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Bootlegged
04-03-2008, 09:41 AM
there is a perfect marriage.

http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/Hanoi%20Jane.jpg

by Andrew Malcolm

Jane Fonda, the actress and ardent anti-Vietnam war advocate who visited North Vietnam during those hostilities, has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president.


There were no formal ceremonies for the endorsement. In fact, the Obama campaign may just be learning about the actress's approval now as word spreads like lit gunpowder via the Internet.

Fonda was eating out last night and exited the restaurant, ignoring as celebrities often do the assembled press contingent.

But a video camera was rolling as she approached the street and someone, perhaps just trying to get her to turn around for a picture, shouted out at her back, "Who are you going to vote for?"

There was a moment of silence. Then, the actress did turn around toward the cameras, paused and with a smile said simply, "Obama!" Then she got into a car and drove away.

(Photo of Jane Fonda in Vietnam war protest days by Nihon Denpa News / Associated Press)


Many people question the value of celebrity endorsements, whether they actually.attract anything other than simply more publicity, not to mention votes. The imprimatur of Fonda, who's been an antiwar activist for decades, certainly supports Obama's anti-war credentials.

Less examined is whether some celebrity endorsements may actually cost a candidate votes. This could be one of those less desirable votes for part of the country, especially if Obama was hoping to attract some crossover Republicans if he's the Democratic candidate come fall.

Obama, who was recently named the most liberal member of the Senate by the nonpartisan National Journal, has sought to portray himself as the earliest anti-Iraq war opponent and tagged his sole remaining opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton, with voting to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

The problem for those of a certain generation that endured the Vietnam war and the sometimes violent domestic conflict that accompanied it at home is that during Fonda's controversial wartime visit to North Vietnam, she was photographed at a Communist anti-aircraft gun battery.

According to the photo caption distributed at the time, she joined North Vietnamese soldiers there in singing an anti-war song while preparing to shoot at attacking Americans.

This earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane (indeed, that's the TMZ headline this afternoon) and an enduring image as a polarizing figure, especially regarding patriotism.

As it happens, the Republican presidential candidate this time is Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was one of those American fliers shot down over that same city by those same anti-aircraft forces, tortured and spent nearly six years in a POW cell while Fonda returned home.

Andrew Malcolm writes for Top of the Ticket, the L.A. Times political blog.

Chief Faithful
04-03-2008, 10:06 AM
there is a perfect marriage.

http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/Hanoi%20Jane.jpg

by Andrew Malcolm

Jane Fonda, the actress and ardent anti-Vietnam war advocate who visited North Vietnam during those hostilities, has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president.


There were no formal ceremonies for the endorsement. In fact, the Obama campaign may just be learning about the actress's approval now as word spreads like lit gunpowder via the Internet.

Fonda was eating out last night and exited the restaurant, ignoring as celebrities often do the assembled press contingent.

But a video camera was rolling as she approached the street and someone, perhaps just trying to get her to turn around for a picture, shouted out at her back, "Who are you going to vote for?"

There was a moment of silence. Then, the actress did turn around toward the cameras, paused and with a smile said simply, "Obama!" Then she got into a car and drove away.

(Photo of Jane Fonda in Vietnam war protest days by Nihon Denpa News / Associated Press)


Many people question the value of celebrity endorsements, whether they actually.attract anything other than simply more publicity, not to mention votes. The imprimatur of Fonda, who's been an antiwar activist for decades, certainly supports Obama's anti-war credentials.

Less examined is whether some celebrity endorsements may actually cost a candidate votes. This could be one of those less desirable votes for part of the country, especially if Obama was hoping to attract some crossover Republicans if he's the Democratic candidate come fall.

Obama, who was recently named the most liberal member of the Senate by the nonpartisan National Journal, has sought to portray himself as the earliest anti-Iraq war opponent and tagged his sole remaining opponent, Sen. Hillary Clinton, with voting to authorize the use of force in Iraq.

The problem for those of a certain generation that endured the Vietnam war and the sometimes violent domestic conflict that accompanied it at home is that during Fonda's controversial wartime visit to North Vietnam, she was photographed at a Communist anti-aircraft gun battery.

According to the photo caption distributed at the time, she joined North Vietnamese soldiers there in singing an anti-war song while preparing to shoot at attacking Americans.

This earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane (indeed, that's the TMZ headline this afternoon) and an enduring image as a polarizing figure, especially regarding patriotism.

