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Skip Towne
03-28-2008, 10:35 PM
What??? Who is stupid?

You are.

Guru
03-28-2008, 10:35 PM
We did take Duke out though. OU beat Arizona to make the final.

What sweet revenge that was taking out Duke.

ROYC75
03-28-2008, 10:37 PM
Anyone think Louisville beats UNC? Or do the Tarheels kick ass?
Depends on who dictates the game....... this can go either way. Louisville is tough, UNC will try to run. If Pitino does alot od press and they don't get back, it's a track meet and UNC wins going away.

ROYC75
03-28-2008, 10:38 PM
We did take Duke out though. OU beat Arizona to make the final.


Seriously, OU was loaded and probally the best team that year. Duke was good, we caught them just right, evrybody expected a OU - Duke final.

Bearcat
03-28-2008, 10:43 PM
Anyone think Louisville beats UNC? Or do the Tarheels kick ass?

UNC looks like they're on a mission... I haven't seen Louisville at all this season.

Hansbrough vs. Padgett will be the most awkward display of atheticism between two players that you'll ever see.

Boon
03-28-2008, 10:43 PM
Depends on who dictates the game....... this can go either way. Louisville is tough, UNC will try to run. If Pitino does alot od press and they don't get back, it's a track meet and UNC wins going away.

Wonder if Padgett will play with a chip on his shoulder and dominate? Could be interesting....

Skip Towne
03-28-2008, 10:48 PM
UNC looks like they're on a mission... I haven't seen Louisville at all this season.

Hansbrough vs. Padgett will be the most awkward display of atheticism between two players that you'll ever see.

Padgett is waay overrated. Hansbrough will eat his lunch.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-28-2008, 10:49 PM
I thought it was a great analogy, but actually it's flawed.

If the math final is comprehensive, even if you had a C- all semester, getting the best grade on the final goes a long way in proving you're the best student in the class. If you weren't paying attention all semester, you certainly can't fake it for one test.

And not that I need to finish the analogy, but if you're mediocre all season, winning your 'final' only means you won your final, not that the rest of the season was just a fluke. It's the other way around... the final was the fluke, because you're comparing one game to an entire season. It's exactly what you said, you're the best at that point in time. Not overall.

I don't think George Mason was one of the top 4 teams in the nation a couple of years ago, but they were certainly one of the hottest teams in the nation. It goes back to what BWillie said... peaking at the right time, a hot goalie, a cold shooting streak by an opponent, bats dying in the playoffs... stuff happens, and it's not always the best team that wins.


See the 97 Chiefs for further explanation.

Bearcat
03-28-2008, 10:57 PM
Padgett is waay overrated.

I agree.

But, I also agree with a reader's opinion from SI this week...
"I find it hard to believe that you'd give PoY honors to Psycho-T, a one-dimensional role player who can't dribble, stroke the three or mid-range jumper and is not a deft passer. He is defintely top 10, but his supporting cast has more to do with Carolina's record than Hansbrough. Swap him for Beasley and UNC arguably goes perfect, while KSU's flattens further."

He has a ton of energy and tenacity, but his game is almost solely based on getting to the free throw line (I've seen him get off to some really slow starts because he throws lame ducks towards the basket while flailing around but the refs don't call the foul... he adjusts, starts aiming for the basket, and ends up with a decent night) and looks terribly awkward when he has the ball.

I'm not one to go around saying every good player in the country is overrated because they get a lot of press... but with him, I just don't see it. :shrug:

KCChiefsMan
03-28-2008, 10:59 PM
Rock Chalk Jayhawk! Davidson is a nice cinderella story, but I'm confident that our guards can contain Curry and we shouldn't have much trouble!

Mr. Kotter
03-28-2008, 11:34 PM
Keep Curry from goin' assrape Apeshit nuts, and we are headed to the final four.

I say Curry does okay against us, but he appears human for the first time in the tourney on Sunday. ;)

KCChiefsMan
03-28-2008, 11:44 PM
I'm not gonna read through this thread so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not.

But is it just me, or is it really f*cked up that these games in detroit were played in a damn football stadium? I mean, it takes away from the atmosphere and it definately takes the crowd out of the game, which is what college basketball is all about! I mean, unless it's a packed house (which it wasn't even close) it's going to be quiet as a mouse in there! It's all about the NCAA making more money, selling more tickets, but come on!

Boon
03-28-2008, 11:44 PM
I say Curry does okay against us, but he appears human for the first time in the tourney on Sunday. ;)

Ten-four.

DJay23
03-28-2008, 11:59 PM
I agree.

