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T-post Tom
03-09-2008, 10:37 AM
I believe that the last question pretty well sums it up.

Chiefs play it smart on free-agent signings

Any Chiefs fans upset because the Chiefs haven’t gone crazy with free-agent signings this year should be grateful.

The Chiefs have blown millions of dollars on senseless free-agent signings over the years under the wrongful thinking they were just “one or two players away” from making a big postseason run.

That type of philosophy has not only wasted money, but it has severely distracted the team from building a contender the proper way — through the draft.

The truth is, the Chiefs haven’t been “one or two players away” since the mid-1990s. Not even the Dick Vermeil-Al Saunders teams could be considered that close to the Super Bowl — not with the Chiefs’ horrid defense from those years.

Herm Edwards figured out pretty early on in this job that he needed to almost completely rebuild the Chiefs. And you don’t do that through free-agency.

Finally, it would appear the Chiefs are determined to develop a quarterback they drafted and build a team around him through the draft. And they have 10 picks this year to make a dent in that rebuilding process.

Of course, the question remains: Are Edwards and Carl Peterson and the Chiefs’ scouting department good enough to cash in on those draft picks?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jeffrey_flanagan/story/523138.html

BigMeatballDave
03-09-2008, 10:54 AM
'Smart' and 'Carl Peterson' should never be used together...

Hoover
03-09-2008, 11:20 AM
I understand why people hate Carl, but the one thing he has done while in KC is let the HC bring in his own type of players. That philosophy didn't work with DV, DV looked for good people, not great players. I also think Carl's stepping in and drafting LJ clearly indicates that approach because the one time he asserted him self in a personal decision it created an issue wit the team.

Carl's philosophy was a recipie for disaster with Gunther and DV, but I think it works well with HCs like Marty and Herm. I'm excited about the draft because I know Herm will select some great players.

Heck look at Herm's first two drafts and there are only 2 picks that stil are not on the team, Medlock and Maxie, 2 fifth rounders.

BigMeatballDave
03-09-2008, 11:25 AM
I understand why people hate Carl, but the one thing he has done while in KC is let the HC bring in his own type of players. That philosophy didn't work with DV, DV looked for good people, not great players. I also think Carl's stepping in and drafting LJ clearly indicates that approach because the one time he asserted him self in a personal decision it created an issue wit the team.

Carl's philosophy was a recipie for disaster with Gunther and DV, but I think it works well with HCs like Marty and Herm. I'm excited about the draft because I know Herm will select some great players.

Heck look at Herm's first two drafts and there are only 2 picks that stil are not on the team, Medlock and Maxie, 2 fifth rounders.On the flipside, Carl is the reason why this team needs to be gutted and start from scratch.

ChiefHusker
03-09-2008, 11:27 AM
Read the following on www.profootballweekly.com (http://www.profootballweekly.com)

We hear the Chiefs are taking a good look at free-agent OGs Jake Scott and Rex Hadnot. Both have been told by their old clubs — the Colts and Dolphins, respectively — that they aren’t in the teams’ future plans. However, with as pressing a concern as the offensive line is, it’s surprising that the Chiefs aren’t taking a more aggressive approach on the matter

TEX
03-09-2008, 11:28 AM
Herm Edwards figured out pretty early on in this job that he needed to almost completely rebuild the Chiefs. And you don’t do that through free-agency.
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TOTAL BS! Only AFTER the season was lost did he "get it." He and everyone else calling for a re-build backed into it and didn't have the stones to set the course from the beginning last season. And now, we're supposed to believe that those SAME people can get the re-build right??? ROFL

Coach
03-09-2008, 11:33 AM
I understand why people hate Carl, but the one thing he has done while in KC is let the HC bring in his own type of players. That philosophy didn't work with DV, DV looked for good people, not great players. I also think Carl's stepping in and drafting LJ clearly indicates that approach because the one time he asserted him self in a personal decision it created an issue wit the team.

Carl's philosophy was a recipie for disaster with Gunther and DV, but I think it works well with HCs like Marty and Herm. I'm excited about the draft because I know Herm will select some great players.

Heck look at Herm's first two drafts and there are only 2 picks that stil are not on the team, Medlock and Maxie, 2 fifth rounders.

To be fair though, his draft picks still isn't great. It's a hell of a improvement over Vermeil, (so far) but it's really nothing to get excited about.

2006:
RD1 - Tamba Hali - DE - Solid. Still needs a breakout year.
RD2 - Bernard Pollard - S - Not looking good. Still haven't shown me anything, other than being a ST'mer
RD3 - Brodie Croyle - QB - Too early to tell. This year, provided he starts all games, should tell us more about him.
RD5 - Marcus Maxey - CB - Great pick. No longer on the team.
RD6a - Tre Stallings - OT - Too early to tell.
RD6b - Jeff Webb - WR - Not looking too hot. Hasn't shown me anything thus far.
RD7 - Jarred Paige - S - Good value in the 7th. Hopefully he'll improve.

