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03-07-2008, 01:22 AM
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By GERRI PEEV
<!--google_ad_section_start--> <!-- Article Start --> HILLARY Clinton has been branded a "monster" by one of Barack Obama's top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/getEdFrontImage.aspx?ImageID=418746In recent TV appearances Mrs Clinton had looked desperate and on the back foot.

In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman, Samantha Power, his key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp's true feelings about the former First Lady.

Her comments came as Mr Obama, whose defeats in Texas and Ohio on Tuesday were largely put down to a series of negative attacks on him, vowed to turn up the heat on Mrs Clinton over her claims to be the more experienced candidate.

The fragile truce was blown apart as the pressure for the nomination intensified, with Mrs Clinton winning in Texas and Ohio.

Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.

"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

"Interestingly, the people in her innermost circle seem to not mind her; I think they really love her."

But she added: "There is this middle circle – they are really on the warpath. But the truth is she has proved herself really willing to stoop."

In recent TV appearances Mrs Clinton had looked desperate and on the back foot.

Ms Power agreed, and said: "Here, it looks like desperation. I hope it looks like desperation there too.

"You just look at her and think: ergh. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive."

Ms Power's comments reveal how the inexperienced Obama campaign is coming under increasing pressure from a battle-hardened Clinton camp that saw Ohio as its last chance to save its candidate.

Earlier in the week, the press and the Clinton camp seized on remarks by Austan Goolsbee, Ms Power's colleague, on the North America Free Trade Agreement (Nafta). His comments are widely believed to have cost the Mr Obama the Ohio Democratic presidential primary.

Mr Goolsbee, Mr Obama's top economic policy adviser, had told Canadian officials that a public pledge to force a renegotiation of Nafta with tougher labour and environmental rules was "more about political positioning".

But the Clinton camp said Mr Obama could tell the public one thing and then tell a foreign government something else behind closed doors.

Ms Power knew the consequences of the gaffe made by her friend. She said: "Now Hillary is using it to say that Obama's not serious about Nafta. Oh God, it's so sad."

Mr Obama yesterday blamed fierce attacks by Mrs Clinton for his defeats in this week's big primaries, and quickly made good on a promise to sharpen his criticism of her in what promises to become an all-out brawl in the race for the White House.

The Illinois senator took the offensive against Mrs Clinton, targeting her claims that she is more experienced in handling foreign policy. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no," he said. "She made a series of arguments on why she should be a superior candidate. I think it's important to examine that argument."

In recent days, the former First Lady has argued Mr Obama was getting a free ride with the media, questioned his sincerity in opposing Nafta and darkly hinted he was not ready to be commander in chief in a crisis.

Mrs Clinton, asked about her national security qualifications, ticked off a series of events in which she had played a role, including peace talks in Northern Ireland, the Kosovo refugee crisis and standing up for women's rights in China. She also cited her work on the Senate armed services committee.

Obama aides took the offensive yesterday, holding a conference call to ask why Clinton had not released her tax returns. Her campaign responded with a statement e-mailed to reporters while they were on the Obama call that said the Clintons' returns since they left the White House would be made public around 15 April.

"There's no doubt that Senator Clinton went very negative over the last week," Mr Obama said. He said the Clinton campaign's multiple attacks "had some impact" on the election results, "particularly in the context where many of you in the press corps had been persuaded that you had been too hard on her and too soft on me".

Ms Power insisted Mr Obama was well equipped to deal with foreign policy. She said his perceived willingness to befriend dictators and rogue leaders was him simply trying a different approach, as the current foreign policy has not worked.

She said: "Hillary Clinton always portrays his position on meeting with dictators as naive. She is almost implying what he is saying is he wants to meet with dictators without preparations. It is not like he would sit down with Ahmadinejad and say, 'Hey Ahmadinejad, I have been meaning to talk to you. How 'bout those New York Giants?'

"If we have had the same policy for decades and it is not working, why are we sticking to the same policy?

"Can we at least try to re-jig the equation here? Principles should not be checked at the door when one is meeting with dictators. But seeking to at least have dialogue would give the United States more kudos in the non-western world, allowing others to see that perhaps it was not all America's fault.

"There is something tougher about being in the room with Ahmadinejad and making your position known rather than lobbing your verbal grenades from 5,000 miles away, which is what the Bush administration has done."

