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DaneMcCloud
03-18-2008, 10:17 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/03/18/ryan.proday.ap/index.html

BOSTON (AP) -- The NFL got its chance to see Matt Ryan throw on Tuesday, and the Boston College quarterback didn't do anything that would keep him from being picked early in the draft.

Perhaps even first overall.

Ryan worked out at BC's biggest Pro Day ever, throwing to former teammates for a mini-combine of 42 scouts and other personnel evaluators from 22 NFL teams. He completed 48 of 52 passes -- three drops, one overthrown -- from three-, five- and seven step drops, from the pocket and on the run, throwing to both sides of the field.

"I made every throw you need to make in the NFL," said Ryan, who skipped the Senior Bowl and ran but didn't throw at last month's NFL combine in Indianapolis. "I thought it went well. It was the first opportunity I've had to throw in front of the scouts live."

Pro Day is a traditional part of the calendar at football factories like Michigan and Southern California, but BC's had never attracted much media coverage before it joined the Atlantic Coast Conference in 2005. After welcoming the press for the first time last year -- about 20 reporters showed up in all -- the school issued 72 credentials for Tuesday's workout, along with an unprecedented number of NFL scouts.

Kansas City coach Herm Edwards and general manager Carl Peterson were among those who watched more than three dozen players work out, including another potential first-rounder, Eagles offensive lineman Gosder Cherilus.

"They've got a few here, obviously, that are good football players," Edwards told reporters. "They're more comfortable in this environment than they are in the combine. You're gathering information, and this is another check of the information. But, at the end, you've got to go to the tape."

Former BC running back William Green, a former first-round pick who played four years with the Cleveland Browns but was out of the league last year, hoped the tryout would jumpstart his comeback. BC linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar and safety Jamie Silva also joined players from area schools including UMass, Harvard, Bentley, Northeastern, Holy Cross and St. Francis.

But the primary attraction was Ryan.

The BC quarterback was the ACC player of the year and the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award winner in 2007, finishing seventh in the Heisman Trophy voting after throwing for 4,507 yards and 56 touchdowns. He also led the Eagles to comeback victories against Clemson and Virginia Tech -- 11 victories in all, including the school's eighth consecutive bowl win.

"He's going to play in our league, there's no doubt about that. He has all the traits you need to play in our league," Edwards said. "The thing this guy has is his ability to win. And that's what you like in quarterback. Some guys can do a lot of things. But, in the end, can he win?

"He's very levelheaded. The players believe that if he has the ball in his hands at the end of the game, that you have a chance to win the game. He has that demeanor about himself. He's fiery, but he keeps himself under control."

Ryan did not do any running, opting instead to let his times stand from last month's NFL combine in Indianapolis. Edwards, who chatted with Ryan on the field before the workout, said part of the advantage of such tryouts is to see how the players react to the microscope.

"That's the beauty contest," Edwards said. "In the end, this is a physical game."

Edwards said it looked like Ryan was trying too hard early on, knowing that most of the scouts and reporters were there to see him.

"That's what generally happens," Edwards said. "It puts a lot of pressure on the kids, and that's good, because the game they're going to play has pressure."

Ryan said he was just rusty, having been off the field since BC's Dec. 28 victory in the Champs Sports Bowl. He's been working out in Arizona with, among others, Brady Quinn, the Notre Dame quarterback who dropped from a projected high first-rounder to the 22nd pick overall by Cleveland.

Ryan said he hadn't made any plans for draft day, though he expects to spend it with his family. He said he hadn't bothered to handicap his chances of going to a specific team because it can only lead to disappointment.

"At this point, I don't want to get my hopes up. I don't want to fall in love with one place and then go to another and say, 'This stinks,"' he said. "I'm just doing everything I can to get drafted as high as I can ... and to have a chance to be a starting quarterback in the NFL next year."

Short Leash Hootie
03-18-2008, 10:32 PM
I wouldn't mind KC taking Ryan, but I'd prefer to take Dorsey or Ellis or Jake Long...

Ari Chi3fs
03-18-2008, 10:54 PM
If Herm really wants Ryan, I don't think he is playing the poker hand very effectively... being the only NFL coach to be interviewed for this article... if you REALLY wanted someone at 5, this is a dumb ploy.

