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CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 03:02 PM
The quotes below are from Obama's book, "Dreams of My Father";

Although Obama spent various portions of his youth living with his white maternal grandfather and Indonesian stepfather, he vowed that he would ...

"never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."

“Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”

"I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

" I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".


"The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"


"Never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."


"The emotion between the races could never be pure,” “Even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

"There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. "A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white"


This is from "Audacity of Hope";

"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."









Not a bit racist, eh? :shake:

StcChief
03-18-2008, 03:04 PM
Uniter ? Who?

Bootlegged
03-18-2008, 03:09 PM
What a POS. No surprise the Dem's want to nominate him.

Donger
03-18-2008, 03:09 PM
Source?

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 03:13 PM
Source?

His books.

Jilly
03-18-2008, 03:14 PM
This is like taking Bible verses out of the context of the Bible.

Jilly
03-18-2008, 03:14 PM
His books.

minus all the other sentences that made these make sense. :rolleyes:

Donger
03-18-2008, 03:14 PM
His books.

I would be stunned any of those are in his books, particularly this one:

"“Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”

HonestChieffan
03-18-2008, 03:16 PM
Well, someone im sure can give page numbers if its all true

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 03:17 PM
minus all the other sentences that made these make sense. :rolleyes:

C'mon Jilly. Put down the Kool-Aid and cogitate. That was a weak rebuttal of the facts. The quotes are easily understood and he wrote them. I am just pointing out the inconsistencies between what he now says and what he wrote for all the sheeple out there. He is just another phony. Did you really think this wasn't going to be discussed at some point?

Donger
03-18-2008, 03:20 PM
C'mon Jilly. Put down the Kool-Aid and cogitate. That was a weak rebuttal of the facts. The quotes are easily understood and he wrote them. I am just pointing out the inconsistencies between what he now says and what he wrote for all the sheeple out there. He is just another phony. Did you really think this wasn't going to be discussed at some point?

Did you create this? In other words, you have the books and can provide page numbers?

If not, where did you get this from?

|Zach|
03-18-2008, 03:20 PM
So we don't have page numbers? Seems that would be a pretty easy way to back all of this up.

Jilly
03-18-2008, 03:23 PM
C'mon Jilly. Put down the Kool-Aid and cogitate. That was a weak rebuttal of the facts. The quotes are easily understood and he wrote them. I am just pointing out the inconsistencies between what he now says and what he wrote for all the sheeple out there. He is just another phony. Did you really think this wasn't going to be discussed at some point?

You're not pointing out anything by copying and pasting sentences out of a book...without context, sentences like these do not make sense.

Say, for instance, I write a paragraph that says:

If politics in America turn ugly and result in a great divide between Muslims who are working for peace and the atheists who are working in violence and hate, then there is no choice to be made. Peace and unity are of most importance. So “Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”

How would that last sentence without the rest of the paragraph make sense?

|Zach|
03-18-2008, 03:32 PM
You're not pointing out anything by copying and pasting sentences out of a book...without context, sentences like these do not make sense.

Say, for instance, I write a paragraph that says:

If politics in America turn ugly and result in a great divide between Muslims who are working for peace and the atheists who are working in violence and hate, then there is no choice to be made. Peace and unity are of most importance. So “Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”

How would that last sentence without the rest of the paragraph make sense?
Kind of reminds me of something FoxNews pulled not long ago. C4E's heros doing what they do...

<p>Here is the quote. (Via <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-04-01-obama_N.htm">USA Today</a>)</p>
<p>“I think that nobody wants to play chicken with our troops on the ground.”
</p>
<p>And here is the coverage by Fox News. Disgusting.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=67978&amp;stc=1"></p>

penguinz
03-18-2008, 03:40 PM
He got his whole post from here (http://conservababes.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2527&pid=21038&st=0&#entry21038).

Sully
03-18-2008, 03:41 PM
I'd like to see the context of these quotes.

I'd be willing to bet that they aren't what they seem...

Carlota69
03-18-2008, 03:43 PM
He got his whole post from here (http://conservababes.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2527&pid=21038&st=0&#entry21038).

Scary.

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 03:44 PM
Kind of reminds me of something FoxNews pulled not long ago. C4E's heros doing what they do...


Here is the quote. (Via USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-04-01-obama_N.htm))


“I think that nobody wants to play chicken with our troops on the ground.”



And here is the coverage by Fox News. Disgusting.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=67978&stc=1


Nice strawman you built there Zach.

BTW, I don't know where you get the idea that FOX are somehow my HEROES. I simply defended them once before against idiots who try to denigrate any media source with a right wing slant while sparing all the other media sources that are decidedly left wing. At least FOX makes the ATTEMPT to tell both sides of a story even if they are to the right.

jAZ
03-18-2008, 03:44 PM
I would be stunned any of those are in his books, particularly this one:

"“Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”

ROFL

Donger
03-18-2008, 03:45 PM
ROFL

What's funny?

