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Count Alex's Wins
03-10-2008, 10:43 AM
No word on whether they will issue a statement about how they've committed three of them as an organization.

The new sins are:
accumulating obscene wealth,
polluting the environment
genetic engineering
drug dealing
abortion
pedophilia
causing social injustice.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3517050.ece

Drug pushers, the obscenely rich, environmental polluters and “manipulative” genetic scientists beware – you may be in danger of losing your mortal soul unless you repent.

After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalisation. The list, published yesterday in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “securalised world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes”, including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell”.

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularised in the Middle Ages by Dante in The Inferno: lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 per cent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalisation”. Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an invididual matter, it now had “social resonance”.

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbour’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few”.

He said that two mortal sins which continued to preoccupy the Vatican were abortion, which offended “the dignity and rights of women”, and paedophilia, which had even infected the clergy itself and so had exposed the “human and institutional fragility of the Church”.

The mass media had “blown up” the issue “to discredit the Church”, but the Church itself was taking steps to deal with it.

Addressing the Apostolic Penitentiary seminar, the Pope said there was “a certain disaffection” with confession among the faithful. Priests had to show “divine tenderness for penitent sinners” and admit their own failings.

“Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own ‘I’, and their hearts harden in sin. Those who recognise themselves as weak and sinful entrust themselves to God, and from Him obtain grace and forgiveness.”

The Pope also complained that an increasing number of people in the secularised West were “making do without God”.

He said that hedonism and consumerism had even invaded “the bosom of the Church itself, deeply undermining the Christian faith from within, and undermining the lifestyle and daily behaviour of believers”.

Eastern Catholics do not recognise the same distinction between mortal and venial sins as the Western or Latin Church does, nor does it believe that those people who die in a state of sin are condemned to automatic damnation.

Cochise
03-10-2008, 10:50 AM
those all seem to be outworkings of greed or pride to me.

SLAG
03-10-2008, 10:53 AM
this is sooo nothing new.. anticlimactic if you ask me

BigChiefFan
03-10-2008, 10:58 AM
Roman-Catholics? The same Romans that cruxified Jesus are going to tell me how to live?

SLAG
03-10-2008, 10:59 AM
Roman-Catholics? The same Romans that cruxified Jesus are going to tell me how to live?


Hey now.. it was those Jews that killed Jesus we all know that

beach tribe
03-10-2008, 11:00 AM
those all seem to be outworkings of greed or pride to me.

undeniably.

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2008, 11:00 AM
Hey now.. it was those Jews that killed Jesus we all know that

Being Jewish is already a sin. :rolleyes:

jspchief
03-10-2008, 11:00 AM
Dear Worshippers,

Please do not be obscenely rich. If you fear you are in danger of such a sin, please up your tithe and we will use your money to build obscenely extravagant churches.

chasedude
03-10-2008, 11:01 AM
Hey now.. it was those Jews that killed Jesus we all know that

... and Jesus was King of the Jews, go figure.

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2008, 11:03 AM
... and Jesus was King of the Jews, go figure.

:grr:

SLAG
03-10-2008, 11:04 AM
Being Jewish is already a sin. :rolleyes:

Actually Pope Paul VI with the document "Nostrae Aetae" (In our Time) addressed this issue, we hold a great respect for the Jews

you can read the full document here:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

pikesome
03-10-2008, 11:05 AM
Hey now.. it was those Jews that killed Jesus we all know that

In defense of the Jews, they were doing exactly what God wanted/needed them to at the time. The story would have seemed pretty lame if Jesus showed up and everyone said "Hey, it's the Son of God. Let's party!"

SLAG
03-10-2008, 11:09 AM
In defense of the Jews, they were doing exactly what God wanted/needed them to at the time. The story would have seemed pretty lame if Jesus showed up and everyone said "Hey, it's the Son of God. Let's party!"


