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DTLB58
03-20-2008, 11:18 AM
Update:
I seen the surgeon this morning and after about a hour consultation, looking at the MRI, reading the report, conducting some physical tests and talking it over he recommended surgery.

He thought after 6 years and all the other things I have tried it was fair at this point to consider it. He just gave his opinion and totally left it up to me. So I scheduled it for 2 weeks from today.

One of the other things I have to take into consideration with this, is that the company dr. told me if I try and return to work without surgery they are placing permanent restrictions on me. Only 8 hour work days and no repititive bending,lifting or twisting. If I have the surgery and it is succesful they would let me return without those restrictions. That is important because with the restrictions, it will one limit my ability to make more money and two, retrict me to move throughout the factory to other jobs if I so desire. The union also warned me with permanent restrictions the company could just tell me they don't have a job for me any longer.

Thanks for all the replies and info, it was much appreciated.


Had an MRI done on my back on Tuesday. See a surgeon Tomorrow.

I got the report from the MRI back today so I can take it to my appointment.

Here's where I was looking for some insight. My main problem is at the L4-L5.

The report reads: "Posterior left paramedian disc herniation and the herniated disc volume is decreased significantly from the previous exam. Specifically, the small extruded fragment has resolved. The remaining protruding disc flattens the ventral margin of the thecal sac and closely approximates the origins of the right and left L5 nerve root sleeves.

Is the decreasing volume good or bad? And that the extruded fragment resolved good or bad?

Me and my wife are reading it two different ways.

Just a little anxious, have been sitting around the house for 2 weeks now cause the comapny dr. won't let me go back to work until I see the surgeon.

Boon
03-20-2008, 11:21 AM
You're focked.
Regards,
Dr. Love

tyton75
03-20-2008, 11:22 AM
I believe its a good thing.. meaning that the amount of the herniation has decreased.. so the disc isn't as far out of Kilter as it once was

DTLB58
03-20-2008, 11:31 AM
I believe its a good thing.. meaning that the amount of the herniation has decreased.. so the disc isn't as far out of Kilter as it once was

That's what I was thinking. But my wife looks at it this way. The disc volume has decreased, meaning there isn't has much of the disc left, which is bad. :shake:

ChiefsFan4Life
03-20-2008, 11:35 AM
Women tend to be illogical and irrational, therefore I would trust your judgement

catfish307
03-20-2008, 11:37 AM
You will have to have your whole back replaced with a new one is what it means. No, just kidding but if the disc squishes out and hits the nerves have a gun ready because you'll want to shoot yourself in the head to ease the pain. Hurts like a MFer.

chop
03-20-2008, 11:44 AM
I read it the same way that you did. I'm not a Dr., but I did stay at a Holiday Inn express last night.

A year or so ago, my wife had a procedure done to a herniated disc in her back. They stuck a needle in the disc and removed some of the fluid in the disc causing it not to be herniated any longer.

DTLB58
03-20-2008, 11:53 AM
You will have to have your whole back replaced with a new one is what it means. No, just kidding but if the disc squishes out and hits the nerves have a gun ready because you'll want to shoot yourself in the head to ease the pain. Hurts like a MFer.

Well, just so they don't give me a new anus instead ROFL

It already has it the nerves. I've been fighting this fugger off and on for 6 years. I have had about 12-15 steroid epideral injections during that time. Went to the E.R. in the middle of the night last sunday to get a pain shot.

If it's getting better not sure why I have all this pain along with numbness and tingling in my left leg and foot and it hurts like hell when I cough or sneeze.

tyton75
03-20-2008, 11:59 AM
well.. its not like you are going to lose any volume of BONE... now if they were talking about the volume between disc's.. that would be something else..

women! lol

StcChief
03-20-2008, 12:23 PM
Women tend to be illogical and irrational, therefore I would trust your judgement and will relationalize it to your last injury/sickness as occuring or associated with it again.:)

savchief
03-20-2008, 01:10 PM
First...I am not a physician. I was an MRI technologist for 10 years and did/saw thousands of these.

As an example---The attached images are two MRI images of the area you are asking about.

The star is the herniated disc. That is what has decreased in volume for you. That's good, but a herniated disc can look several different ways on a MRI, yours probably did not look exactly like this one. Also, a "resolved extruded fragment" is good too.

The green arrow corresponds to the right edge of the thecal sac, the nerve root exits the spinal canal on the right,just to the right of this. the same area on the left is where the left nerve root exits. The thecal sac is the area on the left image that looks like a boomerrang just below the red star. It should be oval, or kinda tri-oval, not boomerrang shaped. this person has a herniated disk as well. Some herniated disks can reduce in size without intervention. Sounds like yours has to some degree. Did the pain get better recently?

