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Short Leash Hootie
03-24-2008, 11:17 PM
Feel like raping the casino blackjack on ChiefsPlanet, here's how!

If you're dealt a 9, double 3-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 10, double 2-9, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an 11, double 2-10, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 12, stay 4-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 13-16, stay 2-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 17-21, Stay. See 99, A6, A7.
If you're dealt an A2, A3, double 5-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an A4, A5, double 4-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an A6, double 3-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an A7, double 3-6, stay 2, 7, 8, Hit A9.
If you're dealt an AA, 88, always split.
If you're dealt a 22, 33 split 2-7, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 44, split 5-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 55, never split, play as 10.
If you're dealt a 66, split 2-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 77, split 2-7, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 99, split 2-6, 8-9, stay 7, 10, A.

Bump
03-24-2008, 11:24 PM
is this like counting cards?

Short Leash Hootie
03-24-2008, 11:28 PM
is this like counting cards?

no, it just gives you the statistically best chance to win given every possible scenario you would encounter playing blackjack.

Counting cards is a little different...you have to be a genius to be able to do it in a casino setting, that's for sure...you have to be insanely good with numbers and insanely fast, and have an insanely good memory...so you pretty much have to be insane.

Speaking of counting cards, I'm pretty stoked to see the movie 21 on Friday...

Bugeater
03-24-2008, 11:41 PM
If this works so well why do you only have $350 in casino cash?

Short Leash Hootie
03-24-2008, 11:46 PM
If this works so well why do you only have $350 in casino cash?

Let it Ride!

Frazod
03-24-2008, 11:54 PM
If this works so well why do you only have $350 in casino cash?

The computer CP dealer is a demon from hell. No human dealer could hit 21 with a f#cking 6 showing over and over and over and over and over. It's almost automatic.

:cuss:

Short Leash Hootie
03-25-2008, 12:14 AM
meh, I had $30 when I started playing blackjack earlier and brought it up to $350 using progressive bets starting from $5...

talastan
03-25-2008, 06:45 AM
no, it just gives you the statistically best chance to win given every possible scenario you would encounter playing blackjack.

Counting cards is a little different...you have to be a genius to be able to do it in a casino setting, that's for sure...you have to be insanely good with numbers and insanely fast, and have an insanely good memory...so you pretty much have to be insane.

Speaking of counting cards, I'm pretty stoked to see the movie 21 on Friday...

Can't wait for this flick either. The kid is the same guy from that movie musical that used only Beatles music called "Across the Universe". I hope he's successful as an actor.

ROYC75
03-25-2008, 07:52 AM
Feel like raping the casino blackjack on ChiefsPlanet, here's how!

If you're dealt a 9, double 3-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 10, double 2-9, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an 11, double 2-10, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 12, stay 4-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 13-16, stay 2-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 17-21, Stay. See 99, A6, A7.
If you're dealt an A2, A3, double 5-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an A4, A5, double 4-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an A6, double 3-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt an A7, double 3-6, stay 2, 7, 8, Hit A9.
If you're dealt an AA, 88, always split.
If you're dealt a 22, 33 split 2-7, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 44, split 5-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 55, never split, play as 10.
If you're dealt a 66, split 2-6, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 77, split 2-7, otherwise hit.
If you're dealt a 99, split 2-6, 8-9, stay 7, 10, A.



Most of this doesn't make any sense ......... What part does , doesn't work either.

You care to explain it ?

MTG#10
03-25-2008, 09:55 AM
Thanks I just came out $90 up after using those rules.

KChiefsQT
03-25-2008, 10:13 AM
I went to the Casino last night, and brought along a slot playing friend. Bad idea!! She had blown her money while I was making a killing at the table. There were three of us playing and all SMART blackjack players!! Went home 250 up, my last five hands dealt I hit 21 3 times. Good night of gambling for me!!!

KChiefsQT
03-25-2008, 10:14 AM
meh, I had $30 when I started playing blackjack earlier and brought it up to $350 using progressive bets starting from $5...

Not to make you feel like an arse but I started with $50 casino cash thanks to GOCHiefs helping out a broke friend... and I'm up 1000!!!

alnorth
03-25-2008, 10:59 AM
There are 3 flaws, but its mostly right.

If you are dealt an 11, you always double, even against an ace

If you are dealt A7, you should also double against a 2

If you are dealt A8, you should double against a 6, otherwise stay. (Be prepared, because this will get you confused and annoyed looks in a casino)

Your split rules are all correct.