My guess is he is trying to get Atlanta to take him, so they get the player they really want.

thurman merman
03-18-2008, 11:57 PM
My guess is he is trying to get Atlanta to take him, so they get the player they really want.

are you implying that herm is capable of thinking, and planning ahead?

Mecca
03-19-2008, 12:13 AM
When you pick 5th, there really isn't any smoke screening needed. Most everyone understands who the top 5 players are unless you are going to be stupid and reach for a guy who isn't one..

CHIEF4EVER
03-19-2008, 12:30 AM
When you pick 5th, there really isn't any smoke screening needed. Most everyone understands who the top 5 players are unless you are going to be stupid and reach for a guy who isn't one..

2 words......Carl Peterson.

Micjones
03-19-2008, 12:56 AM
A part of me wouldn't mind seeing us take Ryan.

PhillyChiefFan
03-19-2008, 06:00 AM
A part of me wouldn't mind seeing us take Ryan.

But then Herm and Carl would have to admit that our QBOTF may not be Brodie Croyle. It is weird to me that Edwards was the ONLY head coach interviewed though.

DenverDanChiefsFan
03-19-2008, 06:08 AM
It's not that he was just the only head coach to be interviewed, he was the only head coach there. King Carl was 1 of 2 GMs and Chan Gailey was 1 of 3 OCs there.

Among those checking Ryan out Tuesday were one NFL head coach (Kansas City's Herman Edwards), two general mangers (Carolina's Marty Hurney and K.C.'s Carl Peterson), and three offensive coordinators (K.C.'s Chan Gailey, Minnesota's Darrell Bevell, and Carolina's Jeff Davidson). In addition, two teams sent their top personnel official: Minnesota's vice president of player personnel Rick Speilman and Atlanta's director of player personnel Les Snead.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/03/18/ryan.proday/index.html?eref=si_nfl

Hog Farmer
03-19-2008, 06:38 AM
If Herm really wants Ryan, I don't think he is playing the poker hand very effectively... being the only NFL coach to be interviewed for this article... if you REALLY wanted someone at 5, this is a dumb ploy.

My guess is he is trying to get Atlanta to take him, so they get the player they really want.


You could be right..... for once!:D

King_Chief_Fan
03-19-2008, 06:40 AM
are you implying that herm is capable of thinking, and planning ahead?

ROFL exactly. We shouldn't give this tard (Herm) too much credit

King_Chief_Fan
03-19-2008, 06:45 AM
Has Herm ever said these words about Croyle?:
He's going to play in our league, there's no doubt about that. He has all the traits you need to play in our league," Edwards said. "The thing this guy has is his ability to win. And that's what you like in quarterback. Some guys can do a lot of things. But, in the end, can he win?

"He's very levelheaded. The players believe that if he has the ball in his hands at the end of the game, that you have a chance to win the game. He has that demeanor about himself. He's fiery, but he keeps himself under control."

I like the part where he says "this guy has the ability to win. Some guys can do a lot of things. But, in the end, can he win?"

We know the answer to that question regarding Croyle. Can he win? He hasn't yet. I am o.k. if we draft Ryan. Let the two fight for the job.

Hoover
03-19-2008, 07:05 AM
I don't know what you guys are worried about, we were there to see William Green.

milkman
03-19-2008, 07:06 AM
I don't know what you guys are worried about, we were there to see William Green.

Has he bulked up?

Can he play LT now?

Cause with his 40 time, he sure as hell ain't a RB.

Chiefnj2
03-19-2008, 07:14 AM
If Herm really wants Ryan, I don't think he is playing the poker hand very effectively... being the only NFL coach to be interviewed for this article... if you REALLY wanted someone at 5, this is a dumb ploy.

My guess is he is trying to get Atlanta to take him, so they get the player they really want.

It doesn't matter what Herm says. If Atlanta wants him, they will take him.

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 07:35 AM
Has Herm ever said these words about Croyle?:
He's going to play in our league, there's no doubt about that. He has all the traits you need to play in our league," Edwards said. "The thing this guy has is his ability to win. And that's what you like in quarterback. Some guys can do a lot of things. But, in the end, can he win?