The image on the left is taken as if you were sliced in to top and bottom halves at the level of the L5 disk (angled to the angle of the disk space. The dark circle is the disk space between the L4 and L5 vertebral bodies.The image on the right is as if you were sliced in to equal right and left halves going through the spinal column. The square block looking things are the vertebrae, the dark stripe from top to bottom is the spinal canal. In between the blocks are the disks.

Hope this helped

catfish307
03-20-2008, 01:10 PM
I fought a bad back off and on for years until a couple of years ago I was pushing a lawn mower when my right leg started to hurt a little. Needless to say within a couple of day the pain radiating down my leg was so bad I realized why terminally ill people want to die. I finally had surgery about 6 weeks later to alleviate the pain. Herniated discs SUCK!!!

Uncle_Ted
03-20-2008, 01:33 PM
Question re: the surgeon ...is s/he an ortho or a neuro? My colleagues who have done work comp and med mal cases recommend the latter over the former.

(Kind of a perverse irony that med mal lawyers can often tell you who the best doctors are in your area)

DTLB58
03-20-2008, 01:38 PM
First...I am not a physician. I was an MRI technologist for 10 years and did/saw thousands of these.

As an example---The attached images are two MRI images of the area you are asking about.

The star is the herniated disc. That is what has decreased in volume for you. That's good, but a herniated disc can look several different ways on a MRI, yours probably did not look exactly like this one. Also, a "resolved extruded fragment" is good too.

The green arrow corresponds to the right edge of the thecal sac, the nerve root exits the spinal canal on the right,just to the right of this. the same area on the left is where the left nerve root exits. The thecal sac is the area on the left image that looks like a boomerrang just below the red star. It should be oval, or kinda tri-oval, not boomerrang shaped. this person has a herniated disk as well. Some herniated disks can reduce in size without intervention. Sounds like yours has to some degree. Did the pain get better recently?

The image on the left is taken as if you were sliced in to top and bottom halves at the level of the L5 disk (angled to the angle of the disk space. The dark circle is the disk space between the L4 and L5 vertebral bodies.The image on the right is as if you were sliced in to equal right and left halves going through the spinal column. The square block looking things are the vertebrae, the dark stripe from top to bottom is the spinal canal. In between the blocks are the disks.

Hope this helped

Wow, awesome thanks for the info.


The pain has recently got better but only because I went to E.R. as noted Sunday morning and got a pain shot. I didn't sleep at all Saturday night. The pain has since slowly started to come back. There is always an aching sore feeling and from time to time sharp pains that radiate down the left and right leg along with the tingling and numbness in my left leg/foot.

I do have the boomerang shaped thecal sac on my MRI and the herniated disc does look similar to mine although mine has more of a point rather than the roundness shown in that one.

Thig Lyfe
03-20-2008, 01:40 PM
There's a Dr. here somewhere.

Let me go find him.

DTLB58
03-20-2008, 01:43 PM
Question re: the surgeon ...is s/he an ortho or a neuro? My colleagues who have done work comp and med mal cases recommend the latter over the former.

(Kind of a perverse irony that med mal lawyers can often tell you who the best doctors are in your area)

The one that I will be seeing tomorrow is an ortho mainly because their are no neuro's in my city that my insurance will pay for. I have made the 2 hour round trip twice to see a neuro. The first time he said you don't need surgery, the second time he said your getting closer. This time the dr. that has been giving me all these injections said just go to this one in our city and see what he says, kind of a second opinion type thing.

Floridafan
03-20-2008, 02:19 PM
I fix them all day long non-surgically. Check out my website and if you want me to help find someone in your area let me know.

www.spinaldecompression.us (http://www.spinaldecompression.us)

manchambo
03-20-2008, 02:22 PM
I just found out I've got a herniated L4-L5 disc with an annular (sp?) tear. Weird thing is that I don't have that much back pain, but do have constant, fairly bad pain in the groin, right behind the nutsack Dr. thinks that might be caused by the disc irritating some nerves.

The human body is a beautiful, terrible, mysterious thing.

DTLB58
03-20-2008, 02:35 PM
I just found out I've got a herniated L4-L5 disc with an annular (sp?) tear. Weird thing is that I don't have that much back pain, but do have constant, fairly bad pain in the groin, right behind the nutsack Dr. thinks that might be caused by the disc irritating some nerves.

The human body is a beautiful, terrible, mysterious thing.

I have had pain in my groin with this almost the entire time since I originally injured it in 2002. About half the dr.'s I have seen tell me it has nothing to do with my back the other half say yes it has everything to do with my back. One dr. even laughed at me in front of a female intern. :cuss: I never went back to him.

catfish307
03-20-2008, 03:12 PM
I have had pain in my groin with this almost the entire time since I originally injured it in 2002. About half the dr.'s I have seen tell me it has nothing to do with my back the other half say yes it has everything to do with my back. One dr. even laughed at me in front of a female intern. :cuss: I never went back to him.



