***Official Boogidy boogidy boogidy, lets go racin thread***

[smittysbar]

Same two cars spin that spun to bring out the last cation

[Dylan]

smittysbar, I know I asked before. What exactly should I order on TrackPass. I know i want the scanner but I wouldn't mind watching the race on my computer too. It would allow me to watch football on TV and the race on my computer.

You don't have to download anything, but if you click on the Free TNT Buddy a window will open, then click on Akamai Race Robo at the top right of the page.

WOW caution -------- the Race Buddy is a few seconds ahead of Nascar on TNT

[smittysbar]

Big raindrops is what Carl just said

[smittysbar]

Get Trackpass It is the shit

[Dylan]

Its raining? :(

I keep getting logged out...

[Dylan]

Get Trackpass It is the shit

So you are watching the race on the computer along with listening to the driver of your choice over the scanner?

[Dylan]

gawd, i'm so stoopid...

[Dylan]

i don't want to jinx anything, but did Rick Hendrick open his wallet and stuff some cash in Helton's pockets? There isn't a Toyota in the top 10.

[smittysbar]

Its all on the same screen.

Just came over the radio and told the drivers to get back in the cars that it would be no more than 10 more min

[Spott]

I've never used trackpass, but I can listen to a few of the drivers on Sirius.

[smittysbar]

Toyota 2nd 6th 8th and 10th right now, not to bad

[Dylan]

Oh wait... forgot about Tony & Hamlin. They're in a Toyota

[Dylan]

I've never used trackpass, but I can listen to a few of the drivers on Sirius.

spott, It's free today: you can see the race on your computer. I haven't played around with it, but I'm about to try the scanner. You don't have to sign up. Just click on "Race Buddy TNT" on the top left of Nascar.com

nascar.com

[Spott]

spott, It's free today: you can see the race on your computer. I haven't played around with it, but I'm about to try the scanner. You don't have to sign up. Just click on "Race Buddy TNT" on the top left of Nascar.com

nascar.com

Thanks. I'll check it out.

[Dylan]

I'm hysterical. Some friends of mine just said, A Shrub fan at another forum insists that Kyle isn't a "dirty driver", but that his moves are so "daring and unexpected that other drivers can't react in a way that keeps them from wrecking".

"Sure it wasn't Shrub posting? He is in his hauler right now... "


If I was Gibbs I'd have him out there in the garage helping to pound out the sheet metal... lol

[Spott]

How did Kahne get to the back so quick? I missed the first of the race and he was in 33rd when I started watching.

[Dylan]

Who knocked out Clint? Wan? Wan's on fire... the crowd is cheering omg...lol

[Spott]

The fans are all cheering Montoya's car being on fire. :)

[smittysbar]

How did Kahne get to the back so quick? I missed the first of the race and he was in 33rd when I started watching.

I messed up pit stop, had to come back down pit road

[smittysbar]

He pulled his car to the safety crew, then they just stood there with there thumbs up there ass's instead of putting the fire out. Unbelievable

[Spott]

I messed up pit stop, had to come back down pit road



Thanks. It looks like he is running pretty good because he is back up to 8th place now.

[Dylan]

He pulled his car to the safety crew, then they just stood there with there thumbs up there ass's instead of putting the fire out. Unbelievable

Unreal. Boyer was into the wall before Juan was hit by Menard... and still there wasn't a safety crew on the track. Where were they?

[smittysbar]

someone will get shit canned over that

Carl looking fast again

[Dylan]

Nascar trying to cover their ass making excuses for the safety workers. They were too busy standing off to the side as Juan was getting toasted like a marshmellow.

I bet ASSCAR picks first 12 fans that enter the track. They're taken to the refreshment stand and offered snacks and a fire jumpsuit for free then told to stand in certain places on the track

[Dylan]

someone will get shit canned over that

Carl looking fast again


How many wins has Cousin Carl had this season? 2 -3?

He's doing great

[smittysbar]

3

those guys that didn't pit are going to have to come in soon

[Dylan]

:D Caution for Mikey spinning alone

[Dylan]

3

those guys that didn't pit are going to have to come in soon

I'm mostly sure that Pocono is a fuel strategy track. I could be wrong...

[Dylan]

Awww... come on Jr.

I forgot he was racing for cryin' out loud.

[Spott]

Hamlin almost took himself and Kahne out.

[Dylan]

Damn good racing -- Hamlin vs Kandy Cane

[kstater]

Funny how Hamlin was bitching about give and take a couple weeks ago then doesn't give.

[kstater]

Or was Kahne racing him too hard?

[Spott]

Jr may have screwed himself by only getting 2 tires on that last caution.

[Dylan]

Hamlin almost took himself and Kahne out.

Kyle would have taken out Kahne along with several cars behind them.


Chit... Jr can't win on those tires. BIG MISTAKE... this track is almost like a freakin' road course. Drivers have to fight the track through the turns. I hate this track.

[smittysbar]

Will everyone come in?

[smittysbar]

Carl coming and making a track bar adjustment

[Dylan]

Jr may have screwed himself by only getting 2 tires on that last caution.

I wish Jr would let Hendrick pick his crew chief and crew and ship the cousins off to the Nationals. They're always messing up. Do you have how many races they lost for him? How long will Hendrick put up Eurine Jr?

flukfeast on pit lane

[smittysbar]

biff and the 00 make contact. Man this pit road is crazy

[Spott]

I wish Jr would let Hendrick pick his crew chief and crew. I wish he'd send his kissin' cousins to the Nationals. They're always messing up. Do you have how many races they lost for Jr?

flukfeast on pit lane

I agree. They should have just let Tony stay at DEI.

[Spott]

I think Stewart will be giving up the lead shortly now that all the faster cars have caught up with him from that last caution.

[Dylan]

Carl coming and making a track bar adjustment

What's that? a balance bar?

[kcxiv]

Ok, i had to do yard work in 97 degree weather. Yeah, its hot out there, but done now. Whats happened so far? i missed a good chunk of it.

[Dylan]

Watch the cars on turn one -- they have to go into the turn single file.

[Spott]

Kahne back in the lead. I think it's a race between him, Biffle, Hamlin and maybe Edwards the rest of the way.

[smittysbar]

Ok, i had to do yard work in 97 degree weather. Yeah, its hot out there, but done now. Whats happened so far? i missed a good chunk of it.

Not much really

[smittysbar]

Pimple face back on the track

[smittysbar]

Carl is flying, but not sure he has a good enough car to beat Kahne

[smittysbar]

Carl catching Biff, but still not as fast as Kahne

[smittysbar]

Strategy

[smittysbar]

strategy

[smittysbar]

Strategy...

[smittysbar]

Biff is in

[smittysbar]

Carl coming in this lap

[smittysbar]

My god ANOTHER bad pit stop 16.90........you would think they would get some good guys for him

[Skip Towne]

What is pimple face doing? Also, who is pimple face?

[Dylan]

Ok, i had to do yard work in 97 degree weather. Yeah, its hot out there, but done now. Whats happened so far? i missed a good chunk of it.

Awww... I feel bad. It's so hot out.

Wall-trip ran out of talent hit the wall. Kyle Petty says in the booth, "This could be very costly for Mikey. --------- So at the season Mikey will finish 39th instead of 41st

Kyle went to his trailor to review the tape. Must have been a hell of a long tape because it took him about an hour to review. Kyle said he had a broken side view mirror and his spotter was no where to be found.

Hornish and Carpentier crash in Turn 1. Hornish tried to kill Carpentier as he got underneath him. Both were spinning in the backfield as we went to commercial.


Turn 1 collects Carpentier and Hornish again. The two went into the corner side-by-side with Carpentier on the inside. Carpentier ran out of talent, got loose and slapped Hornish into the wall. Gilliland spins as well as we go to commercial.

Bowyer crashes hard into the wall and collects Juan as well. Bowyer's car comes to a rest on the wall after spinning. Montoya crashes and catches on fire. Five minutes tick away as Juan drives his car around the track desperately looking for a fire truck. So someone called 911. When the fire did not arrive until Asscar fans watched in horror as Juan caught fire and turned into a human fireball.

