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patteeu
04-15-2008, 12:06 PM
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Here is an interesting comment from the publisher of Michael Yon's new book on the Iraq war. The introductory paragraph is from John Hindraker of Powerline (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020299.php).

Moment of Truth (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/04/020299.php)

Of all of the journalists who have covered the Iraq war, Michael Yon is the most credible. His new book, Moment of Truth in Iraq: How a New 'Greatest Generation' of American Soldiers is Turning Defeat and Disaster into Victory and Hope (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0980076323?ie=UTF8&tag=wwwviolentkicom&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0980076323), has risen to a remarkable #45 [#15 as of this posting] on Amazon's best seller list, notwithstanding the fact that Yon works for no media company, has no organization and has supported his journalism largely through online donations.

The best tribute to Moment of Truth comes from Yon's publisher:

I HAVE NEVER BEEN PROUDER TO PUBLISH A BOOK

Michael Yon changed my mind about the war in Iraq, by making me understand it for the first time.

From the very beginning I was against the war. I thought it would be a disaster, another Vietnam. And until I had the privilege of working on this book with Michael I was always for immediate pull-out: why should one more American die for a doomed effort?

Michael--who is as close to totally non-political as anyone I know--showed me two things. First, because I judged by Vietnam, the war of my youth, I had radically underestimated what American soldiers could do. ***

I was 100 percent wrong. Today's American soldiers excel at counterinsurgency, because they excel at the most important thing: winning over the people by inspiring them with their own courage and compassion, discipline and determination. ***

Just wait until you read the Chapter "High Noon" (my favorite), the story of the American soldiers who have to arrest a corrupt but politically popular Iraqi police chief we had put in office in the first place because he had been a real hero in fighting the terrorists. He had to be removed by Americans to show the Iraqis we really did believe in the rule of law. The whole thing could have blown up into a one-town civil war with hundreds dead on both sides. Won't tell you how it ends, but you will be amazed and very proud.

***

I am convinced that everything I once thought about the war was wrong. The truth is we are doing a great thing in Iraq, most of the Iraqi people really do want to be a united democratic nation and already consider America their greatest friend and ally. It would be a crime to turn tail now and abandon them now.

I owe all that to Michael's book, which is why I believe publishing Moment of Truth in Iraq may be the best thing I have ever done for my country.

A stunning tribute.

Adept Havelock
04-15-2008, 12:15 PM
It appears his Publishing House features standard Far-Right fodder Denying Global Warming, a defense of Senator Joseph McCarthy, and "Libs is teh debbil" books from Ingrham, Frum, and Steyn.

http://www.richardvigilantebooks.com/

Considering that, I believe the publishers claim that Yon's book completely changed his belief about Iraq is little more than bookselling boilerplate. Well, that and some self-congratulatory back patting, as he claims publishing Yon's book as the "best thing he's ever done for the country." LMAO :rolleyes:

I might pick it up at the Library, but I certainly won't be spending any money on Mr. Yon or his Publisher, who I will take with one of these:

.

vailpass
04-15-2008, 12:20 PM
Michael Yon has more credibility in his coverage of the Iraq war than any other journalist IMHO.
No matter your political bent his first-hand accounting of daily happenings is powerful.
See for yourself:
http://michaelyon-online.com/

Adept Havelock
04-15-2008, 12:24 PM
Michael Yon has more credibility in his coverage of the Iraq war than any other journalist IMHO.
No matter your political bent his first-hand accounting of daily happenings is powerful.
See for yourself:
http://michaelyon-online.com/

I'm sure Mr. Yon as a compelling perspective. I've read a few of his pieces. To be clear, I was stating it was his publisher whom I would take with a grain of salt.

patteeu
04-15-2008, 12:26 PM
I might pick it up at the Library, but I certainly won't be spending any money on Mr. Yon or his Publisher, who I will take with one of these:

.

Suit yourself. :shrug:

I can understand why people wouldn't spend money on a Michael Moore book or an Ann Coulter book, but why you'd take that strange position on a Michael Yon book is not apparent to me. You can read some of his reports for free at his self-published website http://michaelyon-online.com/ to decide for yourself whether he's a nutcase or not. He believes in the war as a result of living it for the past several years, but he isn't really a political hack by any stretch of the imagination.

patteeu
04-15-2008, 12:27 PM
I'm sure Mr. Yon as a compelling perspective. I've read a few of his pieces. To be clear, I was stating it was his publisher whom I would take with a grain of salt.

