually liberal and had stood up to DUHbya then they could have supported her even if they didn't really like her. But she had the bad fortune of being unlikeable AND a flunky for DUhbya.

[Cochise]

I agree with all of this, except that she was ever inevitable as a candidate. I know what the polls said, but I just never talked to anyone that thought she was inevitable or even supported her. The only person I knew who felt that way was a guy I know who is a lobbyist (a Washington Insider). To me it seemed like the Beltway Insiders had chosen her as their candidate while forgetting that we actually do live in a democracy where the people choose the leaders.

She did well with poor people, minorities, and a lot of fringe constituencies of the Democratic party. Obama was only doing well with intellectual liberals, I think, once upon a time. Maybe this is due to the circles you are associated with?

[dirk digler]

I don't think Obama would want Edwards. He can do better than that.

I was thinking he would pick Biden, or if he could find anyone from the south that might help.

Yep

Biden, Evan Bayh, or Mark Warner

[patteeu]

This is wishful thinking trying to create a self fulfilling prophecy, IMO.

No way she bows out this early. I think she will stay on board until the writing is on the wall which I don't think it is just yet.

I agree.

[Mr. Kotter]

Yep

Biden, Evan Bayh, or Mark Warner

Agree. That's the short list. Maybe Richardson too.

[dirk digler]

I was watching MSNBC at lunch and they had someone on that was seeing some polling that suggest that Hillary is going to place 3rd in NH.

If that happens I can't believe she would stay in.

[Infidel Goat]

I think Obama would be wise to go after William Cohen as his VP candidate.

Biden, Warner, Webb, and Nunn all make sense also.

Wesley Clark's endorsement of Hillary probably keeps him off the table.

I wonder how people would react if Obama won and named Edwards to the Supreme Court...

[Cochise]

I wonder how people would react if Obama won and named Edwards to the Supreme Court...

Can we get someone who's a judge at least? Not some retired ambulance chaser?

[jAZ]

Oh, I agree that could be; but I won't be shocked if she does drop-out sooner to try to save some face.

My amazement is mostly with all the talking heads who kept hyping her as the inevitable candidate....including some pretty reputable "experts" and even some otherwise lucid posters here at the Planet. :)
That's your "liberal" media bias. Oh wait.

It's actually the "good for cable news" media bias. And in some cases, the "conservative" media bias.

Or in some cases (Rupert Murdoch) it's the "both" media bias.

[Infidel Goat]

I was watching MSNBC at lunch and they had someone on that was seeing some polling that suggest that Hillary is going to place 3rd in NH.

If that happens I can't believe she would stay in.


I'm an Edwards supporter (Obama second choice, like virtually all Edwards supporters), but I haven't seen any polling to suggest that Clinton would slide that much. I'm guessing that it was Joe Trippi or someone like that saying it--just trying to create momentum for Edwards.

The latest Zogby in NH went like this:

Obama 39
Clinton 29
Edwards 19

Based upon the direction that the poll took this morning, I'd guess it'll be more like this tomorrow:

Obama 45
Clinton 25
Edwards 15

I thought Edwards had the best debate performance and hoped that he'd overtake Hillary again, but I don't think it's going to happen.

If Edwards drops out, it's pretty easy to see how Obama can start putting up 50%+ tallies in a lot of states.

[Infidel Goat]

Can we get someone who's a judge at least? Not some retired ambulance chaser?


Ha.

Yeah, that's what I expected.

I think he'd pass the Senate confirmation process fairly easily, though. It'd be a ballsy move by Obama--and not one that I think will happen.

[dirk digler]

I'm an Edwards supporter (Obama second choice, like virtually all Edwards supporters), but I haven't seen anything to suggest that. I'm guessing that it was Joe Trippi or someone like that saying it.

The latest Zogby in NH went like this:

Obama 39
Clinton 29
Edwards 19

Based upon the direction that the poll took this morning, I'd guess it'll be more like this tomorrow:

Obama 45
Clinton 25
Edwards 15

I thought Edwards had the best debate performance and hoped that he'd overtake Hillary again, but I don't think it's going to happen.

If Edwards drops out, it's pretty easy to see how Obama can start putting up 50%+ tallies in a lot of states.

The person was a pollster from the American Research Group

They are showing Clinton 28 Edwards 22 and supposedly Clinton is dropping hard

[memyselfI]

I think Obama would be wise to go after William Cohen as his VP candidate.

Biden, Warner, Webb, and Nunn all make sense also.

Wesley Clark's endorsement of Hillary probably keeps him off the table.

I wonder how people would react if Obama won and named Edwards to the Supreme Court...

I love, love, love William Cohen. I think it's a supersmart pick. He's intelligent and soooo very experienced in world matters. MOF, I wish he was running for POTUS. He's married to a black woman so that might be kind of a weird dynamic for some folks, IMO.

I still have a hard time believing a minority will get elected in the first place.

[Cochise]

Ha.

Yeah, that's what I expected.

I think he'd pass the Senate confirmation process fairly easily, though. It'd be a ballsy move by Obama--and not one that I think will happen.

Worse than Harriet Myers.

[Infidel Goat]

The person was a pollster from the American Research Group

They are showing Clinton 28 Edwards 22 and supposedly Clinton is dropping hard


Well, I hope it's true but I'm not counting on it...

[BucEyedPea]

How on earth could the polls have been this far off?
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm. :hmmm:

[BigRedChief]

Sure. Start folding your clothes at the first sign of trouble. What happens when Iran starts exporting radioactive pistachios? Pack the silver and move in with your mother?

FAX
Money, voters and staff are climbing off this bandwagon pretty damn quick.:hmmm:

[a1na2]

There is no way that the Wicked Witch of the East's ego will let her pull out.