View Full Version : Well grbac's season just got harder

08-08-2001, 10:06 PM
Jamal Lewis is out for the season with a torn ACL in practice. So 'ol Elvis has even less of a running game and less talented recievers than he left behind in KC? Heh-heh.:)

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 10:09 PM
They've still got the second best defense in the game (I say Tennessee was better last year). Don't discount that.

And careful with the laughter and "haha elvis is screwed" stuff, because karma has a strange way of paying folks back for that sort of mean-spirited levity. SlyMo's injury is more than enough for us to have to deal with this season, let's not jinx ourselves.

Once again, I'm not superstitious...

...except when talking football.

Fat Elvis
08-08-2001, 10:14 PM
I don't think that the Ravens D will be as good this year. First of all, look at thier schedule last year (well this year too) Browns x2, Bungals x2--you get the point. Anyway, I think a major reason why their D did so well was the simple fact that Jamal kept the offense on the field a loooong time. The Ravens didn't score a lot of points, but they ate up a lot of clock. You take away thier running game and the D is on the field a lot longer thant they were last year. They are gonna wear down and they are gonna get scored on.

08-08-2001, 10:20 PM
I was merely chuckling over the perceived ease at which Elvis could go throughout the season.

"Gee this team is so good, all I gotta do is handoff to Jamal and let the defense take care of itself. There is no pressure whatsoever on me because I was a backup for Steve Young when I won my Super Bowl ring"

Not any more.

08-08-2001, 10:20 PM
Tennessee D was better last year?!?!?!

The Raven set all kind of NFL defensive records last year, and MANY people considered last years Raven D the best ever.

I guess everybody has their own opinion though


08-08-2001, 10:21 PM
I agree with Keg...forget about Grbac and stop talking about it...

We definitely don't need to get jinxed into having injuries like this happen to us.

I'm definitely superstitious when it comes to football. :D

08-08-2001, 10:24 PM
The Titans finished ahead of the Ravens in several defensive categories last year. I wouldn't consider them better, though. The Ravens had the intangibles...

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 10:46 PM
2000 defensive statistics:

Total yards against
Tennessee: 4151
Baltimore: 4145

Total rushing yards against:
Tennessee: 1390
Baltimore: 970

Total passing yards against
Tennessee: 2761
Baltimore: 3175

Opponent's 3rd/4th down percentage
Tennessee: 29.6%
Baltimore: 33.0%

Tennessee: 55
Baltimore: 35

Defensive TDs
Tennessee: 5
Baltmore: 1

TDs against
Tennessee: 17 (7 rush, 10 pass)
Baltimore: 16 (5 rush, 11 pass)

FGs against
Tennessee: 17
Baltimore: 14

Just because the media hyped one D and not the other doesn't mean they weren't both good... :rolleyes:

08-08-2001, 10:50 PM
The most important stat of all:

Tennessee - 0
Baltimore - 1

Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 10:52 PM

At the end of your post, you should have, "and a Super Bowl victory for Ravens...priceless."


keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:01 PM
That Gannon thing does give them some points in my book.

I'm not saying Titans were far-and-away the better defense or anything like that, I just think they had the tougher schedule of the two teams but performed on par with Baltimore, had 20 more sacks and 4 more defensive TDs, while giving up a grand total of 1 more TD and 3 more fgs. But nobody talked about that defense all season long, it was all "Ravens this, and Ravens that..."

Yes Baltimore beat them head-to-head in the playoffs, but Tennessee only gave up 166 yards (49 rushing) to the Ravens while Baltimore gave up 322 yards to Tenny (126 of those on the ground). But it's the same story as always, the Titans need a d@mn quarterback (McNair sucks!)...

I think this year, if the Titans still have 2 good corners, they'll have the best defense, bar none. Adding Kevin Carter makes them scary-good IMHO.

But McNair's gotta go, or that team isn't a legitimate SB contender in my mind (although I guess if Doug Williams can win a Super Bowl, anyone can...)