Also, this wont let you "rape" casino blackjack, because even by playing perfect strategy, the house still has an edge. If you play the perfect strategy, then blackjack is probably the most fair game in the casino with only a tiny house edge (especially if you can find a game with the surrender option) . The only other "fair" game comparable to blackjack with this tiny house edge would be Pai-Gow poker without placing a fortune bet, or 9/6 Full Pay Jacks or Better video poker. (Thats hard to find too, many casinos have adjusted the pay tables on their video poker machines to be less favorable, basically turning them into about as bad a deal as slots)

The ONLY way to have a player edge in blackjack is to count cards, betting more when the count is in your favor, and slightly deviate from the perfect strategy for a few specific plays at certain counts.

alnorth
03-25-2008, 11:12 AM
Regarding counting, I do it, but it is very difficult, and I can handle only the most basic counting method. I dont have the patience to practice any of the better exotic methods the pros use. I practiced at home for a long time before I felt I was getting fast enough to try it in the casino. You also MUST play perfect strategy when the count doesnt say otherwise. Someone who makes a mistake 1 hand out of 100 while counting cards will not have an edge at all.

The player edge for a counter is also "theoretical", you dont suddenly start raking it in every night, the counter has wild swings just like everyone else where they win big one night and completely bust out the next. Its just that over the long haul, over hundreds of hours and years of playing, the counter can pretty much be assured of coming out ahead, while everyone else loses.

Since I tip generously, I destroy any edge I may gain from counting anyway. I'm not going to be a career player, I just do it for entertainment and to prove to myself I can do it without raising enough suspicion to be hassled. Anything I gain over the years probably went to the dealers in tips.

Here's a pretty good summary of all that from the wizard of odds:

Let me say loud and clear that card counting is hard and is not as rewarding as television and the movies make it out to be. If it were an easy way to make money everyone would be doing it.

If you do not know the basic strategy, trying to count cards is highly ill-advised. Experienced card counters still play by the basic strategy the great majority of the time. There can be no short cut around learning the basic strategy, those who attempt card counting without a firm foundation in the basic strategy are making a big mistake.

To be a successful counter you have to be able to count down a deck fast and memorize large tables of numbers as well as make it look like you're just a casual player. Furthermore, with today's rules, a realistic advantage the counter will have is only 0.5% to 1.5%. You will not win money slowly and gradually but your bankroll will go up and down like a roller coaster in the short run. Only in the long run, over hundreds of hours of playing, can you count on winning.

Flustrated
03-25-2008, 11:17 AM
is this like counting cards?

I bet Rainman Rocks at Black Jack... I saw his movie:D

Bowser
03-25-2008, 12:03 PM
As of this moment, Hootie has 10 casino dollars. :D

Bugeater
03-25-2008, 12:16 PM
Regarding counting, I do it, but it is very difficult, and I can handle only the most basic counting method. I dont have the patience to practice any of the better exotic methods the pros use. I practiced at home for a long time before I felt I was getting fast enough to try it in the casino. You also MUST play perfect strategy when the count doesnt say otherwise. Someone who makes a mistake 1 hand out of 100 while counting cards will not have an edge at all.

The player edge for a counter is also "theoretical", you dont suddenly start raking it in every night, the counter has wild swings just like everyone else where they win big one night and completely bust out the next. Its just that over the long haul, over hundreds of hours and years of playing, the counter can pretty much be assured of coming out ahead, while everyone else loses.

Since I tip generously, I destroy any edge I may gain from counting anyway. I'm not going to be a career player, I just do it for entertainment and to prove to myself I can do it without raising enough suspicion to be hassled. Anything I gain over the years probably went to the dealers in tips.

Here's a pretty good summary of all that from the wizard of odds:
Why in the sam hell would you ever tip a blackjack dealer? Just because you happened to beat the odds and won?

MTG#10
03-25-2008, 02:13 PM
The blackjack on here cheats so bad its not even funny. I just played 8 hands in a row and the dealer's hand in order was - 19, 19, 21, 20, 20, blackjack, 19, 20

Bugeater
03-25-2008, 02:16 PM
The blackjack on here cheats so bad its not even funny. I just played 8 hands in a row and the dealer's hand in order was - 19, 19, 21, 20, 20, blackjack, 19, 20

Thanks for that breaking news. :rolleyes:

stlchiefs
03-25-2008, 02:38 PM
The blackjack on here cheats so bad its not even funny. I just played 8 hands in a row and the dealer's hand in order was - 19, 19, 21, 20, 20, blackjack, 19, 20

You sound like Herm. whiner.

Frazod
03-25-2008, 02:39 PM
The blackjack on here cheats so bad its not even funny. I just played 8 hands in a row and the dealer's hand in order was - 19, 19, 21, 20, 20, blackjack, 19, 20

You can almost smell the cooking spray.

Short Leash Hootie
03-25-2008, 02:47 PM
As of this moment, Hootie has 10 casino dollars. :D

heads up blackjack against the computer isn't any fun...since it isn't real money I prefer the roulette wheel...