As it happens, the Republican presidential candidate this time is Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was one of those American fliers shot down over that same city by those same anti-aircraft forces, tortured and spent nearly six years in a POW cell while Fonda returned home.

Andrew Malcolm writes for Top of the Ticket, the L.A. Times political blog.

I guess that solidifies the constiuency Obama already had. This may do more harm than good for Obama as Hanoi Jane is so polarizing.

alanm
04-03-2008, 10:08 AM
I guess that pretty much confirms it. He's a socialist/communist. :):hmmm:

Bowser
04-03-2008, 10:10 AM
I guess that solidifies the constiuency Obama already had. This may do more harm than good for Obama as Hanoi Jane is so polarizing.

Interesting. I didn't realize anybody really gave a shit about Jane Fonda anymore.

Chief Faithful
04-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Interesting. I didn't realize anybody really gave a shit about Jane Fonda anymore.

Don't underestimate the extreme hatred many Americans hold in their hearts for that woman. As many people that hate John Kerry for his comments to Congress during the war even more people hate Hanoi Jane to a greater degree.

BucEyedPea
04-03-2008, 10:36 AM
Don't underestimate the extreme hatred many right-wing Americans hold in their hearts for that woman. As many people that hate John Kerry for his comments to Congress during the war even more people hate Hanoi Jane to a greater degree.
FYP

StcChief
04-03-2008, 10:50 AM
Interesting. I didn't realize anybody really gave a shit about Jane Fonda anymore. as any Vietnam vet or anyone old enough to remember her traitor act...... :harumph::harumph:

HolmeZz
04-03-2008, 10:59 AM
Don't underestimate the extreme hatred many Americans hold in their hearts for that woman.

None of those r-tards were going to be voting for Obama.

People should value their vote a hell of a lot more than to have it swayed by what Jane friggin' Fonda thinks.

Bowser
04-03-2008, 11:02 AM
My post was pretty much TIC. On a serious note, why would anyone let attention whoring has been Hollywooders get under their skin? I couldn't give a shit less what Jane or anyone of her ilk thinks, and they certainly won't sway my vote. I guess I'm in the minority when I think it's best to make up my own mind on these candidates, rather than decide what's best based on what nutjob is supporting at that time.

memyselfI
04-03-2008, 11:38 AM
ROFL :thumb:

Excellent news. I can hardly wait for the birds of a feather commercial the RW will run.


"Rashid Khalidi, Pastor Wright, William Ayers, Jane Fonda...

what do they all have in common? They've supported or worked with Barack Obama. With friends like these does America need enemies"

Deberg_1990
04-03-2008, 11:46 AM
Interesting. I didn't realize anybody really gave a shit about Jane Fonda anymore.

Agreed. She hasnt done anything relevant in 25+ years, unless you count boning Ted Turner.

banyon
04-03-2008, 11:54 AM
This is like me waiting on Mark Foley's endorsement of McCain to finally convince me not to vote for him.

Bootlegged
04-03-2008, 11:57 AM
She did say C unt on national TV...

Dave Lane
04-03-2008, 12:36 PM
She did say C unt on national TV...

And?

Dave

Bootlegged
04-03-2008, 12:48 PM
And?

Dave

AND? ?

StcChief
04-03-2008, 12:49 PM
This is like me waiting on Mark Foley's endorsement of McCain to finally convince me not to vote for him.
yet another election of voters cancelling each other in America :rolleyes:

Adept Havelock
04-03-2008, 01:10 PM
yet another election of voters cancelling each other in America :rolleyes:

Sure, that behavior hasn't been going on since Federalists vs. Anti-Federalists. :rolleyes:

Duck Dog
04-03-2008, 01:20 PM
That's some real down home wholesome American company you Obama supporters keep. This will make a great swiftboat commercial.

bowener
04-03-2008, 01:47 PM
Am I the only one who doesnt give a shit who says they support Candidate [A]? How ****ing ignorant of a human can you be to allow yourself to be swayed by what somebody else, who is a non issue in the matter, does? It is pathetic. So, my understanding now is that Obama is terrible because Fonda likes him? Who gives a flying **** and why should we care? If you take endorsements so seriously, do you only buy a Chevy truck because they endorse the Chiefs? Do you only buy certain oils for your vehicle because [generic stockcar racer B] says you should use it? If this is how peoples reasoning really works, then this country, and the world, are forever stuck in a big pile of shit. Perhaps people should stop pretending to know what the **** is going on and actually put an effort forward when it comes to politics. If you dont want Hussein Obama in office, or she-male Clinton, or floppy McCain, or the penacle of ineptness GW, or any other putrid politician in office then actually pay attention to who you vote for, use your brain and actually read the policies that the governement is trying to vote on, get involved locally, just ****ing do something other than sit around and ****ing bitch about the 'other' party that you do not support no matter what due to name. Its pretty sad that people see the R's and D's as opposing teams in America rather than two different players on the same team. But you get what you ask for, or in this case, you get what you deserve. It just blows idiot-America is swayed by idiot actors/actresses into believing one way or the other. If you dont vote for somebody because of an actor, or if you do vote for somebody becuase of an actor, you are basically worthless as a voting American. I take voting seriously if you hadnt noticed.