your right... and the church agrees

heres a snippit from Nostrae Aetate -


The Church, the Bride of Christ, acknowledges with a heart full of gratitude that, according to God's mysterious saving design, the beginnings of her faith and election go as far back as to the Israel of the Patriarchs and Prophets. Thus she acknowledges that all Christian believers, children of Abraham by faith (see Gal 3:7), are included in his call. Similarly, her salvation is prefigured in the deliverance of the Chosen People out of Egypt, as in a sacramental sign (Liturgy of the Easter Vigil). And the Church, a new creation in Christ (see Eph 2:15), can never forget that she is the spiritual continuation of the people with whom, in His mercy and gracious condescension, God made the Old Covenant.
The Church, in fact, believes that Christ, who "is our peace," embraces Jews and Gentiles with one and the same love and that He made the two one (see Eph 2:14). She rejoices that the union of these two "in one body" (Eph 2:16) proclaims the whole world's reconciliation in Christ. Even though the greater part of the Jewish people has remained separated from Christ, it would be an injustice to call this people accursed, since they are greatly beloved for the sake the of the Fathers and the promises made to them (see Rom 11:28). The Church loves this people. From them sprang Christ the Lord, who reigns in glory in heaven; from them sprang the Virgin Mary, mother of all Christians; from them came the Apostles, the pillars and bulwark of the Church (1 Tim 3:15).
Furthermore, the Church believes in the union of the Jewish people with herself as an integral part of Christian hope. With unshaken faith and deep longing the Church awaits union with this people. At the time of Christ's coming, "a remnant chosen by grace" (Rom 11:5), the very first fruits of the Church, accepted the Eternal Word. The Church believes, however, with the Apostle that at the appointed time, the fullness of the children of Abraham according to the flesh will embrace him who is salvation (see Rom 11:12, 26). Their acceptance will be life from the dead (see Rom 11:15).
As the Church, like a mother, condemns most severely injustices committed against innocent people everywhere, so she raises her voice in loud protest against all wrongs done to Jews, whether in the past or in our time. Whoever despises or persecutes this people does injury to the Catholic Church.

Duck Dog
03-10-2008, 11:20 AM
accumulating obscene wealth,

Hypocrisy. :rolleyes:

Pestilence
03-10-2008, 11:23 AM
Polluting the environment? Are the Hippies and Catholics working together now?

MIAdragon
03-10-2008, 11:24 AM
LMFAO "obscenely rich" The Vatican need to take a trip to the ATM and check its bank balance.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

SLAG
03-10-2008, 11:25 AM
Hypocrisy. :rolleyes:


The Vatican has a Budget about the size of the City of Chicago and Frequently runs on a Deficit

BigChiefFan
03-10-2008, 11:28 AM
The Vatican has a Budget about the size of the City of Chicago and Frequently runs on a DeficitWhat exactly is the Vatican doing to run a deficit?

SLAG
03-10-2008, 11:30 AM
What exactly is the Vatican doing to run a deficit?


Im not sure as I don't Balance their budget but dont forget Catholic Charities is the Largest Charitable organization in the world.

chasedude
03-10-2008, 11:32 AM
accumulating obscene wealth... Oil companys

drug dealers... Pfizer, Merck, etc

Mr. Plow
03-10-2008, 11:35 AM
Barry Bonds is screwed.....

BigChiefFan
03-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Im not sure as I don't Balance their budget but dont forget Catholic Charities is the Largest Charitable organization in the world.
It's hard to be charitable if you're running in the red. Deficit and the Vatican don't mesh.

pikesome
03-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Barry Bonds is screwed.....

And people say that religion serves no good purpose.

Brock
03-10-2008, 11:37 AM
This must be for the stupid people who don't innately know right from wrong.

SLAG
03-10-2008, 11:39 AM
This must be for the stupid people who don't innately know right from wrong.


This is a media stir, IMHO the article barely delves into mortal sin and the three requirements that must be present to actually commit a mortal sin

This article is a bunch of Hot air from a buffalo

irishjayhawk
03-10-2008, 11:41 AM
Mr. Nazi Pope opened his mouth again?

ROFL

SLAG
03-10-2008, 11:43 AM
Mr. Nazi Pope opened his mouth again?

ROFL

Saying the Pope is a Nazi is like saying Obama is a Terrorist

InChiefsHell
03-10-2008, 11:43 AM
This is a media stir, IMHO the article barely delves into mortal sin and the three requirements that must be present to actually commit a mortal sin

This article is a bunch of Hot air from a buffalo

Indeed, there is no "concrete list" of mortal sins. Its not just what you do, but WHY you do it. As you said, there are requirements that define what a mortal sin is. But, leave it to the media to generalize it to dumb it down. Lord forbid people actually get some Truth about what the Church teaches.

BigChiefFan
03-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Carl Peterson better repent...

accumulating obscene wealth-Carl has made millions off of utter incompetence.

polluting the environment-Carl's arrogance has been known to increase emission levels.

genetic engineering-Have you seen his hair?

drug dealing-He has to be otherwise who would still buy season tickets and keep him employed?

abortion-have you seen the teams he fields?

pedophilia-Carl has ****ed over young and old alike.

causing social injustice-this speaks for itself.


Carl might be Satan himself.

SLAG
03-10-2008, 11:46 AM
Carl Peterson better repent...

accumulating obscene wealth-Carl has made millions off of utter incompetence.

polluting the environment-Carl's arrogance has been known to increase emission levels.

genetic engineering-Have you seen his hair?

drug dealing-He has to be otherwise who would still buy season tickets and keep him employed?

abortion-have you seen the teams he fields?

pedophilia-Carl has ****ed over young and old alike.

causing social injustice-this speaks for itself.


