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Count Zarth
03-05-2008, 09:13 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/734995.html

Warpaint Illustrated caught up with Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards for an exclusive chat this week concerning the upcoming NFL draft, free agency, the rookie quarterback class of 2008 and new KC linebacker DeMorrio Williams.

WPI: How hard are you looking at offensive line and cornerback right now?

Herm Edwards: When you look at the draft I think it’s heavy in those areas. You just have to be diligent in looking for the correct guys that you feel can come in and fit your system and help you to be successful. When you look at this draft it’s pretty deep on offensive line and pretty deep on defensive backs, receivers. There are some guys out there that will have a great opportunity to come in here and compete for a starting job.

WPI: Talk about the approach you’re taking with free agency.

Edwards:We said we were going to build our team through the draft and be selective in the free agency market. There’s some guys we had targeted to go after, but it didn’t come to fruition. We got one of them and signed our punter back, at this point, but there’s a lot of things that will happen between now and the draft and even after the draft. I realize this and I think we realize this as an organization.

There’s a lot of things that’s going to happen between now and opening day. There’s always going to be some players all of a sudden in training camp, somebody who could be a veteran guy that they lose favor or someone young that’s playing pretty well and all of a sudden they want to get rid of the guy. So you’re going to have opportunities to pick up players. You just have to be patient enough and know that right now our real emphasis, we’re excited about the draft.

WPI: Does Darren McFadden (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3295116) intrigue you at all?

Edwards: He’s an excellent player, there’s no doubt about it. He’s a home run type of guy. I think a lot of people, they’re going on last year, what Adrian Peterson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3120585) brought to the table with Minnesota. A young guy, coming out of college, had a Pro Bowl year. This kid has a lot of potential, so any team that looks at this guy might feel like they’ve got a guy that can make the big play.

On the other side of it, you’re looking at the possibility of, if the partner is right, you can get out of that pick, too. You might have the ability to do that and pick up some more picks. This draft, for us, there’s a lot of good players who are going to be selected in the second and third round. It’s deeper than in the past because 47 juniors came out. You’re talking about another class of draft-eligible players, so that helps you too. But when you look at all these things, it’s who’s available when you draft. What players are still sitting there? We’ll have the ability to pick up some good players.

WPI: What has it been like working with Chan Gailey as he reviews offensive talent?

Edwards: His system and what he believes in doing, I think he understands the players he needs for him to be successful and for them to be successful. I think you want to create an environment, which we’re going to try to do around here, where players can come in and it’s not going to be too difficult for young players to come in and start and play. We’re going to create competition at a lot of different positions. Going into this training camp and the offseason, a lot of our players are going to realize, there’s going to be competition every day. That’s good for your football team.

WPI: Where does DeMorrio Williams fit in on defense?

Edwards: The thing we have with those four guys, especially the three, they’ve all played inside. [Derrick Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980133)] played inside, too, in college. All of those guys are athletic enough to play inside. That’s no knock on Napoleon. He’s the starter, he’s penciled in as the starter on this football team at this point. All of those guys have their starting positions, but what they have to do is compete to keep their positions. And that’s every year in football.

When you bring in a guy like this, the thing he brings to the table right now, he’s a young player, a guy we had targeted. He’ll help us on special teams, but he’s played. You’re talking about a linebacker who’s played in a lot of games, and been a productive player, so that helps you, too. You’re always look for the fourth or fifth guy. Can he eventually be a starter? Yeah. Is it this year? I don’t know that, but we gave him a contract to say if you do that, you’ll be compensated for it.

WPI: Talk about the rookie quarterback class.

Edwards: There are some guys out there that have potential. The one guy right now leading the pack is the kid from Boston College. Most people have him as the number one guy to go off the board. When that is, no one really knows. There’s a lot of speculation about where he’s going to go. Then you have about three or four other guys that different people feel different about. Some could go later in the first round, some could go in the second or third round, but they all have potential. There are some questions on the first guy – is he the franchise guy? Who knows.

We have three quarterbacks at this point in time, really four with Greene. Brodie played a lot for us last year, played in six games, showed some signs of what we think he can be as a quarterback. We like Thigpen. He got hurt, but showed a little bit of a flash in the one game he was in. We liked him coming out of college. And then we have Damon.