mlyonsd
04-03-2008, 01:55 PM
Am I the only one who doesnt give a shit who says they support Candidate [A]? How ****ing ignorant of a human can you be to allow yourself to be swayed by what somebody else, who is a non issue in the matter, does? It is pathetic. So, my understanding now is that Obama is terrible because Fonda likes him? Who gives a flying **** and why should we care? If you take endorsements so seriously, do you only buy a Chevy truck because they endorse the Chiefs? Do you only buy certain oils for your vehicle because [generic stockcar racer B] says you should use it? If this is how peoples reasoning really works, then this country, and the world, are forever stuck in a big pile of shit. Perhaps people should stop pretending to know what the **** is going on and actually put an effort forward when it comes to politics. If you dont want Hussein Obama in office, or she-male Clinton, or floppy McCain, or the penacle of ineptness GW, or any other putrid politician in office then actually pay attention to who you vote for, use your brain and actually read the policies that the governement is trying to vote on, get involved locally, just ****ing do something other than sit around and ****ing bitch about the 'other' party that you do not support no matter what due to name. Its pretty sad that people see the R's and D's as opposing teams in America rather than two different players on the same team. But you get what you ask for, or in this case, you get what you deserve. It just blows idiot-America is swayed by idiot actors/actresses into believing one way or the other. If you dont vote for somebody because of an actor, or if you do vote for somebody becuase of an actor, you are basically worthless as a voting American. I take voting seriously if you hadnt noticed.

For someone that doesn't give a chit that sure was a helluva rant. :clap:

StcChief
04-03-2008, 01:57 PM
Am I the only one who doesnt give a shit who says they support Candidate [A]? How ****ing ignorant of a human can you be to allow yourself to be swayed by what somebody else, who is a non issue in the matter, does? It is pathetic. So, my understanding now is that Obama is terrible because Fonda likes him? Who gives a flying **** and why should we care? If you take endorsements so seriously, do you only buy a Chevy truck because they endorse the Chiefs? Do you only buy certain oils for your vehicle because [generic stockcar racer B] says you should use it? If this is how peoples reasoning really works, then this country, and the world, are forever stuck in a big pile of shit. Perhaps people should stop pretending to know what the **** is going on and actually put an effort forward when it comes to politics. If you dont want Hussein Obama in office, or she-male Clinton, or floppy McCain, or the penacle of ineptness GW, or any other putrid politician in office then actually pay attention to who you vote for, use your brain and actually read the policies that the governement is trying to vote on, get involved locally, just ****ing do something other than sit around and ****ing bitch about the 'other' party that you do not support no matter what due to name. Its pretty sad that people see the R's and D's as opposing teams in America rather than two different players on the same team. But you get what you ask for, or in this case, you get what you deserve. It just blows idiot-America is swayed by idiot actors/actresses into believing one way or the other. If you dont vote for somebody because of an actor, or if you do vote for somebody becuase of an actor, you are basically worthless as a voting American. I take voting seriously if you hadnt noticed.

Ron Paul is your man then, exercise your vote

bowener
04-03-2008, 01:59 PM
Ron Paul is your man then, exercise your vote

Thanks? Is that an endorsement?

Duck Dog
04-03-2008, 04:32 PM
Am I the only one who doesnt give a shit who says they support Candidate [A]?