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 03:45 PM
He got his whole post from here (http://conservababes.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2527&pid=21038&st=0&#entry21038).

Wrong. Try again.

orange
03-18-2008, 03:46 PM
No, it came from a more legitimate source.

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

I don't know what particular axe www.Examiner.com has to grind, but they give the appearance of trying to be a legitimate news source. I suspect the quotes are actual - the articles give some context.

NewChief
03-18-2008, 03:50 PM
See, this is why the whole pretend ignorance thing worked out so well for Bush. Only bad stuff comes from authoring books.

Donger
03-18-2008, 03:51 PM
No, it came from a more legitimate source.

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

I don't know what particular axe www.Examiner.com has to grind, but they give the appearance of trying to be a legitimate news source. I suspect the quotes are actual - the articles give some context.

I didn't see this one:
“Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”

NewChief
03-18-2008, 03:51 PM
I didn't see this one:
“Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”

Okay... so... that one they made up. The rest are legit, though. PROMISE!

penguinz
03-18-2008, 03:51 PM
Wrong. Try again.It is just a coincidence that it matches what you posted word for word? You are one of the most ignorant people I have never met.

jettio
03-18-2008, 03:52 PM
We'll see how it all shakes out.

If Obama does not make it. The videos of Rev. Wright would be the reason.

I just watched his speech and my opinion is that he chose the right course in speaking genuinely and that there is a better chance that the hyenas and vultures that are hoping to feast on the carcass will end up all by themselves eating their own hearts out.

Donger
03-18-2008, 03:53 PM
Okay... so... that one they made up. The rest are legit, though. PROMISE!

It really shouldn't be hard to verify either way.

jAZ
03-18-2008, 03:54 PM
What's funny?
I was agreeing with you.

When Donger is taking time to call out a conservative for pasting a post like that... you know you've raced past the edge of sanity.

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 03:57 PM
It is just a coincidence that it matches what you posted word for word? You are one of the most ignorant people I have never met.

Think what you like. See the post by orange for enlightenment.

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 04:00 PM
It really shouldn't be hard to verify either way.

That particular quote was truncated. He was referring to the detentions of Muslim Americans by the FBI post 9/11 (pakistanis and arabs). It probably could have been done better. The sentiment is pretty clear.

Donger
03-18-2008, 04:01 PM
That particular quote was truncated. He was referring to the detentions of Muslim Americans by the FBI post 9/11 (pakistanis and arabs). It probably could have been done better. The sentiment is pretty clear.

Your post states that quote is from his book, "Dreams of My Father." You are now saying that it is not?

|Zach|
03-18-2008, 04:03 PM
Nice strawman you built there Zach.

BTW, I don't know where you get the idea that FOX are somehow my HEROES. I simply defended them once before against idiots who try to denigrate any media source with a right wing slant while sparing all the other media sources that are decidedly left wing. At least FOX makes the ATTEMPT to tell both sides of a story even if they are to the right.

C4E preforms oral sex on a young male.

It is in the book, Dreams of a "gotcha" political thread by C4E

Serious.

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 04:07 PM
C4E preforms oral sex on a young male.

It is in the book, Dreams of a "gotcha" political thread by C4E

Serious.

:rolleyes:

Grow up sometime, OK?

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

Donger
03-18-2008, 04:07 PM
I was agreeing with you.

When Donger is taking time to call out a conservative for pasting a post like that... you know you've raced past the edge of sanity.

I don't like fabrications regardless of the target. For example, see the Bush AWOL letter deal.

HonestChieffan
03-18-2008, 04:07 PM
http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=373

Nutty site but...more quotes

penguinz
03-18-2008, 04:08 PM
Think what you like. See the post by orange for enlightenment.
I have read those and what you posted does not match word for word with either article like it does the link I posted.

orange
03-18-2008, 04:18 PM
“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

- from Audacity of Hope according to http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama


These quotes have been re-worded (in the most malicious way possible) and posted to thousands of websites and blogs. While they lack context, they are "basically" the words of Sen. Obama.

You don't expect his detractors to supply the context, do you? He will have to do that himself. The fact is, this is material he is going to have to address if he intends to win the presidency.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 04:19 PM
This thread is ****ing hilarious.

Seeing as Dreams of my Father is all about his struggle to find himself when he was younger, I'm not exactly surprised there are things in there that could be cherry picked to show that he was at one time, gasp, a pissed off adolescent who harbored bitterness towards certain groups of people.

And wow, that Audacity of Hope quote is just DAMNING! Some minorities at Harvard seek out their own kind and try to show how much they belong to their particular group? I've never heard of that happening before!