Tony Eurine, Jr. proves once again he's worthless as Jr comes to pit row for two tires and a squirt of gas.

Nastycar makes sure that Biffle will not win the race today. They used one of their imaginary speeding penalties. Going too fast down pit lane. No need for them to change the script this late in the race.

That's about it.

[Dylan]

What is pimple face doing? Also, who is pimple face?

Pimple face, must be Kyle Busch... :D

He's not finishing running out of talent... LOL as he spins all by himself.

[Dylan]

Skip Towne,

You came in at a good time. It's pure drama now until the end of the race.

Just read the post I wrote to kcvii. And you'll be caught up with today's race.

It is pouring in NYC. I wonder if it is heading PA's way.

[Skip Towne]

Skip Towne,

You came in at a good time. It's pure drama now until the end of the race.

Just read the post I wrote to kcvii. And you'll be caught up with today's race.

It is pouring in NYC. I wonder if it is heading PA's way.

Yeah, I read that. I'm new at Asscar and am still learning. It seems strange all those guys would run out of talent at the same time.

[Dylan]

oh gawd, watch jr. spin his tires on the restart

[smittysbar]

You have got to be kidding me...........mother****er!!!!!
The crew put a bad tire on, how ****ing stupid can you be.

[Skip Towne]

You have got to be kidding me...........mother****er!!!!!
The crew put a bad tire on, how ****ing stupid can you be.

They must be MUrons. That reminds me of the Ty Edney deal.

[Skip Towne]

This really isn't very exciting. They should have a half time then have them go around the track the other way in the 2nd half. This only shows who turns left the best.

[smittysbar]

Can't believe more haven't wrecked here at the end

[smittysbar]

Carl worked his way through the field on those last laps from 34th to 9th he was fast. To bad we didn't get to see him race Kahne at the end.

[Dylan]

Yeah, I read that. I'm new at Asscar and am still learning. It seems strange all those guys would run out of talent at the same time.
LOL...

I hope you hang with us during the races. It is alot of fun. You don't have to pick a driver/drivers right away. People are the most important part of a drivers success. Hendrick Motorsports, Roush/Fenway Racing and Joe Gibbs Racing have won every Nascar championship since 2000. But owners like Ray Evernham has a receipe for success. Jeff Gordon owes four Nascar Cup Championships to Ray Evernham as his crew chief.

Concentrate on drivers personalities and feuds. I can point that out. Once you are hooked -- you 're hooked.


Congratulations to Kasey, the 9 Team, Ray Evernham & his Fans!


i keep getting logged out. lol

[Ultra Peanut]

ROBERT KUBICA
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

From this in Montreal last year:

http://i32.tinypic.com/f05c14.jpg

To this:

http://i30.tinypic.com/2hcq64j.jpg

Thanks for the Planetbux, Ku-bert.

[Skip Towne]

LOL...

I hope you hang with us during the races. It is alot of fun. You don't have to pick a driver/drivers right away. People are the most important part of a drivers success. Hendrick Motorsports, Roush/Fenway Racing and Joe Gibbs Racing have won every Nascar championship since 2000. But owners like Ray Evernham has a receipe for success. Jeff Gordon owes four Nascar Cup Championships to Ray Evernham car setups. Ray used to work for Rick Hendrick and he was Jeff's crew chief before he left to start his own team.

Concentrate on drivers personalities and feuds. I can point that out. Nascar owes much of its success to driver feuds and lets the drama build as drivers emotions go unchecked. Drivers go after drivers out of pure retaliation. Some retaliation is blatant and some crashes can be determined by those involved. The rest are referred to as a "Racing Deal" -- Once you are hooked -- you 're hooked.


Congratulations to Kasey, the 9 Team, Ray Evernham & his Fans!


i keep getting logged out. lol

Thanks. So far I'd like it better if Danica was in it.

[KCTitus]

Jeff Gordon owes three Nascar Cup Championships to Ray Evernham car setups.

fyp...Gordon won a championship in 2001 with Loomis.

[KCTitus]

This really isn't very exciting. They should have a half time then have them go around the track the other way in the 2nd half. This only shows who turns left the best.

Pocono is a boring track...very boring.

[Ultra Peanut]

Pocono is the worst track ever.

And they get two long-assed races every year.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[smittysbar]

Pocono is a boring track...very boring.


And with the COT it has made it even worse :(

[Bugeater]

I didn't get to see much of today's race due to the fact that our power was out from last night's storm, and judging by the comments in this thread I didn't miss much.

[smittysbar]

Nope not much

[alanm]

I didn't get to see much of today's race due to the fact that our power was out from last night's storm, and judging by the comments in this thread I didn't miss much.
Bug, I heard that Omaha had a tornado last night in Millard. How much rain have you guys had lately?

[Bugeater]

Bug, I heard that Omaha had a tornado last night in Millard. How much rain have you guys had lately?
Shitload, the ground is saturated and there's a lot of lowland flooding. That tornado was just a couple miles away, I was outside watching the storm roll in and could hear a lot of noise in the distance, I had no idea I was listening to a tornado. Very scary as it rolled in at 2:40 am and we had virtually no warning.

[Dylan]

fyp...Gordon won a championship in 2001 with Loomis.

I forgot Jeff won the championship in 2001.

Ray Evernham Bio:
Driven by a passion for automobiles, Ray Evernham climbed behind the wheel of a race car in 1979 and never looked back.

His drive to succeed behind the wheel created opportunities in the auto racing and technology industries.

In 1983, a call from legendary car owner Roger Penske challenged Evernham to resurrect the International Race of Champions (IROC) Series. The opportunity offered Evernham the chance to work with the world’s best racers, including Johnny Rutherford, A.J. Foyt, Emerson Fittipaldi, Darrell Waltrip, and Bill Elliott. The experience taught Evernham, as team manager, the value of team success and priceless lessons in the business of racing.
By 1990, those in the NASCAR community took notice of Evernham’s unique leadership abilities and success. Evernham was offered the opportunity to team with up-and-coming driver Jeff Gordon as his crew chief at Hendrick Motorsports, where Evernham would first impact the sport at NASCAR’s highest level of competition.

He seized his opportunity at Hendrick Motorsports, revolutionizing the crew chief role as leader of the Rainbow Warriors in the 1990s.

During his tenure with Gordon, he earned three championships and 47 wins in 216 starts, including two Daytona 500 victories and the inaugural Brickyard 400. His success earned him Crew Chief of the Decade honors in 2000 and his innovative work with pit crews continues to set the performance standard and his thumb print remains on engineering systems now used throughout the industry.

The rest: http://www.evernhammotorsports.com/main.cfm?pagename=re_bio

[cadmonkey]

Pocono is a boring track...very boring.

they have to do something to make that track better. Add some banking to the corners or something. Christ, watching a Pocono race may be the most boring thing in the world.

[evolve27]

Seemed like a decent race I missed, even though Kahne dominated most of the race. At least Hamlin came in 3rd I suppose. I guess Busch doesn't sit to well with Pocono anyways averaging 16.7 finish in six starts.

[smittysbar]

They ought to shit can half the guys on Carl's crew and start over, these guys have been so bad for so long.

[Dylan]

GoBo: I just want to say that I've been thinking about you all week. Prayers coming your way. Please stay safe!


Smittysbar: Michigan is your boy's track. Should be a great race.

[Dylan]

NBC's Tim Russert died! He collasped on the job. How sad.

R.I.P.

[Calcountry]

Thanks. So far I'd like it better if Danica was in it.
I would love to see her get pissed when someone rubs her the wrong way. lol

[CoMoChief]

Well Hardy Harr harr ol dog gawn hillbilly slap jawwed faqqots?!?!?!

Hey Cletus.........go'n fetch me a brewsky, Ill be down at the creek gettin water for ol ma' and pa'!!!!!