"He's very levelheaded. The players believe that if he has the ball in his hands at the end of the game, that you have a chance to win the game. He has that demeanor about himself. He's fiery, but he keeps himself under control."

I like the part where he says "this guy has the ability to win. Some guys can do a lot of things. But, in the end, can he win?"

We know the answer to that question regarding Croyle. Can he win? He hasn't yet. I am o.k. if we draft Ryan. Let the two fight for the job.

I think cheerios just came out my nose...

Over all, does Herm have the ability to win? From the looks of it.. Not really...

BigChiefFan
03-19-2008, 07:42 AM
Has he bulked up?

Can he play LT now?

Cause with his 40 time, he sure as hell ain't a RB.He'd probably make a Hell of a FB.

milkman
03-19-2008, 08:15 AM
I think cheerios just came out my nose...

I'm betting that was loose brain matter.


;)

StcChief
03-19-2008, 08:15 AM
Ryan won't fall to Chiefs get over that.

TEX
03-19-2008, 08:35 AM
If Jake Lomg is gone - I'd take Ryan in a second. No way I bet on Croyle.

Brock
03-19-2008, 08:42 AM
Ryan won't fall to Chiefs get over that.

Somebody is going to.

BigChiefFan
03-19-2008, 08:45 AM
I'd take Ellis, Dorsey, Gholston or the Longs over Ryan. That's FIVE players right there.

keg in kc
03-19-2008, 08:55 AM
If Jake Lomg is gone I think you've coined a new name!

Jake L-OMG!

milkman
03-19-2008, 08:57 AM
I think you've coined a new name!

Jake L-OMG!

I like "The Highlander".

keg in kc
03-19-2008, 09:02 AM
I like "The Highlander".Yes, but as names go, there's nothing that says there can be only one.

Hell, this is LONG we're talking about. A whole page of names wouldn't do him justice.

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 09:21 AM
If Jake Lomg is gone - I'd take Ryan in a second. No way I bet on Croyle.
No way I would bet on Ryan either...

what has he proved at the NFL level? he could be the next Ryan Leaf for all we know...

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 09:21 AM
I'm betting that was loose brain matter.


;)

Possible, I am over the hill now....

dj56dt58
03-19-2008, 09:22 AM
Ryan:Herm Edwards might be my head coach?





(gunshot)

dj56dt58
03-19-2008, 09:22 AM
I wouldnt mind us taking Ryan..better than reaching for an OT

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 09:23 AM
ROFLRyan:Herm Edwards might be my head coach?





(gunshot)

:clap:
Poor kid, I will actually feel sorry for the kid if the chiefs draft him...

nychief
03-19-2008, 10:07 AM
No way I would bet on Ryan either...

what has he proved at the NFL level? he could be the next Ryan Leaf for all we know...

nice logic moron. He could also be the next Marino...or perhaps a future president of the united states.... Oscar winner? Gee, who knows?

One thing I do know is that Ryan is not...and that is 0-6 as an NFL starter.

Brock
03-19-2008, 10:09 AM
nice logic moron. He could also be the next Marino...or perhaps a future president of the united states.... Oscar winner? Gee, who knows?

One thing I do know is that Ryan is not...and that is 0-6 as an NFL starter.

I thought you hated Ryan.

beach tribe
03-19-2008, 10:10 AM
nice logic moron. He could also be the next Marino...or perhaps a future president of the united states.... Oscar winner? Gee, who knows?

One thing I do know is that Ryan is not...and that is 0-6 as an NFL starter.

If he started for us last year he would be.

DenverChief
03-19-2008, 10:19 AM
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f246/masayok/bingo_bitch.jpgIf he started for us last year he would be.

Brock
03-19-2008, 10:21 AM
I would guess that if Ryan had six shots at the end zone from the 5 yard line, he'd probably complete a pass.

Mr. Laz
03-19-2008, 10:26 AM
they are being too obvious .... they just want to make sure that the teams behind them know that they "could" take Ryan.

it's to open up "trade down" opportunities

beach tribe
03-19-2008, 10:28 AM
I would guess that if Ryan had six shots at the end zone from the 5 yard line, he'd probably complete a pass.

That's all we're doing is guessing, I........guess.