“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

- from Audacity of Hope according to http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obamaThat racist secret Muslim, defending people in the event that they're unfairly persecuted.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 04:26 PM
"[I] spew hate filled rhetoric and vitriol at those of other races." - CHIEF4EVER, March 2008

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 04:36 PM
"[i] spew hate filled rhetoric and vitriol at those of other races." - CHIEF4EVER, March 2008

That's very clever. Wait. Actually, it's not.

You Obama sheep just can't come to grips with the fact that he is every bit as flawed and dishonest as sHrillary. You will make every effort to spin and excuse to defend him no matter what he says or does. He claims his pastor makes 'controversial' statements in his sermons but he personally never heard them. In spite of going to that church for 20 years. He was just conveniently absent (kinda like he often was come voting time) during all the controversial sermons, right? Got it. :rolleyes: Good luck with that whole 'head in the sand' thing. :shake:

FWIW, I think the guy is a helluva public speaker but his ideas are wrong and his dishonesty is a turn off.

Taco John
03-18-2008, 04:37 PM
These are interesting "quotes" alright...

Taco John
03-18-2008, 04:38 PM
You Obama sheep just can't come to grips with the fact that he is every bit as flawed and dishonest as sHrillary.



Dude, how about not coming in here with the most dishonest post of the political season and lecturing anyobody on honesty.

Good criminy... :rolleyes:

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 04:41 PM
Dude, how about not coming in here with the most dishonest post of the political season and lecturing anyobody on honesty.

Good criminy... :rolleyes:

I didn't write the books. Good criminy.

Donger
03-18-2008, 04:44 PM
“In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging,” he laments. “I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

- from Audacity of Hope according to http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama


These quotes have been re-worded (in the most malicious way possible) and posted to thousands of websites and blogs. While they lack context, they are "basically" the words of Sen. Obama.

You don't expect his detractors to supply the context, do you? He will have to do that himself. The fact is, this is material he is going to have to address if he intends to win the presidency.

It's silly. I suppose the same people vilified Reagan when he apologized for the internment of Japanese-Americans?

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 04:44 PM
I'm stunned that you lack any understanding of nuance or context, C4E.

Just stunned.

Taco John
03-18-2008, 05:09 PM
I didn't write the books. Good criminy.


No one said you did. You just gave your best Denise impersonation, without even trying. Why don't you act like a hurt c*nt over it now, and complete the spectacle.

[hurt sobbing]You were just trying to tell the troof![/sobbing]

CHIEF4EVER
03-18-2008, 05:28 PM
No one said you did. You just gave your best Denise impersonation, without even trying. Why don't you act like a hurt c*nt over it now, and complete the spectacle.

[hurt sobbing]You were just trying to tell the troof![/sobbing]

No sobbing here. I accomplished 2 things with this rather over the top thread:

1) Displayed previous quotes made by the good senator in his books which put him in a bad light. You have to ask yourself: If he thought this way before getting into politics and then attended a church for 20 years where this type of hate is routinely spewed, what is to lead one to believe that he doesn't still think this way? Because he SAID SO? At the very least, posting an over the top thread like this makes people at least stop and think rather than blindly accepting the silky smooth rhetoric delivered by an accomplished orator.

2) It highlights the stunning hypocrisy displayed by those of the left on this board. For YEARS now, anything even remotely negative about a right wing politician has often been stretched and embellished to the point of hilarity but when the shoe is on the other foot they close ranks and act like you committed some unspeakable crime and likewise immediately go to the personal attacks.

Other than not wanting a lying commie for president, I don't have anything against Obama. My candidate is the same as yours and he is no longer running.

jettio
03-18-2008, 05:30 PM
I didn't write the books. Good criminy.


You did not f*ckin' read them either.

You posted some crap concocted by some other hyena yelping and hoping for a carcass.

You hyenas and vultures can keep hoping, just realize that you risk making a fool of yourself.

HolmeZz
03-18-2008, 05:45 PM
Holy Mother of God.

All we need is a vailpass post and this thread will be the perfect storm of stupidity.

How big of an r-tard would you have to be to believe he's gotten this far with any weird quotes like that in books he wrote?

Yes, Barack Obama, raised with his Indonesian sister by his white mother and white grandparents, is a racist. A guy with close relatives on 3 different continents and family members who look absolutely nothing like him, doesn't very much care for people who are different than him.

He must hate everyone.

|Zach|
03-18-2008, 07:07 PM
That's very clever. Wait. Actually, it's not.

You Obama sheep just can't come to grips with the fact that he is every bit as flawed and dishonest as sHrillary. You will make every effort to spin and excuse to defend him no matter what he says or does. He claims his pastor makes 'controversial' statements in his sermons but he personally never heard them. In spite of going to that church for 20 years. He was just conveniently absent (kinda like he often was come voting time) during all the controversial sermons, right? Got it. :rolleyes: Good luck with that whole 'head in the sand' thing. :shake:

FWIW, I think the guy is a helluva public speaker but his ideas are wrong and his dishonesty is a turn off.

