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cdcox
03-28-2008, 10:36 PM
Who's the best?

ClevelandBronco
03-28-2008, 10:44 PM
Dude. Architect.

Third Eye
03-28-2008, 10:44 PM
I've always wanted to live in Wright's "Fallingwater."

Ebolapox
03-28-2008, 10:46 PM
Housing, dude. Housing!

ClevelandBronco
03-28-2008, 10:55 PM
I've always wanted to live in Wright's "Fallingwater."

I love looking at it. I wouldn't want to deal with living in it. It's leaky and underengineered. Pretty much typical for Wright's stuff.

Don't get me wrong. I think he's an artist of the highest order. But he's the ultimate answer to the question, "why do I have to learn math? I'll never use it." He should have learned just a little more.

cdcox
03-28-2008, 10:56 PM
I love looking at it. I wouldn't want to deal with living in it. It's leaky and underengineered. Pretty much typical for Wright's stuff.

Don't get me wrong. I think he's an artist of the highest order. But he's the ultimate answer to the question, "why do I have to learn math? I'll never use it." He should have learned just a little more.

Or worked with an engineer.

Adept Havelock
03-28-2008, 10:59 PM
I'm partial to Wright strictly on appearance, but this guy has lots of TV screens, so it's a tossup.

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ClevelandBronco
03-28-2008, 11:00 PM
Maybe I'm giving mathematics too much credit. Any structure built with a flat roof using substandard materials is going to be a problem. (And Wright built plenty of those.) It doesn't really take a math genius to figure out the way water is going to work against you over time.

ClevelandBronco
03-28-2008, 11:01 PM
And don't even get me started on Pei. The guy has a chance to do one of the most important additions ever, and he decides to invent the pyramid.

Thanks for the revelation.

KCChiefsMan
03-28-2008, 11:02 PM
Marine Biologist? Why couldn't you say that I was an architect! You know that I've always wanted to pretend that I was an architect!

cdcox
03-28-2008, 11:04 PM
I love apple pei.

cdcox
03-28-2008, 11:06 PM
Take away Falling Water and most people have never heard of FLW.

Third Eye
03-28-2008, 11:06 PM
I love looking at it. I wouldn't want to deal with living in it. It's leaky and underengineered. Pretty much typical for Wright's stuff.

Don't get me wrong. I think he's an artist of the highest order. But he's the ultimate answer to the question, "why do I have to learn math? I'll never use it." He should have learned just a little more.

You're probably right. I've just always been enamored by it.

Third Eye
03-28-2008, 11:08 PM
Take away Falling Water and most people have never heard of FLW.

No way. I would think more people have heard of Wright than any other architect, other than possibly Wren.

ClevelandBronco
03-28-2008, 11:11 PM
Gehry is a showoff who is taking advantage of materials that weren't available earlier, while at the same time he swindles his way into the upper echelons of architecture. He'll be surpassed soon when enough people understand that walls that fly off organically into space really don't leave enough floor space for that all-important guest bathroom.

stlchiefs
03-28-2008, 11:20 PM
this thread is worthless without pics.

Seriously, show some pics and let the masses decide.

cdcox
03-28-2008, 11:31 PM
this thread is worthless without pics.

Seriously, show some pics and let the masses decide.

I'm too lazy. Google is your friend.

ClevelandBronco
03-28-2008, 11:34 PM
this thread is worthless without pics.

Seriously, show some pics and let the masses decide.

No. Study the history of architecture, do some research, then bring this thread up again in 2016.

(Cheater notes: We're talking about the greatest architects of three very different eras in much the same way we'd be talking about the greatest quarterbacks of three different eras. The problem: We're talking about Sammy Baugh vs. Johnny Unitas vs. (take your pick, because I'm just going to piss people off with my pick.)

Three wildly different eras, three very gifted and inherently flawed quarterbacks, just as we're talking about three very gifted and inherenty flawed architects.

When did this become an architectural forum that makes reference to football?

cdcox
03-28-2008, 11:38 PM
\ (take your pick, because I'm just going to piss people off with my pick.)



I know who you were going to mention and I tend to think of him more as a furniture salesman than as a QB.

