***Official who can suck Reagan's dick the hardest debate thread***

['Hamas' Jenkins]

ROFL...

Seriously, this is just pathetic.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

They've got to be averaging at least 2 Reagan references per minute :shake:

['Hamas' Jenkins]

McCain just made an ass out himself with that "laying in the weeds" shit.

JFC, he's stumbling around like Tom Cash.

[clemensol]

Wow, McCain just got caught completely misquoting Romney. That was terrible

[dirk digler]

McCain sounds so rehearsed plus his answers to the economy are pathetic at best

['Hamas' Jenkins]

McCain sounds so rehearsed plus his answers to the economy are pathetic at best

Honestly, McCain's "quote" of Romney and laying in the weeds was one the most embarrassing things I've ever seen in such a forum. Now he's taking potshots at him for firing people when he was running companies??

Yikes, he's really making a fool of himself.

[clemensol]

Amazing that McCain, with a safe lead, would go on the offensive and make an ass of himself.

[RJ]

McCain and Romney were staring at Paul like he was the crazy brother in law who came to visit for the holidays.

[dirk digler]

McCain looked like an ass I hope someone beats him but it appears the republican party is as stupid as the dems

[patteeu]

I didn't see the debate.

I was listening to Rusty Humphreys radio talk show and he made, what I think is probably an accurate comment about some of the dynamics of the debate. First of all, Humphreys, like many other conservative radio hosts, favors Romney over McCain. Anyway, he said that McCain made several blatantly false accusations about Romney during the debate and that Romney methodically set the facts straight in most of those cases. He played a couple of the exchanges and then explained why it worked against Romney. When McCain makes the false accusation, it's a quick hit and makes an emotional impact. When Romney corrects the record, it's long and boring and, unless you are a political wonk like we are, you probably lose interest pretty quickly and start getting impatient for the next Huckabee one-liner. I think he's probably right about that. Romney just doesn't have the charisma of Huckabee and he isn't as willing to turn the truth on it's head in a personal way as McCain.

Does anyone who saw the debate see this differently?

[dirk digler]

I didn't see the debate.

I was listening to Rusty Humphreys radio talk show and he made, what I think is probably an accurate comment about some of the dynamics of the debate. First of all, Humphreys, like many other conservative radio hosts, favors Romney over McCain. Anyway, he said that McCain made several blatantly false accusations about Romney during the debate and that Romney methodically set the facts straight in most of those cases. He played a couple of the exchanges and then explained why it worked against Romney. When McCain makes the false accusation, it's a quick hit and makes an emotional impact. When Romney corrects the record, it's long and boring and, unless you are a political wonk like we are, you probably lose interest pretty quickly and start getting impatient for the next Huckabee one-liner. I think he's probably right about that. Romney just doesn't have the charisma of Huckabee and he isn't as willing to turn the truth on it's head in a personal way as McCain.

Does anyone who saw the debate see this differently?

Somewhat. I think McCain came across as smug and if Romney was smart he would throw McCain's change of position on immigration and the Bush tax cuts back into his face.

It appeared to me Romney was trying to be nice tonight.

[HolmeZz]

McCain and Romney both looked pretty awful. It made Huckabee and Paul look pretty good.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

McCain and Romney both looked pretty awful. It made Huckabee and Paul look pretty good.


Huckabee and Paul had a combined total of about 48 seconds on the air.

Paul was actually trying to discuss policy and they all looked at him like he was batshit crazy.

[Dr.Fine]

McCain and Romney both looked pretty awful. It made Huckabee and Paul look pretty good.

waay too much feigned smirkage.

[sportsman1]

This debate truly enraged me over all the others and I believe the Republican party has finally stuck a knife in itself.

1) Mike Huckabee is the right man to lead this country rather you completly agree with his policy or not. The man has virtue, intelligence and integrity. Huckabee will make decesions in the best interest of Americans and will do what it takes to lessen the division we currently face in this country. While he has very strong convictions he also knows how to listen to others and ultimately accomplish the job at hand: Furthering and Maintaining this country's greatness.
2) Why is this a Romney and Mccain Race? Will people not wake up and realize how phony they are? We dont need any more phonyness in Washington. We need someone willing to work and get things done at the end of the day. If more people actually sat and listened to what those Ass clowns said they would realize how inexcusable it is that these people are the Media darlings and the only ones allowed to compete.
3) Ron Paul nailed them over the fact that theyr'e bickering over stuff that they supposedly agree on. In essence Paul even knows their degrees of phonyness. Although I dislike Pauls foreign policy I have more respect for him then I do Mccain and Romney b/c atleast he isnt phony and has the balls to stand for something that is bold.

