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alnorth
03-06-2008, 10:10 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335771,00.html

MAPLEWOOD, Minn. All the world's a stage at some of Minnesota's bars.

A new state ban on smoking in restaurants and other nightspots contains an exception for performers in theatrical productions. So some bars are getting around the ban by printing up playbills, encouraging customers to come in costume, and pronouncing them "actors."

ROFL

Extra Point
03-06-2008, 10:16 PM
"Well, don't you know, toonaite I'm Humphrey Bogart, see, but witout de hat. And de accent. And de trenchcoat. Just de habit."

unlurking
03-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Heh, commercial costume parties.

Those could be fun as long as nobody lets in the Furries.

Rausch
03-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Heh, commercial costume parties.

Those could be fun as long as nobody lets in the Furries.

I'd pay good and hard-earned money to see Snoopy take it to Smurfette.

:)

DenverChief
03-06-2008, 10:25 PM
I don't understand why the non-smokers couldn't let the market play this out...certainly if a non-smoker wanted a non-smoking bar they could have opened one up and as they became more and more popular the smoking bars would go away...but NOOOOOOO you gotta have your way

Rausch
03-06-2008, 10:31 PM
I don't understand why the non-smokers couldn't let the market play this out...certainly if a non-smoker wanted a non-smoking bar they could have opened one up and as they became more and more popular the smoking bars would go away...but NOOOOOOO you gotta have your way

Because they find it "Icky."

It's going to be odd one day when my side and your side are both chanting about how it should be legal to suck a fag on the evening news...

Baconeater
03-06-2008, 10:59 PM
I don't understand why the non-smokers couldn't let the market play this out...certainly if a non-smoker wanted a non-smoking bar they could have opened one up and as they became more and more popular the smoking bars would go away...but NOOOOOOO you gotta have your way
Because it isn't about what's best for the market, it's about imposing one's will upon another.

DenverChief
03-06-2008, 11:04 PM
Because it isn't about what's best for the market, it's about imposing one's will upon another.

if it was about mandating a certain number of non-smoking bars per municipality or whatever I would be in favor but this is just silly...the casinos in Colorado reported a 20% drop in gambling revenue since the smoking ban (2 months since the casino exemption was taken away)...guess what the legislature is revisiting now?

Baconeater
03-06-2008, 11:11 PM
if it was about mandating a certain number of non-smoking bars per municipality or whatever I would be in favor but this is just silly...the casinos in Colorado reported a 20% drop in gambling revenue since the smoking ban...guess what the legislature is revisiting now?
Yep, it's all about doing what's best for people until it takes some revenue out of their pockets. That was proven here in Omaha when the city wide ban was put in a few years ago, any bar with Keno (run by the city) was exempt from the ban for five years. Hypocrisy at its finest.

It's funny that the anti-smoking nazis would rather we didn't smoke at all, but at the same time I doubt they are interested in helping replace all the tax revenue that would be lost if everyone quit.

alanm
03-07-2008, 12:37 AM
Yep, it's all about doing what's best for people until it takes some revenue out of their pockets. That was proven here in Omaha when the city wide ban was put in a few years ago, any bar with Keno (run by the city) was exempt from the ban for five years. Hypocrisy at its finest.

It's funny that the anti-smoking nazis would rather we didn't smoke at all, but at the same time I doubt they are interested in helping replace all the tax revenue that would be lost if everyone quit.
Oh don't worry, Omaha and the state will find a way to collect the lost revenue. I've no doubt about that at all.

DenverChief
03-07-2008, 12:53 AM
Oh don't worry, Omaha and the state will find a way to collect the lost revenue. I've no doubt about that at all.


LMAO

Iowanian
03-07-2008, 07:29 AM
This sounds like the response nude clubs have used before.

Now playing.....

Cinnemon, shooting pingpong balls out of her fundamental organs, while reciting Shakespear.

gblowfish
03-07-2008, 07:57 AM
I'm afraid of second hand acting.

Iowanian
03-07-2008, 08:02 AM
You probably prefer Kitty Porn anyway.

Mr. Plow
03-07-2008, 08:09 AM
I don't care for smoke in my face while I'm eating, but bars are another thing entirely. If you go to a bar not expecting a haze of smoke, you shouldn't be in a bar.

There is a bar here that has such bad ventilation that by 11pm every night, there is a fog from about 5 foot off the ground to the ceiling. That's the only place I've ever been that the smoke affects me.....I don't go there.