Now you have the grapes to call others sheep after this thread. Hilarious

Logical
03-18-2008, 07:14 PM
Source?Why of course we don't need a source, we must assume those are real and not taken out of context either.:rolleyes:

Logical
03-18-2008, 07:18 PM
He got his whole post from here (http://conservababes.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2527&pid=21038&st=0&#entry21038).
Come on C4E you are better than this, stealing this tripe from another message board where it is not sourced either.:shake:

Logical
03-18-2008, 07:31 PM
That's very clever. Wait. Actually, it's not.

You Obama sheep just can't come to grips with the fact that he is every bit as flawed and dishonest as sHrillary. You will make every effort to spin and excuse to defend him no matter what he says or does. He claims his pastor makes 'controversial' statements in his sermons but he personally never heard them. In spite of going to that church for 20 years. He was just conveniently absent (kinda like he often was come voting time) during all the controversial sermons, right? Got it. :rolleyes: Good luck with that whole 'head in the sand' thing. :shake:

FWIW, I think the guy is a helluva public speaker but his ideas are wrong and his dishonesty is a turn off.

Wow, you have been made to look bad for grabbing something off another Internet BB then, you tried to turn it to be from a slightly more legit site that orange provided that is clearly not the same as your thread post. Then you have the guts to call his people sheep because they find him honest when you believe him to be dishonest. Look at yourself first for dishonesty C4E I think you can find plenty to admonish.

ClevelandBronco
03-18-2008, 07:34 PM
No, it came from a more legitimate source.

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

I don't know what particular axe www.Examiner.com has to grind, but they give the appearance of trying to be a legitimate news source. I suspect the quotes are actual - the articles give some context.

Examiner.com is owned by The Anschutz Corporation.

From the Wikipedia entry for Phillip Anschutz:

"Political and Christian work

Anschutz, a Republican donor and avid supporter of George W. Bush's administration, has been an active patron of a number of religious and conservative causes:

* Helped fund Amendment 2, a ballot initiative designed to overturn a Colorado state law giving extra rights to homosexuals.[8]
* Helped fund the Discovery Institute, a think tank based in Seattle, Washington that promotes intelligent design and critiques theories of evolution. [8]
* Supported the Parents Television Council, a group responsible for nearly all indecency complaints to the FCC in 2003.[8]
* Financed and distributed Christian-themed films, such as Amazing Grace and The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, for mass audiences through his two film production companies and ownership of much of the Regal, Edwards and United Artists theater chains. In addition, as a producer Anschutz reportedly required the removal of certain material related to drug use and womanizing in the 2004 film Ray because he found it objectionable.[9]
* Anschutz has also funded advertisements for television, billboards, and Regal Cinemas for his Foundation For a Better Life. The ads promotes positive concepts such as "faith" and "integrity", using characters such as Shrek and Kermit the Frog. The ads were produced by Bonneville Communications, a Salt Lake City agency which produces ads for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.[9]"

I'll have to view the story through the lens of this information. Fair is fair.

|Zach|
03-18-2008, 07:42 PM
It keeps getting better.

vailpass
03-18-2008, 07:49 PM
Holy Mother of God.

All we need is a vailpass post and this thread will be the perfect storm of stupidity.

How big of an r-tard would you have to be to believe he's gotten this far with any weird quotes like that in books he wrote?

Yes, Barack Obama, raised with his Indonesian sister by his white mother and white grandparents, is a racist. A guy with close relatives on 3 different continents and family members who look absolutely nothing like him, doesn't very much care for people who are different than him.

He must hate everyone.

Okay Holmey, I'm happy to oblige. Did you expect something like this:

Why does the fact that Bama's mom was a mudshark automatically mean that he can't be a racist?
:evil:

Taco John
03-18-2008, 07:55 PM
No sobbing here. I accomplished 2 things with this rather over the top thread:




You accomplished these two things so far as I can tell:

1) You showed what a dishonest person you are by posting "quotes" that weren't real, weren't quotes, and were actually changed and put in as dishonest a context as possible.

2) You showed that you're not above wallowing in the same slop trough as Dense.

go bowe
03-18-2008, 07:57 PM
[quote=Ill-Logical;4637658]..we must assume those are real ... [quote]breasts?


did somebody say breasts?

SNR
03-18-2008, 07:59 PM
You know, C4E, you can disagree with Obama and even campaign against his views WITHOUT unfairly calling him a racist. It's possible.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 08:08 PM
Anschutz, a Republican donor and avid supporter of George W. Bush's administration, has been an active patron of a number of religious and conservative causes:

* Helped fund Amendment 2, a ballot initiative designed to overturn a Colorado state law giving extra rights to homosexuals.[8]
* Helped fund the Discovery Institute, a think tank based in Seattle, Washington that promotes intelligent design and critiques theories of evolution. [8]I knew Uncle Phil (as he's called in MLS circles) was a Republican, but that's pretty gross.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 08:14 PM
mom was a mudshark

Wow....

