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Mr. Kotter
03-10-2008, 11:48 AM
This seems like a updated site that does a pretty good job of "weighting" issues, and prioritizing them in a way that helps you sort through the mush of agreeing and disagreeing on a variety of issues for each candidtate.


:thumb:
http://glassbooth.org

It also provides interesting analysis and citations, which seems to do a good job of explaining why you agree or disagree with a given candidate's positions--given that candidate's recored and rhetoric.


My results:

McCain 76%
Obama 70%

:hmmm:



Hillary Clinton....not on my radar. :D

StcChief
03-10-2008, 11:56 AM
McCain 76%
Obama 70% That's just NEW Math.

pikesome
03-10-2008, 11:58 AM
McCain 76%
Paul 58%
Obama 56%


Too bad it didn't take into account McCain's feckless finger-licking.

chagrin
03-10-2008, 12:06 PM
that little pre quiz is ridiculous, I didn't take it.

Cochise
03-10-2008, 12:10 PM
McCain 71
Paul 69
Clinton 36
Obama 36

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2008, 12:12 PM
that little pre quiz is ridiculous, I didn't take it.

If you take the time to, honestly, rank your priorities....and then, conscientiously and candidly answer the questions, among my colleagues....we are 12 out of 13.....that it has "correctly" chosen the person's current preference.

:shrug:

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2008, 12:13 PM
That's just NEW Math.

I swear. I took it once. It's right on the mark, as far as I can see.

StcChief
03-10-2008, 12:27 PM
McCain 72
Paul 60
Obama 53

RedDread
03-10-2008, 12:30 PM
Has me most similar to Mike Gravel, but Obama is #2.

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2008, 12:34 PM
82% for my top choice

Sully
03-10-2008, 12:36 PM
Obama 84%
Clinton 83%
Gravel 79%

banyon
03-10-2008, 12:43 PM
Mike Gravel 69%
Ron Paul 57%

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2008, 01:14 PM
82% for my top choice

:eek:

Wow. Stalin's been dead for 58 years. That's what I call loyalty.

;)

Sully
03-10-2008, 01:19 PM
Obama 84%
Clinton 83%
Gravel 79%

The weird thing is that I don't remember answering a question about how much I think he should be worshipped, or how gud he tawlks.

patteeu
03-10-2008, 01:26 PM
McCain 76%
Paul 55%
Obama 46%
Clinton 45%

Carlota69
03-10-2008, 01:28 PM
Gravel, then BO and Clinton tied at second.

HonestChieffan
03-10-2008, 01:41 PM
When you read Omamababys stand on gun control it shows how he feels about our constitution. What a disaster he would be.

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2008, 01:57 PM
When you read Omamababys stand on gun control it shows how he feels about our constitution. What a disaster he would be.

Yeah, because you have a constitutional right to own semi-automatic weapons. :rolleyes:

orange
03-10-2008, 01:59 PM
I wonder what that 1% difference is between Obama and Clinton that keeps showing up.

patteeu
03-10-2008, 02:00 PM
Yeah, because you have a constitutional right to own semi-automatic weapons. :rolleyes:

Semi-automatic weapons are no big deal. If you can ban those, you can ban just about anything. Are you willing to allow people to carry muzzle loaders?

tiptap
03-10-2008, 04:11 PM
Obama or Clinton and then Gravel. I didn't need the test to know this.

Calcountry
03-10-2008, 04:23 PM
McCain 73% Blow Paul 61% and Ambomination that causes terrorists to dance in the streets. 35%

patteeu
03-10-2008, 04:32 PM
I wonder what that 1% difference is between Obama and Clinton that keeps showing up.

Good question.

Carlota69
03-10-2008, 04:39 PM
I wonder what that 1% difference is between Obama and Clinton that keeps showing up.

Stance on :bong:?

Chieficus
03-10-2008, 06:53 PM
McCain 71%, Paul 59, Obama 44, Clinton 40, Gravel 28

Now among the drop outs it had Trancedo at 84 and Hunter at 81...

Bowser
03-10-2008, 07:05 PM
Semi-automatic weapons are no big deal. If you can ban those, you can ban just about anything. Are you willing to allow people to carry muzzle loaders?

I bet employees working the midnight shift at QuickTrip or 7 Eleven would feel better.


:D

ClevelandBronco
03-10-2008, 07:19 PM
McCain 77, Obama 39, Clinton 33

noa
03-10-2008, 07:39 PM
I didn't match up that highly with anyone.

Obama 60%
McCain 56%
Clinton 55%

That makes me feel better about my previous stance that I will vote for McCain if Obama doesn't get the nod. Not only will I be pissed at the Dem party as a whole, but I don't think I could ever vote for Hillary after watching her kamikaze campaign that's going to damage the entire party.

Logical
03-10-2008, 08:22 PM
that little pre quiz is ridiculous, I didn't take it.

I agree, it makes no sense to me. Hell if I took that a dozen times I would probably give those different issues more or less points 10 of the 12 times depending on my mood and what has happened that day or even that hour.

Count Alex's Losses
03-10-2008, 09:08 PM
Obama 74%

Hillary 71%

Miike Gravel 65%

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2008, 09:30 PM
I agree, it makes no sense to me. Hell if I took that a dozen times I would probably give those different issues more or less points 10 of the 12 times depending on my mood and what has happened that day or even that hour.