Am I saying we won’t look at quarterback? We’re going to look at every position. If we think we can upgrade or create more competition at that position, and a guy’s available and we’ve got him rated, we’ll take another one.

WPI: The draft process is changing to a shorter time period between picks. Do you like that?

Edwards: What happens is you overanalyze things. For us, it’s going to happen real fast in every round, because we’re picking early.

Bump
03-05-2008, 09:18 PM
sounds like Herm almost wants to trade down

Buehler445
03-05-2008, 09:22 PM
Sounds like Herm wants to start Harris. I don't know shit about Williams, but I was holding out hope that he was head and shoulders above Harris.

Mecca
03-05-2008, 09:38 PM
They are going out of their way to tell all the offensive line homers that the depth makes it stupid to take one first same with corner....

Tribal Warfare
03-05-2008, 09:55 PM
But when you look at all these things, it’s who’s available when you draft. What players are still sitting there? We’ll have the ability to pick up some good players.

IMO, he's advocating the BPA bigtime

Direckshun
03-05-2008, 09:55 PM
C'mon, Herm. Put Williams in.

Absolutely no reason to start Harris and Edwards this year.

boogblaster
03-05-2008, 09:55 PM
All of a sudden coach can't coach well ....

Zouk
03-05-2008, 10:11 PM
sounds like Herm almost wants to trade down

According to the draft value chart, Dallas' 2 round 1 picks and their 2nd round pick for #5 and our 5th rounder is fair. That would be perfect for the Chiefs.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/valuechart.html

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-05-2008, 10:13 PM
Herm's just placating Harris, but I think he knows damn good and well that if he plays like the pussy shit bitch he was last year, his ass will either be glued to the pine or out of a job.

Hydrae
03-05-2008, 10:13 PM
According to the draft value chart, Dallas' 2 round 1 picks and their 2nd round pick for #5 and our 5th rounder is fair. That would be perfect for the Chiefs.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/valuechart.html

That would be lovely!

Hydrae
03-05-2008, 10:15 PM
They are going out of their way to tell all the offensive line homers that the depth makes it stupid to take one first same with corner....

My first thought reading this was that he wants a WR in the first two rounds. :shrug:

Mecca
03-05-2008, 10:16 PM
Trading out of a top 5 pick for picks in the 20's......brilliant.......let's trade our shot at an elite player for some guys who might be alright...

It is the Chiefs way isn't it.....we don't need any great players we just wanna be ok.

Mecca
03-05-2008, 10:16 PM
My first thought reading this was that he wants a WR in the first two rounds. :shrug:

I think this is a really really bad WR draft....

Hydrae
03-05-2008, 10:26 PM
Trading out of a top 5 pick for picks in the 20's......brilliant.......let's trade our shot at an elite player for some guys who might be alright...

It is the Chiefs way isn't it.....we don't need any great players we just wanna be ok.

Dafting at the top is no guarantee either. But 4 picks in the first 50 or 60 gives you some damned good odds of finding one or more very good if not great players.

And again, it does depend on who is there when we get on the clock.

T-post Tom
03-05-2008, 10:27 PM
Anything that any NFL coach says about the draft should be taken with a grain of salt. None of them want to tip their hand. That said, I think the real measure of the draft will be determined by the Peterson/Edwards battle of wills. Hopefully, Edwards wins as he's a better judge of talent. At least on defense.

Mecca
03-05-2008, 10:32 PM
Give me teams that dropped out of the top 10 to go that far down that still drafted well....because I can give you a couple that did it that missed out on a premier player and have shit to show for it...

Hydrae
03-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Give me teams that dropped out of the top 10 to go that far down that still drafted well....because I can give you a couple that did it that missed out on a premier player and have shit to show for it...

Sorry, I don't follow college ball so the draft really is not a discussion I should even try to get in to. Just throwing in my $.02 from the sidelines. 4 picks in 2 rounds sounds like a stronger bet then 2 picks. And I truely do not think that the difference between #5 and #10 (I don't know what the picks are that Dallas has) is that huge but that is just me. Especially over the course of a career.