But, I also agree with a reader's opinion from SI this week...
"I find it hard to believe that you'd give PoY honors to Psycho-T, a one-dimensional role player who can't dribble, stroke the three or mid-range jumper and is not a deft passer. He is defintely top 10, but his supporting cast has more to do with Carolina's record than Hansbrough. Swap him for Beasley and UNC arguably goes perfect, while KSU's flattens further."

He has a ton of energy and tenacity, but his game is almost solely based on getting to the free throw line (I've seen him get off to some really slow starts because he throws lame ducks towards the basket while flailing around but the refs don't call the foul... he adjusts, starts aiming for the basket, and ends up with a decent night) and looks terribly awkward when he has the ball.

I'm not one to go around saying every good player in the country is overrated because they get a lot of press... but with him, I just don't see it. :shrug:

I agree completely. I say it all the time to anyone who will listen. I'm sure he's a nice guy to have in the post, but what pisses me off is when I am told by every idiot with a microphone that I have to love his heart.

Just because he falls on the floor all the time and flails his arms and HAPPENS to have the words, "North" and "Carolina" on his chest doesn't make him a great player. I'd still take him on my team, but Beasley is BY FAR the best player in the country HANDS DOWN.

Boyceofsummer
03-29-2008, 01:49 AM
I'm not gonna read through this thread so I don't know if this has been mentioned or not.

But is it just me, or is it really f*cked up that these games in detroit were played in a damn football stadium? I mean, it takes away from the atmosphere and it definately takes the crowd out of the game, which is what college basketball is all about! I mean, unless it's a packed house (which it wasn't even close) it's going to be quiet as a mouse in there! It's all about the NCAA making more money, selling more tickets, but come on!

The Dalai Lama himself should be used to protest this abuse of college basketball. I like the carma: 1988, Pontiac Silver Dome. THEY BOTH SUCK! As does every other domed stadium in the world. But that's just me.

Friendo
03-29-2008, 04:14 AM
I agree completely. I say it all the time to anyone who will listen. I'm sure he's a nice guy to have in the post, but what pisses me off is when I am told by every idiot with a microphone that I have to love his heart.

Just because he falls on the floor all the time and flails his arms and HAPPENS to have the words, "North" and "Carolina" on his chest doesn't make him a great player. I'd still take him on my team, but Beasley is BY FAR the best player in the country HANDS DOWN.

you guys are lettin your hate cloud your judgement. he's FAR more skilled than you have portrayed here, but I do understand backlash-love, both collectively, and individually, which UNC and Hansbrough are receiving in spades right now. his "supporting cast" has at times this season provided very little support at all.

I wish we could bury all this resentment, but I'd be mad too if I had lost both a HOF coach, and an all-time college great to the same school. the Kansas-Carolina connection is too deep, and the class both schools have traditionally presented is beyond any fan-hate. IMO, based on what I've seen, you guys have the best team this year, but as you guys know, you can never tell how a Danny Green/Rush will match up, or a Chalmers/Lawson until they actually get it on. I hope we meet, and may the best team win. if it happens to be KU, I will be pulling for the Jayhawks, but there are some damn good teams left in this thing.

DJay23
03-29-2008, 07:07 AM
you guys are lettin your hate cloud your judgement. he's FAR more skilled than you have portrayed here, but I do understand backlash-love, both collectively, and individually, which UNC and Hansbrough are receiving in spades right now. his "supporting cast" has at times this season provided very little support at all.

I wish we could bury all this resentment, but I'd be mad too if I had lost both a HOF coach, and an all-time college great to the same school. the Kansas-Carolina connection is too deep, and the class both schools have traditionally presented is beyond any fan-hate. IMO, based on what I've seen, you guys have the best team this year, but as you guys know, you can never tell how a Danny Green/Rush will match up, or a Chalmers/Lawson until they actually get it on. I hope we meet, and may the best team win. if it happens to be KU, I will be pulling for the Jayhawks, but there are some damn good teams left in this thing.

Nice post. The only thing about a potential KU-UNC matchup I regret is that KU fans themselves can't be on the floor to provide their own "chip on a shoulder." We may say we've forgotten Roy, but we haven't, and we all pretty much root against him. One thing I'll disagree with you on, and this is assuming the rumors were true, that Dean talked to Roy about coming to Carolina during the Final Four. Did that cause us to shoot 50% from the stripe? Probably not, but I'm sure it was in his head, and you just don't do things like that to your alma mater.

I compare Roy to an ex who cheated on you. The person means nothing to you NOW but at one point there was love and then there was hate so there is no reason for me to root for him EVER, and there is reason for me to root against him.

As for Hansborough, I wouldn't mind if he had decided on KU, trust me. But the love the media gives him is ridiculous. He plays hard, but he doesn't look like a "Player of the Year" to me. He reminds me of a less skilled, more physical Nick Collison.