Come on, Jim. I used to give you more credit than this. Seriously. Patteeu, Cochise....Taco penchief, Duhnise....maybe; but you? Come on....

Seriously...I've been big on Defense/Security (now terrorism), Spending/Taxes, Restrained Government Growth....since 1980. "Lesser" issues are decided during the cycle leading up to the election year; this year---health care, trade (NAFTA/GATT reform), immigration, and Education (NCLB).

The primary issues push me toward McCain; the secondary, but increasingly important issues, push me toward Obama....which is why ideologues have a hard time figuring me out. Hell, I thought you might...kinda be on board.

Guess not.... :hmmm:

Logical
03-10-2008, 09:42 PM
Come on, Jim. I used to give you more credit than this. Seriously. Patteeu, Cochise....Taco penchief, Duhnise....maybe; but you? Come on....

Seriously...I've been big on Defense/Security (now terrorism), Spending/Taxes, Restrained Government Growth....since 1980. "Lesser" issues are decided during the cycle leading up to the election year; this year---health care, trade (NAFTA/GATT reform), immigration, and Education (NCLB).

The primary issues push me toward McCain; the secondary, but increasingly important issues, push me toward Obama....which is why ideologues have a hard time figuring me out. Hell, I thought you might...kinda be on board.

Guess not.... :hmmm:

I am betting that people are getting ridiculously different results because of the arbitrary differences between those plus and minuses. The only way people are going to have comparable results is if a standard set of +s are used. Tell you what, tell me what you gave the +s to and I will do the same and take the quiz to see what our comparable results are.

Example of why this is important, I probably would give civil liberties a +4, Iraq a +4, the economy a +4, gay rights a +2, abortion rights a +2, taxes and budget a +4 which would use up my 20. You don't think how you rate those would make a huge difference?

Logical
03-10-2008, 09:56 PM
...
Example of why this is important, I probably would give civil liberties a +4, Iraq a +4, the economy a +4, gay rights a +2, abortion rights a +2, taxes and budget a +4 which would use up my 20. You don't think how you rate those would make a huge difference?

Using those and throwing out the one non-candidate

I came up with

65% Ron Paul
60% HRC
59% Obama
38%a McCain

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2008, 10:33 PM
I am betting that people are getting ridiculously different results because of the arbitrary differences between those plus and minuses. The only way people are going to have comparable results is if a standard set of +s are used. Tell you what, tell me what you gave the +s to and I will do the same and take the quiz to see what our comparable results are.

Example of why this is important, I probably would give civil liberties a +4, Iraq a +4, the economy a +4, gay rights a +2, abortion rights a +2, taxes and budget a +4 which would use up my 20. You don't think how you rate those would make a huge difference?

Of course they would make a huge difference; that's the point. It's a point LOST on "ideologically-motivated" types who think.....votes come down to ideology, when...in fact....votes, among educated folks who are really paying attention, come down to ISSUES and, yes, to a lesser extent "style."

I think, if you look closely....we would BOTH validate that; it's issues that we prioritize that move us in somewhat different (Paul vs. McCain) yet somewhat similar (Obama) directions.

:D

My 20, IIRC was:

Iraq & Foreign Policy: +4
Trade and Economy: +3
Taxes and Budget: +3
Immigration: +2
Health Care: +2
Environment: +2
Education: + 2
Crime and Punishment: +1
Social Security:+ 1

Logical
03-10-2008, 10:46 PM
...
:D

My 20, IIRC was:

Iraq & Foreign Policy: +4
Trade and Economy: +3
Taxes and Budget: +3
Immigration: +2
Health Care: +2
Environment: +2
Education: + 2
Crime and Punishment: +1
Social Security:+ 1

Using your 20 my results were

66% Obama
64% HRC
56% Ron Paul
55% McCain

Mr. Kotter
03-10-2008, 11:19 PM
Using your 20 my results were

66% Obama
64% HRC
56% Ron Paul
55% McCain

I guess we can "almost" agree then....on Obama (the difference being Prioritization of issues, eh? :shrug:)

:hmmm:

patteeu
03-11-2008, 07:16 AM
Of course they would make a huge difference; that's the point. It's a point LOST on "ideologically-motivated" types who think.....votes come down to ideology, when...in fact....votes, among educated folks who are really paying attention, come down to ISSUES and, yes, to a lesser extent "style."

I think, if you look closely....we would BOTH validate that; it's issues that we prioritize that move us in somewhat different (Paul vs. McCain) yet somewhat similar (Obama) directions.

:D

My 20, IIRC was:

Iraq & Foreign Policy: +4
Trade and Economy: +3
Taxes and Budget: +3
Immigration: +2
Health Care: +2
Environment: +2
Education: + 2
Crime and Punishment: +1
Social Security:+ 1

Sometimes I don't think you understand what ideology is. It's not an absence of the ability to prioritize. It's the presence of a philosophy against which you can evaluate that which you've prioritized. I think most people, if they could self-analyze, would find that they adhere to an ideology. It's just that the ideology of people like you is so convoluted and inconsistent that you can't put your finger on it. I'll identify your ideology though. It's the "support for whatever is self-serving, feels good, seems cool, and will allow me maximum flexibility so I can't be pinned down" ideology.