08-08-2001, 11:07 PM
Kyle mentioned karma in his first post - that it was bad karma for us to enjoy this, as it might come back to haunt us.

It could be however, that this is karma taking a big bite out of Girlbac's a$$ for being a rotten, traitorous pr!ck. This sounds like bad luck for Baltimore, not us.

My condolances to Lewis - I have nothing against him. But anything that negatively impacts Smelvis works for me. I can feel that trapped, glazed, deer-in-the-headlights look forming on his face already. Thank God it won't be forming in Arrowhead.

But if the Ravens' season goes to hell, at least he'll have his first excuse ready. I'm sure others will come in time, and none of the blame, of course, will be on him.

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:10 PM
I agree 'zod, that this could be karma taking a chunk out of Grbac's tail, but at the same time, we don't want the same happening to us do we?

Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 11:11 PM
I think you guys are a little paranoid.


Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 11:14 PM
Don't worry, Kyle.

Everything happens for a reason. You have to look at what happened to you (whether it be good or bad) and say, 'this happened for the good, not the bad. Don't take it as, the victim role, so to speak.


superstitious=chinese bull ****

and you get what you deserve

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:14 PM
Cody, I used to think it was paranoid too, but after laughing at an injury about 10 years ago, karma taught me a lesson by granting me an ACL tear and year-long rehab.

Laugh all you want, but I tell you, don't **** with karma.

08-08-2001, 11:18 PM
At this point, how could our f#cking luck get any worse? Two decades of futility after the Superbowl win. Then Montana comes on, and even he can't save us. Then Lin Elliot's three missed FG's? Then the loss to Denver that was straight out of a bad Twilight Zone episode? Then Stoyshankovich tanking the FG against the Raiders? Then DT's sensless death? Then Gunther? Karma's been eating us alive for decades - I'm kind of wondering what the hell we did to deserve it.

Hopefully, though, it followed Smelvis to Baltimore and will leave us alone now. Seems like we've had enough.

08-08-2001, 11:19 PM
I think the Ravens D will not be nearly as good this year. You give someone a year to figure something out and they're probably going to figure it out. Not to say the D wil suck or anything like that, but they won't be nearly as good as they were last year.

Frazod, with our luck, either Marty and the 3 stooges or Ricardo Gannon and Alice Davis will win the Superbowl this year...

08-08-2001, 11:20 PM
I agree that Grbac's season just got harder with J.Lewis's injury. Chris Barnes and Jason Brookins are the #2 and #3 RB for Baltimore, not very good RB options being a running team. I sense E.Rhett will be back in Baltimore very very soon, atleast for depth. Another possibility is the Ravens trading away for someone like M.Green of Tenn. but really I wouldn't expect a trade with Tenn considering they are in the same div. Only thing I can say is, Baltimore thought P.Holmes was expendable, I bet they wish they had him now.

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:21 PM
That's an interesting way of looking at it Tim. I can't say I disagree.

Maybe Arrowhead needs an exorcism!

Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 11:21 PM
I used to be superstitious too, but not anymore. Whatever happens, happens; but for a reason.

I do believe in "what goes around, comes around", which is the same as the 'golden rule', 'what you give, you get back', etc.

Joe Seahawk
08-08-2001, 11:23 PM
Too bad for Jamal..Hopefully he will be able to make a full recovery. That guy was on the verge IMO...

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:24 PM
Baltimore actually realized about a month ago that Priest Holmes wasn't expendable and then started scouring the waiver-wire for veteran backs. Jamal Lewis sucks as a pass-catching back (this goes back to college as well) and in 2000 had an average of 1 touch per game (17 total for the year) on 3rd or 4th down. Priest Holmes was their pass-catching back, and I guess someone looked at the statbooks in June or July and noticed it and then looked at the roster and saw they didn't have anyone to replace him...

08-08-2001, 11:24 PM
No kidding, Kyle. We need a priest, a minister, a rabbi and even a voodoo witch doctor. Perhaps we could find some Indians who aren't all p!ssed off over the team name to do a sun dance or something. Get 'em out at mid-field on opening day right before kickoff.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 11:25 PM
Our destiny will come, frazod.