[Dylan]

I/M/O This crash has Clint Boyer's name written all over it. Boyer has a reputation for not giving and taking. Drivers have accused him of running them up into the wall. One incident involved Tony Stewart. Boyer tried the same move on Tony a year or two ago. Big mistake. The two-time champ never lost control of his car. As Boyer pulled side-by-side next to Stewart, he gave Clint the finger and then turned him hard into the wall. Boyer then collected Carl Edwards. Nascar announced on the radio that Tony would be held a lap for aggressive driving. As Stewart is entering pit road, Edwards retaliates and slams Tony hard from behind. Then I clearly remember the #20 began spinning like an orange top near the pit stalls and thinking, I hope everybody made it over the pit wall.

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[KCTitus]

they have to do something to make that track better. Add some banking to the corners or something. Christ, watching a Pocono race may be the most boring thing in the world.

Another short track would be awesome...I admit Im biased, Im in Richmond and I think the 3/4 mile track is awesome racing. There are too many 1.5's - cookie cutter tracks that are as boring.

Pocono needs to build a new track or lose a race.

A triangle...give me a break.

[Bugeater]

GoBo: I just want to say that I've been thinking about you all week. Prayers coming your way. Please stay safe!

It's all good here right now, the weather appears to be calming down for the time being. Other than the deal at the scout camp we've been fairly lucky.

Another short track would be awesome...I admit Im biased, Im in Richmond and I think the 3/4 mile track is awesome racing. There are too many 1.5's - cookie cutter tracks that are as boring.

Pocono needs to build a new track or lose a race.

A triangle...give me a break.
No kidding, I've never understood why that track gets two races. A lot of years they're only a few weeks apart as well.

[Dylan]

GoBo: Glad to hear you're OK.

I'm not sure if anybody has been following this story.

Drivers have been telling the press how dangerously hot the COT cars is for all the drivers. They said you'd be amazed by how many drivers had to be in the infield care center after the race in order to get intravenious fluids because they got so sick in the car.

David Poole, is one of the most widely-read and well-respected journalists in Nascar. He writes a column and blog for the Charlotte Observer. He said when he went to interview drivers after races like Jr and a couple of others, they were so sick, they couldn't talk. Well, today Nascar held a secret meeting today with the drivers. First, here's one of the articles from last Sunday.

Last week at Pocono:

Long, hot afternoon takes toll, prompts complaints
JIM UTTER

The Charlotte Observer
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2008

Several drivers required a serious cooling off period following Sunday's race as the temperatures and long afternoon took their toll.

Denny Hamlin, Brian Vickers and A.J. Allmendinger were among those who complained they were not feeling well immediately after the race. Hamlin even made a brief visit to the infield care center.

"It's brutal. These cars, I don't know what we have to do as a sport, but they are ..." Vickers started to say before Hamlin interrupted him.

"They are hot," Hamlin said. "They are hotter than the old car by far."
Continued Vickers: "We're going to the infield care center after races and that's ridiculous. NASCAR needs to step in and ... do something to cool these cars down and help us."

Hamlin believes the problem may be with the exhaust system.

"It's closer to the floor panel and that's going to make the car hotter itself," he said. "Here, the pace (of the race) is so slow, once the car is loose, (the race) just takes forever.

"It's tough on us drivers."

[SPchief]

GoBo: Glad to hear you're OK.

I'm not sure if anybody has been following this story.

Drivers have been telling the press how dangerously hot the COT cars is for all the drivers. They said you'd be amazed by how many drivers had to be in the infield care center after the race in order to get intravenious fluids because they got so sick in the car.

David Poole, is one of the most widely-read and well-respected journalists in Nascar. He writes a column and blog for the Charlotte Observer. He said when he went to interview drivers after races like Jr and a couple of others, they were so sick, they couldn't talk. Well, today Nascar held a secret meeting today with the drivers. First, here's one of the articles from last Sunday.

Last week at Pocono:

Long, hot afternoon takes toll, prompts complaints
JIM UTTER

The Charlotte Observer
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2008

Several drivers required a serious cooling off period following Sunday's race as the temperatures and long afternoon took their toll.

Denny Hamlin, Brian Vickers and A.J. Allmendinger were among those who complained they were not feeling well immediately after the race. Hamlin even made a brief visit to the infield care center.

"It's brutal. These cars, I don't know what we have to do as a sport, but they are ..." Vickers started to say before Hamlin interrupted him.

"They are hot," Hamlin said. "They are hotter than the old car by far."
Continued Vickers: "We're going to the infield care center after races and that's ridiculous. NASCAR needs to step in and ... do something to cool these cars down and help us."

Hamlin believes the problem may be with the exhaust system.

"It's closer to the floor panel and that's going to make the car hotter itself," he said. "Here, the pace (of the race) is so slow, once the car is loose, (the race) just takes forever.

"It's tough on us drivers."
Boo ****ing Hoo. I gauruntee that the cars from the mid to late 80s were hotter than the COT

[Bugeater]

Boo ****ing Hoo. I gauruntee that the cars from the mid to late 80s were hotter than the COT

It's global warming dude. Remember we were in an ice age back in the 80s. :rolleyes:

[Dylan]

In a secret meeting called by Nascar officials warned the drivers to "shut up and drive" or else. Nascar said they're tired of hearing the negative messages some of the drivers have being sending to the fans. Nascar feels that it has an impact on their cash flow -- Cockpit temperatures in the old cars often hit 140 degrees on hot days. Were the temperatures higher than that on Sunday?

Within five minutes after leaving the meeting, Junior spilled the beans to the press:

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/8243674_18_1.jpg

Jr's quotes regarding his thoughts on the meeting: I'll get the link.
WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WAS SAID IN THE MEETING THIS MORNING?

“My interpretation was that the drivers should be thankful for the position they’re in and should be more positive in where this car is going to be in a year or two. It reminds me a lot of working with video game developers. The reason why the analogy works is because the public wants to know how good the game is. The public wants to know what’s being fixed. Once the game is released there’s a lot of bugs and stuff, just like with this race car. And the public wants to know when is it going to be fixed and what’s being worked on and what’s going to be added. And a lot of companies are not eager to give that information out until it’s done and finished.

“And I see NASCAR with that same attitude. I think that they do a lot of work behind the scenes and they probably agree with us more than we tend to believe. And they understand that the car is new and it’s going to evolve and we’re going to learn more. Maybe three years from now we’ll look back at what we have today and go, man, can you believe we had that car and that was the way we did it? Because they’ll be some things we’ll find that will be just like man, that’s way better. Let’s go in that direction. So I think they’re doing more than we give them credit for. They’re thinking and working and trying and wanting to improve; and that us drivers should do less complaining.

“I think it’s always great to be reminded. In my experience with Mike Helton, if he ever says anything, it’s been very valuable to me. And every time that man has spoke, I’ve benefited from it. It gave me a whole lot clearer view of the situation than I had. And I appreciate Mike and NASCAR for thinking it was a good opportunity today to have that.”

WITH NASCAR TELLING THE DRIVERS TO LAY LOW ON THEIR CRITICISM OF THE CAR, DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO BEHIND THE SCENES COMPLAINTS NOW AND BE MORE ACTIVE IN DOING THINGS?

“Yeah. They will. I think that they were. As a driver you just pent up the anguish that you have about the situation and you misinterpret NASCAR’s position and their approach and what they’re really doing. Like I said, they’re doing a lot with the car now. They are coming up with some new ideas and new ways to make the car not quite as sensitive in dirty air and they’ll be testing that soon hopefully. I think it’s great that they feel like the car can evolve. It should, as every car has evolved in the sport, this car should as well. I feel like they know that and they’re open to it. You want to make the car to where it has more front grip and drives better in dirty air and turns down in the corner better. But at the same time, I like the way the rules are stricter on this car. It’s a very difficult situation to have both.”

[Dylan]

The story gets better. According to David Poole:

http://turn-lane.blogspot.com/2008/06/accentuate-positive-or-else.html

Naturally, word of the meeting spread quickly to the media. It lasted less than 10 minutes and drivers walked out declining to comment. The signal was they’d been told more about what not to say.

NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter afterward encouraged the media to talk to the drivers about what was said, but after the practice ended at 1 p.m. some of the drivers clearly felt like the less they said the better off they’d be.