Carl might be Satan himself.

there ya go

Now you make plenty of sense

gblowfish
03-10-2008, 11:50 AM
I'm going to proudly go into my local Quik Trip, fill my SUV with premium, spill some gas on the ground while topping off the tank, get six or seven monster sized Snickers bar (which I will not share with anyone) and a 44oz Coke, throw the straw wrapper on the floor while I fantasize about bending the checkout girl over the counter; be envious of her giant ta-ta's which my wife doesn't have, buy a lottery ticket and become furious when I don't hit the powerball, which would have given me the money to buy a couple pounds of coke, which I would use to enslave my neighborhood and make obscene amounts of money, and in the mean time, degrading their living conditions; which would, at the same time, give me enough money to tinker around with breeding yorkies and dacshunds to create a new dog, the 'dorkie," abort the ones that don't develop to my satisfaction, and round up and shoot all the priests that have been transferred four or five times for going homo with their alter boys.

Would that be wrong?

Braincase
03-10-2008, 12:02 PM
He might've been placed on the cross by Romans, at the insistance of the local Jewish leaders, but it seems like many want to keep killing him over and over again.

Reerun_KC
03-10-2008, 12:04 PM
Where is Believer when we need him/her?

Bowser
03-10-2008, 12:07 PM
TITHETITHETITHETITHETITHETITHETITHETITHE

Or you will go to hell.

SLAG
03-10-2008, 12:10 PM
TITHETITHETITHETITHETITHETITHETITHETITHE

Or you will go to hell.


Tithing is not a requirement in the Catholic church

Bowser
03-10-2008, 12:13 PM
Tithing is not a requirement in the Catholic church

Well, aparently having too much money is. I'm sure the tithe thing is implied.

bowener
03-10-2008, 12:14 PM
No word on whether they will issue a statement about how they've committed three of them as an organization.

The new sins are:
accumulating obscene wealth,
polluting the environment
genetic engineering
drug dealing
abortion
pedophilia
causing social injustice.


And I thought I hated everything you said... :clap:

Bowser
03-10-2008, 12:14 PM
And I don't know for a fact, but if god didn't wan't humans to gentically engineer shit, he wouldn't have given us the capability to figure out how to do it.

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 12:33 PM
I can't believe that they didn't include chop-blocking. I would've rather had that one on there than the "accumulate obscene wealth" one.

And on that note, I kind of wish I was Catholic right now, since I figure the church will be giving away a lot of gold, gems, cash, and silver over the coming months.

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 12:34 PM
And I don't know for a fact, but if god didn't wan't humans to gentically engineer shit, he wouldn't have given us the capability to figure out how to do it.

There's some pedophile out there making a similar argument for his own case.

Stryker
03-10-2008, 12:34 PM
I'm going to proudly go into my local Quik Trip, fill my SUV with premium, spill some gas on the ground while topping off the tank, get six or seven monster sized Snickers bar (which I will not share with anyone) and a 44oz Coke, throw the straw wrapper on the floor while I fantasize about bending the checkout girl over the counter; be envious of her giant ta-ta's which my wife doesn't have, buy a lottery ticket and become furious when I don't hit the powerball, which would have given me the money to buy a couple pounds of coke, which I would use to enslave my neighborhood and make obscene amounts of money, and in the mean time, degrading their living conditions; which would, at the same time, give me enough money to tinker around with breeding yorkies and dacshunds to create a new dog, the 'dorkie," abort the ones that don't develop to my satisfaction, and round up and shoot all the priests that have been transferred four or five times for going homo with their alter boys.

Would that be wrong?


ROFLROFLROFL

Coach
03-10-2008, 12:35 PM
Sinners.....

ChiefsFanatic
03-10-2008, 12:41 PM
I am a pretty big dumbass, so maybe I am way off, but The Catholic Church violates two of these new mortal sins almost by definition: Accumulating obscene wealth (I think it is safe to say that they have an obscene amount of money) and pedophilia (maybe it is only a sin if you don't pay your victims off)

CoMoChief
03-10-2008, 12:41 PM
No word on whether they will issue a statement about how they've committed three of them as an organization.

The new sins are:
accumulating obscene wealth,
polluting the environment
genetic engineering
drug dealing
abortion
pedophilia
causing social injustice.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3517050.ece

Numbers 1 and 6 amuse me because it seems as if the Church does them all the time, ESPECIALLY the first one.

chasedude
03-10-2008, 12:44 PM
Soon I discovered this rock thing was true. Jerry Lee Lewis was the Devil. Jesus was an architect previous to his career as prophet. All of a sudden I found myself in love with the world so there was only one thing left I could do, was dinga ding dang on my danga long ling long...