ClevelandBronco
03-28-2008, 11:40 PM
I know who you were going to mention and I tend to think of him more as a furniture salesman than as a QB.

That's kind of the same way I think about Frank Lloyd Wright, so maybe we're on the same page.

cdcox
03-28-2008, 11:43 PM
Geez, what is this board coming to. You can't even bait a Donk fan any more.

Miles
03-28-2008, 11:49 PM
Take away Falling Water and most people have never heard of FLW.

I always figured the Guggenheim was his most known design.

ClevelandBronco
03-29-2008, 12:41 AM
IMO Wright did his most solid work in Illinois. (yeah, I'll allow that the ultimate "work of art" that capped his career was built in Pennsylvania. On the other hand, it wasn't a very well built house.)

Guggenheim was way out of his usual genre. I recall some Aztec-inspired monstrosity in California as well.

The guy was spotty.

Ari Chi3fs
03-29-2008, 12:49 AM
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/12/01/JTGEORGE_big.jpg

TinyEvel
03-29-2008, 12:51 AM
Richard Neutra FTW!

ClevelandBronco
03-29-2008, 12:55 AM
That's Wright? I doubt it. That's crap.

ClevelandBronco
03-29-2008, 12:57 AM
You'd be better off trying to sell me on a student of Mies.

ClevelandBronco
03-29-2008, 01:17 AM
I should probably cut Wright a break.

JBucc
03-29-2008, 07:32 AM
I'll go for the Pie guy. Any person who changes their first name to Instant Message must have made some weird shit.

Baby Lee
03-29-2008, 07:34 AM
Anyone know if the house on Numbers is a FLW work? It is definitely inspired by his prairie style.

Groves
03-29-2008, 07:35 AM
+1 on Art Vandelay.

Baby Lee
03-29-2008, 07:53 AM
http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/CAI/Images/NearNorthSide/ChicagoSpire-005.jpg

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/ShowBuilding/357.php

Gotta put Calatrava in the mix.

Sully
03-29-2008, 08:47 AM
No Mike Brady option?
http://la.curbed.com/2006-07-bradycad.jpg

Baby Lee
03-29-2008, 08:51 AM
No Mike Brady option?
http://la.curbed.com/2006-07-bradycad.jpg

The color scheme sucks, but open floor plan is still teh roxxors.

DaFace
03-29-2008, 08:53 AM
http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/CAI/Images/NearNorthSide/ChicagoSpire-005.jpg

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/ShowBuilding/357.php

Gotta put Calatrava in the mix.

That looks like a giant dildo.

Sully
03-29-2008, 08:54 AM
The color scheme sucks, but open floor plan is still teh roxxors.

I'm just enamored with a place where you can turn the attic into living space.

Baby Lee
03-29-2008, 09:02 AM
I'm just enamored with a place where you can turn the attic into living space.

I hate small rooms. It's probably because I don't have kids, but my ideal residence would be one of those rehabbed industrial buildings where the bedroom is sequestered by a curtain. Something where you can play basketball in the living room, and can watch the same huge TV from anywhere in the residence.

Braincase
03-29-2008, 09:53 AM
Fallng Water? Guggenheim? I probably would have said "The Empire State Building" was Wright's most famous design.

Skip Towne
03-29-2008, 10:31 AM
Wright's Price Tower in Bartlesville, OK is a weird building. If you like weird.

cdcox
03-29-2008, 10:51 AM
Fallng Water? Guggenheim? I probably would have said "The Empire State Building" was Wright's most famous design.


I would agree.






Except for the fact that Wright wasn't the designer.

Braincase
03-29-2008, 11:03 AM
I would agree.






Except for the fact that Wright wasn't the designer.

I stand corrected. So much of the interior furnishings of that building were of the style he popularized... I just kind of fell into a trap there, thinking that was one of his.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-29-2008, 12:00 PM
FLW was a pompous, form over function, tool. Most of his designs may be nice to look at but the details were often sjetchy, and the functionality and construction and engineering were usually substandard.

Fallinwater has had to be renovated several times to be kept in poresentable condition. It has been shored up numerous times as it was improperly designed and built and kept slidfing down the hillside.

