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irishjayhawk
03-09-2008, 12:24 AM
I just watched the Sportcenter recap of the game. Holy shit that's the worst officiating ever.

The out of bounds call was ridiculous in and of itself but then the rule book says:

"It shall be ruled out of bounds [if ball is shot over backboard from behind]"


Yet conference official said that since it was the CORNER of the backboard it counts. That's not what the rule says.

Damn what a screw job in a season of officials winning games for teams.

Nelson Muntz
03-09-2008, 08:41 AM
I can see both sides of the argument on this one. That rule needs to be clarified majorly. What constitutes over the backboard; any part of the ball, half the ball or the complete ball?

Also maybe they need to add uprights to the backboards to take away any doubt. ROFL

chief52
03-09-2008, 10:41 AM
I do not know why they put that rule in anyway. Why not let them throw it over from behind... It is not like it is an easy shot to make.

T-post Tom
03-09-2008, 10:45 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lXTQRCt8Zu4

ROYC75
03-09-2008, 11:03 AM
Cal got hosed, just like Stanford did. Alot of money in LA, them refs are paid well.....

BigRock
03-09-2008, 12:04 PM
The shot itself is the third stage of the screwjob. UCLA should have been called for a foul when they hacked the guy receiving the inbounds pass, but they weren't. And then the refs gave UCLA the ball when it went out of bounds, even though it certainly appeared to go off a UCLA player.

Cal should have gotten free throws. But barring that, they should have at least gotten the ball. They got neither. That the winning shot might not even have been legal is just the icing on the Raiduhs cake.

chief52
03-09-2008, 12:19 PM
Cal got hosed, just like Stanford did. Alot of money in LA, them refs are paid well.....

While the call in the UCLA/Stanford game may not have been a good one, Standford let that game get away. It should never have been able to come down to an official's call. Stanford has no one to blame but themselves.

ROYC75
03-09-2008, 02:20 PM
While the call in the UCLA/Stanford game may not have been a good one, Standford let that game get away. It should never have been able to come down to an official's call. Stanford has no one to blame but themselves.


You callit as you may, the refs were horrible in letting UCLA get away with a game they should have lost.

A worst called game was Duke - UNC last night, Duke got away with murder . UNC was able to over come it, but it was one of the worst, roughest games I have ever saw.

chief52
03-09-2008, 02:29 PM
You callit as you may, the refs were horrible in letting UCLA get away with a game they should have lost.



Did you just see the highlight of the call or did you see or read about the entire game? Stanford was up by 14. The refs did not take that lead away. Stanford let it slip away. Stanford letting UCLA back into the game is what cost them the game. Not the officials. If you let a lead like that go you have no one to blame but yourself.

Spott
03-09-2008, 02:33 PM
That was definitely from behind the basket. Didn't Larry Bird do a shot like that in the NBA back in the early 80's?

BWillie
03-09-2008, 05:19 PM
I think they should remove the rule from NBA and college too, but the fact is the rule remains so you must enforce it. UCLA should of lost to games in a row right now and be a #2 seed.

I really think KU is looking inside from the outside right now for a #1 seed. Unless someone stumbles ahead of them..the #1 seeds are going to be UNC, Memphis, Tennessee and UCLA in that order. Tennessee is #1 RPI, no way they don't get a #1 seed. KU has no big wins this year as of yet. Best team we have beat is K-State.

Sure-Oz
03-09-2008, 05:53 PM
Carl paid the refs jared allens money

ROYC75
03-09-2008, 06:42 PM
Did you just see the highlight of the call or did you see or read about the entire game? Stanford was up by 14. The refs did not take that lead away. Stanford let it slip away. Stanford letting UCLA back into the game is what cost them the game. Not the officials. If you let a lead like that go you have no one to blame but yourself.

I watched both games.......... yes Stanford turned cold in the end, but UCLA and the refs had alot to do with that....... fouls not called, shooting fouls kills a team when the defense gets away with it.

UCLA should have lost both games..... period, nothing less. But it is what it is,here lately UCLA has been playing soft, teams are hanging with them.

Nelson Muntz
03-10-2008, 04:20 AM
Did you just see the highlight of the call or did you see or read about the entire game? Stanford was up by 14. The refs did not take that lead away. Stanford let it slip away. Stanford letting UCLA back into the game is what cost them the game. Not the officials. If you let a lead like that go you have no one to blame but yourself.