So it comes off that NASCAR’s message was “We make the rules, we’re not going to change the rules and we don’t want to hear you complaining about them or talking about how the racing needs to be improved.”

What that implies, though, is that there are things that need to be changed but that NASCAR isn’t going to change them because the drivers haven’t toed the line and kept their mouths shut.

Drivers weren’t the only people who got a talking to Friday. I was told that similar messages were delivered to the sport’s television and radio “partners.”

[Dylan]

Drivers are concerned about their health. Heat exhaustion, or heat stroke, is a severe and potentially fatal illness.

Last week at Pocono:
Q. Brian, you said you're exhausted, you look awfully hot; Denny, no offense, you look like death warmed over. How hot was it out there? The 500 miles, was that too long for a day like today?

BRIAN VICKERS: Well, I tell you, I hate to see one of my friends and comrades down, but I'm glad to say it, too, but I am about testify fall over and just knowing I'm not the only one makes me feel a little bit better. It's brutal. These cars, I don't know what we have to do as a sport, but they are DENNY HAMLIN: They are hot. They are hotter than the old car, by far.

BRIAN VICKERS: Oh, double and away, they are too hot. And NASCAR, and the problem is it's a team and competition and we want to keep the cars light and go fast but we're killing ourselves. We're going to the infield care center off the races and that's ridiculous. NASCAR needs to step in and say we have to do something to cool these cars down and help us. It is extremely freaking hot out there.

And to answer your question, absolutely, 500 miles is way too long for this race. It always has been, and I love Pocono. You know, I enjoy coming here for all the reasons I just told you, but there's no reason to run 500 miles.

DENNY HAMLIN: Yeah, I agree. Even the first time we got in these cars, I think me and Brian were at the very first test, at Charlotte, and it was just too hot. I mean, I don't know what the temperature inside the car is, the difference, but these cars are way hotter than the old car. The ventilation is not near as good, even though we have a bigger window, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it just does. I just think the way that the exhaust runs; the way that the exhaust has to run in the car, it's closer to the floor pane, and that's going to make the car hotter itself.

So, yeah, I mean, it's just this is the longest race I think I've ever been a part of, for sure. It just seemed like it took forever, and a lot of the reason is we never run 500 miles where the average speed is 155 miles an hour while you're running.

If we run 500 miles, it's Atlanta where we are running the average speed of 180, so the race doesn't take near as long. Here, the pace is so slow, once the car is loose, it just takes forever. It's tough on us drivers.

I was glad I wasn't the only one, either. I saw Brian and even Junior needed a second to breathe. It's just tough. We're trying as drivers to do everything we can to stay hide rated but these cars are just way too hot.

[kcxiv]

Boo ****ing Hoo. I gauruntee that the cars from the mid to late 80s were hotter than the COT

I never been in a race car, but 140 degree's for almost 5 hours is a bit ****ing much. Not to mention that ****ing suit they got on. One of them ****ers is going to pass out at the wheel and kill someone one of these days. That is if its as bad as they are saying. People like this dont bitch about something like this for no reason.

[Bugeater]

What that implies, though, is that there are things that need to be changed but that NASCAR isn’t going to change them because the drivers haven’t toed the line and kept their mouths shut.

I'm not sure I care for that attitude. NASCAR needs to remember people tune in because of the drivers, and not because of their shitty car that they're forcing them to drive.

[Dylan]

I just caught the last laps of Nascar Craftsman Truck series. How exciting.

I can't believe Kyle Bush spun out Nascar veteran driver Ron Hornaday for position. Ron will kill him. What a shame. He just spun out the points leader. LOL... Hornaday is running after Kyle... lol

If your not familiar with the Veteran drivers in the Truck Series -- I'll be glad to write about them. They all come with a storied history in the sport.

Photo Finish:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nascar/2008/news/headlines/truck/06/14/truck.winner.michigan/mis.final.jpg

[Dylan]

Trucks at Michigan today:

The last three laps of the race. Amazing. Great clean racing until the last lap when Kyle Busch spins out Ron Hornaday. If you're still wondering why Rick Hendrick fired Kyle you don't have to look far. This weekend and about every weekend this season is why he is with Joe Gibbs. Anyone can wreck a driver, try running clean and see how you do.

It's also worth mentioning, Busch had problems with his former teammates, J. Gordon, J. Johnson and B. Vickers. He claimed they didn't help him win. And from that day on he will race his teammates differently.

This season I've noticed that Kyle may have taken his bad decisions and poor judgment to a new level. I'm hoping Joe Gibbs reaches out and gets him under control soon -- If not, Nascar drivers will do it for him.

After the truck race, Ron Hornaday said that he will take care of Kyle on the track. Ron drives for Nascar Cup driver Kevin Harvick. Kyle blamed the crash on Hornaday and ended with some unkind words towards Kevin.

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[Dylan]

If anyone is around: Nascar Nationals is on ESPN2.

smittysbar, Carl is racing. He's has a bunch of wins at Michigan.

Damn 2nd caution and they're on lap 13 ... Looks like a crashfest. Some field filler slapped the wall -- aero loose

Joey Logano is leading. Kyle is banging off everyone next to him. Kyle is running 16th,

Jason Keller just schooled Logano and blew past him on the restart.


OMG Kyle is running 6th. Freakin Jet Fuel. Kyle is 2nd... What????

Carl is in 26th

[KCTitus]

I really think Nascar should not let Sprint Cup regulars -- especially those in 'the chase' race in the minor league races. Track time = unfair advantage on Sunday, IMO.

[Dylan]

I agree.

But then I read this article a while back that put me on the fence. The article pointed out the advantage Cup drivers bring to the Nationals. Their experience. I don't ...

Asscar shouldn't let Cup drivers earn points in the Nationals.

[KCTitus]

I agree.

But then I read this article a while back that put me on the fence. The article pointed out the advantage Cup drivers bring to the Nationals. Their experience. I don't ...

Asscar should eliminate the Nationals point system for Cup drivers.

Nascar is trying to build an audience by drawing people in because cup drivers are in the races. Stupid. I would appreciate it more if they werent in there and you could begin following newer drivers, the up and coming guys that will be the next generation star in the Cup.

Instead it's diluted because Carl Edwards, Kenseth, Harvick, Busch, et al take 8 of the top 10 spots in the points and Havick has a 4,000 point lead with 20 races to go. WTF? How can that possibly be interesting?

The trucks have their own personalities...Nationwide should be the same way.

[Dylan]

I agree with you.

right now, Cup drivers are staying out of the Nationals because of all the problems with the COT. Nascar is losing their loyal fans with these new cars. Bring back stock cars. Nobody wants to see the playing field level with everybody racing the same COT cookie cutter car.

Who do you root for?

[KCTitus]

I agree with you.

right now, Cup drivers are staying out of the Nationals because of all the problems with the COT. Nascar is losing their loyal fans with theses new cars. Bring back stock cars. Nobody wants to see the playing field level with everybody racing the same Car of Tommorow cookie cutter car.


Who do you root for?

Ive been a Gordon fan since the late 90's...I have to explain it this way.

When I moved out to Richmond VA, I didnt really follow it that closely, but you couldnt throw a dead cat and not hit an Earnhardt fan. Basically, everyone loathed Gordon and as a natural contrarian I started rooting for him. Im just that way. He hasnt won since 2001 and last year was a heartbreaker...the fugging chase format has cost him 2 titles.

Anyway, his years are numbered, he's probably going to retire in 3-5 years, and Ive got my eye on Kyle Busch. Yep...because the Jr fans hate him.

[Dylan]

"Nationwide" and I've been calling it the "Nationals" Lord have Mercy lmao

Why did Nascar change the name Busch Series to the Nationwide Series this year? Why?

Oh, I know. Typical Ca$hcar -- Nationwide is the new sponsor...

[kstater]

Heh, I thought all this time you were going old school and referring to the Grand Nationals.

You a blond?