RustShack
03-05-2008, 10:36 PM
They aren't going to hand the job to Williams, they want him to earn it. Which I might add, he probably will. If you just hand someone the job they often don't try as hard. Either way I see all four getting a good amount of snaps in.

Mecca
03-05-2008, 10:38 PM
Sorry, I don't follow college ball so the draft really is not a discussion I should even try to get in to. Just throwing in my $.02 from the sidelines. 4 picks in 2 rounds sounds like a stronger bet then 2 picks. And I truely do not think that the difference between #5 and #10 (I don't know what the picks are that Dallas has) is that huge but that is just me. Especially over the course of a career.

The Cowboys 1st pick is at 21...it's a significant drop.

Zouk
03-05-2008, 10:41 PM
Give me teams that dropped out of the top 10 to go that far down that still drafted well....because I can give you a couple that did it that missed out on a premier player and have shit to show for it...

I just checked back to 2000 and no trade like that happened in that period. Please give the examples you were thinking of.

Of course by your theory all NFL teams should be bidding up top 5 picks since the chance to get an elite player is so valuable. In reality the opposite is happening to such an extent that the trade chart is being re-done.

Mecca
03-05-2008, 10:48 PM
I don't know trade particulars but I'll use this as an example....Arizona went from 6th where they could have stayed and taken home town stud Terrell Suggs or Kevin Williams or Marcus Trufant....

They traded down and got 2 better picks than we'd get from Dallas in 17 and 18...Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace....

And if you just compare the 2003 draft the top 16 is far better than the bottom 16 so this elite player theory does hold merit.

Mecca
03-05-2008, 10:51 PM
In the same 2003 draft Chicago was 4th and traded down to get 2 first round picks...after some more manuerving those picks ended up being 13 and 22 once again better than what we'd get from Dallas...

The 2 players they selected...Mike Haynes and Rex Grossman..

This trading down theory doesn't hold nearly as much good merit as some think...

Zouk
03-05-2008, 10:59 PM
Here's what would have happened if this trade occurred over the last 3 years. It's not as clear cut as you think. For a team looking to add lots of young core players, the multiple day 1 picks are often worth it.


2007

Pick 5- Levi Brown
Pick 142 - Steve Breaston

Pick 22 - Brady Quinn
Pick 28 - Joe Staley
Pick 61 - Gerald Alexander

2006

Pick 5 - AJ Hawk
Pick 142- Brandon Johnson

Pick 22- Manny Lawson
Pick 28-Marcedes Lewis
Pick 61 - Tony Scheffler

2005

Pick 5 - Cadillac Williams
Pick 142 - Damien Nash

Pick 22 - Mark Clayton
Pick 28 - Luis Castillo
Pick 61 - Vincent Jackson

rad
03-06-2008, 04:59 AM
In the same 2003 draft Chicago was 4th and traded down to get 2 first round picks...after some more manuerving those picks ended up being 13 and 22 once again better than what we'd get from Dallas...

The 2 players they selected...Mike Haynes and Rex Grossman..

This trading down theory doesn't hold nearly as much good merit as some think...

In theory.

But isn't every draft class different? Wouldn't you say the talent slopes at different angles every year? Maybe some years it's better to go for quantity over quality.

I'm not saying I agree with this, just sayin'....

Spicy McHaggis
03-06-2008, 06:24 AM
The 2 players they selected...Mike Haynes and Rex Grossman..

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not so loud. You want Sexy Rexy to unleash the dragon?

Hog Farmer
03-06-2008, 06:36 AM
My gut feeling is we will trade down mainly because Carl doesn't want to have to pay top 5 pick money!

Chiefnj2
03-06-2008, 07:53 AM
If you are rebuilding you take the two firsts and a 2nd round pick in exchange for the #5.

With two firsts and two seconds you could walk out of the first day of the draft with 4 of these guys:

CB - Cromartie/Jenkins
OL - Albert/Williams/Nicks
WR - Kelly/Thomas/Caldwell
DT - Laws/Bryant
DE - Groves/Campbell
S - Philips/Smith
QB - Brohm/Henne

HemiEd
03-06-2008, 08:42 AM
Trading out of a top 5 pick for picks in the 20's......brilliant.......let's trade our shot at an elite player for some guys who might be alright...

