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SLAG
04-12-2008, 01:42 PM
Is bush a Closet Catholic?

Found this in the Washington Post.

His Brother is Catholic I think, and his good buddy Tony Blair Crossed the tiber as well..



From the Washington Post : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103327_pf.html

A Catholic Wind in the White House
By Daniel Burke
Sunday, April 13, 2008; B02

Shortly after Pope Benedict XVI (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Pope+Benedict+XVI?tid=informline)'s election in 2005, President Bush (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/George+W.+Bush?tid=informline) met with a small circle of advisers in the Oval Office (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/The+White+House?tid=informline). As some mentioned their own religious backgrounds, the president remarked that he had read one of the new pontiff's books about faith and culture in Western Europe (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Western+Europe?tid=informline).
Save for one other soul, Bush was the only non-Catholic in the room. But his interest in the pope's writings was no surprise to those around him. As the White House prepares to welcome Benedict on Tuesday, many in Bush's inner circle expect the pontiff to find a kindred spirit in the president. Because if Bill Clinton (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Bill+Clinton?tid=informline) can be called America's first black president, some say, then George W. Bush could well be the nation's first Catholic president.
This isn't as strange a notion as it sounds. Yes, there was John F. Kennedy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/John+F.+Kennedy?tid=informline). But where Kennedy sought to divorce his religion from his office, Bush has welcomed Roman Catholic doctrine and teachings into the White House and based many important domestic policy decisions on them.
"I don't think there's any question about it," says Rick Santorum (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Rick+Santorum?tid=informline), former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Pennsylvania?tid=informline) and a devout Catholic, who was the first to give Bush the "Catholic president" label. "He's certainly much more Catholic than Kennedy."
Bush attends an Episcopal church in Washington and belongs to a Methodist church in Texas (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Texas?tid=informline), and his political base is solidly evangelical. Yet this Protestant president has surrounded himself with Roman Catholic intellectuals, speechwriters, professors, priests, bishops and politicians. These Catholics -- and thus Catholic social teaching -- have for the past eight years been shaping Bush's speeches, policies and legacy to a degree perhaps unprecedented in U.S. history.
"I used to say that there are more Catholics on President Bush's speechwriting team than on any Notre Dame starting lineup in the past half-century," said former Bush scribe -- and Catholic -- William McGurn.
Bush has also placed Catholics in prominent roles in the federal government and relied on Catholic tradition to make a public case for everything from his faith-based initiative to antiabortion legislation. He has wedded Catholic intellectualism with evangelical political savvy to forge a powerful electoral coalition.
"There is an awareness in the White House that the rich Catholic intellectual tradition is a resource for making the links between Christian faith, religiously grounded moral judgments and public policy," says Richard John Neuhaus, a Catholic priest and editor of the journal First Things who has tutored Bush in the church's social doctrines for nearly a decade.
In the late 1950s, Kennedy's Catholicism was a political albatross, and he labored to distance himself from his church. Accepting the Democratic nomination in 1960, he declared his religion "not relevant."
Bush and his administration, by contrast, have had no such qualms about their Catholic connections. At times, they've even seemed to brandish them for political purposes. Even before he got to the White House, Bush and his political guru Karl Rove (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Karl+Rove?tid=informline) invited Catholic intellectuals to Texas to instruct the candidate on the church's social teachings. In January 2001, Bush's first public outing as president in the nation's capital was a dinner with Washington's then-archbishop, Theodore McCarrick. A few months later, Rove (an Episcopalian) asked former White House Catholic adviser Deal Hudson to find a priest to bless his West Wing office.
"There was a very self-conscious awareness that religious conservatives had brought Bush into the White House and that [the administration] wanted to do what they had been mandated to do," says Hudson.