She added: "It is important that negotiations don't become an end in itself. It is the Chamberlain problem."

Ms Power was in the UK to promote her book on Sergio Vieira de Mello, the extraordinary UN representative who was blown up in Baghdad.

PUBLISH AND BE DAMNED

WHEN is off the record actually off the record? When the rules are established in advance.

Journalists are always looking for knowledge and want the information they receive to be available for publication.

But occasionally an interviewer will accept an exchange is "off the record" and that the conversation is not attributable. Remarks can be used as background to inform a journalist's article.

If a conversation is to be off the record, that agreement is usually thrashed out before the interview begins. Sometimes, public figures say something and then attempt to retract it by insisting it was "off the record" after the event.

But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published.

In this instance, Samantha Power was promoting her book and it was established in advance that the interview was on the record.

A WOMAN OF POWER
SAMANTHA Power is the embodiment of the American immigrant dream.

Born in Dublin in 1970, she moved to the United States with her mother aged nine.

After being educated in state schools in Pittsburgh and Georgia, she gained entry to the prestigious Yale University, where she studied history. The self-depre

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cating Ms Power said this changed her life and opened many doors.

She worked as freelance journalist in Bosnia, after teaching herself the language in Croatia. Her only other journalism experience prior to that was covering the Yale women's volleyball team.

After graduating from Harvard Law School, she became an executive director and founder of the Carr Centre for Human Rights Policy at Harvard.

The 37-year-old already has one Pulitzer Prize behind her, for her book A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide and she is in the UK and Ireland to plug her new book, Chasing the Flame: Sergio Vieira de Mello and the Fight to Save the World.

Ms Power was head-hunted by Barack Obama to become his foreign-policy adviser in 2005 and combines this role with her job as a Time magazine columnist and professor of practice of global leadership and public policy at Harvard.



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alanm
03-07-2008, 01:23 AM
This should be interesting. :D

Guru
03-07-2008, 01:59 AM
It's about time it got dirty.

mikey23545
03-07-2008, 06:01 AM
If ihe Dems have any more debates, they should be on the Jerry Springer Show...

jAZ
03-07-2008, 07:06 AM
"She is a monster, too that is off the record she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

I don't think I ever recall a journalist in history ever running with a quote the explicitly says "that is off the record". Not sure which is more newsworthy. That someone thinks of a Clinton as "a monster" or that a journalist is quoting the "off the record" nature of the quote they are building their entire article around.

alanm
03-07-2008, 07:15 AM
I don't think I ever recall a journalist in history ever running with a quote the explicitly says "that is off the record". Not sure which is more newsworthy. That someone thinks of a Clinton as "a monster" or that a journalist is quoting the "off the record" nature of the quote they are building their entire article around.
Are you kidding me. Journalism used to be a profession with integrity. That's been thrown out the window years and years ago. Journalists are fast approaching lawyers for fiefdom of the scum sucking pond.

pikesome
03-07-2008, 07:19 AM
Are you kidding me. Journalism used to be a profession with integrity. That's been thrown out the window years and years ago. Journalists are fast approaching lawyers for fiefdom of the scum sucking pond.

Used to? I'm not sure how far back you have to go to get to that point. But it's pretty far.

jAZ
03-07-2008, 07:29 AM
Are you kidding me.
I'm not kidding that I don't ever recall this sitution, do you?

jAZ
03-07-2008, 07:36 AM
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_adviser_apologizes_for_c.php

Obama Adviser Apologizes For Calling Hillary A "Monster"
By Eric Kleefeld - March 7, 2008, 8:46AM

Barack Obama foreign policy adviser Samantha Power has apologized for calling Hillary Clinton a "monster" in an interview. "These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired," Power said in a statement.

"It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms," she added. "I apologize to Senator Clinton and to Senator Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics."

BucEyedPea
03-07-2008, 07:44 AM
Well if Dirty Dancing was a hit, this should be too!
In that the underdog won.

pikesome
03-07-2008, 08:02 AM
Well if Dirty Dancing was a hit, this should be too!
In that the underdog won.

But Jennifer Gray had nice boobies. That's not really a factor here is it?

BucEyedPea
03-07-2008, 09:02 AM
But Jennifer Gray had nice boobies. That's not really a factor here is it?