HolmeZz
03-18-2008, 08:16 PM
Hamas is quicker with the quote button than vailpass is with the delete button.

vailpass
03-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Hamas is quicker with the quote button than vailpass is with the delete button.

The quote I deleted was a response to UltraPeanut. I had no intention whatsoever of removing the quote I gave you at your request.
Care to respond to it?

vailpass
03-18-2008, 08:22 PM
Wow....

You like? It was custom made at Holmey's request.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 08:29 PM
Hamas is quicker with the quote button than vailpass is with the delete button.

It's funny how easy it is to lure the racists out these days. Marlboro Chief must have set something off inside them.

vailpass
03-18-2008, 08:44 PM
It's funny how easy it is to lure the racists out these days. Marlboro Chief must have set something off inside them.

Shutup wigger.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 08:46 PM
My favorite racial slur is one I learned from Eric Harris of Columbine fame: Moon Cricket

Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?

vailpass
03-18-2008, 08:49 PM
My favorite racial slur is one I learned from Eric Harris of Columbine fame: Moon Cricket

Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?

Moon Cricket?
Who is that one aimed at?

memyselfI
03-18-2008, 09:39 PM
I listened to him 'explain' black anger in his speech today and I realized that not only was he 'educating' us about the history of that anger but that he was also, in his passive/aggressive phony way, issuing a warning and a call to arms. His reminding us about black anger was not only to assuage our fears but to remind us that we should have them. In other words, look out if he's not elected. We will have that kind of rage to deal with. He didn't use the words 'quiet riot' in this speech as he did in the June 07 speech but the sentiment he spoke of was the same. And if he was giving fair warning THEN as one of the pack then you better believe he's giving warning now as the leader...

June 2007 'quiet riot' speech:

"Those 'quiet riots' that take place every day are born from the same place as the fires and the destruction and the police decked out in riot gear and the deaths," Obama said. "They happen when a sense of disconnect settles in and hope dissipates. Despair takes hold and young people all across this country look at the way the world is and believe that things are never going to get any better."

He argued that once a hurricane hits or a jury renders a not guilty verdict, "the frustration is there for all to see."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PIUO380&show_article=1



A RWNJ friend of mine sent me this link and these quotes. I had read something similiar to this over the summer on a LW blog of which I can't find now.

Obama on how to talk to deal with white people:

In the good, old tradition of revolutionaries, Obama hides in plain print. So, before listening to his speech, it’s worth while to note the following passages from his autobiography:

On p. 94-95 he describes an effective tactic to deal with White people:

It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved - such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.

Indeed, when he was a community organizer (age 22 prior to going to law school) he happily cooperated with Rafiq, a former gangster turned Nation of Islam. He even believed that Black Nationalism was a good therapy for Blacks. That was also the reason he supported Wright (pp. 190-200). For he shares Michelle’s sentiments of alienation, came to believe that race should trump everything and it should be anti-white:



. . . :all the black people who, it turned out, shared with me a voice that whispered inside them - “You don’t really belong here.”In a sense, then, Rafiq was right when he insisted that, deep down, all blacks were potential Nationalists. The anger was there, bottled up and often turned inward. And . . . I wondered whether, for now at least, Rafiq wasn’t also right in preferring that that anger be redirected; whether a black politics that suppressed rage towards white generally, or one that failed to elevate race loyally above all else, was a politics inadequate to the task.

It was a painful thought to consider, as painful now as it has been years ago. it contradicted the morality my mother had taught me, a morality of subtle distinctions- between individuals of goodwill and those who wished me ill, between active malice and ignorance of indifference. I has a personal stake in that moral framework; I’d discovered that I couldn’t escape it if I tried. And yet perhaps it was a framework that blacks in this country could no longer afford; perhaps it weakened black resolve, encouraged confusion within the ranks. Desperate times called for desperate measures, and for many blacks, times were chronically desperate. If nationalism could create a strong and effective insularity, deliver on its promise of self respect, then the hurt it might cause well-meaning whites, of the inner turmoil it caused people like me, would be of little consequence.

If nationalism could deliver. As it turned out, questions of effectiveness, and not sentiment, cause most of my quarrels with Rafiq.

In other words, Barack was willing to sacrifice his mother and his grandparents on the alter of black nationalism. His sentiments were in lime with those of Rafiq, the Nation of Islam activist. That is the reason he chose a black nationalist church run by “Reverend Wright” who explained to him (p.284):

“Life’s not safe for a black man in this country, Barack. Never has been. Probably never will be.”

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2008/03/17/obama-on-how-to-talk-to-whites/

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 09:42 PM
My favorite racial slur is one I learned from Eric Harris of Columbine fame: Moon Cricket

Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?