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 12:49 PM
What exactly is the Vatican doing to run a deficit?

Have you priced a popemobile lately?

Tribal Warfare
03-10-2008, 12:49 PM
Well Bill Gates has an one way ticket to hell by this declaration

chasedude
03-10-2008, 12:50 PM
Well Bill Gates has an one way ticket to hell by this declaration

IDK, I think he's working on those brownie points lately. He's becoming one helluva philanthropist

Chiefnj2
03-10-2008, 12:51 PM
It's about time. I was really growing bored with the first 7.

Anyone want to send me some $ for a sequel to 7? 14 is a lot of murders to squeeze in 2 hours of Pitt and Freeman, but we can do it.

sd4chiefs
03-10-2008, 12:52 PM
If there was a thread that qualifies for being moved to the Holly Land forum it is this one.

Mr. Laz
03-10-2008, 12:55 PM
Where is Believer when we need him/her?

Slag and Believer sound remarkable similar :hmmm:

plbrdude
03-10-2008, 12:56 PM
i thought this thread was a joke...wow. from a secular point of view i could see where they might need to update deadly sins. from a Biblical view, i think it was pretty well covered already.

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 12:57 PM
I would've gone with:

1. Chop-blocking.
2. Running stale yellows.
3. Urinating on the seat and not cleaning it up.
4. Drug dealing (We're on the same page here.)
5. Operating an airline with less than a 38" seat pitch and 24" width.
6. Pricing that's not all-inclusive of taxes and fees, including pricing air fares as "one-way fare based on round-trip purchase". (I could possibly replace this with the church's "polluting the earth" one, though theirs needs some editing.)
7. Making porn that involves men in any way.

I think my ideas would be more effective in improving life.

Sully
03-10-2008, 01:02 PM
This sounds like the most boring sequel ever...


http://members.cscoms.com/~suwat/poster/seven.jpg

Bowser
03-10-2008, 01:07 PM
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SLAG
03-10-2008, 01:08 PM
Slag and Believer sound remarkable similar :hmmm:

im not him

but KCJohnny and I are on the same Page as well as other Catholics on here

Thig Lyfe
03-10-2008, 01:09 PM
Genetic engineering?

So now trying to cure terrible diseases is a mortal sin.

Awesome.

vailpass
03-10-2008, 01:10 PM
Have you priced a popemobile lately?

ROFL

Lonewolf Ed
03-10-2008, 01:16 PM
Dear Worshippers,

Please do not be obscenely rich. If you fear you are in danger of such a sin, please up your tithe and we will use your money to build obscenely extravagant churches.

Behold one large nail firmly hit directly upon the head! :clap:

Bowser
03-10-2008, 01:27 PM
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Tig O Bittys
03-10-2008, 01:28 PM
Awesome another Catholic bashing thread

its been way too long..

Damn those Catholics and their ST. Jude Hospital for Children, how dare they try to cure the cancer that the good lord has stricken them with.. they deserve to die

Can we pick on Lutherans next? OR we all love a good Jew bashing thread we could use one of those.

wait I know

Lets bash Baptists!!! thats the Christian attitude, make fun of our brothers in Christ thats what he wanted us to do anyway, haven't you read the church fathers?

jspchief
03-10-2008, 01:36 PM
Awesome another Catholic bashing thread

its been way too long..

Damn those Catholics and their ST. Jude Hospital for Children, how dare they try to cure the cancer that the good lord has stricken them with.. they deserve to die

Can we pick on Lutherans next? OR we all love a good Jew bashing thread we could use one of those.

wait I know

Lets bash Baptists!!! thats the Christian attitude, make fun of our brothers in Christ thats what he wanted us to do anyway, haven't you read the church fathers?
If you're looking for my sympathy, you'll have to get in the back of the line. It starts somewhere behind the boys that were molested by priests that the church turned a blind eye to.

Bowser
03-10-2008, 01:37 PM
Damn those Catholics and their ST. Jude Hospital for Children, how dare they try to cure the cancer that the good lord has stricken them with.. they deserve to die



Better tell them to cure cancer with no help from genetic engineering. They'll go staraight to hell if they live.

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 01:39 PM
If you're looking for my sympathy, you'll have to get in the back of the line. It starts somewhere behind the boys that were molested by priests that the church turned a blind eye to.

Be careful, though. Those boys get nervous when you stand behind them.

Valiant
03-10-2008, 01:49 PM
There's some pedophile out there making a similar argument for his own case.

There are tons of Catholic Priests also with the argument..

