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Tribal Warfare
03-09-2008, 02:29 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeff&id=3279718


He departs in Favre's shadow, but Sapp deserves a spotlight
By Jeffri Chadiha
ESPN.com

Warren Sapp certainly could have benefited from better timing. When the Oakland Raiders defensive tackle finalized his retirement on the same day that Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre was calling it quits, you knew whom the spotlight would favor.

Sapp's departure from the NFL generated little if any buzz. Favre's decision to walk out the door, on the other hand, created so many tremors around the league that you would have thought God had packed it in earlier this week.

The reality here is that Sapp's 13-year career is also worth putting into perspective. It's even more critical now because in a few years we'll be arguing about whether he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Sure, he was a dominant defensive lineman. But sensational talent and prolific productivity don't make you a lock for the Hall of Fame. If they did, then perennial Pro Bowlers such as Derrick Thomas and Cris Carter certainly would be enshrined by now.

For my money, Sapp belongs in the Hall. He was such a dominant pass-rusher that he finished his career with 96 sacks, a mind-boggling number for a player who makes his living in the middle of the trenches. He also was a fierce run defender who made the "three-technique" position (which requires a tackle to line up on the outside shoulder of the guard) a marquee spot during nine seasons in Tampa Bay.

"Normally you see defensive ends or pass-rushing outside linebackers who wind up in the 100-sack range for their careers," said Kansas City Chiefs coach Herm Edwards, who was an assistant in Tampa Bay from 1996-2000.

Brett Favre and Warren Sapp
Brett Favre and Warren Sapp had intense NFC divisional meetings when Sapp (right) was a Buccaneer. In the December 2007 meeting here, Farve and Sapp -- then a Raider -- exhanged greetings again.

"He got to that level by being a three-technique guy. You want to talk about a great football player -- Sapp could do it all."

Edwards added that Sapp's intelligence and leadership were important factors in his success. When Tony Dungy first became Tampa Bay's head coach in 1996, he found a demoralized team that had become far too accustomed to losing. Dungy knew he had to change the mind-set in his locker room, and he saw Sapp as a valuable instrument in achieving that goal.

The Bucs needed to be strong up the middle in Dungy's Tampa 2 defense, and Sapp -- along with linebacker Derrick Brooks and safety John Lynch behind him -- was best-suited to provide both the temperament and tenacity Dungy coveted.

The NFL had rarely seen a player of his size (standing 6-foot-2 and weighing 300 pounds, he wasn't the biggest interior lineman around) create so many problems with his quickness.

Edwards said Sapp's job was "to be a disrupter," and he turned that role into an art form. Even in practice, Sapp was incapable of slowing down his motor. As former Bucs offensive tackle Roman Oben, who played in Tampa Bay from 2002 and 2003, said, "When you went against Sapp in practice, you always knew it was going to be a lot easier to go against somebody else on game days."

But here's the tough part for Sapp when people start weighing his Hall of Fame credentials: His time in Tampa Bay now feels like it was eons ago. He spent the past four years in Oakland, and it's an understatement to say his career fizzled there. Sapp wound up playing out of position in the 3-4 defense that defensive coordinator Rob Ryan used during Sapp's first two years in Oakland. Sapp's weight also ballooned during that time, and he generated only 7 sacks combined in 2004 and 2005.

Even when he had good moments on those lousy teams -- he enjoyed a bounce-back year with 10 sacks in 2006 -- few people noticed outside of the Bay Area.

Warren Sapp, Packers team security coordinator Mike Cygan, and Mike Sherman
In 2002, Warren Sapp's controversial hit on Packers offensive lineman Chad Clifton (not pictured) led to a dispute between Sapp (left) and then Packers coach Mike Sherman (right).
There also was the controversy that followed him.

Though many teammates loved Sapp, he also had a well-earned reputation for boorish behavior. He drew a $50,000 fine for bumping an official in 2003 and a $75,000 fine after three personal fouls led to his ejection in a game against the Jacksonville Jaguars this past season.

