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Frankie
03-06-2008, 12:10 PM
If he is going to have a future with us will it be as a Tackle or Guard? Why? Frankly I'm rooting for the guy. Maybe it's only because I consider Taylor a Chiefs classic name due to Otis. But I want to see Herb succeed.

Sure-Oz
03-06-2008, 12:11 PM
Sounds like a folk singers name

BigChiefFan
03-06-2008, 12:12 PM
I just like him because he's young and could have a long future with us, if he develops into a quality starter.

chiefforlife
03-06-2008, 12:12 PM
I was/am excited about the guy. Given our record last year Im not sure why he wasnt given more playing time.

BigChiefFan
03-06-2008, 12:13 PM
Sounds like a folk singers name Or Peaches and Herb Taylor.:D

King_Chief_Fan
03-06-2008, 12:13 PM
If he is going to have a future with us will it be as a Tackle or Guard? Why? Frankly I'm rooting for the guy. Maybe it's only because I consider Taylor a Chiefs classic name due to Otis. But I want to see Herb succeed.

It won't matter because he is young. This is Herm's only requirement.

Sure-Oz
03-06-2008, 12:14 PM
Or Peaches and Herb Taylor.:D

ROFL

suds79
03-06-2008, 12:16 PM
I think Herb will get about another couple of years to prove something but I think he'll probably end up cut after that.

Do I hope he pans out? You bet. I love low round drafted guys who start or get a lot of PT.

But we will absolutely load up with better talent in the draft and the competition will be fierce.

Just the fact that Herb wasn't able to get on the field much at all last year with our bad O-line has me questioning him.

Who knows.

Woodrow Call
03-06-2008, 01:01 PM
I thought he looked pretty good in the Detroit game and seemed to have a solid career at TCU. I'd start him at RT and if he flops move him inside. From what I've seen in limited PT I think Herb and Niswanger, for that matter, have the potential to develop into solid starters.

Pestilence
03-06-2008, 01:06 PM
I'm hoping that at the very least he proves to be great depth.

DaKCMan AP
03-06-2008, 01:07 PM
It's all about the shades baby!

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/tcu/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/578439.jpeg

ct
03-06-2008, 01:09 PM
I thought he looked pretty good in the Detroit game and seemed to have a solid career at TCU. I'd start him at RT and if he flops move him inside. From what I've seen in limited PT I think Herb and Niswanger, for that matter, have the potential to develop into solid starters.

I think Herb and Rudy are tentative starters right now anyway. Perhaps if only by default.

kcchiefsus
03-06-2008, 01:20 PM
I think he moves inside to guard.

Direckshun
03-06-2008, 01:26 PM
Yeah I think our tentative line looks like this:

LT - McIntosh
LG - Waters
C - Niswanger
RG - Taylor
RT - Svitek

So... that entire right side and Rudy will be holding off an entire horde of potential suitors.

tooge
03-06-2008, 01:27 PM
He has great feet and if he could just get stronger which is certainly possible in his 2nd year in the NFl. I think he could certainly be a RT. He played left this past year, but not much and looked good

Easy 6
03-06-2008, 02:11 PM
He has great feet and if he could just get stronger which is certainly possible in his 2nd year in the NFl. I think he could certainly be a RT. He played left this past year, but not much and looked good

Strength definitely has to be his biggest knock, he needs lotsa weights & heaping portions of healthy food.

Like so many, he has potential...but i've seen too many, WAY too many Jeremy Parquets & Karen Crampsons blow through town lately...of course i'm rooting for Herb "Tarlek" Taylor, but SHOW ME.

DaneMcCloud
03-06-2008, 03:36 PM
If he is going to have a future with us will it be as a Tackle or Guard? Why? Frankly I'm rooting for the guy. Maybe it's only because I consider Taylor a Chiefs classic name due to Otis. But I want to see Herb succeed.

Yeah, that worked out really well for Lake Dawson, didn't it? :rolleyes:

If Taylor couldn't break into the most pathetic, weak-ass line in the history of the Chiefs, I doubt he'll be anything more than an average back-up lineman.