Not to mention the ACC was WAY overrated this year (oh no, did I just say that? I must not know anything about basketball!). But whatever, it's status quo for the national media.

Sure-Oz
03-29-2008, 08:23 AM
my bracket went to hell last night, from tied for 2nd to 6th

Friendo
03-29-2008, 08:54 AM
Nice post. The only thing about a potential KU-UNC matchup I regret is that KU fans themselves can't be on the floor to provide their own "chip on a shoulder." We may say we've forgotten Roy, but we haven't, and we all pretty much root against him. One thing I'll disagree with you on, and this is assuming the rumors were true, that Dean talked to Roy about coming to Carolina during the Final Four. Did that cause us to shoot 50% from the stripe? Probably not, but I'm sure it was in his head, and you just don't do things like that to your alma mater.

I compare Roy to an ex who cheated on you. The person means nothing to you NOW but at one point there was love and then there was hate so there is no reason for me to root for him EVER, and there is reason for me to root against him.

As for Hansborough, I wouldn't mind if he had decided on KU, trust me. But the love the media gives him is ridiculous. He plays hard, but he doesn't look like a "Player of the Year" to me. He reminds me of a less skilled, more physical Nick Collison.

Not to mention the ACC was WAY overrated this year (oh no, did I just say that? I must not know anything about basketball!). But whatever, it's status quo for the national media.

well, I can interpret that as a back-handed compliment to Roy. for the same reasons we like him and he's a good fit, are the same reasons KU fans did. and I'll repeat, if you let the "media-love" obscure Hansbrough's talents, (even if justifiable), then as a true hoops fan you are terribly mis-guided in thinking he's just a well-hyped "hustler"...think more along the lines of a Dave Cowens, with maybe a couple of more tools in the tool-kit.

and the ACC WAS over-rated this year--I hope it's not a trend, but imo, the overall coaching, talent & teams are better in the Big East.

Reerun_KC
03-29-2008, 09:18 AM
my bracket went to hell last night, from tied for 2nd to 6th
That is what you get for sucking off UW....

Wisconsin sucks and so does the style the Big 10 plays... You have to score points to win...

Sure-Oz
03-29-2008, 09:37 AM
That is what you get for sucking off UW....

Wisconsin sucks and so does the style the Big 10 plays... You have to score points to win...

You think i would've known better as a chiefs fan

Reerun_KC
03-29-2008, 09:39 AM
You think i would've known better as a chiefs fan
ROFL speechless! Rep points for you!

Sure-Oz
03-29-2008, 09:44 AM
ROFL speechless! Rep points for you!

haha atleast if i dont win the bracket or money i got those rep points!:)

Reerun_KC
03-29-2008, 09:46 AM
haha atleast if i dont win the bracket or money i got those rep points!:)
kind of like a consolation prize...

Bearcat
03-29-2008, 09:57 AM
you guys are lettin your hate cloud your judgement. he's FAR more skilled than you have portrayed here, but I do understand backlash-love...

I wish we could bury all this resentment, but I'd be mad too if I had lost both a HOF coach, and an all-time college great to the same school....

Not that you have to read all of my posts (you should though LMAO ), but I've mentioned in this thread that 1) it's not backlash-love, and 2) I have nothing against Roy Williams or UNC.

The short list of media love over the past few years...
Michael Beasley -- As a coworker said, his pretentiousness would be much cuter if he was 7, but he's still the best player in the nation.
Kevin Durant -- Loved the kid, and I hated seeing him go since I don't watch the NBA.
Kevin Love -- I hear he does it all, but I haven't seen much more than highlights of UCLA. :shrug:
TJ Ford -- Seriously, WTF? ESPN completely fell in love with this kid, I'd say more than with Hansbrough, yet I never found out why.

Tyler Hansbrough -- He can rebound and play defense, and shoot a lot of free throws. He's really good under the basket and never seems to 'not show up'. However, with the ball, he's one of the most awkward kids I've ever seen. I've never seen anyone else get tied up while taking a shot more than him, and I've never seen anyone intentionally draw more contact. The last second shot against Clemson was about the first time I've seen him hit a shot when he wasn't standing under the basket, and he misses a lot of easy shots because he's flailing his arms so he can go to the foul line. He's a flailer. When the refs aren't calling his crap and he adjusts, I see flashes of the PoY... but he's no Keven Durant or Michael Beasley.

Sure-Oz
03-29-2008, 09:59 AM
I don't think Hansborough will be a star in the NBA, probably a solid backup if anything

Ari Chi3fs
03-29-2008, 09:59 AM
UNC looks like they're on a mission... I haven't seen Louisville at all this season.

Hansbrough vs. Padgett will be the most awkward display of atheticism between two players that you'll ever see.