[KCTitus]

"Nationwide" and I've been calling it the "Nationals" Lord have Mercy lmao

Why did Nascar change the name Busch Series to the Nationwide Series this year? Why?

Oh, I know. Typical Ca$hcar -- Nationwide is the new sponsor...

techincally you werent wrong...the original car was based upon the Grand National. I still call it the Busch league, too.

*edit* what stater said...getting slow in my old age.

[Dylan]

I'm an Earnhardt fan and Jr fan. But I love Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson.

But I guess I'm not the typical fan. It's hard to find Nascars fans where I live. My best girlfriend watches Nascar because I got her hooked on the drama.

I have Nascar friends online. They're not kids. They're old time fans. It's different. They've taught me so much.

I keep getting logged out.

[KCTitus]

a Jr fan that likes Gordon, nope, you're not the typical fan. You must not live anywhere south of the Mason Dixon line.

[Dylan]

I will tell you this... I'm sure this may surprise you --Dale Jr fans root for Jeff and Jimmie. People that know the history of Nascar -- owners, drivers, crew chiefs etc. Never hated Rick Hendrick.

OMG KYLE chews up another car. Missed it. Did someone take him out?


BS...the announcers... That's how Kyle races. Loose and over the edge. I'm been watching this kid for years. He's tore up more cars the past few years than anyone else in Cup. Nationwide he might be tied to Steve Wallace... I'm not sure about Nationwide -- because I miss their races

[KCTitus]

I will tell you this... I'm sure this may surprise you --Dale Jr fans root for Jeff and Jimmie.

Heh...not in my neck of the woods they dont. Matter of fact they will stand up and cheer if 24 or 48 goes out or even gets passed.

I dont care, though, it's the rivalry that makes the sport interesting. Gordon is so bad this year that a new villan is starting to emerge and I have to start to look to the future.

[kcxiv]

Nascar should allow them to only run a certain amount of races for the year. Say 10 races a year max. This will give fans interest when they say hey look, Tony Stewart is racing in this weeks Nationwide race. Them trying to run full schedules in both divisions should be outlawed.

[Dylan]

OMG... LOGANO WON!!!!!!!!! HIS 3RD RACE

[Bugeater]

Well "the next big thing" lives up to the hype.

[Dylan]

Heh...not in my neck of the woods they dont. Matter of fact they will stand up and cheer if 24 or 48 goes out or even gets passed.

I dont care, though, it's the rivalry that makes the sport interesting. Gordon is so bad this year that a new villan is starting to emerge and I have to start to look to the future.
ROFL



I love new winners... They never know how to get to Victory Lane

[Dylan]

Wait until Hendrick teams figure out the setup for the COT.

There isn't a driver in Nascar today that comes close to being as great of driver as Jeff Gordon. Look at the stats, they do not lie. ...

[Bugeater]

I keep getting logged out.
You still haven't got that figured out? Did you do that stuff in the PM I sent you?

[Dylan]

I pulling for Wallace. Am I seeing things or did Wallace really spin out under caution?

Loved his father's comments about the incident on ESPN2.

[Skip Towne]

Wait until Hendrick teams figure out the setup for the COT.

There isn't a driver in Nascar today that comes close to being as great of driver as Jeff Gordon. Look at the stats, they do not lie. ...

Why does everybody hate him?

[Dylan]

You still haven't got that figured out? Did you do that stuff in the PM I sent you?


Hi... Yes... Now, I have to log back in every time I post. I hate when I lose my post when I hit the submit button.

[Dylan]

Why does everybody hate him?

Rick Hendrick and Jeff Gordon? I'll write about it offline then post it. I lost what I just typed.

Rick Hendrick is one of the most respected and successful team owners in the history of Nascar. Dale, Jr's grandfather used to work for Rick. I'll write about it. I'll write about Roush and Evernham. Drivers should shake Jack Roush's hand everytime they leave their race car.

I will also turn you on to the drama. It'scrazy. They let everything hang out. Drivers bringing lawsuits against an owner having an affair with an IRL driver. How another wife took away her husband's race car right before the race.

[2112]

Hi... Yes... Now, I have to log back in every time I post. I hate when I lose my post when I hit the submit button.

Log out and clear all your cookies. and stop using IE, and start using Firefox and you will have no more problems.

[Bugeater]

Log out and clear all your cookies. and stop using IE, and start using Firefox and you will have no more problems.
She still shouldn't be having that much trouble even if she's using IE.

[2112]

She still shouldn't be having that much trouble even if she's using IE.

What do you mean she? I thought she was a he. so is he a she? or is she a he? :spock:

[Bugeater]

What do you mean she? I thought she was a he. so is he a she? or is she a he? :spock:

I pretty sure at one point she specified that she was a she. Now whether she was ever a he I cannot confirm or deny at the current moment.

[Skip Towne]

I pretty sure at one point she specified that she was a she. Now whether she was ever a he I cannot confirm or deny at the current moment.

I say we do a strip search to settle it.

[Bugeater]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4618523&postcount=74

I rule.

[2112]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4618523&postcount=74

I rule.

:harumph:

[Bugeater]

:harumph:

:$2500:

[2112]

:$2500:

:evil: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/bobthejetsfan/jnstuff/jets.gif

[Bugeater]

:evil: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/bobthejetsfan/jnstuff/jets.gif

Does Bob know you're hijacking his emoticons?

[2112]

Does Bob know you're hijacking his emoticons?

No, he doesn't. and that is trade marked too.

[Dylan]

ROFLROFLROFL How funny. ... lol

GoBo, don't give away my secrets... LMAO I forgot I wrote that... LMAO

Nobody will talk to me if they know I'm a girl... LMAO

I like IE... I don't know anything about Firefox.

I'll be back, I got to do my laundry. LMAO and get knocked offline...

[Bugeater]

No, he doesn't. and that is trade marked too.
I don't see the TM thingy next to it. And it looks like you pissed off Dylan by suggesting she was a he.

[Bugeater]

ROFLROFLROFL How funny. ... lol

GoBo, don't give away my secrets... LMAO I forgot I wrote that... LMAO

Nobody will talk to me if they know I'm a girl... LMAO

I like IE... I don't know anything about Firefox.

I'll be back, I got to do my laundry. LMAO and get knocked offline...
On the contrary, you will be an instant icon if they know you're a girl. And Firefox rules, especially with the adblock add-on. I highly recommend it, you can download it at mozilla.com. It's so easy a caveman could do it.

[2112]

ROFLROFLROFL How funny. ... lol

GoBo, don't give away my secrets... LMAO I forgot I wrote that... LMAO

Nobody will talk to me if they know I'm a girl... LMAO

I like IE... I don't know anything about Firefox.

I'll be back, I got to do my laundry. LMAO and get knocked offline...

http://www.firefox-spread.com/download.htm

http://www.beforeyoukillyourcomputer.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/get-firefox_med.jpg

[2112]

I don't see the TM thingy next to it. And it looks like you pissed off Dylan by suggesting she was a he.

ROFL

Oh yes, she's infuriated with me.

ROFL

[2112]

I don't see the TM thingy next to it. And it looks like you pissed off Dylan by suggesting she was a he.

If you hit alt + 153 you will get ™, not TM. :harumph:

[Bugeater]

If you hit alt + 153 you will get ™, not TM. :harumph:

Like I'll ever ****ing remember that. I know there's a way to get the degree symbol thingy too but I can't remember it either.

[2112]

Like I'll ever ****ing remember that. I know there's a way to get the degree symbol thingy too but I can't remember it either.

Wait a second, you can remember that Dylan is a she. and you also furiously searched her posts to find the one in question, but you can't remember something easy like that? :shake:

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[Bugeater]

Wait a second, you can remember that Dylan is a she. and you also furiously searched her posts to find the one in question, but you can't remember something easy like that? :shake:

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Pretty much. LMAO

[Skip Towne]

ROFLROFLROFL How funny. ... lol

GoBo, don't give away my secrets... LMAO I forgot I wrote that... LMAO

Nobody will talk to me if they know I'm a girl... LMAO

I like IE... I don't know anything about Firefox.

