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milkman
03-29-2008, 10:13 AM
http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=10&c=741205&refid=4781

I missed the Herman ****ing Edwards claim that Rudy would be the starter at center if the season started today.

I have high hopes for Taylor at RT, though some think he'll be a B/U at LT.

Buehler445
03-29-2008, 10:25 AM
Not a bad read, but not optomistic.

Especially at RT and RG.

Huffman83
03-29-2008, 10:26 AM
I think it was kind of just granted since Welbourne signed w/ the Donks. Sure Waters can play center. But you would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's obvious Waters works at LG, let him stay and let the new blood come in. If that whole O-line can stay healthy, the Chiefs might have a shot at moving the ball more often.

I'd rather see Niswanger at C, Stallings or Taylor at RG and the Chiefs first rounder at RT. That way in next years draft/free agency the Chiefs can start rebuilding the left half of the O-line.

milkman
03-29-2008, 10:47 AM
I think it was kind of just granted since Welbourne signed w/ the Donks. Sure Waters can play center. But you would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's obvious Waters works at LG, let him stay and let the new blood come in. If that whole O-line can stay healthy, the Chiefs might have a shot at moving the ball more often.[

I didn't think it was granted, since the talk all offseason had been about moving Waters to center.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see that Herman ****ing Edwards and staff decided to give Niswanger an opportunity.

I'd rather see Niswanger at C, Stallings or Taylor at RG and the Chiefs first rounder at RT. That way in next years draft/free agency the Chiefs can start rebuilding the left half of the O-line.

I like Taylor at RT.
He's a big strong guy with some athletic ability, who played a little at LT last year and acquitted himself fairly well there.

milkman
03-29-2008, 10:51 AM
From the article on Damion McIntosh.

OT Damion McIntosh

He isn’t the long-term answer at left tackle, but McIntosh held down the fort reasonably well in his first season as a Chief. Although he’ll remain a starter in 2008, where exactly he’ll line up seems up in the air at the moment.

If the Chiefs can find a new left tackle in the draft, McIntosh is the obvious candidate to move to the opposite side of the line. But if the team can add two new tackles, or someone already on the roster steps up to fill the right tackle spot, McIntosh may be a consideration at guard.

It would be a gamble, however, considering he’s only played two games at guard in his career. He also didn’t appear to be a particularly strong run blocker last season.

Why in hell would you move him to either RT or guard in run oriented offense?

It makes absolutely no sense.

HemiEd
03-29-2008, 10:56 AM
I think it was kind of just granted since Welbourne signed w/ the Donks. Sure Waters can play center. But you would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's obvious Waters works at LG, let him stay and let the new blood come in. If that whole O-line can stay healthy, the Chiefs might have a shot at moving the ball more often.

I'd rather see Niswanger at C, Stallings or Taylor at RG and the Chiefs first rounder at RT. That way in next years draft/free agency the Chiefs can start rebuilding the left half of the O-line.

Welbourn signed with Denver? I was not aware of that, I knew about Wiegmann but not Welbourn.

OnTheWarpath58
03-29-2008, 10:57 AM
From the article on Damion McIntosh.



Why in hell would you move him to either RT or guard in run oriented offense?

It makes absolutely no sense.

No kidding. He's the worst run blocker of the group.

But people have to hang on to the hope that we draft a LT, and they need a place to move McIntosh, whether it makes sense or not.

Easy 6
03-29-2008, 11:24 AM
In my world, Macintosh is a backup LT & thats it.

I also think that maybe too much is being read into the "if the season started today" comment about Niswanger...he might have a leg up, but theres still an awful lot of time before then. I hope he grabs it by the throat.

Pepe Leffew???, he wont be stopped until he gets what he wants...

Tribal Warfare
03-29-2008, 12:03 PM
No kidding. He's the worst run blocker of the group.

But people have to hang on to the hope that we draft a LT, and they need a place to move McIntosh, whether it makes sense or not.


precisely

Direckshun
03-29-2008, 12:33 PM
I continue to believe that the Chiefs are not drafting their LTotF this Draft.

They're doing to draft G, G, C, and/or RT. But they're not going to worry about LT until next Draft.

Direckshun
03-29-2008, 12:38 PM
As of today:

LT - McIntosh
LG - Waters
C - Niswanger
RG - Taylor
RT - Svitek

...oh, god...

rtmike
03-29-2008, 12:39 PM
I think he meant Wiegmann. I checked the :donks: roster and only found Wigger, checked the NFL roster of folks and Welbourn hadn't signed with anyone yet?

BigRock
03-29-2008, 01:42 PM
No kidding. He's the worst run blocker of the group.

