View Full Version : WTF is Marty doing?!?!

keg in kc
08-06-2001, 01:36 AM
Redskins | Third Down Plans - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)

22:26 PT: The Washington Times reports the Washington Redskins are looking at RBs Ki-Jana Carter, Michael Bates and undrafted rookie Kenny Watson as the leading candidates to be the third-down back. Coach Marty Schottenheimer does not plan on using starting RB Stephen Davis in that role, but Davis may participate on some third downs. Speaking of Davis (sore knee), he was back at practice earlier today. Schottenheimer is keeping an eye on his workload though throughout training camp.

Okay, Marty's *finally* got a legitmate stud running back, a guy who in the last two years has carried the ball 622 times for 2723 yards (4.4 ypc), caught 56 passes for 424 yards (7.6 ypc) and scored 28 touchdowns. Over his career, Davis has averaged 4.3 yards per carry and 8.6 yards per catch, but Marty's going to use Ki-Jana Carter, Michael Bates or an UDFA rookie on third down?!?!? "Davis *may* participate on some third downs"?!?!?


It boggles the mind.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-06-2001, 01:40 AM
I posted this some time ago.

I'm not surprised. Hear this...

I think Marty will fail in Washington. Unlike DV, Marty is unwilling to change with the times. This will bite him.


thanking God Marty is no longer HC of the Chiefs

Chiefs Pantalones
08-06-2001, 01:47 AM
When I said "posted this some time ago", sorry, I meant I posted my thoughts before about Marty, not the kffl thing.


sorry Kyle.

08-06-2001, 02:21 AM
Marty is just doing what Marty has always done. Let's get 1 thing straight before I go any deeper into this, I am not in any way a Marty or a RBbC fodder.

Stephan Davis(coverted FB) over the past 2 seasons has shown a great amount of talent of being able to run the ball, but he has also shown his propensity to wear down and injure himself also, for instance during his great 1999 season he suffered a few muscle pulls, last year he was also hit with the injury but by breaking his hand as well as more muscle pulls/strains/etc. So by limiting some of his regular duties Marty is also thinking he could have that legitimate RB for a down the stretch run.

Micheal Bates more than likely will be used solely as a return man.

Everyone can laugh all they want about picking up Ki-Jana Carter. Personally I like the move, I wish the best for a guy that has been plagued by an extreme case of the bad luck bug. I find it amazing that the guy has the heart to stay in it this long after suffering so many injuries, 99% of us would have quit by now but Ki-Jana Carter must have the heart the size of 10 men to keep coming back for more every year with the hand he has been dealt....Keep on Key, good things come to those that wait

keg in kc
08-06-2001, 02:49 AM
I thought about it that way as well inititally, Cooter, but I believe this could also be the first step towards RBbC (the kind we saw in KC, ugly RBbC as I like to call it) in Washington. Fans in DC have had some great runners in their history, and believe me when I say they won't put up with the kind of crap folks saw here in KC. The first time Davis disappears for a couple of series or a quarter following a successful run, people will start to ask questions. When Donnell Bennett starts getting goalline carries for -1 yards, a quiet resistance movement will begin, and when 4 or 5 different backs get carries every game, but no single back, including Davis, gets more than 10 there will be an open revolt. KC fans and media are like teddy bears compared to their DC counterparts and Marty won't get the same sort of doe-eyed pseudo-worship he got over the years here (Norv probably needed an armed escort out of town...).

Hey, to be honest with you, I'm glad to see Marty doing something like this, and I hope he never plays Stephen Davis on third down because, honestly, I want him to fail. I really do. And it's not because I don't like Marty, it's because I've despised the Redskins for as long as I can remember.

The last thing I'll say is this: the best backs get the ball on every down. The Eddie Georges, Marshall Faulks and Edgerrin Jameses of the world don't sit on third down. There's no "third down back" waiting in the wings for those guys. They're the best players on their squads, and they're used. Injury risk? There's an injury risk on every down. If you're worried about a guy wearing down over the course of a year then don't kill him in TC and in the preseason, it's that easy...

08-06-2001, 04:05 AM
S.Davis as a matter of a fact was also injured last preseason and missed a considerable amount of preseason game time and TC practice time, didn't help him in the season. Both in the 1999 and 2000 seasons S.Davis was on pace to carry over 400 times before being hampered by injuries, I agree everyplay is an injury risk but that does not deem worthy of over using a player IMO.

keg in kc
08-06-2001, 04:42 AM
Using Stephen Davis for 90% of the running back touches during the season would not be overusing him IMHO. You can't afford to gameplan with fear of a player getting injured. That doesn't mean overusing him, there's a measure of common sense involved there, but if Stephen Davis is your best weapon at RB, then he needs to be on the field. Period. If Washington comes out with "personnel packages" like we became accustomed and Davis ends up sitting on the bench for even 50% of the 3rd downs, that staff (I won't blame it all on Marty, Raye is the OC...) will be wasting a talented player.

08-06-2001, 08:39 AM
Smoke and Mirrors, Smoke and Mirrors...

Donnell Bennett will be the third down and short yardage back and we all know it...

08-06-2001, 08:45 AM
We're all going to find out in 6 days.

08-06-2001, 09:11 AM
Where is Milkman? He will gladly share his thoughts on the brilliant coaching of Marty....

Come on Milk, I'm counting on you

08-06-2001, 09:20 AM
I hope the man falls flat on his face, he was stupid enough to hire the worst set of coaches available, so he is off to a good start. I think if Bennett gets any more then 1-2 carries a game it will show that Marty learned nothing in his time away.

As far as the third down back, I think they may be talking third and long back and not your regular third down situation. Of course I can't count the number of times that Marcus Allen kept a drive going with 3rd and 4th and short runs.

Can't wait to see chunk of yards crap, run, stop, catch ball, get tackled.

08-06-2001, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by jl80
Where is Milkman? He will gladly share his thoughts on the brilliant coaching of Marty....

Come on Milk, I'm counting on you

I'm here, I'm here.
But I got nuthin' to say on the subject.

08-06-2001, 05:53 PM
Marty hasn't had a back with this much talent since Kevin Mack. I am betting Stephen Davis will lead the league in rushing. He'd better. They do not have any sure things at receiver.

08-06-2001, 06:01 PM
Me, with nothing to say on any subject that pertains to Marty.
Yeah, right, and Hell is freezing over.

To me, Marty's RBbC approach is just another component of his cowardly play not to lose philosophy. He wastes his best talent sitting on the bench, saving him for the postseason, and of course he's had great success doing it that way (plaese note the sarcasm in that statement).

When he went to Cleveland, he had Byner and then added Mack. In KC, he had Okoye and then went out and got Word.
Then it was Marcus and the rest of the committe. Now it's Davis and a new committe.

He just doesn't understand. You want to get to the SB, he has ride his horse until it drops.

Your best players get you there.
Your 2nd best players don't.

08-06-2001, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Cody Goldizen
I think Marty will fail in Washington.

Marty will do as he always has.
He'll do just enough to fail when it counts most, in the playoffs.

Some morons consider that successful.

08-06-2001, 06:13 PM
I don't want to defend Raye in any way. There is no question, as an OC, he a worthless stooge.
However, even he had the sense to use his horse when he had him, most notably Dickerson with the Rams.

The idea of sitting your horse down in order to conserve him for the playoffs is uniquely Marty's.

Gotta love it. His idiocy is boundless and consistent.