If that.

hollasin
03-06-2008, 03:40 PM
I was hoping for him to get some more playing time last year here is a lil piece about his offseason
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/story/2008/2/26/83633/9163

Iowanian
03-06-2008, 03:54 PM
nisawanger just doesn't look like a center, and truthfully, his body shape concerns me at guard. He appears pretty top heavy and a little weak in the legs to me.

Stallings has been on the team long enough to prove his sand, and he was cut last year before being brought back after all of the injuries, so I don't expect much of anything from him.

Taylor should have seen the field long before he did. He did alright, but I don't think anyone saw enough to know if he's a long term solution at T or G.

Buehler445
03-06-2008, 09:17 PM
I didn't watch much of when he was in so I can't give a good opinion.

But I hope he does well. As for him not seeing the field, I don't think we should give up on him quite yet. Brodie sat half the season for absolutely no reason. Because he didn't play doesn't necessarily mean that he was worse than the incumbant.

Frosty
03-06-2008, 10:09 PM
But I hope he does well. As for him not seeing the field, I don't think we should give up on him quite yet. Brodie sat half the season for absolutely no reason. Because he didn't play doesn't necessarily mean that he was worse than the incumbant.

Exactly. The Chiefs have new coaches, a new offensive system and are no longer in the "play the veterans at all costs" mode. I think everyone gets a fresh start here.

kcchiefsus
03-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Yeah, that worked out really well for Lake Dawson, didn't it? :rolleyes:

If Taylor couldn't break into the most pathetic, weak-ass line in the history of the Chiefs, I doubt he'll be anything more than an average back-up lineman.

If that.

He was a freaking rookie, and a 6th round pick at that. Since when is every single rookie ready to contribute his rookie season, regardless of the competition?

DaneMcCloud
03-06-2008, 10:36 PM
He was a freaking rookie, and a 6th round pick at that. Since when is every single rookie ready to contribute his rookie season, regardless of the competition?

Um, Szott did it as 7th rounder back in 1990. I don't have the time or the will to go through the history of the NFL draft to further prove my point but I can tell you that the 2007 Chiefs fielded the most pathetic offensive line in the history of their ball club, yet Taylor was unable to break through. That should tell you something, though apparently, you haven't put 2+2 together.

As I stated earlier (which you clearly skipped over), I'd be surprised if he becomes even an average backup lineman.

Chiefmanwillcatch
03-06-2008, 11:05 PM
Yeah I think our tentative line looks like this:

LT - McIntosh
LG - Waters
C - Niswanger
RG - Taylor
RT - Svitek

So... that entire right side and Rudy will be holding off an entire horde of potential suitors.

NOOooooo.

our 2nd pick will start at LT.

Shaid
03-06-2008, 11:06 PM
I had high hopes for him last year but we didn't see much. Maybe he'll turn into our blocking TE and replace Dunn? :shrug:

Extra Point
03-06-2008, 11:19 PM
I had high hopes for him last year but we didn't see much. Maybe he'll turn into our blocking TE and replace Dunn? :shrug:

I want what you're smoking. NOW!

keg in kc
03-06-2008, 11:20 PM
My opinion is that I have no idea. He hasn't played enough.

Frazod
03-06-2008, 11:22 PM
Sounds like a folk singers name

The captain of my ship was Herb Taylor. When I see that name, I automatically think of my old CO.

I'm pretty sure they're not the same person, though. :)

keg in kc
03-06-2008, 11:24 PM
The captain of my ship was Herb Taylor. When I see that name, I automatically think of my old CO.

I'm pretty sure they're not the same person, though. :)Maybe the one on the Chiefs ate yours.

TRR
03-06-2008, 11:29 PM
Yeah I think our tentative line looks like this:

LT - McIntosh
LG - Waters
C - Niswanger
RG - Taylor
RT - Svitek

So... that entire right side and Rudy will be holding off an entire horde of potential suitors.