Iowanian
03-10-2008, 01:49 PM
I'm going to proudly perform cunnilungus on my cats again.
Would that be wrong?

fyp

InChiefsHell
03-10-2008, 01:53 PM
There are tons of Catholic Priests also with the argument..

Define tons.

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 01:55 PM
Define tons.


More than 10 who each weigh 200 pounds?

Valiant
03-10-2008, 01:56 PM
Awesome another Catholic bashing thread

its been way too long..

Damn those Catholics and their ST. Jude Hospital for Children, how dare they try to cure the cancer that the good lord has stricken them with.. they deserve to die

Can we pick on Lutherans next? OR we all love a good Jew bashing thread we could use one of those.

wait I know

Lets bash Baptists!!! thats the Christian attitude, make fun of our brothers in Christ thats what he wanted us to do anyway, haven't you read the church fathers?

I don't think it is a Catholic Bashing thread.. But the Organization on a hole is very questionable..

It is just like everybody loves being Chiefs fans but hate the Chiefs organization because it is corrupt with no values and does not care for its fans.. This is how most people view the Catholic Church: Great ideas, never realized..

Lets take Judes hospital and trying to cure cancer, most of the money is from individuals not the church.. The church money goes into the corporate side of the Vatican and never helps the needy.. The Church instead of siding with the government and prosecuting the pedophiles to life imprisonment just moved them to different locations or paid off the victims..

The Catholics are the ones getting screwed by the Church and the practices, none of this is a bash on them.. More of empathy then anything because they cannot see the mountain because they are standing on it...

Valiant
03-10-2008, 01:57 PM
Define tons.

The thousands of cases over decades of abuse?? Most of which never made it to court because they were settled with payments??

vailpass
03-10-2008, 02:11 PM
fyp

ROFL Holy shite!

Brock
03-10-2008, 02:11 PM
I'm surprised they didn't add contraception.

vailpass
03-10-2008, 02:16 PM
I don't think it is a Catholic Bashing thread.. But the Organization on a hole is very questionable..

It is just like everybody loves being Chiefs fans but hate the Chiefs organization because it is corrupt with no values and does not care for its fans.. This is how most people view the Catholic Church: Great ideas, never realized..

Lets take Judes hospital and trying to cure cancer, most of the money is from individuals not the church.. The church money goes into the corporate side of the Vatican and never helps the needy.. The Church instead of siding with the government and prosecuting the pedophiles to life imprisonment just moved them to different locations or paid off the victims..

The Catholics are the ones getting screwed by the Church and the practices, none of this is a bash on them.. More of empathy then anything because they cannot see the mountain because they are standing on it...

I'm sure you mean well but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Some fact gathering is usually a good idea before making blanket statements.

InChiefsHell
03-10-2008, 02:26 PM
The thousands of cases over decades of abuse?? Most of which never made it to court because they were settled with payments??

OK, just checking. There have been about 14K over the last 50 years, which is totally unacceptable. I was just making sure that you weren't going to say "millions" or something like that. People like to exaggerate the numbers.

And I'm not so naive as to think that anyone could be convinced that the Church is totally wounded over this, or that she is doing everything she can to repair an un-reparable hurt. But, the Church is trying....

http://www.usccb.org/ocyp/annualreport.pdf

...I know it will never be enough for many, especially the haters. I know that no amount of good that the Church has done or will do will ever erase the wrongs committed here, nor will it ever erase the the gleeful hatred that anti-Catholics brandish with this new weapon against the Church.

I just wonder when people will actually look at what the Church says and judge it on that rather than falling back on the 'ol faithful "Oh yeah, well you're priests are all a bunch of baby fuggers!!"

I hate that this happened, it deeply saddens me and angers me, and it makes dialog with people who are just looking for another reason to hate the church just about impossible.

But I will not leave the Church, for she contains the fullness of Truth, regardless of the poor, weak and in some cases disdainful human beings who run it. The church is run by humans, and as God and the rest of us know, humans pretty much suck. We must depend on God first and foremost, which is what the Church teaches.

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2008, 02:28 PM
as God and the rest of us know, humans pretty much suck.

Maybe you do, but I'm pretty awesome. :D

InChiefsHell
03-10-2008, 02:30 PM
More than 10 who each weigh 200 pounds?

That would indeed be tons. Thanks!!ROFL

InChiefsHell
03-10-2008, 02:31 PM
Maybe you do, but I'm pretty awesome. :D


OK, fine. There are exceptions to every rule...:)

el borracho
03-10-2008, 02:40 PM
Ah, rewriting/ re-interpreting the "holy word of god"... marketing must have been bored.

http://web.mit.edu/cms/bcc/blogpics/colonel_sanders.gif

BigMeatballDave
03-10-2008, 02:57 PM
If you're looking for my sympathy, you'll have to get in the back of the line. It starts somewhere behind the boys that were molested by priests that the church turned a blind eye to.:clap: I was waiting for someone to bring this up. The Vatican is full of ****ing hypocrites. They bitched about the US building a wall on the Mexican border. Um, Hello?!