I want a Super Bowl victory before I die, but I've always been told that "patience is a vurtue." And you gotta...(see sig below).

08-08-2001, 11:29 PM
I don't know, Cody. When it comes to football, I feel like my karma ran over my dogma. :D

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:29 PM
Cody, I believe destiny is complete B.S. Nothing happens for a reason, everything is cause-and-effect, and there's no great universal "plan" that's unfolding. We're not all powerless to control what happens in our own lives. We are what we want ourselves to be and that reflects directly what we're willing to do to become what we want to be.

Strange that you would say you believe in "what goes around comes around" but say I'm wrong when I say don't laugh at Baltimore. Because I'm basically saying "what goes around comes around".

08-08-2001, 11:30 PM
My point was that the so-called best front office in the NFL did not plan very well on something like this happening.

08-08-2001, 11:31 PM
No, I guess they didn't plan very well. I'm all broke up over it, too.


keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:32 PM
That's the truth Cooter. I think Holmes leaving wasn't what Baltimore wanted however - he wanted a chance to be a starter somewhere, which is why he was willing to wait for the Green trade to go through instead of signing with Cleveland (I think it was the Browns).

Still, it's hard to believe that Baltimore wouldn't have had more than rookies on the roster to back up Lewis, a guy with a well-known injury history...

08-08-2001, 11:35 PM
I just realized something.

Isn't this the 2nd torn ACL for Lewis?

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:37 PM
I believe so. I'm not sure whether it's the same knee or not though. Might look that up just out of curiousity.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 11:38 PM

In regards to your post.

You just gotta believe.

Thats all I really can say. You just gotta believe. I didn't believe either, until I went through some negative stuff, but boy oh boy. I do now.

You gotta experience it yourself. I really can't explain it.


asked the big man for guidance, and he gave it to me

Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 11:41 PM
Plus, I try not to get to religious on the BB, because people don't really wanna talk that on a football BB.


You know what I mean.

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:43 PM
I've seen a report that it was his ACL, but I've also seen one that says he tore the lateral collateral ligament (LCL) in his right knee.

It was in '98.

Either way, this was the big risk the Ravens took in drafting him last season, but it did payoff at least in the interim, since they won the Superbowl...

08-08-2001, 11:43 PM
I believe he had right knee problems in college, and this one was his left knee...

keg in kc
08-08-2001, 11:44 PM
I didn't say I don't believe in God, Cooter, I said I don't believe in destiny.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-08-2001, 11:46 PM
FWIW, I believe in both.

But thats me.;) :D

08-09-2001, 01:24 AM
I also don't believe in destiny.

But Elvis should be fine. After all, he's a seasoned defending Super Bowl veteran...

08-09-2001, 01:45 AM
I just found out that J.Lewis did blow out his good knee...I wonder how much this will shorten his career, if any? This has really got to concern the Ravens about the future of J.Lewis with 2 bad knees.

keg in kc
08-09-2001, 01:49 AM
I'd say they're probably worried enough about it to draft someone else next season. I can only think of one back who's handled injuries to both knees and been at least mildly successful, and that's Terry Allen.

But that doesn't mean Lewis can't do it...

Still, though, they knew the (injury) risk when they drafted him, but they did get their Superbowl, so it's not all a loss. Too bad for him though.

Although, at the risk of sounding insensitive, I can't feel too sorry for him, with all the guaranteed money he probably has banked...

08-09-2001, 01:49 AM
Cody is just all optimistic because he is coming off of that big season with the Lakers. HE BELIEVES NOW :D


BELIEVES them Lakers are going to be putting an even better team on the court this next year too. Can you say threeeepeat? I knew ya could.

08-09-2001, 01:51 AM

Nice picture!!!!

08-09-2001, 07:47 AM
Kyle, what was the points against stat?

That fact is that the Raven D propelled that team to a Superbowl victory all by itself basically. They gave up the fewest points allowed in the history of the league and beat the great Titans at Tennessee in the playoffs despite having one of the worst offenses in the league.