If KC starts that OL in 2008, Brodie Croyle is going to get murdered, and they will be lucky to win a game.

kcchiefsus
03-07-2008, 12:09 AM
Um, Szott did it as 7th rounder back in 1990. I don't have the time or the will to go through the history of the NFL draft to further prove my point but I can tell you that the 2007 Chiefs fielded the most pathetic offensive line in the history of their ball club, yet Taylor was unable to break through. That should tell you something, though apparently, you haven't put 2+2 together.

As I stated earlier (which you clearly skipped over), I'd be surprised if he becomes even an average backup lineman.

So one 7th round pick did it so now every late round rookie is expected to be ready to contribute? That's bullcrap.

Look at it from a baseball perspective. Baseball is a very good example of a system where young players are often not ready to contribute right away, regardless of how good or bad a team is. Just because the Royals have been the worst team in baseball does not mean Alex Gordon should have come up to the big league roster his first year out of the draft.

Despite the lack of a minor league system the NFL is no different. Having the worst line in the NFL is no excuse for a rookie to be thrown into the action if he is not ready. For one reason or another, there is a reason Taylor was a 6th round pick. If he was ready to contribute right away he probably would have been a 1st day pick.

BigRock
03-07-2008, 12:21 AM
Herb Taylor is going to be awesome. In fact, how's this for confidence: if he isn't in the HOF one day, I'll come back here and quote this post and say "Boy, I was WAY off on that one".

I can put my money where my mouth is.

Shaid
03-07-2008, 12:46 AM
I want what you're smoking. NOW!

Hey, at the end wasn't Dunn basically just an extra Tackle anyways. Besides, we know how much the Chiefs love swapping players positions. :shake:

DaneMcCloud
03-07-2008, 01:27 AM
So one 7th round pick did it so now every late round rookie is expected to be ready to contribute? That's bullcrap.

Look at it from a baseball perspective. Baseball is a very good example of a system where young players are often not ready to contribute right away, regardless of how good or bad a team is. Just because the Royals have been the worst team in baseball does not mean Alex Gordon should have come up to the big league roster his first year out of the draft.

Despite the lack of a minor league system the NFL is no different. Having the worst line in the NFL is no excuse for a rookie to be thrown into the action if he is not ready. For one reason or another, there is a reason Taylor was a 6th round pick. If he was ready to contribute right away he probably would have been a 1st day pick.

Dude, you obviously can't read. And to compare MLB to the NFL is f*cking ludicrous.

There are tens of thousands of baseball players out there that may or may not make it to the big leagues over the course of their career. Compare that to maybe a few thousand men that will ever make it in the NFL just one year, let alone sit around on a roster for 10 years or more.

I f*king said I wasn't going to go through NFL draft history to prove a point. But I'll bet you $1,000 Casino cash that Herb Taylor isn't on an NFL roster by 2010.

There's a 90% chance he's a turd. Get used to it.

kcchiefsus
03-07-2008, 01:30 AM
Dude, you obviously can't read. And to compare MLB to the NFL is f*cking ludicrous.

There are tens of thousands of baseball players out there that may or may not make it to the big leagues over the course of their career. Compare that to maybe a few thousand men that will ever make it in the NFL just one year, let alone sit around on a roster for 10 years or more.

I f*king said I wasn't going to go through NFL draft history to prove a point. But I'll bet you $1,000 Casino cash that Herb Taylor isn't on an NFL roster by 2010.

There's a 90% chance he's a turd. Get used to it.

Your right, why bother with 2nd day draft picks who don't contribute their first year. Might as well make a rule that if they don't contribute their first year then they have to be released since they are guaranteed to be busts.

DaneMcCloud
03-07-2008, 02:32 AM
Your right, why bother with 2nd day draft picks who don't contribute their first year. Might as well make a rule that if they don't contribute their first year then they have to be released since they are guaranteed to be busts.

You're an annoying little stupid f*ck.

WTF is wrong with you? Do you really EXPECT Herb Taylor (or any 6th round draft choice) to be anything beyond an average back up player? Seriously? Or is it that after three posts where I stated that he'd be no more than an average back up player, you still don't get it?