Demonpenz
03-07-2008, 08:58 AM
has anyone been to the bars in olathe? They just have you fill out a form then you are apart of a private club instead of a bar. Seems like a waste of time even passing a law if it is easy to get around it

vailpass
03-07-2008, 09:08 AM
I don't care for smoke in my face while I'm eating, but bars are another thing entirely. If you go to a bar not expecting a haze of smoke, you shouldn't be in a bar.

There is a bar here that has such bad ventilation that by 11pm every night, there is a fog from about 5 foot off the ground to the ceiling. That's the only place I've ever been that the smoke affects me.....I don't go there.

You mean instead of trying to curb everyone else's rights you just.....don't go to the places that have too much smoke for you....and go somewhere you like instead? You let others live how they choose and do the same yourself?

Holy shit what a concept.

Bob Dole
03-07-2008, 09:14 AM
Expect protests from the Stage Actors Union soon.

Bowser
03-07-2008, 09:49 AM
If you morons would all just stop smoking, we wouldn't have this problem.


ChiefsPlanet should get a class action suit against RJ Reynolds. I think we might be the one "entity" that hasn't sued them. Yet.

bkkcoh
03-07-2008, 09:51 AM
If you morons would all just stop smoking, we wouldn't have this problem.


ChiefsPlanet should get a class action suit against RJ Reynolds. I think we might be the one "entity" that hasn't sued them. Yet.

But without the taxes from cigs, how much are they going to have to raise taxes on everyone else....

Bowser
03-07-2008, 09:56 AM
But without the taxes from cigs, how much are they going to have to raise taxes on everyone else....

True. We should make five states "smoking" states, and cram all the smokers there. I nominate Idaho, North Dakota, North Carolina, Delaware, and Mississippi. Get caught smoking outside those states, and we deport you to Argentina.

Mr. Plow
03-07-2008, 10:07 AM
You mean instead of trying to curb everyone else's rights you just.....don't go to the places that have too much smoke for you....and go somewhere you like instead? You let others live how they choose and do the same yourself?

Holy shit what a concept.


It's a strange concept I know, but I thought it was worth a try. If this doesn't work, I'll proceed with the bombings until I get my point across that people can do what they want with their lives.

If that doesn't work, I'll hold myself hostage.

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 10:32 AM
You let others live how they choose and do the same yourself?

Holy shit what a concept.

Exactly! By you not smoking inside an establishment it allows me, and others, to live how I/we choose - smoke free. You can take your disgusting and unhealthy habit outside and smoke there.

vailpass
03-07-2008, 10:38 AM
Exactly! By you not smoking inside an establishment it allows me, and others, to live how I/we choose - smoke free. You can take your disgusting and unhealthy habit outside and smoke there.

Exactly. As long as the establishment in question is one that you own.
If it is an establishment I own and I choose to allow people to perform a LEGAL act that is strictly my decision as the property owner. Or do you feel that you should be able to tell me what I can and can't do on my own property?

Bowser
03-07-2008, 10:40 AM
Exactly. As long as the establishment in question is one that you own.
If it is an establishment I own and I choose to allow people to perform a LEGAL act that is strictly my decision as the property owner. Or do you feel that you should be able to tell me what I can and can't do on my own property?

You don't own that property, you're just leasing the building on the property owned by someone else. Now kick the smokers out, before we send a cruise missle up your ass.

Frazod
03-07-2008, 10:41 AM
Exactly! By you not smoking inside an establishment it allows me, and others, to live how I/we choose - smoke free. You can take your disgusting and unhealthy habit outside and smoke there.

I wondered how long it would take this thread to draw out the anti-smoking Nazis.

Congratulations, you're first in. You win a free set of jackboots!

vailpass
03-07-2008, 10:45 AM
You don't own that property, you're just leasing the building on the property owned by someone else. Now kick the smokers out, before we send a cruise missle up your ass.

ROFL

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 10:46 AM
I wondered how long it would take this thread to draw out the anti-smoking Nazis.

Congratulations, you're first in. You win a free set of jackboots!

Please send them straight away! You can get my address from Christian Okoye.

Rain Man
03-07-2008, 01:54 PM
True. We should make five states "smoking" states, and cram all the smokers there. I nominate Idaho, North Dakota, North Carolina, Delaware, and Mississippi. Get caught smoking outside those states, and we deport you to Argentina.

I'd go with Arizona, New Mexico, and California so the smoke would blow into Mexico instead of other states.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-07-2008, 01:58 PM
You don't own that property, you're just leasing the building on the property owned by someone else. Now kick the smokers out, before we send a cruise missle up your ass.