I'll be back, I got to do my laundry. LMAO and get knocked offline...

You're a girl? I'm through talking to you. Well, maybe not, post a pic.

[Ultra Peanut]

Joey LeBrono, you are ridiculous.

Also, we need more 24-hour races in the world. Being able to watch one sporting event for ten hours straight is the best.

[smittysbar]

Will miss the race today but will have my phone to check on here to see who is leading. Go Carl. He runs good on this track.

[Spott]

Hope the rain stays away from the race long enough to finish without delays.

[Dylan]

Isn't time for a caution?

[Spott]

Has there even been a caution so far?

[Dylan]

Who cares how fast Matty gets to pit lane... tell him to win a race -- then ya can get all exited.

i swear, these announcers crack me up

[Dylan]

Has there even been a caution so far?

I'm not sure, I missed some of the race... Don't worry, Asscar will make sure we have one. They're famous for bunching up the field

THERE YOU GO.... CAUTION FOR DEBRIS


THEY WILL NEVER SHOW THE DEBRIS...

THANKS ASSCAR! Bunch up that field

[KCTitus]

another thing that sux about nascar...the field was too strung out and the call caution for an alumninum can on the track. Had they not gone yellow, in 20 minutes there would be 5 cars on the lead lap.

[Dylan]

Next week is a road course. Now that's a hoot. 95% of Cup drivers don't know what they're doing and get into the gravel.

Juan Pablem Montoya will make sure he takes out a few. He could win

Robby Gordon should win but Asscar will make sure he doesn't. They took his win away from him a year or two ago. Crazy But he'll get into a fight or two.

Jeff Gordon is good

I got to find the video of Dale Jr. crashing, catching on fire and falling asleep at the wheel -- it was so funny ........ gawd forgive me...

Someone will take out Kyle. Good place to do it.

[Dylan]

another thing that sux about nascar...the field was too strung out and the call caution for an alumninum can on the track. Had they not gone yellow, in 20 minutes there would be 5 cars on the lead lap.

i never liked this track --

[Spott]

another thing that sux about nascar...the field was too strung out and the call caution for an alumninum can on the track. Had they not gone yellow, in 20 minutes there would be 5 cars on the lead lap.


It sure seems like they do that on purpose. The field was getting pretty spread out and even the guys in the top 6 or 7 were almost 20 seconds behind.

[KCTitus]

Stewart's a good road course racer, too.

I like the road courses they're a more true test of actual driver ability as opposed to just left turns--that's nothing but car set up.

[Spott]

Robby Gordon should win but Asscar will make sure he does not. They took his win away from him a year or two ago. Crazy


Wasn't that the race where he spun someone out on purpose at the end after they screwed him during the caution? IIRC, him and the winner were both doing burnouts on the infield after the race was over.

I've always hated the road courses. I would rather see the drivers go all out instead of just speeding up for 2 seconds and having to slam on the brakes again for all of those hairpin turns.

[KCTitus]

i never liked this track --

this and Pocono and New Hampshire...

[Dylan]

the action gets better soon when everyone starts racing for position

[Dylan]

I just lost my post.

Did you hear about the confrontation between Kyle, Ron Hornaday and Kevin Harvick last night? They grabbed Kyle in the garage. I heard they pulled Hornaday off of Kyle.

[Spott]

I heard they pulled Hornaday off of Kyle.

I heard they were stuck together like 2 dogs in heat.

[Dylan]

Show Time

WHO put Robby into the wall... Robby will get you... If Robby gets his car back on the track he'll get Regan now.

Robby never forgets... He has some temper

[Dylan]

Dario Franchitti's career change looks worse every week. I wonder if Ashley even bothers traveling with him anymore.

[Dylan]

Tried to post this a few minutes ago.,..lol

Kyle and Tony pitting. Kyle's car is "slow".

Another pit problem for Biffle -- caught the hose and has to do a drive through. Always something

We're not going to know who wins this race till the end... It's going to come down to fuel mileage.

LET'S GO JUNE BUG

[kcxiv]

Shit, totally forgot about the race. Started cleaning the garage a bit. Lost track.

[Dylan]

Come on Junior........

Oh Chit............ Effin Hornish

[Dylan]

Shit, totally forgot about the race. Started cleaning the garage a bit. Lost track.

this has been an entertaining race ...

[Dylan]

OH Lord... This caution messed up Junior and a couple of others... M'Effer

sorry...

[Dylan]

they're going to run out of fuel because of field filler Hornish, Jr

Why are these IRL drivers in Nascar -- they can't drive... they should be practicing in the Truck Series.

Montoya -- the jury is still out ... he has potential and is can wheel a road course.

Freakin' Dario sucks

[KCTitus]

JR's going to win...they made Hornish spin to keep him in front.

[Dylan]

Hornish might have cost Junior the race

[Dylan]

COME ON JUNIOR

[Dylan]

MARTIN GETS THE EFFIN 8 OFF THE TRACK

[Dylan]

OMG HE WON.... JUNE BUG WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LISTEN TO EARNHARDT, JR NATION

[KCTitus]

Nascar = WWE

Danica won in IRL with more integrity.

Gotta work awfully hard to win with that much help

[kcxiv]

haha, that was nice. Gratz JR.

[Dylan]

I'm so happy.

Jr can wheel a car. He's been driving chit every since his Dad died.

[Dylan]

Nascar = WWE

Danica won in IRL with more integrity.

Gotta work awfully hard to win with that much help


I'll address that later......lol

Watch Jr does great burnouts... he has no gas.

Kevin harvick does amazing burnouts.

[Dylan]

MY JUNIOR WON!!!!

Hendrick will give him a big hug!!! Jr drivin for the best

CHEVY'S ARE BACK!!!!

[Dylan]

Skip Towne:

Take notes before you settle on a driver... I might be able to sell you on Jr. Lil' E (Dale Jr) is one of the most respected guys in Nascar

[Dylan]

where did everybody go? :crybaby:

(my nascar chiefplanet friends) "well, my driver didn't win..." click goes the TV... (my nascar chiefplanet friends)

[Bugeater]

Damn, would've been nice if Jr would've ran out of gas, I would've picked up a few hundred in casino cash. Well I hope Jr nation enjoyed their collective orgasm.

[kcxiv]

Damn, would've been nice if Jr would've ran out of gas, I would've picked up a few hundred in casino cash. Well I hope Jr nation enjoyed their collective orgasm.

First win in 2 years, they had multiples then collapsed.

[KCTitus]

Skip Towne:

Take notes before you settle on a driver... I might be able to sell you on Jr. Lil' E (Dale Jr) is one of the most respected guys in Nascar

Ummm..no...it's more like:

Jr's in the lead, fortunate caution comes out while low on gas...run necessary caution laps then go GWC...

On the last lap, have some flunkies wreck assuring the Jr. win...

Danica-lite...that's impressive and Nascar gets 500k in extra profit from advertisers.

It's almost like watching summer slam on WWE.

[kcxiv]

He would have probably won if he didnt run out of gas anyways. He shot out and built a pretty good little lead in just 1 lap. Barring him not running out of gas, he would have won.

I am no JR fan. I like Labonte, Stewart and Kyle Busch in that order, so i am not on the JR bandwagon.

[KCTitus]

there's no way Jr was not winning that race...even if he ran out of gas

[Dylan]

Ummm..no...it's more like:

Jr's in the lead, fortunate caution comes out while low on gas...run necessary caution laps then go GWC...

On the last lap, have some flunkies wreck assuring the Jr. win...

Danica-lite...that's impressive and Nascar gets 500k in extra profit from advertisers.

It's almost like watching summer slam on WWE.

It took Danica-lite 10 years to finally win some little race in Japan. I'm glad you got the "lite" part right. :thumb:


don't be mad, just having a little fun...

[smittysbar]

how and were is carl?Posted via Mobile Device

[KCTitus]

It took Danica-lite 10 years to finally win some little race in Japan. I'm glad you got the "lite" part right. :thumb:


don't be mad, just having a little fun...

again...off a fuel strat and a bunch of cautions.


Yeah, that's RACIN!!!!