Oh, OK. I can understand why you'd take the publisher's blurb with a grain of salt. :thumb:

Adept Havelock
04-15-2008, 12:30 PM
Oh, OK. I can understand why you'd take the publisher's blurb with a grain of salt. :thumb:

Thanks. I can understand why you would find it compelling enough to make it the focal point of your OP. ;)


I can understand why people wouldn't spend money on a Michael Moore book or an Ann Coulter book, but why you'd take that strange position on a Michael Yon book is not apparent to me.
I don't really see not supporting "Pundit" publishing houses as strange, but each to their own.

patteeu
04-15-2008, 12:34 PM
Thanks. I can understand why you would find it compelling enough to make it the focal point of your OP. ;)

It's a glowing testimonial, that's for sure. As hard as it is for me to believe that someone who favored immediate withdrawal is smart enough to have their opinion changed by a rational argument, it doesn't surprise me at all that Michael Yon's reporting from Iraq could convert someone who doubts our ability to succeed in Iraq into someone who is bullish on our prospects there.

vailpass
04-15-2008, 12:37 PM
I'm sure Mr. Yon as a compelling perspective. I've read a few of his pieces. To be clear, I was stating it was his publisher whom I would take with a grain of salt.

Understood AH. I hadn't read your post before I posted so wasn't directing anything toward you; just making a general observation.
Yon's man-on-the-scene accounts are very good reads IMHO.

Adept Havelock
04-15-2008, 12:38 PM
It's a glowing testimonial, that's for sure. As hard as it is for me to believe that someone who favored immediate withdrawal is smart enough to have their opinion changed by a rational argument, it doesn't surprise me at all that Michael Yon's reporting from Iraq could convert someone who doubts our ability to succeed in Iraq into someone who is bullish on our prospects there.

This is where Occam's razor comes into play for me.

Is it more likely:

1) Someone who was a staunch supporter of immediate withdrawal was convinced by the arguments made by Yon, and completely changed his position?

2) The publisher is overstating his beliefs and support for immediate withdrawal to put a puff piece review on the back of a book he thinks he can make a pile from (NTTAWWT). As the other books he publishes all support hard-right positions, I'm also inclined to doubt his claims of support for immediate withdrawal, though that is assumption on my part.

From what I know of the Bookselling industry (though it has been many years, I'm sure publishers are still the same), I'm going with option #2. ;)

patteeu
04-15-2008, 12:44 PM
This is where Occam's razor comes into play for me.

Is it more likely:

1) Someone who was a staunch supporter of immediate withdrawal was convinced by the arguments made by Yon, and completely changed his position?

2) The publisher is overstating his beliefs and support for immediate withdrawal to put a puff piece review on the back of a book he thinks he can make a pile from (NTTAWWT). As the other books he publishes all support hard-right positions, I'm also inclined to doubt his claims of support for immediate withdrawal, though that is assumption on my part.

From what I know of the Bookselling industry (though it has been many years, I'm sure publishers are still the same), I'm going with option #2. ;)

Fair enough.

BIG_DADDY
04-15-2008, 12:59 PM
I have had it with this war but I am not sure an immediate pull out is the right thing. This is the end of a letter I just received from my sister who is back over on her 4th tour.

"I can tell you one thing. Anyone who thinks we should just pull out of here has lost their ever loving minds. Sorry, I am trying to be politically correct but it is difficult when I am here. I guess it depends on the person, but I would suspect if they had a chance to look into the eyes of the children here and they knew what would happen if we left, they may change their minds. But maybe these people who have never been over here know more than me, which is always possible. I am not saying it is perfect. I am the first to say it is not but we cannot just leave.

On a happier note, I would like to throw something out there to all my family and friends. There are a lot of local children here who need or would enjoy some items. I thought I would get a list of items together and give out my address. If anyone would like to send items, please do, if not that is great too. Just let me know you are sending something, so we can plan our trips. We will personally go out and give the items to children who don't have the money to enjoy such items. "

Ultra Peanut
04-15-2008, 01:09 PM
The problem is, short of going all out to put the entire country under foot forever, how do you propose that we stop people who loathe each other from trying to kill everyone on the other side the moment we're no longer there to act as a buffer? Unless they just magically decide that their differences aren't such a big deal anymore, a complete cluster**** is already inevitable, if what's going on isn't already that in the first place.

We can leave in twenty years and let these children's children be the victims of the aftermath instead, I guess, but I don't know that this option fixes more than it damages in the grand scheme of things.

vailpass
04-15-2008, 01:23 PM
I have had it with this war but I am not sure an immediate pull out is the right thing. This is the end of a letter I just received from my sister who is back over on her 4th tour.