[banyon]

The most striking thing about the debate to me was the visual I got from the seating arrangement. I don't know if it was just me, but putting Huckabee on the far left and Paul next to him was essentially like walling him off and drawing a line between the "real candidates" and the fake ones and saying it was Romney's and McCain's show.

I know they wanted to be able to frame McCain and Romney in the same camera shot when they went back and forth, but if instead they had put Paul on the left it might've looked like Huckabee belonged more.

[sportsman1]

I agree. I seen that right off that bat. That was quite a job they did on setting up that one. They were able to essentially isolate the Huckmeister and make him not count.

[Mr. Kotter]

You honestly think tomorrow's Democratic debate in LA/Hollywood will be any better? :spock:

Hell, Hillary would probably munch Ellen DeGeneres carpet on camera....if she thought it would help her prospects. If we could get stand-ins from the "casting couch" for them, I might even watch it then....:hmmm:

[Mr. Kotter]

This debate truly enraged me over all the others and I believe the Republican party has finally stuck a knife in itself.

1) Mike Huckabee is the right man to lead this country rather you completly agree with his policy or not. The man has virtue, intelligence and integrity. Huckabee will make decesions in the best interest of Americans and will do what it takes to lessen the division we currently face in this country. While he has very strong convictions he also knows how to listen to others and ultimately accomplish the job at hand: Furthering and Maintaining this country's greatness.
2) Why is this a Romney and Mccain Race? Will people not wake up and realize how phony they are? We dont need any more phonyness in Washington. We need someone willing to work and get things done at the end of the day. If more people actually sat and listened to what those Ass clowns said they would realize how inexcusable it is that these people are the Media darlings and the only ones allowed to compete.
3) Ron Paul nailed them over the fact that theyr'e bickering over stuff that they supposedly agree on. In essence Paul even knows their degrees of phonyness. Although I dislike Pauls foreign policy I have more respect for him then I do Mccain and Romney b/c atleast he isnt phony and has the balls to stand for something that is bold.

Huckabee is cool.

BTW, did you know Chuck Norris's tears can cure cancer? It's a damn shame he never cries though, ain't it???

;)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You honestly think tomorrow's Democratic debate in LA/Hollywood will be any better? :spock:

Hell, Hillary would probably munch Ellen DeGeneres carpet on camera....if she thought it would help her prospects. If we could get stand-ins from the "casting couch" for them, I might even watch it then....:hmmm:

To me, the canonizing of Reagan was more than a little over the top.

"I was a leader...er, umm foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution."
"Well my daddy knew Ronald Reagan"
"Oh yeah, well I helped decorate the inside of Air Force One FOR Reagan. I adorned it with the skulls of various Gods he had smited by simply waving his pinkie at them while taking a shit...so :p"

[ChiefaRoo]

To me, the canonizing of Reagan was more than a little over the top.

"I was a leader...er, umm foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution."
"Well my daddy knew Ronald Reagan"
"Oh yeah, well I helped decorate the inside of Air Force One FOR Reagan. I adorned it with the skulls of various Gods he had smited by simply waving his pinkie at them while taking a shit...so :p"

WTF are you babbling about?

[J-Town Fan 1988]

I agree. I seen that right off that bat. That was quite a job they did on setting up that one. They were able to essentially isolate the Huckmeister and make him not count.

They did that in the MSNBC debate last week, too.

[Chiefmanwillcatch]

I want Ron Paul to knock the shit out of Mccain.

Anyone agree?

[jettio]

McCain was asked why he was a leader for the economy and he gave a rambling senile answer that did not have anything to do with the economy.

After McCain's non-answer, Romney should have given his time for rebuttal back to McCain after pointing out that McCain did not answer the question asked.

Romney may have been counting on the "senior moment" to speak for itself, but I do not see much mention of it afterwards.

[Baby Lee]

This debate truly enraged me over all the others and I believe the Republican party has finally stuck a knife in itself.

1) Mike Huckabee is the right man to lead this country rather you completly agree with his policy or not. The man has virtue, intelligence and integrity. Huckabee will make decesions in the best interest of Americans and will do what it takes to lessen the division we currently face in this country. While he has very strong convictions he also knows how to listen to others and ultimately accomplish the job at hand: Furthering and Maintaining this country's greatness.
2) Why is this a Romney and Mccain Race? Will people not wake up and realize how phony they are? We dont need any more phonyness in Washington. We need someone willing to work and get things done at the end of the day. If more people actually sat and listened to what those Ass clowns said they would realize how inexcusable it is that these people are the Media darlings and the only ones allowed to compete.
3) Ron Paul nailed them over the fact that theyr'e bickering over stuff that they supposedly agree on. In essence Paul even knows their degrees of phonyness. Although I dislike Pauls foreign policy I have more respect for him then I do Mccain and Romney b/c atleast he isnt phony and has the balls to stand for something that is bold.
OMG, who'dathunkit? Holden Caulfield grew up to be a conservative. ;)

On Huckabee, I give him the personability. But how can a guy who wants to change the Constitution to conform to Christianity lessen divisions?

