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Al Bundy
03-03-2008, 10:45 PM
http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/
Griese traded to Bucs

Chicago Bears quarterback Brian Griese has been traded to the Bucs.

Terms of the deal were undisclosed, but it is believed to be for a second-day draft pick in 2009. Griese was owed a $300,000 roster bonus Tuesday, prompting the Bears to part ways with their veteran backup. Rather than risk bidding for him in free agency, the Bucs completed a trade.

It's Griese's second stint with Tampa Bay. He quarterbacked the Bucs to a 5-1 start in 2005 before suffering a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his knee. Chris Simms went 6-5 down the stretch, leading the Bucs to the playoffs before a loss to Washington in the NFC wildcard game. In two seasons, Griese completed 345-of-510 (67.6 percent) of his passes for 3,768 yards with 27 touchdowns and 19 interceptions.

Following the '05 season, the Bucs were unable to renegoiate Griese's contract and he became a salary cap casualty, signing with the Bears.

Ironically, the trade for Griese leaves Simms' future with the Bucs in doubt. He has not played a meaningful snap in about 16 months since undergoing a splenectomy and could be traded or released. The Bucs also have Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown. Bruce Gradkowski and Jake Plummer under contract.

The Bucs and Broncos have filed a grievance against Plummer, hoping to recoup more than $7-million in signing bonus.

Simms would appear to be the odd man out. Griese and McCown will battle it out for the No. 2 spot and Gradkowski will have to improve his play to return for a third season.

Griese, who turns 33 this month, started six games last year for the Bears and finished with a 3-3 record. His season ended after he suffered a minor shoulder injury Nov. 11 at Oakland and did not play again.

""He likes (Jon) Gruden and he was obviously very successful there,'' agent Ralph Cindrich said. ""During the course of this deal, they let it be known they had tried to trade for him a couple times over the last few years.''

Griese has three years remaining on his contract and will receive a base salary of $1.4-million in 2008, $1.8-million in 2009 and $2.2-million in 2010. Cindrich said Griese could earn an additional $1.5-million next season if he becomes the starter. The Bucs are on the hook to pay Griese's $300,000 roster bonus Tuesday.

pr_capone
03-03-2008, 10:48 PM
Ya know.... burst spleen aside. If Simms gets cut, I would not mind seeing him show up at 1 Arrowhead Drive to compete for the #2 spot. Perhaps even give Croyle a bit of a push.

Al Bundy
03-03-2008, 10:52 PM
pr, Chris Simms should be out of Tampa, he is the number 1 target of the Grudenista's. It used to be Mike Alstott, but now it is Simms. I hope he gets another chance somewhere with a real offense and a real offensive coordinator.

raybec 4
03-03-2008, 10:53 PM
5 fekkin QBs and none of them are any good, I would think given our situation and the one in Detroit that it's a stretch to call them the MOST incompetent. That is a tight race.

Dicky McElephant
03-03-2008, 11:20 PM
Ya know.... burst spleen aside. If Simms gets cut, I would not mind seeing him show up at 1 Arrowhead Drive to compete for the #2 spot. Perhaps even give Croyle a bit of a push.

I'm with you on that one. I wouldn't mind seeing Simms in a Chiefs jersey.

kcchiefsus
03-03-2008, 11:23 PM
I believe the title of "Worst GM/Head coach" in the league belongs to Carl Peterson/Herm Edwards.

Al Bundy
03-03-2008, 11:26 PM
I believe the title of "Worst GM/Head coach" in the league belongs to Carl Peterson/Herm Edwards.

Sorry, but Jon Gruden took a Superbowl team and destroyed it. What he lacks in actual ability he makes up for in ego. He is Carl Peterson with a superbowl ring. He has a hatred that he doesn't hide for the fanbase and for the community.

raybec 4
03-03-2008, 11:44 PM
Sorry, but Jon Gruden took a Superbowl team and destroyed it. What he lacks in actual ability he makes up for in ego. He is Carl Peterson with a superbowl ring. He has a hatred that he doesn't hide for the fanbase and for the community.

He has a ring, and the hatred for the fan base at 1 Arrowhead Drive is thinly veiled at best because if you recall most of us are not " True Fans " and we should all just " Get Over It".

Rausch
03-03-2008, 11:54 PM
He has a ring, and the hatred for the fan base at 1 Arrowhead Drive is thinly veiled at best because if you recall most of us are not " True Fans " and we should all just " Get Over It".

Bucs fans can suck it up because they've had a ring.

So can Donks fans.

So can the Pats fans.

In the end they have the memories most Chiefs fans don't. Cheating, stealing, breaking the rules, it doesn't matter. After the fact is irrelevant: you were there that super bowl sunday when you saw your team win.

After that it's all icing on the cake...

CoMoChief
03-04-2008, 12:01 AM
Sorry, but Jon Gruden took a Superbowl team and destroyed it. What he lacks in actual ability he makes up for in ego. He is Carl Peterson with a superbowl ring. He has a hatred that he doesn't hide for the fanbase and for the community.

He didn't destroy anything, that Buccs team was getting old, much like the Chiefs did except the Chiefs couldn't stop anyone on defense which eventually led to where we are now.

Chiefs_5627
03-04-2008, 12:04 AM
He didn't destroy anything, that Buccs team was getting old, much like the Chiefs did except the Chiefs couldn't stop anyone on defense which eventually led to where we are now.

Bingo.

Rain Man
03-04-2008, 12:33 AM
Sorry, but Jon Gruden took a Superbowl team and destroyed it. What he lacks in actual ability he makes up for in ego. He is Carl Peterson with a superbowl ring. He has a hatred that he doesn't hide for the fanbase and for the community.

You lost me at "with a Super Bowl ring".