It is the Chiefs way isn't it.....we don't need any great players we just wanna be ok.

I agree, they need to pick a player that can make a difference, a stud.

HemiEd
03-06-2008, 08:49 AM
If you are rebuilding you take the two firsts and a 2nd round pick in exchange for the #5.

With two firsts and two seconds you could walk out of the first day of the draft with 4 of these guys:

CB - Cromartie/Jenkins
OL - Albert/Williams/Nicks
WR - Kelly/Thomas/Caldwell
DT - Laws/Bryant
DE - Groves/Campbell
S - Philips/Smith
QB - Brohm/Henne

Do you think our astute staff has the gray matter to pull something like that off? IIRC, the last time Carl traded down, it was with Detroit and the Chiefs ended up with Siavii.

Pestilence
03-06-2008, 09:21 AM
Do you think our astute staff has the gray matter to pull something like that off? IIRC, the last time Carl traded down, it was with Detroit and the Chiefs ended up with Siavii.

And check out this amazing trade down.

6) Kansas City traded the No. 16 pick to Pittsburgh in exchange for the No. 27, No. 92 and No. 200 picks. With the No. 16 pick, Pittsburgh drafted USC S Troy Polamalu. Kansas City drafted Penn State RB Larry Johnson with the No. 27 pick, Tennessee CB Julian Battle with the No. 92 pick and traded the No. 200 pick (see #17 below).

17) Kansas City traded the No. 150 and No. 200 picks to the N.Y. Jets in exchange for the No. 153 and No. 189 picks. The N.Y. Jets drafted Miami (Fla.) DT Matthew Walters with the No. 150 pick and Wisconsin QB Brooks Bollinger with the No. 200 pick. Kansas City drafted Notre Dame OT Jordan Black with the No. 153 pick and Oklahoma DE Jimmy Wilkerson with the No. 189 pick.

jAZ
03-06-2008, 10:17 AM
WPI: The draft process is changing to a shorter time period between picks. Do you like that?

Edwards: What happens is you overanalyze things. For us, it’s going to happen real fast in every round, because we’re picking early.
Does time move at a different pace at the front of each round?

Delano
03-06-2008, 10:20 AM
Does time move at a different pace at the front of each round?

Less time to re-align their draft board???

I didn't get that either.

Micjones
03-06-2008, 11:01 AM
Harris played well when we got solid play from the Defensive Tackles.
Cover 2 isn't traditionally good at stopping the run.

Once guys like Boone wore down, from too many reps, we saw a decline in the play of all of our LB's. Especially Harris.

I'm fine with him keeping the starting job.
Williams can spell the LB's and eventually take over for Edwards.

Pneuma
03-06-2008, 11:01 AM
I think we will pick @ 5 for a DT or Long. Try to trade out if Ellis and Dorsey are gone. Then target Brohm or Clady. I would like the Chiefs to eyeball cromartie as well.

afchiefs
03-06-2008, 12:19 PM
WPI: Talk about the rookie quarterback class.

Edwards: There are some guys out there that have potential. The one guy right now leading the pack is the kid from Boston College. Most people have him as the number one guy to go off the board. When that is, no one really knows. There’s a lot of speculation about where he’s going to go. Then you have about three or four other guys that different people feel different about. Some could go later in the first round, some could go in the second or third round, but they all have potential. There are some questions on the first guy – is he the franchise guy? Who knows.

We have three quarterbacks at this point in time, really four with Greene. Brodie played a lot for us last year, played in six games, showed some signs of what we think he can be as a quarterback. We like Thigpen. He got hurt, but showed a little bit of a flash in the one game he was in. We liked him coming out of college. And then we have Damon.

Am I saying we won’t look at quarterback? We’re going to look at every position. If we think we can upgrade or create more competition at that position, and a guy’s available and we’ve got him rated, we’ll take another one.



I've been out of town for a while. Did I miss something? When did we get greene back?

InChiefsHell
03-06-2008, 12:51 PM
WPI: Talk about the rookie quarterback class.