[Bugeater]

how and were is carl?Posted via Mobile Device

Finished 7th. Posted via Desktop PC

[kstater]

Finished 7th. Posted via Desktop PC

LMAO

[2112]

Finished 7th. Posted via Desktop PC

ROFL

[smittysbar]

Congrats Dylan you guy got the win.

[Dylan]

Here's what happened at the end of the race: Fuel strategy tracks are exciting to watch -- as long as your driver had enough fuel to finish the race.

When the caution came out following Sam Hornish's spin. Dale's crew chief told him to turn off the motor, coast and restart it on the green-white flag. Kasey also was low on fuel. The final caution came when the #1 (I think) got loose and hit the #55, who then got into the #10. The crash started on the cross/finish line. Nascar had no choice but to throw the caution. The leaders were racing towards the #10.

Watch Mikey Waltrip mow the lawn on the replay.

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[Dylan]

Congrats Dylan you guy got the win.

Oh thank you! :D


Carl was the driver to watch. He leads in wins here. Next week is a road course... Drama at its best... LMAO

[Dylan]

Skip Towne:

Kevin Harvick and Tony Stewart are two of Nascar's most aggressive drivers in Nascar. Kevin takes it to another level. He was the first driver that had been suspended by Nascar. Feuds are settled on the track. Drivers emotions never stay in check for long.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/8219190/Darnell-beats-Benson-in-photo-finish-at-Michigan

Ron Hornaday Jr., who came into the race leading the points, was spun out by Kyle Busch on the last lap, raising a huge cloud of white smoke that the whole back of the field had to drive through. But Hornaday remained low on the track and NASCAR left the green flag out to the end.

Hornaday, who began the last lap in the 100-lap event seventh, wound up 23rd, the last truck on the lead lap. He fell to third in the standings, with Benson, new runner-up Bodine and Hornaday separated by just 21 points.
After the race, Hornaday and car owner Kevin Harvick sought out Busch in the garage and there was some yelling and finger pointing among the trio before things calmed down.

"He just drove into me because he got mad because I took us four wide and passed him cleanly," Hornaday said. "Halfway through the race, he showed me he was upset because he lifted the back of the truck up. If he is going to race that way, that is pretty chicken. He doesn't deserve to be a racer.

"He has a lot of talent, but that is just flat stupid. ... I don't knock any other driver, but I will tell you what, that kid has just about done wore me out. I don't know if I have to give up this championship to teach him a lesson. I hope I don't hurt him because, if Joe Gibbs lets him do this, I am ashamed for them."

Busch, who got started on another weekend tripleheader with a seventh-place finish, said the bump wasn't payback for an incident this year in Charlotte.

"I just got into him. Sorry about that," Busch said before Saturday night's Nationwide Series race at Kentucky Speedway. "But remarks from Harvick and Hornaday are what they're going to be, they're big mouths anyway and so we'll take it and get on with it and hopefully beat them out for this championship."

[smittysbar]

About time someone did something. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall during that conversation. To bad they didn't give him a pop knot on his forehead. I can't stand that little piece of shit.

[Dylan]

smittysbar: I would rather take my chances going up against Ron Hornaday than Kevin "Loose Cannon" Harvick.

Do you remember this fight? One of my favorites. LMAO

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[Spott]

Jr getting this win kind of makes up for a few weeks ago when Hamlin stayed on the track with a flat tire forcing a caution and allowing Busch to catch up to Jr on the restart.

[smittysbar]

smittysbar: I would rather take my chances going up against Ron Hornaday than Kevin "Loose Cannon" Harvick.

Do you remember this fight? One of my favorites. LMAO


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Yeah that was a good one. I wish nascar would get in there a little closer with there cameras. They have to know that this kind of stuff boosts ratings, but they always shy away from showing any confrontations.

[Dylan]

R.I.P.. ESPN2 cut to Old Bridge Raceway in New Jersey. Champion Scott Kalitta was killed in a fiery crash during a drag race today. Ah... drivers are crying... ESPN2 is showing the crash -

Witnesses said the driver, Scott Kalitta, was speeding at an estimated 300 mph during the National Hot Rod Association Super Nationals when the engine of his Toyota Solara exploded in a ball of flames.

Speeding?


Nascar National at Milwaukee starts in about 10 minutes. But I'm not sure if ESPN is finished showing the crash for the 100th time.

I love when the announcers say, ""He died doing what he loved best." -- not if he knew he was going to die. Geesh

[Dylan]

NASCAR Nationwide Series
Saturday, June 21st
5:30 pm et / ESPN2

Four Cup drivers racing tonight at Milwaukee Mile: Carl Edwards, David Ragan Clint Boyer and David Reutimann. Cup drivers return next week.

The Roush boys are holding up the race -- their helicopter just landed. They should have started the race without them. The race will be half over and ESPN will be moving on to the next sport. you know how that goes.

http://milwaukeemile.com/admin/contentRotator/r.asp?u=/images/mile_crowd.jpg

[Bugeater]

Heh, Lagano just introduced himself to Brad Keselowski. Things could get interesting here...

[Silock]

R.I.P.. ESPN2 cut to Old Bridge Raceway in New Jersey. Champion Scott Kalitta was killed in a fiery crash during a drag race today. Ah... drivers are crying... ESPN2 is showing the crash -



Speeding?


Nascar National at Milwaukee starts in about 10 minutes. But I'm not sure if ESPN is finished showing the crash for the 100th time.

I love when the announcers say, ""He died doing what he loved best." -- not if he knew he was going to die. Geesh

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[Dylan]

As violent as the first explosion was I'm not sure that he wasn't gone before he hit the wall. I noticed the chute was trailing behind but never deployed. Kalitta was apparently knocked out by the engine explosion or something as he never applied the brakes.

The car was going at full speed when it leaped over the catch fence and then impacted the wall and exploded.

R.I.P. ...doin' what you loved best.

[Dylan]

Heh, Lagano just introduced himself to Brad Keselowski. Things could get interesting here...

Is there anybody that hasn't had issues with Logano last night?

He can't even get out of his pit stall. He hit three cars coming in and out of his pit stall - and damaged about 20 more on the track.

Do you see him get underneath Carl Edwards? He also hit Clint Bowyer. He hit Reitumann and I believe he caused a three car accident.

I hate that Logano wrecked Brad Keselowshissskyhshy racing side by side for the lead. Brad is currently 2nd in points. While all the talk over the last two weeks has been about Logano, the driver thats moving on is Kesolowshikdisy.

Logano has a fast race car, but doesn't have a clue of everything that's going on around him.

Did you hear Rusty Wallace saying that Logano needs a lot of room around him in order to race? He got that right.

[Bugeater]

As violent as the first explosion was I'm not sure that he wasn't gone before he hit the wall. I noticed the chute was trailing behind but never deployed. Kalitta was apparently knocked out by the engine explosion or something as he never applied the brakes.

The car was going at full speed when it leaped over the catch fence and then impacted the wall and exploded.

R.I.P. ...doin' what you loved best.
Catch fence? I didn't see anything other than a concrete barrier at the end of the dragstrip. Sheesh, mix in some hay bales or something...

[smittysbar]

Well missed the race last night. Sounds like Joey is the next Juan.

[Bugeater]

Well missed the race last night. Sounds like Joey is the next Juan.
You didn't miss much. This has been a boring stretch of races as of late, and a road course today...ugh. Luckily Daytona and Indy are coming up soon.

[Dylan]

Smittysbar: -- Congratulations on Carl's win at Milwaukee Mile!

Road Course Race in Sonoma, Cali
Infineon | 3:30 p.m. ET Sun. | TNT

There are two ways to get around a road course. You can be a wild man or just muscle through the track.

Because there are only single-file restarts, track position is important. Tires are important, too, but as a crew chief, your main job is to make sure your driver races his own race. You have to race your lines and race the track.
You want to come to pit road at Lap 75 or so, and then you almost want to pack up your pit box because you don't want to be tempted to come back in. You don't want to give up any spot if you can prevent it.

