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falstaff
08-02-2001, 05:11 PM
The Chiefs appear to be in big trouble this year. Plagued by low morale following many losing seasons, the Chief's don't seem to be able to keep their own player's intrest.

The prime example is Tony Gonzales recently expressing his desire to play in the NBA. KC's best player not only wanting to leave the team - BUT THE SPORT!

The Chiefs lost Elvis, and Tony G is on the waiting list.......we must find a way to excite the Chiefs - morale is at an all time low!

Dave Lane
08-02-2001, 05:24 PM
<img src = "http://worldinter.net/~networks/troll.jpg">
<p>
<h1>Please don't feed the TROLL!"</h1>

falstaff
08-02-2001, 05:30 PM
<h1>Please don't feed the TROLL!"</h1> [/B][/QUOTE]

Troll???

Has Tony G not expressed an intrest in playing in the NBA?? This is a serious issue! I am not mocking, I am concerned!

falstaff
08-02-2001, 05:33 PM
In fact, Tony G was involved in NBA summer leagues this summer. Does this not concern anyone?

Multi1
08-02-2001, 05:37 PM
Have you not been reading the papers or the news lines on the internet?

The Chiefs are as up as a team gets. There is excitement in camp.

You obviously have too much time on your hands. Try engaging your brain before your typing fingers. This type of drivel needs to be forgotten before it gets to your hands.

falstaff
08-02-2001, 05:41 PM
Apperently, the Chiefs are not that 'UP'. Tony G is talking about switching sports, Elvis, the General, is gone....the Chiefs press office may be releasing positive statements, but I smell trouble a-brewin'.

htismaqe
08-02-2001, 05:44 PM
We talked about this...

<h1>THREE WEEKS AGO</h1>

Please go away...

Multi1
08-02-2001, 05:45 PM
Wipe your lip, that's where the smell is coming from.

Tony G. has commented that he is not going to try the NBA, he knows his limitations.

The Bad Guy
08-02-2001, 05:48 PM
Randy Moss is talking about possibly making the jump to the NBA to.

Does that mean he wants to leave Minnesota?

His new contract says he doesn't.

We will say the same about TG next year.

Go away loser.

Bwana
08-02-2001, 05:49 PM
Damn it's hot outside! 98 in Billings right now......

Anyone have a good chip dip recipe?? ;)

The Bad Guy
08-02-2001, 05:50 PM
FYI loser,

Tony has been involved in summer leagues every year he has been in the league.

Maybe if you researched your ''facts'' before you posted them you would know this.

Just like the rest of your garbage posts, this one has no merit either.

TexN
08-02-2001, 05:51 PM
Dallas is pretty upbeat too! I think we all know what kind of season they are going have.

falstaff
08-02-2001, 05:53 PM
You are missing the point!

Tony G will play - yes. He's in it for the money, just like the other Chiefs. However, his heart is somewhere else. That coupled with the depature of Elvis, etc... - looks like morale is sinking.

A team without heart cannot compete. - Vince Lombardi

gh4chiefs
08-02-2001, 05:56 PM
Guys,

He's just yanking your chains. Didn't you see what Kyle aka AustinChief said about him?


Parker, maybe it's time to do your thing!

falstaff
08-02-2001, 05:58 PM
Do your thing?

You guys can't even defend your team. Apperently the morale is slipping within the ranks of the fans as well......

Multi1
08-02-2001, 06:03 PM
BWANA,

Senior Chief's Cheese Dip

Two (or three) cans of Campbells Nacho Cheese Soup
Two (or three) cans of Campbells Chedder Cheese Soup
One pound spicy sausage
One 8-12 container of your favorite Salsa (spiced to your level of "hot")

Cook sausage, drain grease, then rinse with hot water to remove any exccess that wouldn't run off.

Mix all the Stuff in slow cooker, thin with milk if needed add additional cans of Nacho Cheese/Chedder Cheese soups.