BigMeatballDave
03-10-2008, 02:59 PM
More than 10 who each weigh 200 pounds?LMAO

gblowfish
03-10-2008, 02:59 PM
Personally, I'm not buying the upgrade.

It has conflicts with too many of my resident apps.

BigMeatballDave
03-10-2008, 03:01 PM
I don't think it is a Catholic Bashing thread.. But the Organization on a hole is very questionable..

ROFL

ottawa_chiefs_fan
03-10-2008, 04:00 PM
:clap: I was waiting for someone to bring this up. The Vatican is full of ****ing hypocrites. They bitched about the US building a wall on the Mexican border. Um, Hello?!

While I question the need to "re-brand" the mortal sin(s), I would point out that if they had NOT included paedophilia in their list - the shit would have hit the fan far harder - in that case, everyone would say - "you mean you are saying that all those priests did NOT commit a mortal sin and are NOT damned to eternal punishment?" - classic damned if you do and damned if you don't - better to leave the originals untouched.....

irishjayhawk
03-10-2008, 05:06 PM
So if St. Judes cures cancer but only by genetic modification, does that mean everyone who A) funded B) Researched C) Benefited are going to hell? Does that mean their institution is going to hell?

Slippery.

Demonpenz
03-10-2008, 06:16 PM
selling a plant that god made will send me to jail?

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 06:34 PM
selling a plant that god made will send me to jail?

God doesn't like people screwing up their noses and veins. He spent a long time working on nose design, even if he admits that he didn't do a very good job on the whole sinus part.

Bowser
03-10-2008, 06:48 PM
God doesn't like people screwing up their noses and veins. He spent a long time working on nose design, even if he admits that he didn't do a very good job on the whole sinus part.

I never pictured God as a snobby ENT specialist. Interesting.

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 07:12 PM
I never pictured God as a snobby ENT specialist. Interesting.

He loves noses. That's why they're on all of the animals.

BigMeatballDave
03-10-2008, 07:42 PM
God doesn't like people screwing up their noses and veins. He spent a long time working on nose design, even if he admits that he didn't do a very good job on the whole sinus part.I wasn't aware people snorted marijuana...

Ari Chi3fs
03-10-2008, 07:47 PM
I'm going to proudly go into my local Quik Trip, fill my SUV with premium, spill some gas on the ground while topping off the tank, get six or seven monster sized Snickers bar (which I will not share with anyone) and a 44oz Coke, throw the straw wrapper on the floor while I fantasize about bending the checkout girl over the counter; be envious of her giant ta-ta's which my wife doesn't have, buy a lottery ticket and become furious when I don't hit the powerball, which would have given me the money to buy a couple pounds of coke, which I would use to enslave my neighborhood and make obscene amounts of money, and in the mean time, degrading their living conditions; which would, at the same time, give me enough money to tinker around with breeding yorkies and dacshunds to create a new dog, the 'dorkie," abort the ones that don't develop to my satisfaction, and round up and shoot all the priests that have been transferred four or five times for going homo with their alter boys.

Would that be wrong?

eerie... its likes you are following me around or something. STALKER!!!

Davechief
03-10-2008, 09:13 PM
You forgot Sin #8

Working a 5 year plan for 20 Years!

Rain Man
03-10-2008, 10:49 PM
I wasn't aware people snorted marijuana...

Maybe you should go to church more often, then.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-10-2008, 10:58 PM
Become, vengeance, David.
Become...wrath.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/GOTJ05/johndoe.jpg

RedThat
03-11-2008, 12:07 AM
Im finding it hard to believe why some ppl take #1 with a grain of salt(accumumalting obscene wealth)...I understand it doesn't sound good coming from the vatican and that they are probably rich themselves, but honestly don't let that blind you or underlook it?

It is in fact a truth, and was preached by Jesus Christ.

Jesus did say,

"Do not store up riches for yourselves here on earth. Where moths and rusts destroy, and robbers break in and steal. Instead, store up riches for yourselves in heaven. Where moths and rust cannot destroy, and robbers cannot break in and steal. For your heart will always lie where your riches are."(Matthew 6:19-21)

Have any of you ever read the passage in the bible about the young rich man? That story is also in the book of Matthew. I think it is (Matthew 19:16) I believe? I encourage you to read it if you're interested. A very good story, and very interesting.