2007:
RD1 - Dwayne Bowe - WR - Excellent pick thus far. Needs to continue to improve.
RD2 - Turk McBride - DE - Not looking good thus far.
RD3 - Tank Tyler - DT - See above.
RD5a - Justin Medlock - K - EXCELLENT PICK! No longer with the team. We passed Crosby over for him?
RD5b - Kolby Smith - RB - Solid. Would like for him to continue to improve.
RD6 - Herbert Taylor - OT - Too early to tell.
RD7 - Michael Allan - TE - Too early to tell.

The problem is that you don't know how good your draft picks can be, if you're playing a washed up 35+ year old players in front of them, with no upside at all.

OnTheWarpath58
03-09-2008, 11:36 AM
Herm Edwards figured out pretty early on in this job that he needed to almost completely rebuild the Chiefs. And you don’t do that through free-agency.
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TOTAL BS! Only AFTER the season was lost did he "get it." He and everyone else calling for a re-build backed into it and didn't have the stones to set the course from the beginning last season. And now, we're supposed to believe that those SAME people can get the re-build right??? ROFL

How long have you been a Chiefs fan?

It was PAINFULLY obvious that Herm WANTED to play the young player LAST year, but that CARL dropped the hammer. Carl fought the rebuild, because he didn't want to spend his last years here not getting to his benchmark of 8-8.

I guess it's just coincidence that one of the first bits of news to come after the season was that Carl would be staying out of the personnel issues and leave them to Herm, Kuharich and the scouting department.

chop
03-09-2008, 11:41 AM
I'm excited about the draft because I know Herm will select some great players.

Heck look at Herm's first two drafts and there are only 2 picks that stil are not on the team, Medlock and Maxie, 2 fifth rounders.

Just because most of Herm's picks are still with the team doesn't make him a great talent evaluator. His team did finish 4-12 last year.

Chief Roundup
03-09-2008, 11:43 AM
How long have you been a Chiefs fan?

It was PAINFULLY obvious that Herm WANTED to play the young player LAST year, but that CARL dropped the hammer. Carl fought the rebuild, because he didn't want to spend his last years here not getting to his benchmark of 8-8.

I guess it's just coincidence that one of the first bits of news to come after the season was that Carl would be staying out of the personnel issues and leave them to Herm, Kuharich and the scouting department.

Uhh Yeah but then later was reported that he would be as involved as he ever has been.

evolve27
03-09-2008, 11:48 AM
Our future lies on the scouting department...:Bartee: ROFL

OnTheWarpath58
03-09-2008, 11:50 AM
Uhh Yeah but then later was reported that he would be as involved as he ever has been.

Source? Because this hasn't been a typical Carl Peterson offseason. He's working under strict orders from Clark, IMO.

Regardless, TEX is pointing in the wrong direction.

chief52
03-09-2008, 11:55 AM
Have the Chiefs or CP ever made an actual statement that CP would have less involvement in player personnel? Seriously, I have read different versions of that here.

What is the actual truth?

ChiefHusker
03-09-2008, 11:59 AM
That wasn't Herms team. That was CP's last attempt at a patchwork season, with his aging vets. CP adopted DV's mentallity of "owing" the veterans more playing time because they are "good people". Now it is time to bring in real football players with the killer instinct. I was great to watch the Chiefs run up and down the field on offense, however that got us what......One division title, the oldest team in the NFL, the worst Defense in the NFL, and still 0 playoff wins..It it time to copy the Manual that the NY Giants and GB Packers used, Sign 1-3 FA in key spots, build through the draft, and retain your stars.

milkman
03-09-2008, 12:04 PM
Our future lies on the scouting department...:Bartee: ROFL

Actually I think Chuck cook and the scouting department have done a nice job of finding talent in later rounds of the draft over the years.

Where the Chiefs have struggled is allowing the HC and coordinators such a strong voice in the early rounds.

Gunt might be the worst talent evaluator to ever get a say in who is drafted.

Lock that stupid MFer in the basement that weekend.

beach tribe
03-09-2008, 12:06 PM
If Herm accomplishes(sp?) what he is attempting, I will forever see him in a different light than I do now.

I already have a little respect for him because he obviously didn't bow to Carl when this season ended. He stood up to him, and ultimately wrestled power away from him, and you have to give that to him, BUT until he proves that he can actually coach or draft................he is just another piece of shit to me.

milkman
03-09-2008, 12:16 PM
If Herm accomplishes(sp?) what he is attempting, I will forever see him in a different light than I do now.

I already have a little respect for him because he obviously didn't bow to Carl when this season ended. He stood up to him, and ultimately wrestled power away from him, and you have to give that to him, BUT until he proves that he can actually coach or draft................he is just another piece of shit to me.

I'm just hoping that Herman ****ing Edwards can put together a couple of decent drafts so the next HC will have some building blocks to work with.

I have no faith that Herman ****ing Edwards can coach this team to any semblence of a real contender status, even if he had a roster full of talent.

MichaelH
03-09-2008, 12:20 PM
If Herm accomplishes(sp?) what he is attempting, I will forever see him in a different light than I do now.