Not hardly. But your missing the point. You see, in the world of shit slinging politics it's pretty good ammo to know what kind of jack asses support which candidate. Not because people will be swayed to vote in that direction but so people can make fun of other people. :D

bowener
04-03-2008, 07:40 PM
Not hardly. But your missing the point. You see, in the world of shit slinging politics it's pretty good ammo to know what kind of jack asses support which candidate. Not because people will be swayed to vote in that direction but so people can make fun of other people. :D

:hmmm: Still not diggin it, but it makes me like you better as a person.

bowener
04-03-2008, 07:41 PM
For someone that doesn't give a chit that sure was a helluva rant. :clap:

Didnt see your post earlier, thanks!

noa
04-03-2008, 08:22 PM
Does that even count as an endorsement really? The paparazzi stalked her, its not as if she called attention to herself. She tried to ignore them. And then when someone asked who she was voting for, she said Obama.
I thought the idea of an endorsement is to get people's attention and say "I'm voting for this guy and so should you. Here's why." You know, like the Charlie Crist endorsement of McCain or Bill Richardson for Obama.

Mr. Kotter
04-03-2008, 08:49 PM
Obama.....could be Fooked as a result of this.....imagine the October campaign ads. :shake:

I sure hope not; but damn....:cuss:

:banghead:

Logical
04-03-2008, 08:57 PM
Obama.....could be Fooked as a result of this.....imagine the October campaign ads. :shake:

I sure hope not; but damn....:cuss:

:banghead:Ads wouldn't work, it wasn't really an endorsement, it was an ambush and she was asked who she would vote for and casually said Obama. There is film but it is clearly not an endorsement nor intended as one. More a you annoying puke, Obama, now get out of my face.

Mr. Kotter
04-03-2008, 10:25 PM
Ads wouldn't work, it wasn't really an endorsement, it was an ambush and she was asked who she would vote for and casually said Obama. There is film but it is clearly not an endorsement nor intended as one. More a you annoying puke, Obama, now get out of my face.


Wrong. Many "independent" and "centrist" folks on both SIDES of the isle....will have a knee-jerk response to Hanoi Jane "endorsing" anyone...and, in this case, it will not help Barack.

Surely, Pastor Wright's statements, will be much more of a problem; however, again....this will not "help" him. :banghead:

Logical
04-03-2008, 10:40 PM
Wrong. Many "independent" and "centrist" folks on both SIDES of the isle....will have a knee-jerk response to Hanoi Jane "endorsing" anyone...and, in this case, it will not help Barack.

Surely, Pastor Wright's statements, will be much more of a problem; however, again....this will not "help" him. :banghead:

Dude, she did not endorse him, did you read what actually happened?

Mr. Kotter
04-03-2008, 10:58 PM
Dude, she did not endorse him, did you read what actually happened?

I read it. Like it or not....it will "play" as an endorsement. That is ALL that matters. Too bad for our "side."

:cuss:

Logical
04-03-2008, 11:25 PM
I read it. Like it or not....it will "play" as an endorsement. That is ALL that matters. Too bad for our "side."

:cuss:
Just to be clear I have not chosen a side yet. I am reading Obama's most recent book and must say I am favorably impressed so far. It is close between him and McCain right now but I have eliminated Hillary.

Mr. Kotter
04-03-2008, 11:29 PM
Just to be clear I have not chosen a side yet. I am reading Obama's most recent book and must say I am favorably impressed so far. It is close between him and McCain right now but I have eliminated Hillary.

FTR, I'm still "open" as well....leaning Obama, but McCain can still "win" my vote. Hillary, was never an option...IMHO.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-04-2008, 01:05 AM
ROFL @ people thinking this "endorsement" matters in the least.

Jesus Christ, people, is it 1968??

Here, I found something for you to grasp at:

*note, I chose the homophone because I was seriously worried that some of you might think it was grass, after all, you think this "endorsement makes a difference."

http://www.markaelrod.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/straws.jpg

HonestChieffan
04-04-2008, 06:54 AM
Should not be a surprise. Its perfect.

Direckshun
04-04-2008, 07:38 AM
Are we still upset by Hanoi Jane?

Okay...

Bowser
04-04-2008, 10:45 AM
Are we still upset by Hanoi Jane?

Okay...


No. It's more a reflection of Bootlegged's slow realization that his party won't control the White House in 2009, and his frantic grasping of anything "negative" to attach to what he thinks is the frontrunner of the opposing party. See the pics in his sig as proof, if this "damning" story isn't enough.

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DaneMcCloud
04-05-2008, 01:16 AM
Are we still upset by Hanoi Jane?

Okay...

Well, there was that guy in KC that spit in her face two years ago during a book signing...

go bowe
04-05-2008, 09:21 PM
Just to be clear I have not chosen a side yet. I am reading Obama's most recent book and must say I am favorably impressed so far. It is close between him and McCain right now but I have eliminated Hillary.and mccain is old, really old...

he's 15 years older than me...

that's really, really old...