Starting position means a lot because passing is so difficult, and single-file restarts make it tough to make up positions.

This course has 11 turns and a lot of elevation changes, so drivers go up and down hills and take some really tight left and right turns. On ovals, you beat people coming off the turns, but on this track, you have to outdrive them going into a turn.

Most of the turns are righthanders. Turn 1 is a lefthand turn. It's more of a high-speed dogleg than a corner. It's right past the start-finish line, and you carry a lot of speed into it. But the majority of passing is done on the righthand turns, so that's what you have to focus on.

[smittysbar]

Smittysbar: -- Congratulations on Carl's win at Milwaukee Mile!

Road Course Race in Sonoma, Cali
Infineon | 3:30 p.m. ET Sun. | TNT

Oh shit, haven't looked up the results yet. Hell Yeah, didn't realize that he won last night.....wooooooooooo woooooooooooo

Back flips are free around here

[Dylan]

Road Courses are hysterical... the crash below is not...

This happened a couple of years ago at Sonoma. I think Dead Dale saved him

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"Here hold my rod"

[Dylan]

Smittysbar:

You don't like Juan Pablo Montoya? He's great.

JPM is the most skilled and talented driver to hit NA$CAR since Dale Pablo Earnhardt, Sr.

[Dylan]

Talking about Montoya. This took place at Watkins Glen, also a road course track .

This happened in 2007 on Road Rage Twisted Turn! Unbelieveable.

Kevin "Loose Cannon" Harvick and Juan Pablo Montoya. He didn't even cause the wreck, Martin Truex, Jr hit Happy from behind. Listen to the Montoya's crew chief telling him to get back in the car. ... lol Every week it's something else. ... LMAO

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"I don't think Harvick wants to school him, Montoya is a kung fu expert and he would kick his ass from here to kingdom come." - Felix Sabates, owner #42

[smittysbar]

Smittysbar:

You don't like Juan Pablo Montoya? He's great.

JPM is the most skilled and talented driver to hit NA$CAR since Dale Pablo Earnhardt, Sr.

LOL, no I don't like him, but he brings good drama about every where he goes.

Just watched the videos on Nascar.com. Carl wouldn't do a back flip because he didn't like the way he passed Boyer. Man is this guy not a class act? Boyer wasn't happy about it, but he was in the same situation earlier in the race with Wallace.

[Midnight_Vulture]

Racin is for rednecks

[Bugeater]

Oh shit, haven't looked up the results yet. Hell Yeah, didn't realize that he won last night.....wooooooooooo woooooooooooo

Back flips are free around here
ROFL Oh yeah, that's right you're an EdHead. In that case you did miss something.

[smittysbar]

ROFL Oh yeah, that's right you're an EdHead. In that case you did miss something.

About time he won in the NW series. New crew chief last night, Carl made Jack look like the smartest man alive.

[smittysbar]

Talking about Montoya. This took place at Watkins Glen, also a road course track .

This happened in 2007 on Road Rage Twisted Turn! Unbelieveable.

Kevin "Loose Cannon" Harvick and Juan Pablo Montoya. He didn't even cause the wreck, Martin Truex, Jr hit Happy from behind. Listen to the Montoya's crew chief telling him to get back in the car. ... lol Every week it's something else. ... LMAO


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"I don't think Harvick wants to school him, Montoya is a kung fu expert and he would kick his ass from here to kingdom come." - Felix Sabates, owner #42

One of my favorites! Harvick confronts him, Juan is like get the **** out of my face, starts pushing Harvick. Harvick doesn't do shit, until an official comes over and gets between them then he is like "oh hold me back". IMO Harvick made himself look like a big pussy.

[Dylan]

Skip Towne: Hopefully you can watch some of today's race.

There has been a clash between Formula One and Nascar for years. Many of our current drivers have a background in open wheel. The names that come to mind: Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Casey Mears, Robby Gordon, Tony Stewart, Allmidinger (sp), J.J. Yelley, Kasey Kahne. Even two of our team owners Chip Ganassi & Roger Penske are really open wheel owners. Currently we have Champions Sam Hornish, Jr, Dario Francetti (sp) that come to mind.

Former McLaren driver Juan Pablo Montoya crossed over into Nascar in 2007. While Michael Schumacker called Nascar boring other Formula One drivers thought it was a great move.

Montoya is hands down in my opinion the most talented driver on the circuit. What he lacks is equipment. Last year, he put on the road course show that Nascar fans will never forget. He's the first driver to ever start in the 32nd position and win the race. Usually, in order to win at Sonoma a driver can start no higher that 13th.

got to run to the store. hope it makes sense

[Dylan]

Did I miss anything?

nobody's here?

can someone please pass me a piece of BBQ chicken .

Damn Tony stalled in his pit.

Robby Gorden Strikes! On no I think he hit Carl...

I just turned on the TV. Asscar just stopped Kasey at the end of pit road... Big guy is standing in front his car so he doesn't move... lol

Ut oh, Nascar' getting ready to stop someone else. It's going to get ugly.

[smittysbar]

Just got in

[kcxiv]

Been watching it on and off, but doing things around the house today. Its getting close to the end, so i gotta sit my ass down and watch the rest of the race.

[smittysbar]

me to

[smittysbar]

man he hit hard

[Dylan]

Dale Jr. said to his CC, "Tell Juan To Go, He's A Pro" LMAO

Jr hates this track.

Reutimann has a tire go down in a turn sending him into the wall hard.

What move by Stewart... against McMurray

HARVICK TOOK OUT 1/2 THE FIELD.

[Dylan]

man he hit hard

Hey!

WTH was Kevin thinking????

[Dylan]

Wow.... Montoya is back ... where is he? I though he moved into second... I hate when they change the color of their cars

Where's the Shrub Bush?

[kcxiv]

I dont know what the **** Harvick was thinking there. I bet we get to hear some good rants from Stewart after the race.

[Dylan]

Freakin Kyle's going to win this race?

Good - Hamlin takes a spin

[Dylan]

I dont know what the **** Harvick was thinking there. I bet we get to hear some good rants from Stewart after the race.

lol... we'll find out as soon as the race is over and they interview him... LMAO

[smittysbar]

Tony is driving pissed lol

[smittysbar]

Carl is real fast but I guess he got screwed on pit road or something

[smittysbar]

well this is fun.....................

[Dylan]

Tony and is not going to slow down for anyone

Wasn't it Harvick that just last week was all over Kyle for driving too aggressive and spinning Hornaday

Red Flag... We'll be here a while.

[smittysbar]

Tony and is not going to slow down for anyone

Wasn't it Harvick that just last week was all over Kyle for driving too aggressive and spinning Hornaday

Red Flag... We'll be here a while.

Yeah that's funny. Got pretty crazy these last laps. Bet there is another wreck before it's over.

[Dylan]

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Last year @ Sonoma LMAO Turn up the volume and listen to Petty

[Bugeater]

Harvick is a fuggin' dipshit. :shake:

[Dylan]

I think they'll have at least 2 more cautions lol

[smittysbar]

here we go

[smittysbar]

Harvick is a fuggin' dipshit. :shake:

didn't think you would like that

[Dylan]

what happened I have a black screen...OMG

[smittysbar]

sadler is going to try and restart with a flat rear tire

[Dylan]

Come on Jeff... Move Gilliland to the side...

[Bugeater]

didn't think you would like that
Tony has had some unbelievably shitty luck this year.

what happened I have a black screen...OMG
Still have it here.

[Dylan]

Let's go Gilliland

[Dylan]

Tony has had some unbelievably shitty luck this year.


Still have it here.

Thanks to Gibbs racing. The good chit in under Kyle's car.

[Bugeater]

Kyle is looking more and more like a guy on a run to a championship. Good recovery for Tony finishing 10th.

[smittysbar]

god i can't stand kyle

[Bugeater]

god i can't stand kyle

Neither can I but he scored a few points with me by driving into victory lane on a rim. That was fresh.

[smittysbar]

Neither can I but he scored a few points with me by driving into victory lane on a rim.

yeah me too

[smittysbar]

tony is such a dick