I already have a little respect for him because he obviously didn't bow to Carl when this season ended. He stood up to him, and ultimately wrestled power away from him, and you have to give that to him, BUT until he proves that he can actually coach or draft................he is just another piece of shit to me.

I agree. I still don't think Hermie has the mentality to attain his goals. The ball is in his court and he can prove me wrong but I doubt he'll do anything special and in 3 years it will be the same shit all over.

Chiefaholic
03-09-2008, 12:23 PM
Anybody who believes Carl doesn't step on the coaches toes are full of themselves. Players have said it, coaches have said it, and there's a spot on Hard Knocks where Carl wanted the veteran Huard under center, opposed to our QBOTF. For Carl, it's all about putting fans ass in the seats, that's what he gets paid to do. If the Chiefs totally rebuild, it'll almost guarantee at least a couple terrible seasons. Carl wants nothing to do with that and doesn't mind putting a mediocre product on the field to keep the fans interested.

This team needs a solid core of young players to staty under the salary cap and remain competitive for years to come. This "dollar tomorrow for a hamburger today" philosophy has kept the Chiefs competitive, but never good enough to be a serious Superbowl threat. It sucks balls watching my team lose, but the long term reward would be more than worth the wait if I finally get to see the Chiefs in the Superbowl w/o watching ESPN Classics.

Herm was a good scout which is why he was promoted up the NFL ladder. I trust him to find solid players in the draft. And hope to see the pain of two or three bad seasons rewarded with a legit competitive team.

Bowser
03-09-2008, 12:40 PM
Again, the Chiefs aren't playing anything "smart". They are being inactive so they can wipe the slate clean of all the veteran salaries that have accumulated over the years. This is a necessary evil, so they can get back on track for '09 and beyond. If anything, they are being cheap (and no, I don't want to hear about how the Jets and Raiders have thrown money away on their free agents. Those teams are stupid.).

If they were playing it safe, they would have brought in a couple of FA offensive linemen to help protect their budding "QBotF", unless they think all of a sudden some of the turds we have on our roster are going to figure out how to play, and not get Brodie killed by week 5.

The thing that irritates me about this inactivity in free agency is listening to Herm make statements in one second of how we need to find at least 7 new starters this offseason, then turn around and say we can't have champagne tastes with beer money. And that irritates me as well - you can't tell me the Chiefs as an organization or the Hunts as an organization can't pay out whatever needs to be paid out. This nickle and dime crap wears me out with this team.

beach tribe
03-09-2008, 12:46 PM
Just because most of Herm's picks are still with the team doesn't make him a great talent evaluator. His team did finish 4-12 last year.

Three is 0 proof that Herm is a good scout. His approach is the one that is needed, but this rumor that he's good at it is unsubstantiated.

jjchieffan
03-09-2008, 12:52 PM
I am sure we will see a few free agents signed. But it won't happen until after the draft. There will have to be, especially on the offensive line. The team will be looking to pick up summer bargain picks. Nothing flashy, just some blue collar guys that aren't highly touted. Maybe they will find a diamond in the rough like they did when they got Priest Holmes.

Rausch
03-09-2008, 01:14 PM
Has anyone written anything about how much of a cap hit releasing the vets cost us? I'm sure we have less money than we think because of SB's or contracts costing us because of all the cuts. Not that we're stuck with "beer money" as Herm has put it.

The problem wasn't spending big $$$ on free agents, the problem was spending champagne money on Milwaukee's Best...

jjchieffan
03-09-2008, 01:18 PM
Has anyone written anything about how much of a cap hit releasing the vets cost us? I'm sure we have less money than we think because of SB's or contracts costing us because of all the cuts. Not that we're stuck with "beer money" as Herm has put it.

The problem wasn't spending big $$$ on free agents, the problem was spending champagne money on Milwaukee's Best...

I don't think we have cut anyone this season that will hurt us in accelerated signing bonus. Law and Bell would have been the biggest onuses and they are near enough to the end of their contracts that the base salary should more than offset the bonus acceleration.

eazyb81
03-09-2008, 01:38 PM
Actually I think Chuck cook and the scouting department have done a nice job of finding talent in later rounds of the draft over the years.

Where the Chiefs have struggled is allowing the HC and coordinators such a strong voice in the early rounds.

Gunt might be the worst talent evaluator to ever get a say in who is drafted.

Lock that stupid MFer in the basement that weekend.

Totally agree with this statement. Our problem has been that we don't have a strict organizational structure that allows guys to do their job. Chuck Cook can be the greatest talent evaluator in the league, but if Carl has the authority to shoot him down at any time then the system isn't working properly.

I firmly believe that a team will find success if they hire smart people and let them do their jobs.

Bowser
03-09-2008, 02:51 PM
I am sure we will see a few free agents signed. But it won't happen until after the draft. There will have to be, especially on the offensive line. The team will be looking to pick up summer bargain picks. Nothing flashy, just some blue collar guys that aren't highly touted. Maybe they will find a diamond in the rough like they did when they got Priest Holmes.

Wow, I'm fired up for the season now.