Black men are better endowed too.
Haven't you heard the saying: "Once you go black, you never go back!"

memyselfI
03-07-2008, 09:24 AM
Amateur hour indeed. Not one but TWO Baaarack staffers stick their foot in their mouth representing the campaign on the same day.

:clap:

patteeu
03-07-2008, 09:36 AM
I don't think I ever recall a journalist in history ever running with a quote the explicitly says "that is off the record". Not sure which is more newsworthy. That someone thinks of a Clinton as "a monster" or that a journalist is quoting the "off the record" nature of the quote they are building their entire article around.

Did you read the whole article? At the end, the Scotsman explains why her comment wasn't really "off the record" even though she used those words.

jAZ
03-07-2008, 09:43 AM
She just resigned.

It appears she was pretty important to Obama as well.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/182174.php

03.07.08 -- 10:42AM // link | recommend (1)

A Firing Offense?
In a conference call just now, the Clinton campaign called on Barack Obama to fire Samantha Power for calling Hillary a "monster."

There are advisers and then there are advisers. Power is Barack Obama's Condi Rice.

A Harvard Law grad, former foreign correspondent, and Pulitzer Prize winning author, Power left her Harvard faculty gig to go work on Obama's Senate staff for a year. It might be a little condescending to say she schooled him on foreign policy, but that's close to accurate. In the constellation of Obama advisers, the 37-year-old Irish-born Power has as high a profile and as close a relationship to the candidate as anyone.

All of which is to say that her intemperate comments have put her and Obama in a bind -- and the Clinton campaign knows it.

--David Kurtz

patteeu
03-07-2008, 09:45 AM
Amateur hour indeed. Not one but TWO Baaarack staffers stick their foot in their mouth representing the campaign on the same day.

:clap:

And this one wants to facilitate ethnic cleansing in Iraq so that we can retreat.

Did anyone else listen to Radio 4's Start the Week on Monday?

One of the guests was Samantha Power, talking about her new book on Sergio Vieira de Mello, an extract from which appeared in The New Yorker.

Towards the end of the programme, another guest, Ronan Bennett, asked her in her capacity as an adviser to Barack Obama whether as president Obama would pull out of Iraq. Part of her answer surprised me - here it is in full:

"Yes, I think one of the things that he's done though, that sets him apart from his colleagues in the Democratic Party and on the left, is actually developed a plan for responsible withdrawal, which to you might sound like an excuse for staying but is in fact a planning process that would actually put Iraqis central to our thinking about how we get out, so it would involve fair notice, and moving potentially people from mixed neighborhoods to homogenous neighborhoods, tragic that it's the equivalent of facilitating ethnic cleansing, which is terrible but if that is the choice of people there, massive refugee assistance initiatives so that neighboring countries actually open their borders again because they've been sealed for a long time, so the short answer is his best guess right now, from talking to military people, is that you could get all combat brigades out within eighteen months, but you also have to embed in it some consideration of what is happening to Iraqis as you go. But his objective would be both to be able to focus on Afghanistan and in quotes deal with al Qaeda, and I think we have to learn to live with insecurity in the way that people in this country have lived with it, but also in order to restore American standing longterm."

- Apologies for that unwieldy paragraph, but I didn't want to seem to be taking anything out of context.

The bit that surprised me was "...moving potentially people from mixed neighborhoods to homogenous neighborhoods, tragic that it's the equivalent of facilitating ethnic cleansing, which is terrible but if that is the choice of people there..."

Samantha Power is obviously more knowledgeable about ethnic cleansing than I am, as she's best known for her book on genocide, so I find it strange that she's advocating entrenching the results of terror in a way that is likely to increase sectarianism rather than overcome it. And I find it bizarre to talk about this as a choice by Iraqis, as the population shifts have been as a result of terror carried out by the minority of violent thugs on each side of the divide.

I also find it strange to suggest that Barack Obama would wish to enable segregation rather than combat it, albeit segregation in Iraq rather than the US. Is that really his thinking?

Ironic (http://airforceamazons.blogspot.com/2008/03/segregation.html).

jAZ
03-07-2008, 10:08 AM
Did you read the whole article? At the end, the Scotsman explains why her comment wasn't really "off the record" even though she used those words.