Herb Taylor would be beating the odds, BIG TIME, if he's EVER anything more than an AVERAGE back up player.

Not a STARTER. Not a Pro Bowler. Not a HOFer.

An AVERAGE back up.

kcchiefsus
03-07-2008, 02:50 AM
You're an annoying little stupid f*ck.

WTF is wrong with you? Do you really EXPECT Herb Taylor (or any 6th round draft choice) to be anything beyond an average back up player? Seriously? Or is it that after three posts where I stated that he'd be no more than an average back up player, you still don't get it?

Herb Taylor would be beating the odds, BIG TIME, if he's EVER anything more than an AVERAGE back up player.

Not a STARTER. Not a Pro Bowler. Not a HOFer.

An AVERAGE back up.

Wow, your real tough talking trash on the internet. Internet bullies are hilarious.

Of course 6th round picks have a much lower chance of developing than higher round picks do. But I would argue that in every draft there are several players from each of the lower rounds who turn out to be steals. The 7th round in 2006 produced Marques Colston and Jarrad Page for example. I'm not arguing that Herb Taylor is going to be some great player. What I am arguing is that it is rediculous to already make an assumption on him based on his limited playing time. The fact that he couldn't break the starting lineup on a bad offensive line means nothing. Some players simply are not ready as rookies, simple as that.

What I do know however is that some have said he could have been a first day pick if he was only a couple inches taller. Unfortunately he isn't so he will never be your prototypical tackle. That is why he has been playing at guard as well. I also know that in limited playing time at left tackle last year he actually looked pretty good. But I guess that means nothing. It was just a fluke.

DaneMcCloud
03-07-2008, 02:54 AM
Your right, why bother with 2nd day draft picks who don't contribute their first year. Might as well make a rule that if they don't contribute their first year then they have to be released since they are guaranteed to be busts.

Additionally, how's Tre Stalling done? Svitek? Kevin Sampson? Brett Williams? Alex Sulfsted? Jordan Black? Darnell Alford? Eric King?

That a partial list of 2nd day players, all of whom (with the exception of Williams and I-65, who was taken in the 4th round & 5th round, respectively) were taken in either the 6th or 7th round of the NFL Draft?

Pretty impressive list, eh? Which of course bodes well for your lover, Herb Taylor. :rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud
03-07-2008, 02:58 AM
Wow, your real tough talking trash on the internet. Internet bullies are hilarious.

Of course 6th round picks have a much lower chance of developing than higher round picks do. But I would argue that in every draft there are several players from each of the lower rounds who turn out to be steals. The 7th round in 2006 produced Marques Colston and Jarrad Page for example. I'm not arguing that Herb Taylor is going to be some great player. What I am arguing is that it is rediculous to already make an assumption on him based on his limited playing time. The fact that he couldn't break the starting lineup on a bad offensive line means nothing. Some players simply are not ready as rookies, simple as that.

What I do know however is that some have said he could have been a first day pick if he was only a couple inches taller. Unfortunately he isn't so he will never be your prototypical tackle. That is why he has been playing at guard as well. I also know that in limited playing time at left tackle last year he actually looked pretty good. But I guess that means nothing. It was just a fluke.

No.

You're speculating, based on hopes and wishes.

I'm providing clear facts.

Herb Taylor wasn't trying to break into the 2005 KC Chiefs offensive line, which included 3 Pro Bowlers (and a should-have been 4th in Weigman who was deserving that year), he was trying to break into a line that featured a bunch of old, beat up, done and worn out players such as Turley, Welbourne, McIntosh, etc.

If he had the talent, size, whatever you want to call it, he'd be starting. But, he didn't.

As I've said now FOUR TIMES, he'll be LUCKY to be anything other than an average BACK-UP.

LUCKY.

kcchiefsus
03-07-2008, 03:15 AM
No.

You're speculating, based on hopes and wishes.

I'm providing clear facts.