Edwards: There are some guys out there that have potential. The one guy right now leading the pack is the kid from Boston College. Most people have him as the number one guy to go off the board. When that is, no one really knows. There’s a lot of speculation about where he’s going to go. Then you have about three or four other guys that different people feel different about. Some could go later in the first round, some could go in the second or third round, but they all have potential. There are some questions on the first guy – is he the franchise guy? Who knows.

We have three quarterbacks at this point in time, really four with Greene. Brodie played a lot for us last year, played in six games, showed some signs of what we think he can be as a quarterback. We like Thigpen. He got hurt, but showed a little bit of a flash in the one game he was in. We liked him coming out of college. And then we have Damon.

Am I saying we won’t look at quarterback? We’re going to look at every position. If we think we can upgrade or create more competition at that position, and a guy’s available and we’ve got him rated, we’ll take another one.



I've been out of town for a while. Did I miss something? When did we get greene back?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/david_greene/

Wrong Green...

Chris Meck
03-06-2008, 02:41 PM
Star players come from all over in the draft. I wouldn't see trading out of the #5 slot and picking up an extra first rounder as anything other than smart in our current situation.

Our team is lousy because we have poor talent at several key slots; we need as many first day picks as possible. IF the draft is as deep at OL and CB as they say, and you could get, say, a starting OT and a starting CB of good talent rather than ONE guy that was rated slightly higher (and that's what this is, really, a slightly higher rating in the first round, see?) then I think that helps the team more exponentially. It's not like lower first round talent is crappy and top 5 talent is hall-of-fame. It's a much more subtle difference than that.

But I kind of doubt that a trade will happen, and that's okay, too. I'm quite excited to see what we do. I know it's a minority opinion, but I think we're on the right track as an organization, and I think if we can get some offensive linemen to give Brodie some time and open some holes for LJ and Kolby we'll be better than people think.

but we'll see.

beach tribe
03-06-2008, 03:05 PM
Star players come from all over in the draft. I wouldn't see trading out of the #5 slot and picking up an extra first rounder as anything other than smart in our current situation.

Our team is lousy because we have poor talent at several key slots; we need as many first day picks as possible. IF the draft is as deep at OL and CB as they say, and you could get, say, a starting OT and a starting CB of good talent rather than ONE guy that was rated slightly higher (and that's what this is, really, a slightly higher rating in the first round, see?) then I think that helps the team more exponentially. It's not like lower first round talent is crappy and top 5 talent is hall-of-fame. It's a much more subtle difference than that.

But I kind of doubt that a trade will happen, and that's okay, too. I'm quite excited to see what we do. I know it's a minority opinion, but I think we're on the right track as an organization, and I think if we can get some offensive linemen to give Brodie some time and open some holes for LJ and Kolby we'll be better than people think.

but we'll see.
I tend to agree with you, but want one of those guys in the top 5(except the QB).

If we had the players(O-linemen) to utilize a power running game, play-action, ball control Offense, and kept our D fresh, I think some people would be very surprised with the results.

Look at me. The draft isn't even here, and already I'm putting the homer mask on.




I am serious though.

ArrowheadHawk
03-06-2008, 03:07 PM
I like the idea of trading the pick.

Halfcan
03-06-2008, 03:20 PM
wow herm kicks ass

MadMax
03-06-2008, 03:25 PM
Does time move at a different pace at the front of each round?


I thought I heard they changed the time limit on all rounds so amybe that's what his head is talking about?

MadMax
03-06-2008, 03:26 PM
wow herm kicks ass



Yes he do rofl He is approaching guru status you know.

MadMax
03-06-2008, 03:30 PM
My gut feeling is we will trade down mainly because Carl doesn't want to have to pay top 5 pick money!



WHAT? And then not to be able to showcase his skills as a hardassed negotiator? :D

Pestilence
03-06-2008, 03:31 PM
I thought I heard they changed the time limit on all rounds so amybe that's what his head is talking about?

He's probably wondering if we can take a timeout to challenge the last pick.

Halfcan
03-06-2008, 05:00 PM
demorrio-sounds like an STD for some reason??

"Man I had a bad case of Demorrio after I fugged that slutty chick at the bowling alley last night."