I find it interesting that David Padgetts last college game will be against the coach that successfully recruited him to college.

Reerun_KC
03-29-2008, 10:03 AM
I don't think Hansborough will be a star in the NBA, probably a solid backup if anything
Actually, I dont think you will hear much about him period once he leaves UNC...

What are the odds he comes back for his SR season.. I say pretty good. He is pretty low on alot of draft boards...

Most people other than ESPN talking heads arent buying into the Physco T hype...

Reerun_KC
03-29-2008, 10:03 AM
I find it interesting that David Padgetts last college game will be against the coach that successfully recruited him to college.
Louisville will send UNC packing today...

Friendo
03-29-2008, 10:35 AM
Not that you have to read all of my posts (you should though LMAO ), but I've mentioned in this thread that 1) it's not backlash-love, and 2) I have nothing against Roy Williams or UNC.

The short list of media love over the past few years...
Michael Beasley -- As a coworker said, his pretentiousness would be much cuter if he was 7, but he's still the best player in the nation.
Kevin Durant -- Loved the kid, and I hated seeing him go since I don't watch the NBA.
Kevin Love -- I hear he does it all, but I haven't seen much more than highlights of UCLA. :shrug:
TJ Ford -- Seriously, WTF? ESPN completely fell in love with this kid, I'd say more than with Hansbrough, yet I never found out why.

Tyler Hansbrough -- He can rebound and play defense, and shoot a lot of free throws. He's really good under the basket and never seems to 'not show up'. However, with the ball, he's one of the most awkward kids I've ever seen. I've never seen anyone else get tied up while taking a shot more than him, and I've never seen anyone intentionally draw more contact. The last second shot against Clemson was about the first time I've seen him hit a shot when he wasn't standing under the basket, and he misses a lot of easy shots because he's flailing his arms so he can go to the foul line. He's a flailer. When the refs aren't calling his crap and he adjusts, I see flashes of the PoY... but he's no Keven Durant or Michael Beasley.

I do in fact often read your posts and do generally agree with you and respect your takes, but while you've mentioned some legit things about his game, you're leaving out a lot too. He's got a reliable face-up shot from 10 to 15ft, and I've seen him nail 3's with regularity in practice (and think you might see it somewhere in this Tourney, and if not then next season). He does draw contact, and sometimes intentionally, but he's also been double and triple-teamed this year, and still scored consistently, despite being draped AND FOULED, NBA style. Sometimes it's called, sometimes it isn't, but he rarely fails to score either way. If the "last second shot against Clemson was the first time you've seen him hit a shot when he wasn't standing under the basket", then you either haven't watched many UNC games, or you have absolutely zero credibility on this issue. The most legitmate criticism of him is he's very much like Kevin McHale (whom Danny Ainge use to refer to as "the black-hole) who when he got the ball in the post, rarely re-distributed, but also like KM, Tyler usually delivers.

Skip Towne
03-29-2008, 11:07 AM
I find it interesting that David Padgetts last college game will be against the coach that successfully recruited him to college.

I hope his last game is against the coach who booted his ass out of his first stop.

Bearcat
03-29-2008, 11:22 AM
I do in fact often read your posts and do generally agree with you and respect your takes, but while you've mentioned some legit things about his game, you're leaving out a lot too. He's got a reliable face-up shot from 10 to 15ft, and I've seen him nail 3's with regularity in practice (and think you might see it somewhere in this Tourney, and if not then next season). He does draw contact, and sometimes intentionally, but he's also been double and triple-teamed this year, and still scored consistently, despite being draped AND FOULED, NBA style. Sometimes it's called, sometimes it isn't, but he rarely fails to score either way. If the "last second shot against Clemson was the first time you've seen him hit a shot when he wasn't standing under the basket", then you either haven't watched many UNC games, or you have absolutely zero credibility on this issue. The most legitmate criticism of him is he's very much like Kevin McHale (whom Danny Ainge use to refer to as "the black-hole) who when he got the ball in the post, rarely re-distributed, but also like KM, Tyler usually delivers.

I wouldn't say he rarely fails to score when he's either fouled or trying to get a call. I've seen him sacrifice the shot for the contact several times, which is my biggest annoyance towards anyone that plays basketball. It's the equivalent to diving, and just as bad as when players fall backwards like they've been shot in the chest after minor contact. He's strong with the basketball, but also very awkward at times... I think he'd be so much better if he concentrated on the shot and not the contact.

Well, I did say "about the first time". ;) That was probably exaggerated a little, and no, I haven't seen a ton of UNC games this year (I'd actually like to see more because Roy's style is entertaining)... but, in the games I have seen, I haven't noticed much range on the offensive side of the ball.