Dip torilla chips. I can tell when it is good.....the old bald spot sweats!!

Tribal Warfare
08-02-2001, 06:08 PM
Congratulations falstaff you're the first person I ever put on myIGNORE LIST :)

Bob Dole
08-02-2001, 06:14 PM
Bob Dole thinks all that cheap beer has done something funny to falstaff's head.

BTW -- Bob Dole just loved you in Henry IV. (Well...at least up until the point where Prince Hal gave you that commission in the King's army and you started accepting bribes...)

falstaff
08-02-2001, 06:14 PM
Falstaff's Beer Fish-

Filet of Fish - white fish, cod, catfish, etc
One can beer (preferably Falstaff)
Juice of one lime
pepper, salt
a few shakes tabasco
pinch or two of dill

Maranade for one hour....Grill - MMMmmmmm....

Now about TonyG - seriously - you think Ol' Stone Hands is moving to the NBA??

keg in kc
08-02-2001, 06:17 PM
I like the appearance in Henry V best Bob, considering the current circumstances.

Bob Dole
08-02-2001, 06:20 PM
Tony G. has good hands. Bob Dole saw it on a commercial, so it has to be true.

falstaff
08-02-2001, 06:23 PM
I will admit, the second half of the season Tony G came alive...but the first half...whew! Hands of STONE! Was he actually BATTING down the balls?

Seriously, I hope he isn't focused on this NBA thing....He is the live blood of the Chiefs! If they dont rid themselves of the RBBC once and for all, then they are relying on a Tight End who is dreaming of hoops!

Bob Dole
08-02-2001, 06:26 PM
Bob Dole's favorite (though sans Falstaff, unless you count the Earl of Kent as the Falstaff character renamed) is King Lear. Bob Dole saw an excellent multicultural version in KC about 10 years ago.

Bob Dole's second favorite has to be The Tempest.

Mi_chief_fan
08-02-2001, 06:30 PM
I'm planning on going to the Stratford festival in Stratford, Ontario in September, where Kenneth Branaugh first started playing Hamlet(the finest of all Hamlet's, no disrespect to Mel Gibson).

After all, it is worth 2, count 'em, college credits.

falstaff
08-02-2001, 06:30 PM
Falstaff's favorite is the Shrew...untamed...just like Falstaff

California Injun
08-02-2001, 06:32 PM
Falstaff,

I think you are on to something here. TonyG use to play basketball while he was at Cal and he still plays during the summer.

Why if it weren't for this "other" sport taking up so much of his time, I think he would really flourish in the NBA. As a slow white guy that is too small to post up, and too slow to play small forward, he's losing all sorts of money slumming in the NFL.

Don't let the fact that he's not quick enough to play point and he has no jumper to play the shooting guard spot deter your keen insights on this BB.

TonyG can easily defend all the tall bruthas throwing down those incredible dunks in the NBA. In fact I heard Shaq telling reporters last week that he "feared the day when TonyG decides to play him straight up" in a NBA game.

Yesiree Falstaff, Chiefs fans across America are shaking in their collective boots at the prospect of TonyG leaving. This is the reason you have all these other members disrespecting your astute reasoning on this thread.

Don't let these other BB members deter you in your mission to exhibit your football acumen.

They're just envious......

Mi_chief_fan
08-02-2001, 06:35 PM
Branaugh

Hume Cronyn

Jason Robards

Jessica Tandy

Charleton Heston(I think)

I'll get a more complete list tomorrow.......

falstaff
08-02-2001, 06:35 PM
Again, you are all missing the point....TonyG may never play in the NBA..the point is, the focus and heart of the Chiefs Organization is drifting elsewhere!

Bob Dole
08-02-2001, 06:36 PM
Now that Bob Dole thinks about it, Kent supplies a pretty good response to our beloved Falstaff in King Lear.

Let's pretend our Falstaff is Oswald, and that he's just asked, "What dost thou know me for?"