Of course, it's hard to forget the borderline hit Sapp laid on unsuspecting Green Bay offensive tackle Chad Clifton in 2002, a vicious block on an interception that easily could have ended Clifton's career. Sapp's lack of remorse on that play -- along with his shouting match with former Packers head coach Mike Sherman after the game -- offered a glimpse of the person he could be when he wasn't displaying his quick wit and natural charisma.

I think he'll need a turnaround like the one George Foreman had. He has to become a more likable guy because there are some people who won't let go of the negative stuff. But whatever you say about the guy, he was a great player.

--Roman Oben, a former teammate of Warren Sapp, on Sapp

Oben agrees that Sapp could use some image repair now that his career has ended. "I think he'll need a turnaround like the one George Foreman had," Oben said.

"He has to become a more likable guy because there are some people who won't let go of the negative stuff. But whatever you say about the guy, he was a great player. You ask people in this league who they'd want when they needed a big play on third-and-5, and nine out of 10 guys would take him. Because he usually delivered in those situations."

That's actually how Sapp should be remembered. He was a difference-maker who loved the big stage, and it's no coincidence that he produced some of his strongest performances against Favre. Those two brought out the best in each other, especially when Green Bay was the dominant team of the mid-1990s and the Bucs were searching for an identity. Those were the wonder years in Tampa, and it's hard to imagine the franchise winning a Super Bowl during the 2002 season without Sapp's hunger spurring them on in more adverse times.

After all, that desire drove Sapp from the day the former University of Miami star entered the NFL as the 12th overall pick in the 1995 draft, a slight that resulted from his testing positive for marijuana at that year's combine. It helped him earn Defensive Player of the Year honors in 1999 along with seven Pro Bowl selections during his career.

It's also the reason so many teams have struggled to find another player who can be the next Warren Sapp. The bottom line is that there was only one of those. And that, ultimately, should be enough evidence to rank him with the best who ever played the game.

Tribal Warfare
03-09-2008, 02:30 PM
Found it interesting with Herm's comments, and KC's opportunity to attain a top DT in the draft

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 02:49 PM
He was a great player but he was also your typical UM piece of shit human being.

Fruit Ninja
03-09-2008, 02:58 PM
He was a great player but he was also your typical UM piece of shit human being.

Why? What did he do so bad off the field to make hima piece of shit human being?

Mecca
03-09-2008, 02:59 PM
Why? What did he do so bad off the field to make hima piece of shit human being?

Because somehow running your mouth makes you a piece of shit, the same way some people will lump Terrell Owens in with Pacman Jones.

Tribal Warfare
03-09-2008, 03:00 PM
Why? What did he do so bad off the field to make hima piece of shit human being?

Smokin the marijuana before his draft day :D

Extra Point
03-09-2008, 04:31 PM
"'Oben agrees that Sapp could use some image repair now that his career has ended. "I think he'll need a turnaround like the one George Foreman had,' Oben said.'"

I think I want a Warren Sapp Meat Tenderizer to complement my George Foreman Grill.

The Bad Guy
03-09-2008, 05:02 PM
He was a great player but he was also your typical UM piece of shit human being.

What a horseshit thing to say.

What made him so bad?

I love the holier than thou crowd we have here. The ones that say shit like this are likely people with all the skeletons in their closet.

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 05:21 PM
<b>Of course, it's hard to forget the borderline hit Sapp laid on unsuspecting Green Bay offensive tackle Chad Clifton in 2002, a vicious block on an interception that easily could have ended Clifton's career. Sapp's lack of remorse on that play -- along with his shouting match with former Packers head coach Mike Sherman after the game -- offered a glimpse of the person he could be when he wasn't displaying his quick wit and natural charisma.</b>

Just an example of the "Great Man".

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 05:22 PM
2002:
<b>Of course, it's hard to forget the borderline hit Sapp laid on unsuspecting Green Bay offensive tackle Chad Clifton in 2002, a vicious block on an interception that easily could have ended Clifton's career. Sapp's lack of remorse on that play -- along with his shouting match with former Packers head coach Mike Sherman after the game -- offered a glimpse of the person he could be when he wasn't displaying his quick wit and natural charisma.</b>

Just an example of the "Great Man".