You ever thought about a career in politics?

alanm
03-07-2008, 05:16 PM
You mean instead of trying to curb everyone else's rights you just.....don't go to the places that have too much smoke for you....and go somewhere you like instead? You let others live how they choose and do the same yourself?

Holy shit what a concept.
Apparently that concept is lost on the majority of state governments.:shake:

DenverChief
03-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Exactly! By you not smoking inside an establishment it allows me, and others, to live how I/we choose - smoke free. You can take your disgusting and unhealthy habit outside and smoke there.

why don't you just go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking instead of a place that does? I mean it is pretty simple really...in fact I bet if you opened your own smoke free bar you would be a millionaire within a year

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 05:43 PM
why don't you just go somewhere that doesn't allow smoking instead of a place that does? I mean it is pretty simple really...in fact I bet if you opened your own smoke free bar you would be a millionaire within a year

1. I have friends who (stupidly) smoke
2. All of the good bars allow smoking
3. In the state of Florida there is a ban on smoking in public places except for those who surpass a threshold of percentage of total sales majority in alcohol.

Why the **** should I have to change my viewpoint? Me not smoking nor asking you not to smoke around me doesn't affect your health. You smoking around me smells bad and adversely affects my health. I should have to find a new establishment because you choose to partake in a disgusting, foul smelling, unhealthy habit? No dice.

DenverChief
03-07-2008, 05:48 PM
1. I have friends who (stupidly) smoke
2. All of the good bars allow smoking
3. In the state of Florida there is a ban on smoking in public places except for those who surpass a threshold of percentage of total sales majority in alcohol.

Why the **** should I have to change my viewpoint? Me not smoking nor asking you not to smoke around me doesn't affect your health. You smoking around me smells bad and adversely affects my health. I should have to find a new establishment because you choose to partake in a disgusting, foul smelling, unhealthy habit? No dice.

ok and your point is? you can start a "good" bar of your own or find one...not my problem you don't like smoking sorry

DenverChief
03-07-2008, 05:50 PM
I HAVE A WEAK HEART AND RIDING ROLLER COASTERS IS AN ADVERSE HEALTH RISK TO ME! ALL AMUSEMENT PARKS SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMOVE ROLLER COASTERS SO MY HEALTH WON'T BE AFFECTED

SIGNED
Whiney ass
:rolleyes:

DenverChief
03-07-2008, 05:51 PM
ooooh we forgot to ban the smoke machines! smoke is smoke!

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 05:59 PM
I HAVE A WEAK HEART AND RIDING ROLLER COASTERS IS AN ADVERSE HEALTH RISK TO ME! ALL AMUSEMENT PARKS SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMOVE ROLLER COASTERS SO MY HEALTH WON'T BE AFFECTED

SIGNED
Whiney ass
:rolleyes:

Apples and oranges. Pathetic and you know it. :shake:

kstater
03-07-2008, 05:59 PM
I HAVE A WEAK HEART AND RIDING ROLLER COASTERS IS AN ADVERSE HEALTH RISK TO ME! ALL AMUSEMENT PARKS SHOULD BE FORCED TO REMOVE ROLLER COASTERS SO MY HEALTH WON'T BE AFFECTED

SIGNED
Whiney ass
:rolleyes:

:clap:

kstater
03-07-2008, 06:00 PM
Apples and oranges. Pathetic and you know it. :shake:

How so?

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 06:00 PM
ok and your point is? you can start a "good" bar of your own or find one...not my problem you don't like smoking sorry

I have no interest in owning a bar. I go to bars to be social and to drink, not because I want to work there.

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 06:03 PM
How so?

People go to an amusement park to go on rides and experience the thrill and excitement. They make their money off of the rides they provide.

People go to bars to be social and get drunk. They make their money off of the alcohol they sell. They don't make their money off of cigarettes.

kstater
03-07-2008, 06:08 PM
People go to an amusement park to go on rides and experience the thrill and excitement. They make their money off of the rides they provide.

People go to bars to be social and get drunk. They make their money off of the alcohol they sell. They don't make their money off of cigarettes.

People go to amusement parks with a health condition choose to assume the risks of the ride. People who go to bars choose to assume the risks of being in a bar. It doesn't matter where the money comes from if the bar owner chooses to allow smoke.

DaKCMan AP
03-07-2008, 06:13 PM
People go to amusement parks with a health condition choose to assume the risks of the ride. People who go to bars choose to assume the risks of being in a bar. It doesn't matter where the money comes from if the bar owner chooses to allow smoke.

Going on any amusement park ride anywhere assumes a risk of injury due to the ride. Consuming alcohol should not require one to assume the risk of second hand smoke. The two situations aren't analogous at all.