But people have to hang on to the hope that we draft a LT, and they need a place to move McIntosh, whether it makes sense or not.
It's the Chiefs talking about moving McIntosh, not "people hanging their hope on drafting a LT". Gretz said the same thing about him.

OnTheWarpath58
03-29-2008, 01:50 PM
It's the Chiefs talking about moving McIntosh, not "people hanging their hope on drafting a LT". Gretz said the same thing about him.

Sorry, BR, I enjoy your posts, but that's BS.

There are a TON of people who are advocating drafting a LT, no matter who, and moving McIntosh to RT, or even worse, guard.

Gretz is going to say that because he's Carl Peterson's puppet.

If we do happen to draft a LT, then McIntosh should be nothing more than his backup, IMO.

Playing him at RG or RT in a smashmouth offense would be like using a piece of gum to fill a crack in a dam.

Easy 6
03-29-2008, 01:57 PM
It's the Chiefs talking about moving McIntosh, not "people hanging their hope on drafting a LT". Gretz said the same thing about him.

Then i hope its just pre-draft, idle speculation on their part...i'll trust the coaches, but McIntosh never looked good in the run game...i thought so early on.

He's got fairly nimble feet, good size & length, which he uses pretty well in pass pro, keeping guys off him...but he just doesnt look good slamming into guys & sustaining drive blocks. He's a vet version of Chris Williams from this years draft IMO.

OnTheWarpath58
03-29-2008, 02:06 PM
Then i hope its just pre-draft, idle speculation on their part...i'll trust the coaches, but McIntosh never looked good in the run game...i thought so early on.

He's got fairly nimble feet, good size & length, which he uses pretty well in pass pro, keeping guys off him...but he just doesnt look good slamming into guys & sustaining drive blocks. He's a vet version of Chris Williams from this years draft IMO.

Chris Williams will be far and away a better player than Damion McIntosh DREAMS of being.

Their "finesse" style is the only thing they have in common.

Easy 6
03-29-2008, 02:25 PM
Chris Williams will be far and away a better player than Damion McIntosh DREAMS of being.

Their "finesse" style is the only thing they have in common.

I dont know the college players nearly as well as some of you guys, i'll take your word for it.

I also agree that "finesse style" just isnt a term that sounds right anywhere but LT, McIntosh is a very solid backup LT...but in my view, he would get COMPLETELY destroyed inside...vs. the Jamal Williams of the league.

RT doesnt look good for him either.

ChiefsCountry
03-29-2008, 02:32 PM
In the draft, there are 3 players I think that could step in be our left tackle - Jake Long, Chris Williams, and Sam Baker. Long could also be a right tackle, which I think is his natural position. Now you look at players like Jeff Otah or Carl Nicks they are more right tackles.

OnTheWarpath58
03-29-2008, 02:34 PM
In the draft, there are 3 players I think that could step in be our left tackle - Jake Long, Chris Williams, and Sam Baker. Long could also be a right tackle, which I think is his natural position. Now you look at players like Jeff Otah or Carl Nicks they are more right tackles.

Agree, 100%

BigRock
03-29-2008, 02:49 PM
Sorry, BR, I enjoy your posts, but that's BS.
It's not my BS. It's what Gretz said. What's being Carl's puppet have to do with Gretz saying "here's some things I've heard around Arrowhead; depending on what the Chiefs find in the draft, McIntosh may play guard".

I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm saying that's what he said.

KCChiefsMan
03-29-2008, 02:52 PM
As of today:

LT - McIntosh
LG - Waters
C - Niswanger
RG - Taylor
RT - Svitek

...oh, god...

that can't be good

OnTheWarpath58
03-29-2008, 03:04 PM
It's not my BS. It's what Gretz said. What's being Carl's puppet have to do with Gretz saying "here's some things I've heard around Arrowhead; depending on what the Chiefs find in the draft, McIntosh may play guard".

I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm saying that's what he said.


I'm not debating that he said it, I'm saying that people here were wanting to move Mac to TR or guard well before Gretz said a word about it.

Sounds like we crossed wires at some point. Sorry for the confusion.

DenverChief
03-29-2008, 03:29 PM
anyone else concerned we have a guy on the team with the last name ALABI?

JohninGpt
03-29-2008, 03:30 PM
anyone else concerned we have a guy on the team with the last name ALABI?

We need one of these, because otherwise this team has none.

Huffman83
03-29-2008, 07:19 PM
Welbourn signed with Denver? I was not aware of that, I knew about Wiegmann but not Welbourn.


I'm sorry I meant Wiegmann...Wrong W!

whoops!