Al Bundy
03-04-2008, 07:26 AM
He didn't destroy anything, that Buccs team was getting old, much like the Chiefs did except the Chiefs couldn't stop anyone on defense which eventually led to where we are now.

Except for the fact that Gruden cannot draft offense, he brought in over the hill Deese,Garner,Steussie and Garcia. I would trade Gruden, Garcia and Griese for Edwards and Croyle any day of the week. Trading what is now reparted a 6th round pick for a guy whou couldn't beat Grossman is just trying to sabotage a franchise. The Bucs should have fired Gruden after 06.

NaptownChief
03-04-2008, 08:44 AM
Sorry, but Jon Gruden took a Superbowl team and destroyed it. What he lacks in actual ability he makes up for in ego. He is Carl Peterson with a superbowl ring. He has a hatred that he doesn't hide for the fanbase and for the community.


He built a Super Bowl team in Oakland(which is one of the greatest accomplishments all time considering that mess of a franchise) and then won a ring with a team that Dungy couldn't come close to doing.

To think that even comes close to the incompentency that goes on in KC is silly.

pikesome
03-04-2008, 09:02 AM
Ya know.... burst spleen aside. If Simms gets cut, I would not mind seeing him show up at 1 Arrowhead Drive to compete for the #2 spot. Perhaps even give Croyle a bit of a push.

Jawohl!

htismaqe
03-04-2008, 09:08 AM
He built a Super Bowl team in Oakland(which is one of the greatest accomplishments all time considering that mess of a franchise) and then won a ring with a team that Dungy couldn't come close to doing.

To think that even comes close to the incompentency that goes on in KC is silly.

I wouldn't say that Dungy couldn't come close, they played in at least one NFC championship, no?

Reerun_KC
03-04-2008, 10:26 AM
Bruce Allen/Jon Gruden = most incompetent GM/Head coach in league.

Good Lord, if that is the case, what does that say about the Chiefs.... Our coaching and mgmt is truly pathetic at best... I would trade a superbowl victory for Herm and Carl any day....

jspchief
03-04-2008, 10:27 AM
Worst GM/Coach combo is Matt Millen + anyone.

pikesome
03-04-2008, 10:35 AM
Worst GM/Coach combo is Matt Millen + anyone.

How about whoever the Bidwills hire?

Reerun_KC
03-04-2008, 10:38 AM
Worst GM/Coach combo is Matt Millen + anyone.

Sad part is we are right on that level as well....

blueballs
03-04-2008, 12:03 PM
Dickey: New coach won’t fix Raiders

Lane Kiffin is yet another Raiders coach to find out winning under Al Davis is close to impossible. Mar 4, 2008 5:00 AM (6 hrs ago) by Glenn Dickey, The Examiner

SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - Lane Kiffin will soon be history — the betting among insiders is that he’ll be gone before next month’s draft — and the only question is his successor. Al Davis will hire from within, either defensive coordinator Rob Ryan or newly hired James Lofton. My money is on Lofton, who was twice interviewed by Davis for the head job in the past.

It’s a total turnaround from last year, when Kiffin was introduced as the new coach and Davis talked of their common history as Southern Cal assistants, seemingly seeing in Kiffin a version of himself at that age.

Davis also allowed Kiffin the ability to hire new assistants, which previous coaches could not, as well as allowing him to run an offense that is an offshoot of Bill Walsh’s system, not a Davis favorite.

Even then, though, there were hints of future discord when Davis overrode Kiffin’s preference for wide receiver Calvin Johnson to select quarterback JaMarcus Russell with the No. 1 overall pick.

Johnson caught 48 passes for 756 yards and four touchdowns as a rookie with the Detroit Lions. Russell did not sign with the Raiders until after the season had started and didn’t play until late in the season.

It’s much too early to pass judgment on that selection. Russell is a big talent and was a big playmaker in college, but there are disturbing signs. He reported so overweight that a woman reporter suggested he needed a bra. He got back down to his playing weight during the season, but there are reports that his weight has shot up again in the offseason. His focus on football seems less than complete.

He’ll be the starting quarterback, though, because the two quarterbacks who shared most of the playing time last season, Josh McCown and Daunte Culpepper, have left as free agents.

During the season, Davis observed as always but didn’t interfere. The Raiders were more competitive than they’d been the previous season, but still ended up with a 4-12 mark, which was right where they’ve been stuck the last five years, as they’ve compiled an NFL-worst 19-61 record.

Davis tried to get Kiffin to sign a resignation letter. Kiffin refused, but I’m sure the two sides are negotiating a settlement now.

Though Davis has always had the final word on club decisions, somebody else has done the public negotiating. No longer. Agents have said that he’s the one doing the negotiating, as he’s made two big deals, signing New York Giants safety Gibril Wilson, the San Jose native and City College of San Francisco alumnus, as a free agent and signing his own player, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly to a $50 million, seven-year contract with $18 million in guaranteed money.

The first deal was an excellent one. The Raiders can now move Michael Huff, who has been a disappointment at strong safety, to free safety, where he can better use his athleticism.

The second move was a real head-scratcher. Kelly has value because he can play either inside or outside, but he is coming off an ACL injury and he could have been retained at a much lower price.

Davis has clearly decided to roll the dice and show a skeptical football world that he still knows how to put a team together. You can count me among the skeptics. No matter who the new coach is, the Raiders will again hold up the rest of the league this fall.

Glenn Dickey has been covering Bay Area sports since 1963 and also writes on www.GlennDickey.com. E-mail him at glenndickey@hotmail.com.

NaptownChief
03-04-2008, 08:54 PM
I wouldn't say that Dungy couldn't come close, they played in at least one NFC championship, no?

Yes but that is two wins away from winning a Super Bowl....Heck if you get a bye that is coming up 2/3rds short. ;)