<i>A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mongrel b1tch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.</i>

The Bad Guy
08-02-2001, 06:36 PM
Moron speaks again without knowing what he is talking about:

I will admit, the second half of the season Tony G came alive...but the first half...whew! Hands of STONE! Was he actually BATTING down the balls?


Opponent Result GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Att Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec Yds TD
Colts L 14-27 Yes 2 34 17.0 26 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
@Titans L 14-17 Yes 2 16 8.0 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Chargers W 42-10 Yes 4 43 10.8 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
@Broncos W 23-22 Yes 10 127 12.7 17 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Seahawks W 24-17 Yes 3 34 11.3 15 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Raiders L 17-20 Yes 7 100 14.3 22 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Rams W 54-34 Yes 5 117 23.4 39 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
@Seahawks W 24-19 Yes 8 101 12.6 22 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

In the first half of 2000, "Stone Hands" Managed 41 catches for 572 yards with 4 tds.

Again this proves how much of a moron you really are.

Keep digging for trash, loser.

California Injun
08-02-2001, 06:40 PM
So how is the "heart" of Minnesota?

Do the fans feel more for Moss' 9 year contract or the Stringer death?

The heart of the Chiefs died two years ago...

Dave Lane
08-02-2001, 06:41 PM
Hey Falstaff,

Have you ever tried fried Okra?? I hear it goes great with Falstaff beer if you use some jalapenos. What do you think?? I think I'm headed to DQ you what me to pickup anything for you? What's your favorite DQ??

falstaff
08-02-2001, 06:49 PM
Good point, Injun. The Viks may have heart problems too.

The Ravens won the show based on heart.

The Chiefs need heart

California Injun
08-02-2001, 06:54 PM
Concur.

You need a heart in order to "show love".

Since the Chiefs have not heart, the "Chiefs have no love."

Logical
08-02-2001, 07:10 PM
Added to my ignore list for now, if he improves his behavior someone let me know. Otherwise he joins Packfan!

Bwana
08-02-2001, 08:32 PM
Tom: Thanks for the tasty tip on the dip.

Jalapeno Cheese balls anyone?

aturnis
08-02-2001, 10:07 PM
http://www.maddogschiefs.com/images/graphics/kcchiefs01.gif
http://www.ismokecrack.com/vecchio/tdtastic.gif


SEE!!! KANSAS CITY DOES HAVE LOVE!

(Sorry for using the handicap community in this manner.......but I was on ismokecrack.com (http://www.ismokecrack.com/vecchio/) and saw the word LOVE and it just had to be put in here.)

mcan
08-03-2001, 02:27 AM
Aturnis,
Oh my god, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen on this board.

Sorry to laugh at the handicaped community like this, but guys come on... :D

BTW Kenneth does a great Hamlet, but Kevin Kline's is better. You may have to go to an obscure video store to find it though. I think Video Library in Lenexa on 87th has it, but I'd call first. And Gibson's Hamlet sucked big monkey balls. I can see why much of the play was cut for film purposes, but ADDING TO SHAKESPEARE?!!!!!! The opening of the movie shows his father's funeral. This is a disgrace, and does a major dis-service to audience members whom fail to actually read this masterpiece.

aturnis
08-03-2001, 02:33 AM
Hey, I'm only 18 and have been meaning to read Hamlet, I was just wondering........is the reading too hard for a teen such as myself? Actually am interest, it'd give me something to do rather than sit on here all night all alone when I can't sleep.

mcan
08-03-2001, 02:39 AM
I'm 21 and was turned on to Shakespere in the 9th grade when Baz Lahrman's Romeo and Juliet came out. If you haven't seen it, your really missing out. Dispite being kinda MTVish, it really is a great film/concept. No, your not too young to read Hamlet. It is a little long though. Do you understand the hightened language of Bob Dole's post?

Mark M
08-03-2001, 07:09 AM
Definitely read Hamlet!!! Read it once at your age, again at my age (30) and then again at say 40. Kinda like Catcher in the Rye ... you have a different look at it each time you read it. Of course, I've only read part of Catcher but I've been meaning to get back to it.