[Ugly Duck]

In the beginning Reagan created the heaven and the earth

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

And the Spirit of Reagan moved upon the face of the waters.

And Reagan said, Let there be light; and there was light.

[NewPhin]

This debate was the most I've seen RP speak in a debate forum. I feel kind of bad for him and his supporters. He has excellent points, and he presents them in an intelligent, thoughtful fashion. Unfortunately, he's way too far out of the box. On every question, it's like he's speaking a different language than the other candidates. He started talking about the gold standard, and you could almost see the other candidates laughing to themselves. Not in the fact that they disagree with him, but in RP's assumption that his audience would know what the hell he's talking about.

[NewPhin]

And yes, the Reagan canonization cracks me up. I guess it's just the 80s punk rocker, anarchist in me, but I can't get over my knee jerk negative reaction to Reagan, no doubt brainwashed into me by listening to the Dead Kennedys and thumbing through Word War 3 (http://www.worldwar3illustrated.org/back.html) comics too much.

I am Emperor Ronald Reagan
Born again with fascist cravings
Still, you made me president

Human rights will soon go 'way
I am now your Shah today
Now I command all of you
Now you're going to pray in school
I'll make sure they're Christian too

[dirk digler]

You honestly think tomorrow's Democratic debate in LA/Hollywood will be any better? :spock:

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Yes. I think tonight there will be alot of fighting\drama unless Obama decides to take the high road and not go after Billary.

[Mr. Kotter]

And yes, the Reagan canonization cracks me up. I guess it's just the 80s punk rocker, anarchist in me, but I can't get over my knee jerk negative reaction to Reagan, no doubt brainwashed into me by listening to the Dead Kennedys and thumbing through Word War 3 (http://www.worldwar3illustrated.org/back.html) comics too much.

You know what, I know exactly how you feel. My knee-jerk reaction is to the friggin' Clintons....

Wasting 13 months of my life working the state for Clinton in 1991-1992 because I was inspired by his idealism and rhetoric, only to have the critics who'd warned us about him....proven correct over time, has become the most disillusioning experience of my life. The sense of betrayal and anger over his dishonesty, manipulations, lack of integrity, and political demagoguery that the Clintons deal in....has turned me into a real skeptic and cynic.

The experience also makes me much more weary of becoming too enamored, too quickly over guys like Romney/Huckabee/Obama....even if I were to be sold on their ideas, or platforms. Charisma and inspirational ability if fine, but substance (not ideology, but substance) is more important. Apparently though, not too many people (at least the ones who really understand how the system works) seem to care about substance. Guess that's why guys like Thompson and Biden appealed to me...and why the mere "possibility" that Hillary could win pisses me off.

WTF is wrong with us??? :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

[Mr. Kotter]

Yes. I think tonight there will be alot of fighting\drama unless Obama decides to take the high road and not go after Billary.

If Obama takes the high road tonigh....without going after her at all, he is toast. And he might as well hand the nomination to her. He has to put her on the defensive....at the very least. He should go for the jugular, but of course all the whiney-weepy-sentimental politically correct types will use that as fuel for the.....quit-picking-on-poor-poor-Hillary campaign that they hope to save until the general election.

[dirk digler]

If Obama takes the high road tonigh....without going after her at all, he is toast. And he might as well hand the nomination to her. He has to put her on the defensive....at the very least. He should go for the jugular, but of course all the whiney-weepy-sentimental politically correct types will use that as fuel for the.....quit-picking-on-poor-poor-Hillary campaign that they hope to save until the general election.

I honestly think that Billary is going to come after Obama tonight so he better be prepared to hit back and hit back hard.

[penchief]

ROFL...

Seriously, this is just pathetic.

Ec-****ing-zactly. I'm so tired of hearing about how great Reagan was for America because, ultimately Reagan was a jackass (he started this whole corporate takeover of the people's country thingy). He was a figurehead in the first degree. He was so shallow that the neo-neocons were able to keep propping him up even while he didn't know his own ass from a hole in the ground.

You are correct. It is very pathetic that so many people have been sold on a bill of goods that has done nothing but lead to this country's current predicament. The Reagan label may be fashionable within republican circles but it is not the direction this country is hurting for, that is for sure.