Yeah, I heard that one every now and then growing up.

RedDread
03-18-2008, 09:54 PM
Moon Cricket?
Who is that one aimed at?

I'm gonna have to look that up on Urban Dictionary.

I thought I was pretty up on my racial slurs, but I have to find out what it means so I know when to be offended. :D

Sully
03-18-2008, 09:57 PM
I listened to him 'explain' black anger in his speech today and I realized that not only was he 'educating' us about the history of that anger but that he was also, in his passive/aggressive phony way, issuing a warning and a call to arms. His reminding us about black anger was not only to assuage our fears but to remind us that we should have them. In other words, look out if he's not elected. We will have that kind of rage to deal with. He didn't use the words 'quiet riot' in this speech as he did in the June 07 speech but the sentiment he spoke of was the same. And if he was giving fair warning THEN as one of the pack then you better believe he's giving warning now as the leader...

June 2007 'quiet riot' speech:



A RWNJ friend of mine sent me this link and these quotes. I had read something similiar to this over the summer on a LW blog of which I can't find now.

Obama on how to talk to deal with white people:

ROFLROFLROFL

What a reach.

memyselfI
03-18-2008, 10:05 PM
ROFLROFLROFL

What a reach.

We'll see. If I'm wrong I look like a paranoid fool. If I'm right...

RedDread
03-18-2008, 10:06 PM
If you're wrong you just spread a bunch of BS rumors, per usual.

And you happen to be wrong most of the time.

memyselfI
03-18-2008, 10:10 PM
If you're wrong you just spread a bunch of BS rumors, per usual.

And you happen to be wrong most of the time.

I'm commenting on his speeches. I think he's using double speak. That is my opinion not a rumor.

And, I like my batting average on issues. I happen to be correct a good deal of the time.

HolmeZz
03-18-2008, 11:21 PM
I listened to him 'explain' black anger in his speech today and I realized that not only was he 'educating' us about the history of that anger but that he was also, in his passive/aggressive phony way, issuing a warning and a call to arms.

You are absolutely out of your f*cking mind.

Logical
03-19-2008, 12:28 AM
Moon Cricket?
Who is that one aimed at?It's a term some moron came up with to describe the "malnourished" starving people of Ethiopia! You know, skinny to where the tummy gets bloated.

patteeu
03-19-2008, 08:47 AM
If you're wrong you just spread a bunch of BS rumors, per usual.

And you happen to be wrong most of the time.

That's the truth. Most of the time she's on your side.

patteeu
03-19-2008, 08:47 AM
I'm commenting on his speeches. I think he's using double speak. That is my opinion not a rumor.

I'm with you on that.

vailpass
03-19-2008, 08:54 AM
It's a term some moron came up with to describe the "malnourished" starving people of Ethiopia! You know, skinny to where the tummy gets bloated.

Oh, thanks.
Damn that's cold.

jAZ
05-17-2008, 04:04 PM
Source?

His books.

minus all the other sentences that made these make sense. :rolleyes:


http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/thormadsen/gGBfQV/commentary#comment-gyrT7

There have been a series of misquotes going around again recently from Obama's "Dreams of My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope" that I think warrant a quality response. I had been wanting to directly fact-check these for some time but it's been tough since none are cited by page number (surprise!) so I finally decided to just download an unabridged copy from ebooks.com to assist in the search and went through each one below. [...]

Following are the six (mis)quotes that you've probably seen lined up in a row in emails and postings - each in bold followed by the actual quote and context with paginated citations so that anyone can check for themselves and/or build on this:

..."never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela."
"Never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

Fake quote: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.' - claimed to be from "Dreams of My Father"

Actual quote: (in context, he is specifically addressing his earlier attitude towards his stepfather and grandfather): "...men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela." (Page 220).

In the very next paragraph Obama writes, "Now...that image had suddenly vanished." " To think all my life I had been wrestling with nothing more than a ghost!" as Obama comes to terms with the image versus the reality of his father.

Anyone out there not go through a similar process with their father?

“Should the political tides in this country turn ugly, I WILL SIDE WITH THE MUSLIMS.”
Fake quote: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.' - claimed to be from "The Audacity of Hope"

Actual quote: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." (page 261).



"I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER'S RACE AT THE AGE OF12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

Misleading quote: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites' - claimed to be from "Dreams of My Father"

In the paragraph prior to this quote (Introduction: pp. xiv-xv), Obama talks of his mother's 6 year old cousin who had "already lost" his innocence after reporting to his parents that some of his first grade "classmates had refused to play with him because of his dark skin". As you read further you can see the implications of this on Obama's life growing up and why he felt compelled to bring up his mother's race until "the age of 12 or 13":

Actual quote: "When people who don't know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites) I see the the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign." (Introduction: Page xv)




" I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".