And Branaugh (sp?) does the best freaking Hamlet I've ever seen. Kline's is impressive, no doubt, but nothing like what Branaugh did. I respect Gibson's attempt, and actually see it as great for a younger audience since it's a bit easier to understand what they are saying (simplified text). Personally though, I just thought it was okay.

I suggest getting the Riverside Shakespeare. It contains the complete works, along with notes and commentary. Excellent book.

MM
~~Has read lots and lots of the bard.

Packfan
08-03-2001, 05:21 PM
falstaff,

I think morale is high this year. A new coaching staff, more team friendly QB, and less a couple of malcontents (Hasty/Chester). I have to disagree with you.

Gonzalez, like Moss, should stop dreaming of the NBA. They are "tweeners". Great athletes and basketball players, but not tall enough to play a forward spot, and to slow to play guard.

I will say this about Gonzalez. Its a damn good there is such a thing as the "franchise tag". Because a player like Gonzalez is going to eventually get disgusted enough to want to play somewhere else. When a franchise doesnt make the playoffs and doesnt have a sense of direction, the good players take a look at their options. Grbac did that last year. He wants to win. Thats the main reason he left. You can only take mediocrity so long. By the middle of Tony Gonzalez' next contract, he could have potentially played for four different coaches (Marty, Gunter, Vermeil, and Vermeils replacement) and four different QBs (Gannon, Grbac, Green and Green's replacement). Green is 30 and this is his third team and Vermeil is 64 and has been burned out before. Chances are that this inst Green's last stop and how many 70 year old head coaches are in the NFL? (I let Luzap and Titus take on that brain teezer!)

What hall of fame caliber player wants that kind of change during his career? You need stability in sports. The Chiefs havent had any for a long time. Thats another reason why they have been mediocre for such a long time.

Mi_chief_fan
08-03-2001, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Packfan
how many 70 year old head coaches are in the NFL? (I let Luzap and Titus take on that brain teezer!)



0, dumba$$.

falstaff
08-03-2001, 07:41 PM
Packfan -

You seem to be the only sane voice on this BBS. Everyone else is blinded by their loyality. Something has to happen before the Chiefs after years and years of losing, decide to relocate. There are many cities that hunger for a NFL team and can give the Chiefs the kind of support they need to become a winning franchise.

The Bad Guy
08-03-2001, 07:56 PM
What hall of fame caliber player wants that kind of change during his career? You need stability in sports. The Chiefs havent had any for a long time. Thats another reason why they have been mediocre for such a long time.

Let me remind you Whackfan that your Packers have been mired in mediocrity one less season than the Chiefs.

KC started their downword tumble in 1998, the Pack did it in 1999.

You speak of stability, but at the age of 30, Brett Favre had played under 4 NFL coaches. Rich Brooks, Mike Holmgren, Ray Rhodes and Mike Sherman. Hell, Favre played under 3 different coaches in 3 years.

Every post you make on this board are filled with double-standards.

And don't feed me all this Super Bowl garbage. You won the championship back in 96. The only thing I care about is what goes on with the Chiefs right now.

If the Chiefs have all these question marks, where does that leave your beloved Packers?

falstaff
08-04-2001, 12:07 AM
I must come to the support of Packfan here.

While the Packers may have experienced a few slow years, the team has definate direction and appears to be rebuilding.

However, the Chiefs seem to be losing their stars (Grbac, etc.) Additionally, with such a long dry spell, the Chiefs seem to be losing fan support as well. The Packer have never lost fan support.

The Chiefs need new directions and above all, a plan for the future. For now, it seems the Chiefs are subscribing to the 'a blind pig finds an acorn' philoshphy. However, how long can franchise players like Tony G hold out? Not long is my guess.

keg in kc
08-04-2001, 12:34 AM
Falstaff, although I know you aren't here to talk about football and are only showing-up to push buttons, I'm gonna respond to all that anyway because, frankly, I'm bored.