To conservative Catholics, that meant holding the line on same-sex marriage, euthanasia and embryonic stem cell research, and working to limit abortion in the United States and abroad while nominating judges who would eventually outlaw it. To make the case, Bush has often borrowed Pope John Paul II (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Pope+John+Paul+II?tid=informline)'s mantra of promoting a "culture of life." Many Catholics close to him believe that the approximately 300 judges he has seated on the federal bench -- most notably Catholics John Roberts (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/John+Roberts+%28Chief+Justice%29?tid=informline) and Samuel Alito (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Samuel+Alito?tid=informline) on the Supreme Court -- may yet be his greatest legacy.
Bush also used Catholic doctrine and rhetoric to push his faith-based initiative, a movement to open federal funding to grass-roots religious groups that provide social services to their communities. Much of that initiative is based on the Catholic principle of "subsidiarity" -- the idea that local people are in the best position to solve local problems. "The president probably knows absolutely nothing about the Catholic catechism, but he's very familiar with the principle of subsidiarity," said H. James Towey, former director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives who is now the president of a Catholic college in southwestern Pennsylvania. "It's the sense that the government is not the savior and that problems like poverty have spiritual roots."
Nonetheless, Bush is not without his Catholic critics. Some contend that his faith-based rhetoric is just small-government conservatism dressed up in religious vestments, and that his economic policies, including tax cuts for the rich, have created a wealth gap that clearly upends the Catholic principle of solidarity with the poor.
John Carr, a top public policy director for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/United+States+Conference+of+Catholic+Bishops?tid=informline), calls the Bush administration's legacy a "tale of two policies."
"The best of the Bush administration can be seen in their work in development assistance on HIV/AIDS in Africa (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Africa?tid=informline)," says Carr. "In domestic policy, the conservatism trumps the compassion."
And other prominent Catholics charge the president with disregarding Rome (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Rome?tid=informline)'s teachings on the Iraq (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Iraq?tid=informline) war and torture. But even when he has taken actions that the Vatican (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Vatican?tid=informline) opposes, such as invading Iraq, Bush has shown deference to church teachings. Before he sent U.S. troops into Baghdad (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Baghdad?tid=informline) to topple Saddam Hussein (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Saddam+Hussein?tid=informline), he met with Catholic "theocons" to discuss just-war theory. White House adviser Leonard Leo, who heads Catholic outreach for the Republican National Committee (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Republican+National+Committee?tid=informline), says that Bush "has engaged in dialogue with Catholics and shared perspectives with Catholics in a way I think is fairly unique in American politics."
Moreover, people close to Bush say that he has professed a not-so-secret admiration for the church's discipline and is personally attracted to the breadth and unity of its teachings. A New York (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/New+York?tid=informline) priest who has befriended the president said that Bush respects the way Catholicism starts at the foundation -- with the notion that the papacy is willed by God and that the pope is Peter's successor. "I think what fascinates him about Catholicism is its historical plausibility," says this priest. "He does appreciate the systematic theology of the church, its intellectual cogency and stability." The priest also says that Bush "is not unaware of how evangelicalism -- by comparison with Catholicism -- may seem more limited both theologically and historically."
Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Michael+Gerson?tid=informline), another evangelical with an affinity for Catholic teaching, says that the key to understanding Bush's domestic policy is to view it through the lens of Rome. Others go a step further.
Paul Weyrich, an architect of the religious right, detects in Bush shades of former British prime minister Tony Blair (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Tony+Blair?tid=informline), who converted to Catholicism last year. "I think he is a secret believer," Weyrich says of Bush. Similarly, John DiIulio, Bush's first director of faith-based initiatives, has called the president a "closet Catholic." And he was only half-kidding.