Fake quote: 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.' - claimed to be from "Dreams of My Father"

I cannot locate this anywhere in "Dreams of My Father" after searching on each key word through an unabridged copy downloaded from ebooks.com. We can simply shoot this one quote down and rightfully attack the credibility of the entire post.


"There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. "A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white"
Fake quote: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.' - claimed to be from "Dreams of My Father"

When Obama was still in New York (after graduating Columbia) and at the point of almost giving up on organizing, he gets a call from Marty Kaufman who had "started an organizing drive in Chicago and was looking to hire a trainee." (Story begin on page 140). After talking about Chicago, the Cubs, his organizing efforts, Harold Washington, the South Side community, etc... he offers Obama the job with a small salary and travel expense. When Marty leaves, Obama walks home and thinks about this man and the offer (starting his community organizing days in Chicago):

Actual quote: "He was smart, I decided. He seemed committed to his work. Still, there was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white - he'd said himself that was a problem." (Page 142).

Later, Obama sits down on a bench to consider his options. A "black woman and her young son approach" and the boy asks him why the East River goes one way and the other. Obama explains the tides. "The answer seemed to satisfy the boy..." "As I watched the two of them disappear into dusk, I realized I had never noticed which way the river ran. A week later, I loaded up my car and drove to Chicago." (Page 143). Obama quickly recognizes that his back and forth on Marty, the situation, etc... is like the East River - it's going to go back and forth no matter what - it's time to act and he does.


"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

Misleading quote: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names' - from "Dreams of My Father" (Page 101)

Obama is IN COLLEGE not running through the riot-strewn city streets. He is posing, finding his identity.

How do we know? Prior to this quote he explains the early pressure of fitting in with the so-called campus "radicals" to "avoid being mistaken for a sellout." (page 100). Starting on page 101 right after the quote, he goes through an incident where he is "called out" on this attitude. Thinking back, he realizes that "the whole year seemed like one big lie..." as he then matures beyond this perspective (Page 102).

I am sure none of us copped similar attitudes while in college or in our late teens/early twenties.

chiefforlife
05-17-2008, 06:37 PM
Thanks Jaz, that was great.

Chief4ever, you should be ashamed of yourself.

mikey23545
05-17-2008, 06:47 PM
This is like taking Bible verses out of the context of the Bible.

OMG, he <i>is</i> the Messiah!

HolmeZz
05-17-2008, 07:42 PM
This thread ruled.

go bowe
05-17-2008, 07:42 PM
No sobbing here. I accomplished 2 things with this rather over the top thread:

1) Displayed previous quotes made by the good senator in his books which put him in a bad light. You have to ask yourself: If he thought this way before getting into politics and then attended a church for 20 years where this type of hate is routinely spewed, what is to lead one to believe that he doesn't still think this way? Because he SAID SO? At the very least, posting an over the top thread like this makes people at least stop and think rather than blindly accepting the silky smooth rhetoric delivered by an accomplished orator.

2) It highlights the stunning hypocrisy displayed by those of the left on this board. For YEARS now, anything even remotely negative about a right wing politician has often been stretched and embellished to the point of hilarity but when the shoe is on the other foot they close ranks and act like you committed some unspeakable crime and likewise immediately go to the personal attacks.

Other than not wanting a lying commie for president, I don't have anything against Obama. My candidate is the same as yours and he is no longer running.commie?

mccain spent a lot of time with communists...

is he a lying commie too?

btw, is there any political candidate that doesn't lie?

or is it only hussein who moves you to speak out?

btw2, clinton is closer to being a commie than hussein, but then most all democrats are commies anyway...

plus i don't care for clinton, and mccain is older than me, for chrisesakes...

that leaves my favorite muslim sleeper cell terrorist as the only candidate that i can support...

and you were right about ron paul, he was my guy but he just couldn't get any traction...

again, that leaves obama as my only acceptable choice...

and it doesn't hurt that i like what he's saying in general...

even if it's all lies, at least he is saying the right things...

neither father time nor the she-devil are saying much of anything that i like, let alone the hopeful and positive outlook that hussein expresses when he speaks...

if i was a betting man, i would bet it all on hussein winning the presidency...

seriously...

bet it all, i say... :D :D :D

Ultra Peanut
05-17-2008, 10:58 PM
This thread ruled.You can cherry pick controversial statements from a book about growing up and finding your place in the world as the son of a black man and a white woman? Who knew?!

WilliamTheIrish
05-18-2008, 08:19 AM
Why no posting of the link in the OP? I think penguinz busted your dumb ass and then orange happened by and gave you another link.

WilliamTheIrish
05-18-2008, 10:57 AM
jAZ with a brutal beat down.

IN message board terms, jAZ just took CFE's ass to the street, laid his teeth agianst the curb stomped on the back of his head.