He built his buildings for himself, not his client. He built the Guggenheim without a single striaght, flat wall. It's an ART MUSEUM. Have you tried hanging a painting on a curved wall?

His flashing and roofing details were notriously bad, leading to most of his designs being leaky sieves.

He built impracticality and discomfort into nealry everything.

He was a hack who is heralded by the knowledgeless masses and loathed by much of his peers and most design professionals.

TinyEvel
03-29-2008, 12:11 PM
http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/CAI/Images/NearNorthSide/ChicagoSpire-005.jpg

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/ShowBuilding/357.php

Gotta put Calatrava in the mix.

Is this the Zig-Zag Corporate offices?

MIAdragon
03-29-2008, 12:11 PM
:shrug:Cesar Pelli - The towers are VERY impressive IMO.

http://z.about.com/d/architecture/1/7/K/k/petronas.jpg

TinyEvel
03-29-2008, 12:15 PM
I'm a big fan of the designer of THIS house.

Third Eye
03-29-2008, 12:39 PM
Is this the Zig-Zag Corporate offices?

ROFL

xiandude
03-30-2008, 04:23 PM
Only 3 options? Wright was an ass; Gehry is a one-trick pony (design something out of plastic, melt it in a oven, and you have a passable Gehry design); Pei is one of the best. You should also include Michael Graves, Phillip Johnson, Louis Kahn, Cesar Pelli,Louis SullivanEero Saarinen, and a few others.

Also, Kansas City is the Mecca of sports architecture. HOK Sport, HNTB, Ellerbe Becket, 360, and a few other spin-off firms are all located there. It all started when Kivett Meyers Architects teamed with Deaton out of Denver to design the Truman Sports Complex. HNTB bought KV, and HOK and Ellerbe were spin-offs from HNTB. 360 spun off from HOK; and Crawford spun off from Ellerbe. There are a bunch of other smaller players in the market as well.

Rain Man
03-30-2008, 04:32 PM
You should post pictures of their masterworks and have people vote on the work itself, and then educate us about who the designers were.

Was that a cloaked enough way of saying that I don't know anything about famous architects?

I will say, though, that the most striking structure in America is the Lincoln Memorial. In terms of communicating exactly what should have been communicated, it couldn't have been done any better.

cdcox
03-30-2008, 07:34 PM
You should post pictures of their masterworks and have people vote on the work itself, and then educate us about who the designers were.

Was that a cloaked enough way of saying that I don't know anything about famous architects?

I will say, though, that the most striking structure in America is the Lincoln Memorial. In terms of communicating exactly what should have been communicated, it couldn't have been done any better.

That Lincon was too big to use his swimming pool so he just sat there and stared at it?

Rain Man
03-30-2008, 07:39 PM
That Lincon was too big to use his swimming pool so he just sat there and stared at it?

He was the lifeguard of our democracy.

cdcox
03-30-2008, 07:41 PM
Only 3 options? Wright was an ass; Gehry is a one-trick pony (design something out of plastic, melt it in a oven, and you have a passable Gehry design); Pei is one of the best. You should also include Michael Graves, Phillip Johnson, Louis Kahn, Cesar Pelli,Louis SullivanEero Saarinen, and a few others.

Also, Kansas City is the Mecca of sports architecture. HOK Sport, HNTB, Ellerbe Becket, 360, and a few other spin-off firms are all located there. It all started when Kivett Meyers Architects teamed with Deaton out of Denver to design the Truman Sports Complex. HNTB bought KV, and HOK and Ellerbe were spin-offs from HNTB. 360 spun off from HOK; and Crawford spun off from Ellerbe. There are a bunch of other smaller players in the market as well.

Basically I was thinking how great IM Pei was and all the iconic buildings he had done but how most people favored FLW. So I googled "greatest architects" or something like that and the Gehry guy kept coming up. Then I decided to make a poll to see if people would give reasons why they like FLW. I bet if he didn't have a middle name, peole wouldn't have thought he was so great. So most of the guys you mentioned I had never heard of. Maybe I wasn't the most qualified person to make the poll, but to my knowledge, no one in the 7.5 year history of ChiefsPlanet had made an architect poll before.