*Also, Jesus..did say, "No one can be a slave of 2 masters. You cannot serve both God and Money."

there is no secret that behind riches lies a lot of evil. Because being rich all boils down to selfishness and greed. And that is not who the Lord is.

InChiefsHell
03-11-2008, 05:55 AM
Im finding it hard to believe why some ppl take #1 with a grain of salt(accumumalting obscene wealth)...I understand it doesn't sound good coming from the vatican and that they are probably rich themselves, but honestly don't let that blind you or underlook it?

It is in fact a truth, and was preached by Jesus Christ.

Jesus did say,

"Do not store up riches for yourselves here on earth. Where moths and rusts destroy, and robbers break in and steal. Instead, store up riches for yourselves in heaven. Where moths and rust cannot destroy, and robbers cannot break in and steal. For your heart will always lie where your riches are."(Matthew 6:19-21)

Have any of you ever read the passage in the bible about the young rich man? That story is also in the book of Matthew. I think it is (Matthew 19:16) I believe? I encourage you to read it if you're interested. A very good story, and very interesting.

*Also, Jesus..did say, "No one can be a slave of 2 masters. You cannot serve both God and Money."

there is no secret that behind riches lies a lot of evil. Because being rich all boils down to selfishness and greed. And that is not who the Lord is.

Amen. Though, this does not mean that being a wealthy person is a bad thing. It's what you do with the gifts God has given you. This is why a guy like Bill Gates is on the right track. He is extremely generous (even if he did make his money off of and operating system that may very well be of the devil...heheheh). No, it is not sinful to have wealth, but it is sinful to hoarde it and not help your fellow man. To those whom much has been given, much will be expected...

Ebolapox
03-11-2008, 06:40 AM
so-- the people who made it to heaven BEFORE the new pope declared these mortal sins (who skated with them all the way to the pearly gates)-- does god or somebody hit the giant red button in the sky pulling the trap door on them, sending them on the giant slide into hell? cause that would just be CRUEL.

InChiefsHell
03-11-2008, 07:17 AM
so-- the people who made it to heaven BEFORE the new pope declared these mortal sins (who skated with them all the way to the pearly gates)-- does god or somebody hit the giant red button in the sky pulling the trap door on them, sending them on the giant slide into hell? cause that would just be CRUEL.

These are not new mortal sins. This is the Times UK making a mountain out of a mole hill.:rolleyes:

Jenson71
03-11-2008, 07:32 AM
so-- the people who made it to heaven BEFORE the new pope declared these mortal sins (who skated with them all the way to the pearly gates)-- does god or somebody hit the giant red button in the sky pulling the trap door on them, sending them on the giant slide into hell? cause that would just be CRUEL.

It's a great example of assuming the media knows what they're talking about. Like some other things I've seen recently about the Church portrayed by the media (the issues with the Muslims and Protestants) this is another story that shows how pathetic things get twisted to sell stories.

InChiefsHell
03-11-2008, 03:04 PM
From NewsBusters:

Media Falsely Portrays Bishop’s Opinion in Interview as ‘New’ Sins
Photo of Matthew Balan.
By Matthew Balan | March 11, 2008 - 13:05 ET

NewsBusters.org - Media Research CenterA supposed list of "new sins" from the Vatican, such as pollution and genetic manipulation, made headlines across the world on Monday. The list actually didn’t come from any official Catholic Church document, but from an interview of a bishop that was published in L'Osservatore Romano, the "semi-official" newspaper in Vatican City, and it exposed the mainstream media’s fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity in general, and the Catholic Church specifically.

L'Osservatore Romano printed the interview of Gianfranco Girotti, a bishop who is a member of the Vatican’s Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Penitentiary, in its March 9 edition. In it, Girotti discussed "new forms of social sin," and gave examples such genetic manipulation and drug trafficking. Girotti, who is the number-two official at the Tribunal, is in the mid-level of the Vatican’s bureaucracy, and wouldn’t make any official decisions on behalf of the Catholic Church.

Despite Girotti’s lack of real authority, the mainstream media hyped up the interview as being authoritative. The Daily Telegraph’s website claimed that Girotti’s list of "new forms of social sin" "replaces the list originally drawn up by Pope Gregory the Great in the 6th Century, which included envy, gluttony, greed, lust, wrath and pride." Reuters’ article reported that "the Vatican has told the faithful that they should be aware of "new" sins such as causing environmental blight." CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, on Monday’s "The Situation Room," even went so far to say that "some Christian teachings say love thy neighbor and don't lie, cheat, or steal? But might would one more virtue be added -- go green? Find out why the pope says polluting the planet is a sin." And Pope Benedict XVI wasn’t even the one who was interviewed by L'Osservatore Romano!