Bowser
05-18-2008, 11:08 AM
That'll leave a mark.

HonestChieffan
05-18-2008, 01:45 PM
You can spin the guys words any way you like...if, and thats a stretch on here, you read the book, the constant overriding message you get is that Obama does hold white people in a rather twisted view, He never ever in these books goes so far as to hold black america responsible for the state of the black culture, nor does he make any effort to put the responsibility for fixing said cultures problems within the black community.

Excuses and explainations and his own theory of this and that but no where will he asign any responsibility. If you can read it all and not have thet niggling feeling that Rev Wright is in the background throughout, you are not paying attention.

|Zach|
05-18-2008, 01:49 PM
You can spin the guys words any way you like...if, and thats a stretch on here, you read the book, the constant overriding message you get is that Obama does hold white people in a rather twisted view, He never ever in these books goes so far as to hold black america responsible for the state of the black culture, nor does he make any effort to put the responsibility for fixing said cultures problems within the black community.

Excuses and explainations and his own theory of this and that but no where will he asign any responsibility. If you can read it all and not have thet niggling feeling that Rev Wright is in the background throughout, you are not paying attention.
You are so scared.

ROFLROFL

HolmeZz
05-18-2008, 01:52 PM
niggling

LMAO

Bowser
05-18-2008, 01:55 PM
You can spin the guys words any way you like...if, and thats a stretch on here, you read the book, the constant overriding message you get is that Obama does hold white people in a rather twisted view, He never ever in these books goes so far as to hold black america responsible for the state of the black culture, nor does he make any effort to put the responsibility for fixing said cultures problems within the black community.

Excuses and explainations and his own theory of this and that but no where will he asign any responsibility. If you can read it all and not have thet niggling feeling that Rev Wright is in the background throughout, you are not paying attention.

Do you live in West Virginia?

|Zach|
05-18-2008, 02:00 PM
You have to love it when someone is at a place where giving more context and more factual text is twisting the words.

clemensol
05-18-2008, 04:56 PM
Wow, that must be humiliating, chiefs4ever

banyon
05-18-2008, 07:42 PM
i thought Bush was the Uniter?

NewChief
05-18-2008, 09:05 PM
You can spin the guys words any way you like...if, and thats a stretch on here, you read the book, the constant overriding message you get is that Obama does hold white people in a rather twisted view, He never ever in these books goes so far as to hold black america responsible for the state of the black culture, nor does he make any effort to put the responsibility for fixing said cultures problems within the black community.


So we're supposed to believe that you read the book?

Logical
05-18-2008, 10:02 PM
I just want to take a moment to say what a fine job of thoroughly debunking all the myths that were in that thread header.

:thumb::thumb::thumb:

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2008, 01:02 PM
I just want to take a moment to say what a fine job of thoroughly debunking all the myths that were in that thread header.

:thumb::thumb::thumb:

C4E sprinted out of the blocks of this thread like a roided Ben Johnson 100 meter dash.

patteeu
05-19-2008, 02:06 PM
I'm not going to put all the blame on C4E for this, but I have to wonder why the person who generated this list did it? Goodness knows there are enough legitimate reasons to be concerned about Obama's attitude towards traditional American individualism, capitalism, and race relations without distorting his statements.

|Zach|
05-19-2008, 02:09 PM
Goodness knows there are enough legitimate reasons to be concerned about Obama's attitude towards traditional American individualism, capitalism, and race relations without distorting his statements.

Obviously not.

Rain Man
05-19-2008, 02:09 PM
i thought Bush was the Uniter?

He is, but he pronounces it with a short U instead of a long U.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm not going to put all the blame on C4E for this, but I have to wonder why the person who generated this list did it? Goodness knows there are enough legitimate reasons to be concerned about Obama's attitude towards traditional American individualism, capitalism, and race relations without distorting his statements.

Disagree. You should always lay the blame at the feet of a person who is afraid to source ridiculous bullshit. It's bad form. It's worse when you get busted and then slink away.

patteeu
05-19-2008, 09:28 PM
Disagree. You should always lay the blame at the feet of a person who is afraid to source ridiculous bullshit. It's bad form. It's worse when you get busted and then slink away.

Don't take my previous post to mean that I don't put any blame on C4E. That just wasn't the point I was trying to make.

irishjayhawk
05-19-2008, 11:37 PM
Disagree. You should always lay the blame at the feet of a person who is afraid to source ridiculous bullshit. It's bad form. It's worse when you get busted and then slink away.

:eek:

We agree on something.

WilliamTheIrish
05-19-2008, 11:39 PM
:eek:

We agree on something.

Besides Ed Hightower, we've never disagreed on anything of real substance.

irishjayhawk
05-19-2008, 11:41 PM
Besides Ed Hightower, we've never disagreed on anything of real substance.

Fair point. :p