View Full Version : Anyone see the Royals-Tigers Brawl?
08-11-2001, 06:00 AM
Pretty impressive. Mike Sweeney faces a huge fine & long suspension. I wonder what Jeff Weaver said that made Sweeney so mad?
08-11-2001, 07:10 AM
That was AWESOME!
Of all the guys on the Royals.........
My opinion of Sweeney just went WAY up.
Weaver must have called him a heathen.:D
08-11-2001, 09:09 AM
Props to Sweeney for busting that pencil neck in the chops...I'd like to know what he said...
08-11-2001, 09:10 AM
So, what happened?:confused:
08-11-2001, 09:19 AM
The clip I caught...
The home plate umpire approached the pitcher and said something. He then walked back to the plate. The pitcher yelled something and then Sweeney charged him. Threw his helmet at him, took him down, and started wailing on him. The benches cleared and everybody was fighting. Sweeney and someone else were kicking the **** out of the catcher. The managers were shoving and swinging at each other. It was one of the biggest, baddest baseball fights I've ever seen...
08-11-2001, 09:24 AM
The other guy helping Sweeney with the catcher was Paul Byrd.
I wish I could have seen this, it sounds like a heckuva fight. It is good to finally see some passion and fire from the team. And coming from that aspect of it, I am not all that surprised that it was Sweeney. I am with Shakes on this, my opinion of Sweeney just got even higher.
08-11-2001, 09:35 AM
Sounds like a new sport.....basebrawl. :D
08-11-2001, 09:37 AM
Sounds like we need a rematch in UFC's Octagon.
One Arrowhead Dave
08-11-2001, 10:49 AM
I did not see the ballgame but I saw the battle Royals on the highlights.
I know fighting is not always the answer but kudos to Mike Sweeney. The pitcher was clearly spouting off to Sweeney after he asked the ump to have the rosin bag relocated.
Mike Sweeney got his money's worth.
08-11-2001, 12:01 PM
My opinion of Sweeney went down, while still viewing Weaver a punk. He waited until the guy turned his back to him, then charged the mound. Of course, when you have apunk, piece of $hit manager like Tony Muser, it's bound to rub off on you're players sooner or later.
I would never have expected Sweeney to charge a man like that, especially with his back turned.
08-11-2001, 01:36 PM
Well at least it was a fight. Most of the time, they all gather around hold each other back, run their mouth, etc. This was a donnybrook. MI Fan, Weaver had clearly turned around in time to see Sweeney charging, he may not have had time to get em up, but was probably to surprised to see it in the first place. I wish the Royals showed more energy on the field playing baseball, than fighting myself, but hey we got the lead on Sportscenter. Besides Mike probably needs 7 to 10 days off.
08-11-2001, 02:26 PM
I disagree MICHIEF. Sweeney started running at him right when Weaver said that. The umpire slowed Sweeney up (a very little). By the time Sweeney threw his helmet Weaver was totally back peddling trying to get away. Sweeney beat his butt blue fair and square and it was cool and well deserved. Regardless... I bet Weaver thinks twice before messing with Sweeney again.
I also like the fact that afterwards Sweemey took full responsibility for what he did and said that he was "embarassed that it had to happen". He then said that whatever the punishment handed down from the league he would "honor it". Spoken like a "True Gentleman". That is called integrity and is something that is totally lacking in all of professional sports IMO.
I would also like to see that kind of "fire" in the Royals game. Maybe next year, doubt it though.:(
08-11-2001, 03:16 PM
oh hell yes dave stewart could take him. That stare of his... wow. very intimidating.
does anyone remember the fight where some guy charged nolan ryan and nolan got him in a headlock and just went to town?
08-11-2001, 03:18 PM
It was Robin Ventura that charged Ryan. Ryan whipped his A**!! That was a good fight too!
08-11-2001, 03:29 PM
i couldn't remember who it was, but i knew he got his *** whipped and handed to him like a little school boy
keg in kc
08-11-2001, 03:40 PM
Kind of odd to see it from Sweeney. He and Tony Richardson are themost openly "christian athletes" in Kansas City, and that's not something I expected from the softspoken choirboy.
Maybe he was possessed.
08-11-2001, 04:41 PM
According to the AP story Bob Dole found:
As Sweeney got ready to bat with two outs and a runner on second base, he asked the home plate unpire to have Weaver move the rosin bag which was near the pitching rubber. It is supposed to be behind the mound. The umpire complied. As the ump returned to the plate Weaver shouted at the Royals All-Star first basemen and according to Sweeney said, "You're a F&$%ing P*(^^#! F&$% you!".