Bowser
04-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Well, he did proclaim a "crusade", didn't he? I think that makes him a Catholic de fecto, if nothing else.



;)

HolmeZz
04-12-2008, 03:11 PM
Aren't all catholics in the closet?

hi-yoooooooooooooo

Bowser
04-12-2008, 03:13 PM
Aren't all catholics in the closet?

hi-yoooooooooooooo

Dane vs. Brock yesterday

Slag vs. HolmeZz today

HolmeZz
04-12-2008, 03:21 PM
I have SLAG on ignore so not much of a fight would ensue. Not that I was even serious.

irishjayhawk
04-12-2008, 03:22 PM
I have SLAG on ignore so not much of a fight would ensue. Not that I was even serious.

Probably a good call but I don't see how you can actually put people on ignore. I tried and yet always wanted to see what they had to say. :doh!:

BucEyedPea
04-12-2008, 03:31 PM
If true. I think it could be a good sign. That is "could" be. Both Popes were against the Iraq war. Most RC's were too.

Logical
04-12-2008, 04:40 PM
If true. I think it could be a good sign. That is "could" be. Both Popes were against the Iraq war. Most RC's were too.:doh!:
ROFL

BucEyedPea
04-12-2008, 06:07 PM
:doh!:
ROFL

What?

You do know that both Popes opposed going into Iraq?
I'd hope it could have a moderating influence on Bush instead of more war.
Some say he's going to attack Iran before he leaves office.
But I said "could" be....so it was conditional.

Taco John
04-13-2008, 12:26 AM
It's amusing to read this terrible article where Santorum tries to say Bush is more Catholic than Kennedy -- and then to learn that the Pope has refused to sit down and have dinner with him. It kind of makes the idea behind this whole thread pointless.


Pope won't break bread with Bush
Nick Juliano
Published: Friday April 11, 2008

Pontiff not attending dinner in his honor, White House says
The White House has scheduled a dinner next week in honor of Pope Benedict XVI's first visit to the United States, but one guest will be conspicuously absent from the proceedings: the pope himself.

There are no competing events listed on the pope's schedule, and the White House was unable to explain Benedict's absence from the dinner.

The pontiff will be greeted by the president and first lady upon his arrival to the US Tuesday and participate in a Rose Garden appearance and Oval Office meeting with President Bush the next day. A dinner scheduled for later Wednesday night didn't make it onto the Benedict's schedule, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Friday.

From Friday's press briefing:

Q Just to clarify, for the pope's visit to the White House, you said that now there's a dinner in the East Room in honor of the pope?
MR. STANZEL: Yes.
Q Will the pope actually be attending that dinner?
MR. STANZEL: I don't believe so, no.
Q Okay. Thank you.
[...]
Q I'm sorry. The pope doesn't attend a dinner in his honor?
MR. STANZEL: No.
Q (Off mike.)
MR. STANZEL: He doesn't come into the building.
Q Well, then it's not a dinner for the pope, is it?
MR. STANZEL: It's in honor of his visit. There will be leaders from the Catholic community from all over the country who are in town for that visit.
Q Is there a reason the pope doesn't attend the dinner?
MR. STANZEL: I don't know. I don't have the full extent of his schedule.

Benedict's schedule does not indicate any events that would conflict with his ability to attend the 7:30 p.m. dinner that Wednesday. He is just scheduled to return to the Vatican embassy in Washington at the same time after a meeting with US bishops at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington.

It's unclear why the Pope won't be attending the dinner in his honor, but he is expected to touch on issues upon which he and President Bush disagree during the visit, especially the Iraq war.

During his visit to the United Nations a few days later, the Pope will address "the false notion that might makes right," according to a Vatican representative.

Some experts also predict the Pope would criticize the "culture of fear" in the United States. The Rev. David Hollenbach, director of Boston College's Center for Human Rights, said recently that this culture is seen as integral to the US involvement in Iraq.

"Fear can lead to angry responses," Hollenbach said, according to the Connecticut Post. "I think the pope's message is going to be 'Don't be afraid.' I think the overcoming of fear can take away the impulse for war."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Pope_to_skip_White_House_dinner_0411.html

Logical
04-13-2008, 12:49 AM
What?

You do know that both Popes opposed going into Iraq?
I'd hope it could have a moderating influence on Bush instead of more war.
Some say he's going to attack Iran before he leaves office.
But I said "could" be....so it was conditional.Come on BEP do you really think the President is going to suddenly have a change of heart?

ChiefaRoo
04-13-2008, 02:13 AM
Maybe Ned knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-k6FBVRE2U&feature=related