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TEX
07-29-2001, 11:54 PM
Vermeil said that defensive tackle Dan Williams is on the physically unable to perform list because of continued discomfort in his surgically repaired foot. Vermeil said Williams could be taken off the list and returned to action later in the week.... .

...I'm sure to be put right back on that list...
I realize that $$$ has a lot to do with why he's still on the team, but there has to come a point when it just doesn't matter. Hurt again...What's new there? IMO, he's baggage and to count on him for a major contribution is just plain foolish. :mad:

AZChief
07-30-2001, 12:12 AM
I agree his contributions have been minimal for the past few seasons because of injury and greed. However, our D-line is very suspect and with our thin linebacker corp and rookie secondary we need him to contribute in a big way! I hope his foot mends and he has a great year. I admit this routine is getting old...

AZ

Saggysack
07-30-2001, 12:42 AM
D.Williams has to make a effort, injured or not. This is a continious cycle with Williams. I remember when Denver let him go, Broncos's said they were worried about his durability and his commitment to getting healthy...Looks like to me Dan Williams cycle will never end until released

kcred
07-30-2001, 06:55 AM
I don't like Williams, was proud CP let him sit for a year, then damn near choked when he gave in the next. But, I think we keep him if at all possible, for one reason only, salary cap. He will not go to training camp in 02. We have to make 5 players available for the Texans expansion draft. He is at the top of my list. Among others, Crockett, Patton, Bush, we will want highly paid older players, so the Texans cannot take cheap younger ones, and we are bound to get some relief in the cap. If the Texans do not take him, we cut him June 1, 02.

alanm
07-30-2001, 08:16 AM
I just don't understand why everyone is always so down on Patton? The guy is a consumate pro who brings his lunch pail to work everyday. And it's not like we pay him a huge salary and he still earns every penny. Whether or not he's with KC next year he is still one of the best FA pickups we've had in the last few years. Heck he's what only 34, 35 who thought Kimble Anders was too old?

Oxford
07-30-2001, 08:31 AM
Hey, if he gets healthy enough to play on 3rd down passing situations we ought to keep him, rather than wreck the cap. I think he can be on the PUP list for several games before going on IR. They will not cut him, they'll just IR him since we owe him the money anyway.

morphius
07-30-2001, 09:17 AM
Alan - My only guess on the Patton issue is that our run D was not that strong last year, of course my opinion is that it was because the idiot Kurt had our LB's continously dropping back in coverage instead of using instinct and attacking. In other words the guys were always on the back of their heels on the run. I don't expect to see that again this year.

Packfan
07-30-2001, 09:45 AM
I too supported Carl's decision to let him sit out a year. But to then cave in after the hold out and pay Williams top dollar was insane! Talk about a player that is just milking it! This is one of the many examples of Carl making a knee jerk reaction based on a bad year. Doesnt Peterson follow the rest of the NFL??? Look how productive other holdouts were after they sat out for a year. Eric Rhett and Sean Gilbert are two examples. Both have been mediocre since they took the year off. Its decisions like that (caving into Williams) that have helped keep the Chiefs mediocre. Hopefully Carl has learned his lesson.

Luzap
07-30-2001, 10:10 AM
Packfan thinks Carl made a mistake!

Putting past contract disputes aside for the moment, I have no real reason not to expect good things from Williams this year. I understyand that he played in trememdous pain last year ~ taking injections before each game so that he could play.

This problem stems from a botched surgery that was performed on his foot when he was a Donko. The sugery he had this off-season was to correct that ~ and from all reports, was apparently successful. The reports indicate that Williams being on the PUP list is precautionary and that he will be in full form soon.

Bottom Line
Only Williams and those close to him know if he's really 100%. DV made a special trip to Atlanta to talk with him and his wife before making decisions about whom to cut from the DL. If DV thinks he's worth keeping this year, I'm willing to give him a chance.

Luz
having faith in my coaches...

Packfan
07-30-2001, 10:13 AM
Luzap,

I will give you a "real reason" to expect poor performance from Williams. How about the fact that he has had only ONE good year in his entire career? If you believe in odds, then odds are Williams will have another mediocre/injury riddled/down taking off year.

Ken

~Leading Luzap to water, but realizing he probably wont drink it.

Luzap
07-30-2001, 11:10 AM
Packfan thinks Carl made a mistake!

Putting past contract disputes aside for the moment, I have no real reason not to expect good things from Williams this year. I understyand that he played in trememdous pain last year ~ taking injections before each game so that he could play.

This problem stems from a botched surgery that was performed on his foot when he was a Donko. The sugery he had this off-season was to correct that ~ and from all reports, was apparently successful. The reports indicate that Williams being on the PUP list is precautionary and that he will be in full form soon.

Bottom Line
Only Williams and those close to him know if he's really 100%. DV made a special trip to Atlanta to talk with him and his wife before making decisions about whom to cut from the DL. If DV thinks he's worth keeping this year, I'm willing to give him a chance.