Herb Taylor wasn't trying to break into the 2005 KC Chiefs offensive line, which included 3 Pro Bowlers (and a should-have been 4th in Weigman who was deserving that year), he was trying to break into a line that featured a bunch of old, beat up, done and worn out players such as Turley, Welbourne, McIntosh, etc.

If he had the talent, size, whatever you want to call it, he'd be starting. But, he didn't.

As I've said now FOUR TIMES, he'll be LUCKY to be anything other than an average BACK-UP.

LUCKY.

There is more than talent and size. There is something called technique. Players need experience. Why is it that a rookie quarterback is often unready to step in and play at a high level? It's because regardless of how talented they are they still have to adapt to this level of play. Again, as I have said countless times, not every player is ready to contribute right away.

It's really pointless arguing with you though because you are a ****ing idiot.

DaneMcCloud
03-07-2008, 03:27 AM
There is more than talent and size. There is something called technique. Players need experience. Why is it that a rookie quarterback is often unready to step in and play at a high level? It's because regardless of how talented they are they still have to adapt to this level of play. Again, as I have said countless times, not every player is ready to contribute right away.

It's really pointless arguing with you though because you are a ****ing idiot.

I've just given you nine examples of late round offensive line draft choices by the Chiefs alone that have failed (and that's not including your lover, Herb Taylor).

Yet somehow, I'm an "idiot". :rolleyes:

The real reason I'm an idiot is that I'm arguing with a 20 year-old who doesn't know jacksh*t about the NFL.

kcchiefsus
03-07-2008, 03:55 AM
I've just given you nine examples of late round offensive line draft choices by the Chiefs alone that have failed (and that's not including your lover, Herb Taylor).

Yet somehow, I'm an "idiot". :rolleyes:

The real reason I'm an idiot is that I'm arguing with a 20 year-old who doesn't know jacksh*t about the NFL.

Believing that those nine examples of late round offensive line draft choices by the Chiefs have anything to do with Herb Taylor is absurd and is a fallacy. And besides Stallings, none of those draft picks were picks of Herm Edwards. So they really have no use in this argument.

By your reasoning you could bring up the names of Ryan Sims, Eddie Freeman, Junior Siavii, and Eric Downing and say that any early round DT drafted by the Chiefs will be a bust.

The reason you are a ****ing idiot is because you have to result to name calling and saying your "lover, Herb Taylor." Judging by how childish you are I would think I was arguing with a 15 year old if I didn't know better. Of course, I guess I am now a ****ing idiot since I have stooped down to your level.

ChiefGator
03-07-2008, 07:38 AM
If there is one thing that can be said for Herb Taylor, it is that he evokes strong feelings in everyone. You either love the guy or hate him apparently. It's too bad he is soo devisive....

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 07:39 AM
If there is one thing that can be said for Herb Taylor, it is that he evokes strong feelings in everyone. You either love the guy or hate him apparently. It's too bad he is soo devisive....\

Herb Taylor is a divider, not a uniter.

Mecca
03-07-2008, 07:46 AM
If KC starts that OL in 2008, Brodie Croyle is going to get murdered, and they will be lucky to win a game.

That's probably going to happen regardless......Brodie Croyle is was and likely always will be made of glass.

DaneMcCloud
03-07-2008, 11:13 AM
Believing that those nine examples of late round offensive line draft choices by the Chiefs have anything to do with Herb Taylor is absurd and is a fallacy. And besides Stallings, none of those draft picks were picks of Herm Edwards. So they really have no use in this argument.

ROFL

So, I've given you hard facts about nine other second day offensive lineman selected by the Chiefs (as I mentioned earlier, I neither have the time or the desire to go through a decade of late-round offensive draft choices league-wide) to bolster my claim, but your response is "Oh, those guys weren't drafted by Herm Edwards"?

I guess I missed the part where Herm Edwards is considered THE GURU of NFL drafting and that all of HIS draft choices will automatically have starter potential due to being drafted by said guru.

Holy Cameltoe.

Sully
03-07-2008, 11:20 AM
Move him to running back.


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