Mike Sweeney didn't tell Weaver to turn his back. If Weaver wants to offer his opinion on Sweeney's manhood to Sweeney, he could have had the courtesy to await Sweeney's reply. I appreciate Sweeney's attempt to get Weaver's attention by winging a batting helmet at him. That was a much more effective maneuver than a discrete clearing of the throat, especially with over 20,000 fans roaring. In an era when interactions are all too brief, it was refreshing to watch Sweeney interact with Weaver for such an extended period of time. I'm sure Weaver appreciated the guidance, as did Fick.
08-11-2001, 05:23 PM
This reminds me of the scene in "Butch and Sundance" when Paul Newman says the guy: "Before we start fightin, lets get the rules straight." the man replies: "there aint no rules in a fight." and BANG!!! Newman kicks him right in the shin. If Weaver wants to fight, and calling another man a P*ssy indicates that he does, he better not turn his back.
08-11-2001, 05:35 PM
It was a good fight. The type of fight I expect to see from two frustrated teams going nowhere.
Roberto Hernandez said last night they still have to play each other 11 times. Should be interesting... and ugly...
08-11-2001, 06:08 PM
Star players on a contending team would have made Weaver pay with his bat. I seriously doubt this was the first, nor will it be the last time that Sweeney is insulted on the field. He's gonna have an awfully short career if this is how he reacts.
Like I said, it all comes back to managing. Teams like New York and Seattle strike back with their bats; teams like Kansas City and Tampa Bay charge the mound when they're being dominated.
08-11-2001, 06:10 PM
BTW, Dave Stewart, aside from being very large & intimidating, was also a master in martial arts. If there ever was a brawl, i'd want him on my side.
keg in kc
08-11-2001, 06:11 PM
Mi, how many brawls have the Royals had this season?
08-11-2001, 06:12 PM
You tell me, you're the Royals fan.
Tony Muser does have a reputation as a headhunter.
keg in kc
08-11-2001, 06:19 PM
The answer is "not many".
This is the only one I can think of (although I think I remember one vaguely from April or May), but I haven't exactly followed the team with baited breath. So, while I don't like Muser (I won't go to another game until he's fired), your argument that we fight instead of beating teams on the field with the bats is pretty weak. It's not like we're brawling nightly or something...
No offense, but if you don't follow the team, you have no business making comments like that. That reeks of packfan.
08-11-2001, 06:26 PM
When the only highlights of you're team is when they brawl, that tends to stereotype them. I think they brawled with the Angels earlier this yeear, but I may be mistaken. I also off the top of my head can't tell you how many double plays they grounded into either(i'm guessing you can't either). Heck, you follow them, and you don't even know.
As far as "packfanesque", i'm not the owner/punter of his All-Idiot Team because I strive to be like him.
keg in kc
08-11-2001, 06:36 PM
Whether or not you strive to be like him, you're doing a pretty solid imitation right now.
"When the only highlights of you're team is when they brawl, that tends to stereotype them " sounds an awful lot like "that's why you haven't won a playoff game in 8 years".
I've seen probably 100 different Royals highlights this season.
I remember 2 fights.
08-11-2001, 06:42 PM
Of course you've seen a hundred different Royals highlights: you live in KC. I said nothing about the Royals lack of posteseason success in recent years, with the state of baseball, I know it's not their fault.
In the end, we agree on 1 thing and disagree on another:
We agree that Muser is a sorry manager.
We disagree about Sweeney's actions(you view them as heroic, I view them as bush-league, chicken-$hit). Of course, Jeff Weaver is a punk, and it couldn't have happened to a better guy, but Sweeney should of at least waited until he was provoked, or better yet, beat him with his bat.
keg in kc
08-11-2001, 06:46 PM
Where exactly did I say I viewed Sweeney's actions as heroic? All I said is that the Royals aren't a bunch of brawlers.
All I said about Sweeney's attack is that I'm surprised by it. He's a vocal Christian athlete in KC, and fighting is the last thing I expected from him.
Other than that, I have no real judgement. Fighting is just something that happens in baseball from time to time...
08-11-2001, 06:51 PM
Others were voicing their support of Sweeney, you were, as usual, a voice of reason. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
However, i'm sticking by my view of Muser.
08-11-2001, 06:52 PM
Sounds like Paul Byrd believes that Jesus endorsed charging the mound... :)
Byrd asked, "What are the Christians doing out there in the forefront, that's what I want to know? Sweeney and I are Christians, but we play with passion. Jesus cleaned the temple with a whip."
08-11-2001, 06:54 PM
BTW, since it can't be stated enough, Tony Loser must be eliminated.
Tony Muser shouldn't be fired, he should be arrested
-Rany, from Rob and Rany on the Royals, robneyer.com
keg in kc
08-11-2001, 06:54 PM
I doubt many people want Muser gone any more than I do, mi...
I live 10 minutes from the "K" and I love going to games (and can get free tickets on occasion), no matter how the team is doing, but I refuse to go as long as he's the manager of the team. If that lasts into next season, so be it.