You should have kicked him in the nuts and asked him who's laughing now?:D

chasedude
03-20-2008, 03:21 PM
You should have kicked him in the nuts and asked him who's laughing now?:D
LMAO

manchambo
03-20-2008, 03:24 PM
I have had pain in my groin with this almost the entire time since I originally injured it in 2002. About half the dr.'s I have seen tell me it has nothing to do with my back the other half say yes it has everything to do with my back. One dr. even laughed at me in front of a female intern. :cuss: I never went back to him.

My doctor seems not to be convinced that it's the back. That doesn't make much sense to me. I've got a problem that could obviously affect all kinds of nerves running down there.

Skip Towne
03-20-2008, 03:34 PM
Have you had this condition before? Well, you've got it again.

acesn8s
03-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Have you tried physical therapy?

I have a similar problem. I had PT for about 2 months, lost a little weight and took naproxen and really benefitted from it. The Dr I went to told me that without a doubt he wanted to do surgery because that is where he made his money. I was happy to tell him that the PT worked and no longer needed his services.

Halfcan
03-20-2008, 06:25 PM
Hey best of luck, I hope it works out for ya.

Dicky McElephant
03-20-2008, 06:29 PM
There is a findthedr but he's just going to tell you that Jake Long is the next coming of Jesus Christ....and that Trevor Laws is WAYYYY better than Sedrick Ellis.

DTLB58
03-20-2008, 07:57 PM
Have you tried physical therapy?

I have a similar problem. I had PT for about 2 months, lost a little weight and took naproxen and really benefitted from it. The Dr I went to told me that without a doubt he wanted to do surgery because that is where he made his money. I was happy to tell him that the PT worked and no longer needed his services.

Not in the past 3 weeks since this has flared up again. But I have in the past, pretty much everything anyone has ever suggested works to make me feel better and get me going again. But then I do something or it just starts in again at a later date, usually about 6 months apart and then here I am laid up and off work again. I would really like a permanent fix. Maybe I am asking for too much? idk, just really frustrating after 6 years.

Floridafan
03-20-2008, 08:13 PM
Not in the past 3 weeks since this has flared up again. But I have in the past, pretty much everything anyone has ever suggested works to make me feel better and get me going again. But then I do something or it just starts in again at a later date, usually about 6 months apart and then here I am laid up and off work again. I would really like a permanent fix. Maybe I am asking for too much? idk, just really frustrating after 6 years.

Do you want to get it fixed or do you just like bitching about it?

DTLB58
03-21-2008, 08:13 AM
Do you want to get it fixed or do you just like bitching about it?

Well, Right now I am doing what my company dr. instructed me to do.

The dr. that gave me the steroid injection reffered me to the surgeon, that put me back to see the company dr. He has issues with how many injections I have had over the years. So he told me to stay off work,rest and let's wait and see what the surgeon says.

No dr. suggested or gave me an order for PT which I have to have to get insurance to cover it.

Like I stated before, notihng I have ever done (inluding PT) has FIXED it, just got me going again to return to work and then it goes out again. That's why I'm at the point of considering surgery to see if that will be a fix?

DenverChief
03-21-2008, 09:58 AM
JUST FYI DTLB58


Leslie Fishbein dies
By Howard Pankratz
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 03/19/2008 07:06:31 PM MDT

Denver businesswoman Leslie Fishbein , known for her wit, energy and business acumen, died today at Presbyterian/St. Luke's Hospital.

Fishbein was taken to the hospital on March 4 after suffering a severe reaction to an injection for chronic back pain.

The Fishbein family released a statement through the hospital:

"It is with deep sadness that we announce the passing of our beloved wife, daughter and sister, Leslie Fishbein, this Wednesday March 19 at 12 p.m.
"Leslie was a vibrant and loving member of our community as well as our family. Her passing is a profound loss for all of us.

"We ask once again that we be allowed to grieve our loss privately," the family said.

Services for Fishbein will be at 3 p.m Friday at Temple Emanuel, 51 Grape St., said Rabbi Steven Foster. The temple is at the intersection of East 1st Avenue and Grape Street.

Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper said that Fishbein's death had taken one of the city's shining lights.

"Leslie Fishbein has been a surrogate sister to me for many years," said Hickenlooper. "While she will deservedly be remembered as a vital force in Denver's business and philanthropic communities, her vibrancy, warmth and humor are what her friends and family will miss most.

"Those of us who knew and loved her were better for it, and the City of Denver was a brighter place with Leslie in it," he said.