I missed that part, thanks for pointing me to it.

I don't see that it impacts my comments at all though. In fact, it reads like a preemtive strike against comments like mine. And flawed ones at that.

I certainly admit that they have a right to share the comments. Nothing forces a journalist to keep anything off the record, even if it's agreed to in advance. It's voluntary.

However, I've NEVER seen a quote which an entire article and story are built upon... where the signularly important quote includes "that's off the record" right in the center of it.

They clearly have discretion to go off the record, even after the fact, if they wish.

Their rationalization tries to elevate her comment to the level of "public interest", but when the story is entirely about her dramatic choice of word... it's a gotcha moment and hardly a "the public must know!" moment.

And it's not wrong to report a "gotcha moment", but it hurts your reputation as a reporter when you don't respect the "off the record" request for something so "gotcha".

Now maybe as a reporter covering a book tour, she decided it was more in her interest to risk pissing off one Obama advisor for the splash she would likely make worldwide with the story.

But I'm certain that among the career political press here in the US, candid, heated and ultimately unflattering comments like these surely slip out ALL THE TIME by high profile people even. And immediate ex post facto requests to keep those off the record are surely honored with regularity because of the triviality of a "gotcha" moment.

I've not ever seen a quote similarly to this one for that reason.

HolmeZz
03-07-2008, 10:21 AM
Hillary isn't a monster? That would be news.

patteeu
03-07-2008, 01:05 PM
I missed that part, thanks for pointing me to it.

I don't see that it impacts my comments at all though. In fact, it reads like a preemtive strike against comments like mine. And flawed ones at that.

I certainly admit that they have a right to share the comments. Nothing forces a journalist to keep anything off the record, even if it's agreed to in advance. It's voluntary.

However, I've NEVER seen a quote which an entire article and story are built upon... where the signularly important quote includes "that's off the record" right in the center of it.

They clearly have discretion to go off the record, even after the fact, if they wish.

That's not clear at all.

Their rationalization tries to elevate her comment to the level of "public interest", but when the story is entirely about her dramatic choice of word... it's a gotcha moment and hardly a "the public must know!" moment.

And it's not wrong to report a "gotcha moment", but it hurts your reputation as a reporter when you don't respect the "off the record" request for something so "gotcha".

Now maybe as a reporter covering a book tour, she decided it was more in her interest to risk pissing off one Obama advisor for the splash she would likely make worldwide with the story.

But I'm certain that among the career political press here in the US, candid, heated and ultimately unflattering comments like these surely slip out ALL THE TIME by high profile people even. And immediate ex post facto requests to keep those off the record are surely honored with regularity because of the triviality of a "gotcha" moment.

I've not ever seen a quote similarly to this one for that reason.

You keep talking about your personal experience as though it's relevant. If the privacy of "off the record" comments are honored as a matter of agreement between a reporter and the interviewee, it makes total sense that the agreement should be in place before the interviewee starts talking. That's how agreements of all kinds work.

Maybe in some cases where a reporter wants to be generous or curry favor, they might go ahead and honor the request after the fact, but I've certainly never heard of any duty on the part of a reporter to honor a "that's off the record" qualifier that comes after the fact". We've got real journalists around here from time to time. Maybe one of them can express an informed opinion.

noa
03-07-2008, 01:25 PM
My guess is that reporters are looking for off the record comments if its insider info (like if a Romney insider has a quote that the campaign is going down in flames due to poor decisions:Poke:), but that they aren't really looking for an off-the-record comment if its your campaign bad mouthing another, especially a quote as obvious as calling your opponent a bad person.

BucEyedPea
03-07-2008, 01:33 PM
There's been plenty of fightin' in elections in our history in the past.
Think of when those lil balls were used....which is where the word ballot comes from.
Think of when RR fought with Bush over a mic.

noa
03-07-2008, 01:50 PM
There's been plenty of fightin' in elections in our history in the past.
Think of when those lil balls were used....which is where the word ballot comes from.
Think of when RR fought with Bush over a mic.

Who could forget this timeless anti-Andrew Jackson dig:

"A gambler, a cock fighter, a slave trader and the husband of a really fat wife."

And of Henry Clay:

"Supposed baggage train of gambling, dueling, womanizing and "By the Eternal!" swearing."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/tish_wells/story/24112.html