I don't understand how a first-time manager with 5 straight losing seasons still has a job. It defies all logic.
08-11-2001, 06:56 PM
The other day he officially went 100 games under .500 as a manager. Yet another great hire by Jerk Robinson...
08-11-2001, 11:41 PM
BTW, Mike Sweeny just ripped into the Royals Clubhouse. Wanna bet two of the guys he was referring to were Quinn and Beltran? And I'm sure Tony Loser slumped over the rail all game long like he doesn't give a damn doesn't likght a fire under anyone's arse. Loser must be fired...
Sweeney targets teammates: We lack winners and consistent intensity
By BOB DUTTON - The Kansas City Star
Date: 08/11/01 22:15
First baseman Mike Sweeney is also ready to take on anyone in his own clubhouse.
A season's worth of frustrations boiled over Friday for Sweeney, who incited a benches-clearing brawl against the Tigers by charging the mound to confront pitcher Jeff Weaver.
But Sweeney also has plenty of festering concerns regarding his own teammates. He contends the Royals are burdened by a roster overloaded with players who lack the consistent intensity necessary to produce a winning team.
"Right now," Sweeney said, "I don't think the majority of us in this clubhouse are winners. I don't think the majority of the guys in here have the fire to play every single day.
"It's something that comes from your heart. Some guys show up to receive a paycheck every two weeks. Some guys are here just to be here, to coast through the season."
Sweeney declined to identify those individuals who fail to meet his standard but repeatedly suggested they make up more than half of the team's 25-man roster.
"There are some guys who come here with a fire in their hearts to win games every day," he said, "but the majority of our team isn't that way."
Sweeney's stinging comments, made primarily before Friday's incident, offer the strongest internal indictment to date of a dreadfully disappointing team. The Royals entered Saturday's game against the Tigers at 46-70 and in last place in the American League Central.
It will be interesting to see whether Sweeney's conduct in initiating Friday's fracas or his public comments regarding the Royals' lack of consistent intensity -- both highly uncharacteristic -- will have any long-term effect in the clubhouse.
This much is clear: His views are not unique among the Royals.
"The one thing this team has to learn is `no excuses,' " said reliever Roberto Hernandez, a 10-year veteran and member of playoff teams in Chicago with the White Sox and San Francisco.
"If we lose tonight, it's because I didn't do my job. If we win today, then the team won today."
General manager Allard Baird and manager Tony Muser acknowledge the season's closing weeks will be a time of intensive evaluations as the club looks to position itself for the 2002 season.
"This next month and a half," Baird said, "we need to make some major strides."
Third baseman Joe Randa, like many, characterizes the Royals as a club with a youthful roster in which too many players are still adjusting to the daily grind of the major leagues.
"There is a good nucleus in here," Randa said. "But there is some growing up that needs to occur. It's just a matter of maturing and becoming a team. I think we're making strides, but we've still got a ways to go."
Nonetheless, several players contend the club continues to hold too many meetings to address its wavering intensity. The latest caucus was last Thursday after three consecutive home losses to equally downtrodden Baltimore.
"I knew we'd win tonight," one player said after the 6-4 victory that followed the meeting. "It always happens. We have a meeting, and everyone gets fired up.
"Let's see what happens three of four days from now. In the past, it never lasted very long."
Several players said Thursday's meeting was typical: Muser, in frank terms, described the need to give a better effort.
"I don't know what could be said anymore," Hernandez said. "It comes down to pride. How can we put it together three straight games in Cleveland and play a pretty good fourth one, then play like horse(feathers) in Detroit?"
Hernandez referred to a streak of three consecutive victories starting June 29 in Cleveland, when the Royals scored 29 runs. They followed that with a streak of nine straight losses, including three in Detroit.
Sweeney blames a blase attitude.
"It's the way people go about their business," he said. "I'm sure you can see it. You see a ball in the gap and you see guys floating after it instead of busting their tails like Johnny (Damon) and Jermaine (Dye) did.
"You see a pitcher who just seems to go through the motions out there. I'm sure you can see it."
Sweeney's criticisms carry weight for several reasons. The departure of Damon and Dye leaves him as the team's undisputed marquee player. He is a two-time All-Star who leads the club in batting, runs, doubles, homers and RBIs.
He also had played every game despite an ailing right Achilles' tendon that surfaced in mid-May before sitting out Saturday because of a hand injury suffered in Friday's melee.
Further, Sweeney is genuinely liked by teammates for his upbeat, positive nature. Even so, he stressed the need for change, primarily in attitude, over the season's closing weeks to position the club for next season.
"I think there has to be a little house-cleaning," Sweeney said. "But more than that, we have to continue to build off the winners we do have in this clubhouse.
"If we do that, it can be contagious. It could spread like wildfire to the young guys who are concerned about just staying in the big leagues and collecting a paycheck every two weeks."
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