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 05:24 PM
2007:
<b>Raiders defensive tackle Warren Sapp was ejected from Sunday’s game against the Jaguars after receiving three unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.</b>

And another.

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 05:26 PM
2003:
<b>The National Football League fined Tampa Bay defensive lineman Warren Sapp $50,000 yesterday for mistreating officials and threatened him with a suspension if his behavior did not improve.</b>

One more.

OnTheWarpath58
03-09-2008, 05:29 PM
Yet we glorify the guy who has been busted driving drunk TWICE......

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 05:34 PM
2003:
<b>"Unhappy that the NFL powers had warned him against skipping through the Indianapolis Colts' pregame warm-ups, Sapp blasted the NFL and Washington Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington in an interview Sunday on CBS' "The NFL Today."

"He got what he wanted," Sapp said of Arrington, "He snitched and slave master come down.
That's all that is. ... Stop a man from doing something that he's been doing for nine years? And so now there's a rule against me. Thanks. I knew (the league) was gonna do what they did because they've been notoriously against Sapp. Like I said before, it's a slave system. Make no mistake about it, slave master say you can't do it, don't do it. They'll make an example out of you."

Personally, I found Limbaugh’s comments to be insensitive and ignorant, but Sapp’s tirade is nothing short of asinine and insulting."</b>

Sapp the Philosopher.

Mecca
03-09-2008, 05:34 PM
Yet we glorify the guy who has been busted driving drunk TWICE......

It's worse to violate the rules of a football game than to possibly kill someone drunk driving....

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-09-2008, 05:35 PM
I still can't believe the Jets passed on him for Kyle Brady:

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Fruit Ninja
03-09-2008, 05:43 PM
Still waiting on what makes him a piece of shit human being. The smoking the Marijuana is the only thing that can be "considered' illegal, but 90 percent of everyone has smoked a joint or 10 before. I am on the plus 10 side in my earlier days.

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 06:13 PM
It's worse to violate the rules of a football game than to possibly kill someone drunk driving....

Yeah, just ask Chad Clifton:

Near the end of his 31-yard return, which set up a four-yard touchdown grab by wide receiver Joe Jurevicius and nudged the Bucs into a 14-7 lead, Sapp clearly launched himself into Clifton. The Green Bay starting left tackle then crumpled to the ground, lay there for several minutes, was finally strapped to a back board and taken from the field.
Clifton lost feeling in his extremities for a short period and, while he was on the ground, <b>Sapp was shown on the in-stadium video screens celebrating.</b>

The Bad Guy
03-09-2008, 06:14 PM
Of course, it's hard to forget the borderline hit Sapp laid on unsuspecting Green Bay offensive tackle Chad Clifton in 2002, a vicious block on an interception that easily could have ended Clifton's career. Sapp's lack of remorse on that play -- along with his shouting match with former Packers head coach Mike Sherman after the game -- offered a glimpse of the person he could be when he wasn't displaying his quick wit and natural charisma.

Just an example of the "Great Man".

So are all the OT's that cutblock DT's pieces of shit too?

dtebbe
03-09-2008, 06:50 PM
If Sapp was a Chief, we'd all love him. I'd love to have a guy that played as hard as he did, and who had an edge. The Chad Clifton thing was dirty, but pretty much legal. That's about the only tarnish I see with him. He's a pretty funny dude, and was a great player right to the end. After the weight he dropped last year, I figured he would be around a few more years. Alas, I think the Raiders sucked the last bit out of him a couple years early.

DT

dtebbe
03-09-2008, 06:51 PM
So are all the OT's that cutblock DT's pieces of shit too?

Only if they have a Donkey on their helmet. :cuss:

DT

mikey23545
03-09-2008, 07:01 PM
It's always amazing to see the amount of energy assholes will expend defending each other.
It's like a "Good Ol' Assholes Network". Do you guys have secret initiations and handshakes like the Masons?

JBucc
03-09-2008, 07:21 PM
It's always amazing to see the amount of energy assholes will expend defending each other.
It's like a "Good Ol' Assholes Network". Do you guys have secret initiations and handshakes like the Masons?
They must all be cock sucking liberals.