That Raven D is one of the best in history.

08-09-2001, 07:55 AM
Well, at least Elvis has experience in leading a team with no running game.

08-09-2001, 08:18 AM
That Raven D is one of the best in history.

If they can do it again, I would agree with you. But I do not put "best in history" placards on one-shot wonders.

I do think they have the potential to be the best in history, but I am not ready to anoint them yet.

Reserving "the best" for a team that shows some stamina.

Bob Dole
08-09-2001, 08:24 AM
Interesting <a href="http://www.ravensnest2.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=009067">post on the Raven's BB</a>.

F** the self pity (apologies for the 4 letter word, but needed)! Just get ready to get loud and win with the pass instead of the run.

Bob Dole had to chuckle.

keg in kc
08-09-2001, 08:56 AM
The points against stat was included, Cannibal - you know, the part where I listed TDs against and FGs against...

And I don't get exactly what your beef is, I'm essentially listing Tennessee as 1a and Baltimore as 1b. That's not taking anything away from Baltimore, that's just saying I think the Titan D was on the same level, and maybe a hair better, but nobody noticed.

Like Gaz said, there's no "best ever" moniker yet. They have more to prove.

Beyond that, you need to take a look at last season again if you think their defense "carried" them to a Super Bowl. During the regular season they scored 24+ points in half their games, and won all those games. The games where the offense couldn't put points on the board, they were only 4-4 (and 2-4 when they scored less than 14 points).

Defense doesn't carry you anywhere if your offense can't score.

Chiefs fans should know that as well as anyone...

Fat Elvis
08-09-2001, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Robert_Dole
Interesting <a href="http://www.ravensnest2.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=009067">post on the Raven's BB</a>.

Bob Dole had to chuckle.

Bob, that's not nearly as funny as the thread entitled:

WE WILL SURVIVE because we still have Grbac (knock on wood!!!)

Now that was a gut buster....

I was going to post something on htat thread, but why kick somebody when they are down?

Oh, and BTW, some of the members over there think that you are me....

they find it impossible that more than 1 person dislikes Grbackup:D

08-09-2001, 10:36 AM
If I was given a choice of the Raven or Titan D, I take the Raven D everytime.

I am absolutely sure that most people would agree with me.

keg in kc
08-09-2001, 10:49 AM
I'd be happy with the Buffalo defense at this point. That'd be a big improvement over the sh!t we've seen on the field lately...

As for Tenny/Ravens debate, my opinion's pretty clear, and if it doesn't agree with the popular opinion broadcast nightly on SportCenter and Fox Sports Net, well, I couldn't give a rats @ss. Baltimore had a better team, but I believe Tennessee had (and still has) a better defense. Lose Steve McNair and the Titans might be 2-time defending champs right now.

And if we're talking now, I'd sure as hell take the 2001 Titans defense, with Kearse and Carter on the ends, Rolle at CB, Rodney, Godfrey and Favors at LB and Bishop at safety.

Either way, though, I'm gonna have to be happy with Hicks and Clemons on the ends, Crockett (ugh) at CB, Bush, Patton and Edwards at LB and Woods/Wesley at S.

Actually, that doesn't sound so bad.

Except for Crockett.


08-09-2001, 11:34 AM
Crockett won't be the starter for too long. Our young guys are coming along. We'll be set for a long time once they do...

As far as the Tenn/Balt debate, I'd take Baltimore's defense last year, but I'd take Tennessee's this year because of the addition of Carter up front...

08-09-2001, 11:38 AM
I absolutely agree that the Titans with another QB would be Super Bowl bound. McNair is holding them back. Teams have figured him out, just like everyone except the Spineless Jellyfish Stooge figured out Gannon last season.

I would be hard-pressed to choose an absolute winner between the Ravens and Titans Defenses. I would not quibble with anyone who picked one or the other, but I do not agree that the choice is as obvious as some want to make it.

True, the Ravens' D got more media exposure, which might make Cannibal's statement about "most people" true.

Marching to a different drummer.