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 10:44 AM
nice logic moron. He could also be the next Marino...or perhaps a future president of the united states.... Oscar winner? Gee, who knows?

One thing I do know is that Ryan is not...and that is 0-6 as an NFL starter.
So your saying that Ryan will win games while lying on his back and running for his life 90% of the time?

I guess I am a moron, I thought you needed a quality OL to win in the NFL??? Do you realize we have one of the top 2 or 3 worst OL in the current NFL...

Ryan wont win shit in KC with this mess of a OL... neither will Croyle, Manning, Montana, Elway, Farve, Brady, Crap the list goes on...

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 10:45 AM
I would guess that if Ryan had six shots at the end zone from the 5 yard line, he'd probably complete a pass.
And your saying Herm wouldnt run 4 or those 5 times?

No way we put the ball in the air 5 times inside or at the 5 yard line..

So not Herm....

nychief
03-19-2008, 10:51 AM
So your saying that Ryan will win games while lying on his back and running for his life 90% of the time?

I guess I am a moron, I thought you needed a quality OL to win in the NFL??? Do you realize we have one of the top 2 or 3 worst OL in the current NFL...

Ryan wont win shit in KC with this mess of a OL... neither will Croyle, Manning, Montana, Elway, Farve, Brady, Crap the list goes on...




I agree about the OL... but lets not reach for a player. Best Player Avail... if that happens to be Ryan, then take him. But, lets not pretend to have any idea what sort of NFL player Ryan will be, please.

Brock
03-19-2008, 10:52 AM
And your saying Herm wouldnt run 4 or those 5 times?

No way we put the ball in the air 5 times inside or at the 5 yard line..

So not Herm....

Go watch the Denver @ KC game again.

Mr. Laz
03-19-2008, 10:53 AM
i still believe that the teaching/coaching AFTER being drafted has alot more to do with the success of a player than people give credit to.

imo that is why some teams continue to draft high and still stink.


there are exception ... but many players can be great or suck depending on how they are developed. Especially when it comes to quarterback.

imo i'm not sure i want Carl and Herm developing a quarterback for us at all.

Maybe Chan Gailey can make a difference ... maybe not.

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 11:10 AM
Go watch the Denver @ KC game again.
Do I have to? The last 2 years are some of the most painful in recent history... I would like to continue to pretend that they didnt exist...

Reerun_KC
03-19-2008, 11:13 AM
I agree about the OL... but lets not reach for a player. Best Player Avail... if that happens to be Ryan, then take him. But, lets not pretend to have any idea what sort of NFL player Ryan will be, please.


Dont beg!

I do agree you take the BPA at the time, if it is Ryan so be it...

Ryan would be 0-6, last year as the starter for the Chiefs, You have to have a coaching staff to put you in position to succeed during games, We dont have that, see the indy game at indy. We had a chance, but we punted that chance away because our coaches are scared...

Ryan might be the next Montana, but with our staff he has a better chance at being the next Akili Smith...

TEX
03-19-2008, 01:09 PM
I think you've coined a new name!

Jake L-OMG!

Nope - Just a Type error - You can take the credit for it. ;)

TEX
03-19-2008, 01:16 PM
No way I would bet on Ryan either...

what has he proved at the NFL level? he could be the next Ryan Leaf for all we know...

Then we disagree, which is fine. But by your logic, why draft anyone, because no college player has proven anything at the NFL level - right? :rolleyes:

On the other hand, IMO Croyle has done nothing to make me think we should pass on a franchise QB prospect in favor of him. He's a 3rd round pick of a QBOTF starved franchise. The Chiefs owe him nothing. I really believe that if Long is gone, and Ryan falls to us, the Chiefs should take him.

DaneMcCloud
03-19-2008, 01:21 PM
Ryan might be the next Montana, but with our staff he has a better chance at being the next Akili Smith...

I don't buy this for one f*cking second.

IF Ryan's a great QB that WINS football games, the Chiefs coaching staff isn't going to STOP him from winning games. That ludicrous.

Chiefnj2
03-19-2008, 01:48 PM
It is interesting that Herm, Peterson and Gailey were all in Boston when other big schools had their Pro Days yesterday - Boise State, Florida, Georgia, Penn State and Virginia.

I wonder where Gun and Kuharcih were.