Luz
having faith in my coaches...

Clint in Wichita
07-30-2001, 11:12 AM
KC couldn't cut Willams and Glock in the same offseason...the cap wouldn't allow it.

Since Williams has been head-and-shoulders above Glock, including last season, the choice was rather easy. DW will have this season to prove himself. Failure to do so will result in his release next summer IMO.

Chiefnj
07-30-2001, 09:46 PM
Although it is rare, when he is healthy Williams is a pretty good DT. Don't believe me, look at his numbers from last year, he isn't half as bad as people make him out to be. Sure he needs to stay healthy, but since we are paper thin at DT, even if he only plays 50% of the time it is worth it to keep him on the roster.

It seems to me like a lot of fans turn on the older players quickly. People rag on Patton, but he played at the same level as all of our other LB's last year who were lost under Kurt. I don't see people calling for Edwards' head, and he makes three times as much as Marvcus.

I originally thought it was a mistake, but it appears from the camp reports that Crockett is doing well and is a very good mentor for our young CB's and receivers.

Like Luzap, I'll give Vermeil and company every benefit of the doubt; they've earned it.

Bwana
07-30-2001, 10:10 PM
Hmmm? Williams needs to get his butt out there and earn his check. He reminds me of one of those state workers you see along side the road collecting a check for getting a tan and gazing off into no where land with that deer in the headlight look. You know what I mean? Five guys standing over man hole cover with that Homer Simpson look on their faces. Williams would fit in nicely in that crowd IMHO. The difference, he is getting paid millions to PLAY FOOTBALL, which he hasn't done a great deal of. It's time he sucks it up, drag his sorry can out on the field and earns your keep Danny Boy.

The only reason he is employed is the cap, no doubt about it. The first chance the organization gets, he is going down the road.

alanm: I agree with you regarding Patton. If every player gave 100% on every play like he does the Chiefs would be headed to the playoffs on a regular basis. That is not always the case, see Dan Williams.

TEX
07-31-2001, 12:13 AM
Clint,
I LIKE the way you think!:cool:

AustinChief
07-31-2001, 12:43 AM
I disagree on Dan Williams... I think he gives a good effort on the field... I just think that he likes to PLAY football and doesn't have any work ethic OFF the field. Players like him will always be more prone to injury and less likely to return quickly from the injuries...

I repect players like Patton because they work hard both on and OFF the field so that they can be ON THE FIELD 100% of the time.

My analysis...

Chester McCheesburger - no effort anytime
Dan Williams - effort ONLY on the field
Patton - effort ALL the time

just my $.02,
Kyle

TEX
07-31-2001, 12:47 AM
Ac,
I really never thought of it that way. Good point about Williams. Still, that "type" of player would NEVER play for me if I were the coach.;)

aturnis
07-31-2001, 01:14 AM
You say that he is crap now.......but what if the Packers pick him up? Will you be singing a different tune? I mean......you like the signing of Troy Drayton who was a good release for the Chiefs, but not a good pick-up for the Packers. I hope Greenbay does pick him up when we drop him just so I can see what you say then!:p :D

Saggysack
07-31-2001, 02:54 AM
I really couldn't care less about Williams, either this year or next he will not be a Chief.

What I want to know is what in the Sam's Hell is wrong with Terdell's foot?

keg in kc
07-31-2001, 03:51 AM
I have been wondering that as well, cooter.

I think Terdell may have had a problem with his foot prior to the draft, and if so, this could be something to worry about.

Of course, he's a very late 7th round pick and as much as we'd like him to be a stud, don't be surprised if he never pans out...

mcan
07-31-2001, 03:52 AM
Dan needs to stay around so he can be one of our five exposed to expansion. That's why we still have: Williams, Collins, Parker, Hall, and Bristor will probably go after this year as well. The Texans will likely take Hall or Collins and the others will be cut.

keg in kc
07-31-2001, 03:53 AM
I think you can add Rich Owens to that list too, mmccann. I remember reading something months ago (when we picked him up) that he was a favorite of the Texans staff, but I don't remember the details.

kcred
07-31-2001, 08:53 AM
My post was not meant as a slam against Patton, Crockett or Bush, just the fact we have to expose 5 players to the Texans, and those probably are some with the highest salaries, and I do believe this will play into it. It is my understanding the Texans pick up the pro rated portion of the cap. Adding Collins or Brister doesn't necessarily help us that much, and I would like to see one of them waived this year, and keep the kid from N. Iowa.

TEX
07-31-2001, 09:05 AM
That's just great. Williams playing for the TEXANS. He leaves KC and comes here. Actually, that would be kind of funny.All my friends know how much I hate this guy. I have TEXAN season tickets and if he were to come here, I'd have something to tell him every Sunday. :p

Well, at least then he would be AWAY from the Chiefs!