But Phil Lawler of Catholic World News blasted the media for their irresponsible reporting of the interview. He first labeled the Daily Telegraph’s claim that the new list replaced Pope Gregory’s list as "pI have nothing to adderous," and then clarified what the interview actually meant. "When a second-tier Vatican official gives a newspaper interview, he is not proclaiming new Church doctrines. Archbishop Girotti was obviously trying to offer a new, provocative perspective on some enduring truths. The effort backfired -- but in a very revealing way."

Lawler continued:

Quote:
An ordinary reader, basing his opinion only on the inane Telegraph coverage, might conclude that a "sin," in the Catholic understanding, is nothing more than a violation of rules set down by a group of men in Rome. If these rules are entirely arbitrary, then Vatican officials can change them at will; some sins will cease to exist and other "new sins" will replace them. But that notion of sin is ludicrous.

Sin is an objective wrong: a violation of God's law. What is sinful today will be sinful tomorrow, and a deadly sin will remain deadly, whether or not Telegraph editors recognize the moral danger. The traditional list of deadly sins remains intact; nothing has replaced it. Greed, gluttony, and lust are as wrong today as they were a day or a year or a century ago. If Archbishop Girotti referred to "new" sins, it is because some of the offenses he named (such as genetic manipulation) were impossible in the past, and others (such as international drug trafficking) are much more prevalent today, in a global society. Insofar as people could have engaged in these activities a century ago, they would have been sinful then as well....

The fundamental point of the L'Osservatore Romano interview was that Catholics need to recover a sense of sin, make use of the sacrament of Confession, and receive absolution for their offenses. Sin, the archbishop insisted, is a reality that man cannot escape.

Archbishop Girotti said that the modern world does not understand the nature of sin. With their coverage of the interview, the mass media unintentionally underlined the prelate's point.


Of course, the mainstream media, fixated as they are on "climate change," are going to hype up Bishop Girotti’s mentioning of pollution as a "new form of social sin."

—Matthew Balan is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.

Take that, you heathens!! heheheheh...

Ebolapox
03-11-2008, 03:34 PM
y'all still didn't answer my (somewhat) serious question: if something wasn't a sin until just now (as a modern 'reinterpretation/events seen in a modern light' sort of way), what happens to those who committed the sins for the thousands of years prior to them being sins? do they skate?

and not to get into a religion debate: because they're always pointless... but what about when 'limbo' was eliminated-- what happened to the souls of children and all of those who were in limbo? did they just vanish, or what? makes no sense to me either way...

SLAG
03-11-2008, 05:07 PM
y'all still didn't answer my (somewhat) serious question: if something wasn't a sin until just now (as a modern 'reinterpretation/events seen in a modern light' sort of way), what happens to those who committed the sins for the thousands of years prior to them being sins? do they skate?

For someone to be in MORTAL sin there are three conditions that MUST be met:

Full Knowledge - You must know its wrong

Grave Matter- It must be serious - Stealing $1 from a Billionaire is not serious

Full Consent - I'm Going to do it anyway

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If those conditions are not met, they can not be held accountable, if grave matter as involved then the gravity of the sin does not change just the persons culpability

and not to get into a religion debate: because they're always pointless... but what about when 'limbo' was eliminated-- what happened to the souls of children and all of those who were in limbo? did they just vanish, or what? makes no sense to me either way...

Limbo was NOT eliminated that was another thing blown out of proportion

The church basically said that if you dont want to belive in Limbo then you dont have to, it has not been defined as Dogma - Personally I still believe in Limbo

Jenson71
03-11-2008, 05:11 PM
y'all still didn't answer my (somewhat) serious question: if something wasn't a sin until just now (as a modern 'reinterpretation/events seen in a modern light' sort of way), what happens to those who committed the sins for the thousands of years prior to them being sins? do they skate?

and not to get into a religion debate: because they're always pointless... but what about when 'limbo' was eliminated-- what happened to the souls of children and all of those who were in limbo? did they just vanish, or what? makes no sense to me either way...

I'm not sure what an example of something that could be a sin now that wasn't always a sin. Sin is an offense against God, reason, truth, and right conscience. This is unchanging forever.

Limbo wasn't really eliminated. The ideas is that children who weren't baptized and died, through abortion or miscarriage or else, went to limbo. It's more of a theological debate, rather than dogma or doctrine, and that's why I say it wasn't eliminated. As the Church solidified the importance of the Sacraments, it was natural to wonder what would happen, and Limbo become a logical suggestion and one I think everyone generally accepted.

Most modern theology says essentially "we're not sure what happens to babies who die without being baptized. But our faith lies in God and we hope and pray that He will take care of them."