Demonpenz
03-09-2008, 07:24 PM
Who gives a shit about the chad cliffton deal. it's football, not a ****ing Will Smith video. Football is nasty people get killed and paralized, BFD. Sapp is a hall of famer and stayed out of trouble off the field

The Bad Guy
03-09-2008, 07:32 PM
It's always amazing to see the amount of energy assholes will expend defending each other.
It's like a "Good Ol' Assholes Network". Do you guys have secret initiations and handshakes like the Masons?

We just sit and laugh at you holier than thou people.

The Bad Guy
03-09-2008, 07:32 PM
Who gives a shit about the chad cliffton deal. it's football, not a ****ing Will Smith video. Football is nasty people get killed and paralized, BFD. Sapp is a hall of famer and stayed out of trouble off the field

Mikey does.

That's who.

Fruit Ninja
03-09-2008, 07:34 PM
It's always amazing to see the amount of energy assholes will expend defending each other.
It's like a "Good Ol' Assholes Network". Do you guys have secret initiations and handshakes like the Masons?

It amaze's me how people try to go out of their way to say someone is a human waste when they are just grasping for straws.

Valiant
03-09-2008, 07:43 PM
2003:
<b>The National Football League fined Tampa Bay defensive lineman Warren Sapp $50,000 yesterday for mistreating officials and threatened him with a suspension if his behavior did not improve.</b>

One more.

I wish our players were vicious enough to do that shit..

I thought the de-cleating of the guy on the int was textbook.. That is how football is suppose to be played.. Everybody is fair game on turnovers..

Valiant
03-09-2008, 07:46 PM
Yeah, just ask Chad Clifton:

Near the end of his 31-yard return, which set up a four-yard touchdown grab by wide receiver Joe Jurevicius and nudged the Bucs into a 14-7 lead, Sapp clearly launched himself into Clifton. The Green Bay starting left tackle then crumpled to the ground, lay there for several minutes, was finally strapped to a back board and taken from the field.
Clifton lost feeling in his extremities for a short period and, while he was on the ground, <b>Sapp was shown on the in-stadium video screens celebrating.</b>

**** yeah you celebrate.. That is a highlight for defenders, they want to knock the **** out of somebody.. He did not mean to injure him permanently, just knock the living life out of him during the game.. All defenders would have been celebrating with that hit, and then felt like shit after the game for injuring him..

Valiant
03-09-2008, 07:48 PM
If Sapp was a Chief, we'd all love him. I'd love to have a guy that played as hard as he did, and who had an edge. The Chad Clifton thing was dirty, but pretty much legal. That's about the only tarnish I see with him. He's a pretty funny dude, and was a great player right to the end. After the weight he dropped last year, I figured he would be around a few more years. Alas, I think the Raiders sucked the last bit out of him a couple years early.

DT

Agree.. It wasn't dirty, just really cheap.. Hell defenders are neutered now, they got to take their shots when then can..

And if he was a Chief you would have been hearing most fans talk about if for decades especially if it was against a division rival..

chagrin
03-09-2008, 08:08 PM
He was a great player but he was also your typical UM piece of shit human being.

wow, was he prosecuted in college for something?

Easy 6
03-09-2008, 08:13 PM
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Bowser
03-09-2008, 08:19 PM
I still can't believe the Jets passed on him for Kyle Brady:

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That will never, ever get old. LMAO

MVChiefFan
03-09-2008, 08:30 PM
I think anyone who's played serious football and was worth their salt doing it would have to agree, you try to "knock the sh*t" out of someone on every play. Of course you don't want a guy to die or be injured forever but trying to hurt somebody or knock them out of a game, HELL YEAH! If you don't play like that then two things happen, you don't play or you're the one getting carried off the field. That was a legal hit and he has every right to get excited about it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-09-2008, 08:32 PM
It's always amazing to see the amount of energy assholes will expend defending each other.
It's like a "Good Ol' Assholes Network". Do you guys have secret initiations and handshakes like the Masons?

Kind of like the amount you're spending defending your point of view here?