Joan Mazak, the president of the Make-A-Wish Foundation in Colorado, said Fishbein, who chaired the foundation's gala in 2007, was a joy to work with.
"She is an absolute delight. She was energetic, easy to work with, bubbly and perky," said Mazak. "I think when Leslie committed to something, she really committed to it.

"She worked very hard for us," said Mazak, who said Fishbein vowed she'd raise money for the Make-A-Wish children and did exactly that.
"She was really a different type of person. She was going to follow it through," said Mazak.

Fishbein was well-known in the community and appeared frequently in television ads for her company, Kacey Fine Furniture. She was admitted to Presbyterian/St. Luke's Hospital for emergency treatment on March 4. She had been given an injection for chronic back pain and suffered a serious reaction, her friends said. She was later placed on life-support, which was removed March 7.

Fishbein exercised regularly and had been an avid horseback rider until she injured her back in a fall in September 2002. It was that injury which caused her chronic pain and for which she was seeking treatment Tuesday. After the injury, she gave up horses and took up golf with the same fervor.

Charles Goldstein, Fishbein's cousin, said that Fishbein will be remembered for her upbeat personality and zest for life.

"She always had a smile on her face. She was always laughing and having a good time," said Goldstein. "She never sat still and barely slept she had such a thirst for life and people."

He said that as they grew up together, if he ever had a down day and needed to talk, "she'd drop everything" and help him.
Hickenlooper said Fishbein and her father, Jack Barton, were his "unofficial mentors" when as a struggling young businessman he opened the Wynkoop Brewing Co. in downtown Denver more than 20 years ago.

The Wynkoop Brewing Co. went into the building that had been the main warehouse for Kacey Fine Furniture. Jack Barton was his first landlord, said Hickenlooper.

"Jack would come in and point out where we were slipping and falling down and so would Leslie," said the mayor. "Jack had three daughters and Leslie stepped in and took over his business. She was a natural businesswoman - savvy with numbers and a remarkable capacity for marketing and people."

"She had a very, very incisive wit," the mayor added. "She was very colorful, telling stories and anecdotes."

The mayor said he had "been kind of adopted into the (Barton) family" and Leslie was like a sister to him.

U.S. Senator Ken Salazar said that because of Fishbein's death, Colorado lost both a "generous citizen" and a "business pioneer."

"Leslie's work and vibrant personality will have a long-lasting impact on our community," said Salazar. "My thought and prayers are with Leslie's family and friends in this difficult time."
F
ishbein was born and raised in southeast Denver, graduating from George Washington High School and the University of Colorado, where she was admitted into the Phi Beta Kappa honors society.

In an interview with Blacktie-Colorado, she said her personal heroes were her father, mother and husband.

Asked what her greatest strengths are, she replied: "I am extremely energetic and I can lift more furniture pound for pound in high heels than most people can imagine!"

She said her most treasured possession was "my husband and my family."
She married Sam Fishbein 31 years ago. They have no children.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8627092?source=rss

DenverChief
03-21-2008, 10:06 AM
Not to freak you out or anything but ALL of my back problems have been handled by a chiropractor ....yea some problems never fully go away (neither have yours I see) but $25 a month for a 30 minute "adjustment" and massage session ain't nothing to complain about

Pasta Giant Meatball
03-21-2008, 10:28 AM
mention jake long or trevor laws and you will find a dr

DTLB58
03-21-2008, 12:28 PM
JUST FYI DTLB58



http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8627092?source=rss

Wow, scary stuff

DTLB58
03-21-2008, 12:36 PM
Not to freak you out or anything but ALL of my back problems have been handled by a chiropractor ....yea some problems never fully go away (neither have yours I see) but $25 a month for a 30 minute "adjustment" and massage session ain't nothing to complain about

My parent's swear by them and have used them for years. The thing that always got me about chiropractors was that they went back to them over and over. Not just once a month but several times a month. When I first started having problem I went to theirs and he flat out told me he couldn't help me.

So I just kept doing the injection thing, besides at the time the injections were lasting about 6 months and were paid by insurance 100% and the chiropractor I had to pay 100%.

Then last year I tried a new chirpactor in town I had about 6 treatments and received some relief but it seem to be the treatment that lasted the shortest amount of time.

acesn8s
03-21-2008, 02:07 PM
My parent's swear by them and have used them for years. The thing that always got me about chiropractors was that they went back to them over and over. Not just once a month but several times a month. When I first started having problem I went to theirs and he flat out told me he couldn't help me.

So I just kept doing the injection thing, besides at the time the injections were lasting about 6 months and were paid by insurance 100% and the chiropractor I had to pay 100%.

Then last year I tried a new chirpactor in town I had about 6 treatments and received some relief but it seem to be the treatment that lasted the shortest amount of time.
I know a damn good one in the Blue Springs area that claims that he can help 99% of the people.