Well here's another example for you. Lets say the Chiefs are leading by 34 points in a Super Bowl at the start of the fourth quarter and give up 4 touchdowns in that fourth quarter leading up to this play with 1 minute left. Croyle steps back to throw and before the ball gets to the reciever, a db clearly levels the reciever while the safety picks the ball off and returns it for a touchdown, but theres no penalty called. I agree the Chiefs should have never been in that position, but is it their fault the officials missed a blatant PI call?

schneider221
03-10-2008, 04:50 AM
what is funny is that the pac 10's commish said the ref's explanation was that he knew the rules but thought it was to close of a call to reverse the decision at the end of a game. that is just a crap, i would rather have a ref admit he didn't know the correct ruling then someone saying it was to close to reverse but it was close enough to give someone a loss.

but really this is just a small blip in what has been apparent all year and that is college basketball officiating is terrible right now and it is going to ruin the game if they don't stress getting better officials out there.

chief52
03-10-2008, 07:23 AM
Well here's another example for you. Lets say the Chiefs are leading by 34 points in a Super Bowl at the start of the fourth quarter and give up 4 touchdowns in that fourth quarter leading up to this play with 1 minute left. Croyle steps back to throw and before the ball gets to the reciever, a db clearly levels the reciever while the safety picks the ball off and returns it for a touchdown, but theres no penalty called. I agree the Chiefs should have never been in that position, but is it their fault the officials missed a blatant PI call?

The way I look at it, it would be the part of the Chiefs for letting the lead slip away. You have to take responsibility for blowing the lead. There is an entire game. Taking one call, even if it is late, and blaming it for a loss is not right. There are thousands of events/calls in a game. Blaming the officials is lame. They are a part of the game.

epitome1170
03-10-2008, 12:49 PM
The way I look at it, it would be the part of the Chiefs for letting the lead slip away. You have to take responsibility for blowing the lead. There is an entire game. Taking one call, even if it is late, and blaming it for a loss is not right. There are thousands of events/calls in a game. Blaming the officials is lame. They are a part of the game.

In a game you had a big lead, I would agree with you. However, in this particular game decided by the smallest margin, I will disagree. There were three blown calls all in favor of UCLA within a matter of 15 seconds. In a hard fought game it is a shame that the officials ruin it. We have seen it too many times this year.

This game just made me realize though that the PAC 10 has the worst officiating in all of the NCAA in both football and basketball.

BigRock
03-10-2008, 01:47 PM
Well here's another example for you. Lets say the Chiefs are leading by 34 points in a Super Bowl at the start of the fourth quarter and give up 4 touchdowns in that fourth quarter leading up to this play with 1 minute left. Croyle steps back to throw and before the ball gets to the reciever, a db clearly levels the reciever while the safety picks the ball off and returns it for a touchdown, but theres no penalty called. I agree the Chiefs should have never been in that position, but is it their fault the officials missed a blatant PI call?
You know what's sad is that's actually happened. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but Amy Trask of the Raiders once raised that issue with Paul Tagliabue, complaining about a poor referee's call that cost Oakland a game.

And Tags was like "Well, if your team hadn't turned it over three times, blah blah blah", basically taking the refs off the hook for blowing a game-deciding call.

And that logic sucks. Even if a team hadn't made a single mistake all game long, someone could just as easily say "Well, if they would have scored more points, the ref's bad call wouldn't have mattered". Or "if they hadn't let the other team score as many points, it wouldn't have mattered".

The "if" defense is BS. All that should matter is what's happening at the moment the referee makes the call.

RockChalk
03-10-2008, 03:25 PM
Well here's another example for you. Lets say the Chiefs are leading by 34 points in a Super Bowl at the start of the fourth quarter and give up 4 touchdowns in that fourth quarter leading up to this play with 1 minute left. Croyle steps back to throw and before the ball gets to the reciever, a db clearly levels the reciever while the safety picks the ball off and returns it for a touchdown, but theres no penalty called. I agree the Chiefs should have never been in that position, but is it their fault the officials missed a blatant PI call?

this is flawed...i can't foresee the chiefs ever being up 34 points with herm as coach, let alone in the super bowl

Boyceofsummer
03-10-2008, 06:05 PM
I do not know why they put that rule in anyway. Why not let them throw it over from behind... It is not like it is an easy shot to make.

regardless of the back-board. The shot should count.