While the Packers may have experienced a few slow years, the team has definate direction and appears to be rebuilding.

A few slow years?

After winning the '66 and '67 Super Bowls, the Packers had 2 playoff appearances in 25 years (1972 and 1982) with a combined playoff record of 1-2. That's almost a mirror image of what Kansas City faced following its Super Bowl victory, so it's kind of difficult to use Green Bay as a positive example. Now, Green Bay had a successful mid-90's period, as did KC, but they were able to win one Super Bowl in two tries, which I congratulate them for. They haven't won a playoff game since 1997, however. As for the "definite direction" and appearance of rebuilding, I will question that openly. They're on their third head coach if four years and have just lost to retirement the man that basically rebuilt the franchise in the '90s. If anyone is foundering, it's Green Bay, and I think you'll see another mediocre season from them, especially when you consider the strength of the division they play in, which IMHO rivals the strength of the AFC west.

However, the Chiefs seem to be losing their stars (Grbac, etc.)

I dispute that. I believe the problem is that we haven't had any real stars. Derrick Thomas may have been one, and, well, his loss was unfortunate and, ultimately unavoidable. To call Elvis Grbac a "star" is ludicrous.


Additionally, with such a long dry spell, the Chiefs seem to be losing fan support as well. The Packer have never lost fan support

Perhaps. Perhaps not. It's hard to judge the level of fan support during training camp. I sense a lot of interest in the team, but I can't discount the fact that I'm posting on a Chiefs website with some fanatical Chiefs followers...]

I can't speak on the Packers because I simply don't know the level of their fan support, and I don't tend to speak about things of which I'm ignorant.


The Chiefs need new directions and above all, a plan for the future. For now, it seems the Chiefs are subscribing to the 'a blind pig finds an acorn' philoshphy. However, how long can franchise players like Tony G hold out? Not long is my guess.

Uhm. I take it that you're not paying any attention to anything that's going on in Kansas City right now. You know, the new coaching staff with the new philosophy leading the new players in a new direction? As for Tony Gonzalez, we'll see. I don't know the man personally, but he seems to be pretty content right now. We'll see. I'm not particularly worried.

California Injun
08-04-2001, 12:41 AM
falstaff,

Once again I seem to agree with you. I've noticed a lack of fans of this site and it must be because the support is just not there.

The Chiefs are so bad that not only does the proverbial blind squirrel find a nut, but even a "pig" is able to forage.

It is incredible how much we both agree on the Chiefs. Have we met before?

I look forward to your next post.....

The Bad Guy
08-04-2001, 01:36 AM
Keg,

All these trolls who post on this board now refer to Grbac as a star because he is no longer a member of the Chiefs.

When he was here, outsiders like Packfan and others slammed him and said he was never good enough.

Well now that he's off the Chiefs, he's a bonafide star.

These guys love to take the other side of the argument just to be annoying and play devils advocate.

keg in kc
08-04-2001, 01:43 AM
I know Frank. I was bored, like I said, so I thought I'd post a thoughtful, respectful reply despite the poster...

California Injun
08-04-2001, 01:52 AM
Scoop,

Is that Janet Jackson on your signature pic?

Damn!!!!!!!!!:eek:

The Bad Guy
08-04-2001, 01:54 AM
Cal,

I hope your refering to my avatar, and not my tribute to Jimmie Walker from Good Times.

But, no, that isn't Janet Jackson on my avatar, nor is it on my signature.

KCGannonStalker
08-04-2001, 06:59 AM
Morale has been slipping since Carl Peterson released starting Pro Bowl quarterback Rich Gannon, Falstaff. You don't need to come on here pretending you invented the wheel, because I already did!

It's only a matter of time before Pro Bowl TE Tony Hernandez joins Rich Gannon in Oakland. Did you see the love between thsoe two when they hooked up for the touchdown in the Pro Bowl? You can bet your next paycheck from McDonalds that Rich Gannon has been talking with Tony this offseason, mentoring him and offering his veteran leadership! Brent Green won't be able to offer Tony those things in Kansas City, and if Brent Green goes down with another injury, Tom Collins and Bobby Brister sure can't offer him anything.

Unfortunately, Kansas City just doesn't have the team spirit that Rich Gannon took with him to Oakland, and those dreadful Raiders will continue to take away our stars.

We ought to hook up offline and have a couple of bears and play a couple of sets of Troll Tennis some time.

Packfan
08-04-2001, 11:38 AM
NFL Scoop,

I never said Grbac is a "star quarterback". I feel the same way today as I did the last few years regarding Grbac. He is an average QB that had numbers last year. He has since been replaced by the same caliber player, only this player (Green) cost the Chiefs the 12th pick in the draft. I am glad Grbac is gone. He is a loser. But I really dont think the Chiefs upgraded the position with Green (8-11 as a starter). At least Elvis has won more than he has lost as a starter.

Also, you said in one of your posts here that "the only thing I care about is what is going on with the Chiefs right now.." OK. So why are you bringing up the Packers/Chiefs of the mid 90's??

If you want to talk about today's Chiefs, then lets talk about them.

For the record, what the Chiefs did in the 90's (3 playoff wins) doesnt come close in any way, shape or form to what the Packers did (8 playoff games, 2 SB appearances, 3 NFC championship games and one Lombardi trophy).

Agreed?


Falstaff,

Everything I read on the Chiefs talks about an upbeat, positive attitude. Now I doubt that will translate to more wins as the talent level is still mediocre. However, morale seems to be good and the players have a positive attitude.

Mi_chief_fan
08-04-2001, 01:41 PM
That may have been the most hilarious post i've ever read. Keep it coming!

AustinChief
08-04-2001, 03:00 PM
To the persons who have had posts deleted,

As you know, I refrain from moderating as much as possible... but there was a developing conflict that I thought would serve no purpose. So, I deleted a few threads (from BOTH sides) that I considered "borderline." If anyone has a problem with this... I understand entirely... I CAN'T STAND censorship... but I think with preseason coming up... we have better things to fight about! ;)

--Kyle

falstaff
08-04-2001, 03:03 PM
Well, let burn the books as well.

Austin Chief...please post a list of 'Banned Topics' so no one will offended you.

1st Amendment on Chiefsplanet.com?? Not if Kyle can help it!

P.S.

I'm really upset because I'm inadequate as a man... and I feel a need to lash out at my betters....

Fat Elvis
08-04-2001, 03:04 PM
Austinchief-
No prob that my thread was deleted. It should of been. It shouldn't of been posted in the first place. Sorry.

AustinChief
08-04-2001, 03:08 PM
Falstaff,

If you'll notice the responses... I think everyone is ok with it...

and....
I'm really upset because I'm inadequate as a man... and I feel a need to lash out at my betters....

...it's nice to see you being so upfront about your true problems...


--Kyle

Fat Elvis
08-04-2001, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by falstaff
Well, let burn the books as well.

Austin Chief...please post a list of 'Banned Topics' so no one will offended you.

1st Amendment on Chiefsplanet.com?? Not if Kyle can help it!

P.S.

I'm really upset because I'm inadequate as a man... and I feel a need to lash out at my betters....

You obviously don't know the first thing about the 1st amendment. Initially, this board is private property, the owners of this board have the right to regulate it any way they wish. Secondly, lets assume that this board isn't private property but is instead a community. The Supreme Court has ruled that individual communities have the right to decide for themselves what is decent and what is not. The nice thing about this community is that people tend to police themselves. I admit that in my anger I was out of line. I was called on it, and I chose to follow the advice of a cooler head. I deleted my own topic because I like the way this board is run, and what I had posted was contrary to that spirit. Austinchief deleted one of my thread on this topic before I has a chance to, I have no problem with that.