"I can tell you one thing. Anyone who thinks we should just pull out of here has lost their ever loving minds. Sorry, I am trying to be politically correct but it is difficult when I am here. I guess it depends on the person, but I would suspect if they had a chance to look into the eyes of the children here and they knew what would happen if we left, they may change their minds. But maybe these people who have never been over here know more than me, which is always possible. I am not saying it is perfect. I am the first to say it is not but we cannot just leave.


Wow. Nobody has a better insight than boots on the ground.
Godspeed to your sis.

BIG_DADDY
04-15-2008, 01:46 PM
Wow. Nobody has a better insight than boots on the ground.
Godspeed to your sis.

Thanks. I wish she would quit volunteering to go over there. She knows what she does saves US soldiers so she sacrifices and risks a lot to do that.

BIG_DADDY
04-15-2008, 01:47 PM
The problem is, short of going all out to put the entire country under foot forever, how do you propose that we stop people who loathe each other from trying to kill everyone on the other side the moment we're no longer there to act as a buffer? Unless they just magically decide that their differences aren't such a big deal anymore, a complete cluster**** is already inevitable, if what's going on isn't already that in the first place.

We can leave in twenty years and let these children's children be the victims of the aftermath instead, I guess, but I don't know that this option fixes more than it damages in the grand scheme of things.


I imagine you would support my original plan of dumping a bunch of estrogen in the water supply there. It would kind of make that place a fantasy island for you no?

vailpass
04-15-2008, 01:48 PM
Thanks. I wish she would quit volunteering to go over there. She knows what she does saves US soldiers so she sacrifices and risks a lot to do that.

I'm sure it makes you nervous. Bet it makes you proud as well.

dirk digler
04-15-2008, 01:50 PM
Michael Yon has more credibility in his coverage of the Iraq war than any other journalist IMHO.
No matter your political bent his first-hand accounting of daily happenings is powerful.
See for yourself:
http://michaelyon-online.com/

I like Michael Yon I have a great deal of respect for him and I like his reports. Also I like Michael Ware from CNN who has been in Iraq longer than anyone in the media and he always gives straight honest answers.

Chief Henry
04-15-2008, 02:11 PM
I like Michael Yon I have a great deal of respect for him and I like his reports. Also I like Michael Ware from CNN who has been in Iraq longer than anyone in the media and he always gives straight honest answers.

I don't like any one. I'm a bitter whitey that clings to my religion and guns
because I'm so economically oppressed. If I'm economically oppressed, how
come I had to pay so much in tax's.

dirk digler
04-15-2008, 02:14 PM
I don't like any one. I'm a bitter whitey that clings to my religion and guns
because I'm so economically oppressed. If I'm economically oppressed, how
come I had to pay so much in tax's.

:spock:

WTF are you talking about?

vailpass
04-15-2008, 02:44 PM
I like Michael Yon I have a great deal of respect for him and I like his reports. Also I like Michael Ware from CNN who has been in Iraq longer than anyone in the media and he always gives straight honest answers.

I haven't read Michael Ware's stuff, I'll have to check him out. Thanks for the tip.

Ultra Peanut
04-15-2008, 02:47 PM
:spock:

WTF are you talking about?He's still butthurt over an imaginary slight.

It's what retards do.

petegz28
04-15-2008, 02:50 PM
I don't like any one. I'm a bitter whitey that clings to my religion and guns
because I'm so economically oppressed. If I'm economically oppressed, how
come I had to pay so much in tax's.

Dude it was a huge mistake to say what he said. But I am not sure he meant it to mean what it sounded like it did.

I am not a Dem but I have listened to him a lot and this was clearly a **** up on his part and whoever coached him on this rant.

Thena gain maybe he meant every ****ing word, who knows?

vailpass
04-15-2008, 02:55 PM
I imagine you would support my original plan of dumping a bunch of estrogen in the water supply there. It would kind of make that place a fantasy island for you no?

ROFL

dirk digler
04-15-2008, 02:55 PM
I haven't read Michael Ware's stuff, I'll have to check him out. Thanks for the tip.

I don't think he writes but he might. He is usually on CNN and he has a ****ed up crooked nose. I would tend to believe he leans a little to the left but IMO he always gives honest answers. He said the other night America shouldn't leave and that the hearings last week were just a bunch of hot air coming from the politicians.

BigOlChiefsfan
04-15-2008, 03:16 PM
I've read Yon's first book Danger Near & have donated money to help him stay over there. Have asked the local JoCo library to buy his new book (please do the same) and I will buy a couple copies myself. With this many relatives going over, I have plenty of aunts and uncles who'll be happy to read some 'truth' about what their kids are doing.

Like this war or not, Yon's the real deal. Pulls no punchs, kisses no behinds. When he says it's bad, it's bad. When he says it's better, it's by God better. None of that 'phoning it in from the Green Zone, based on what my valet said' that we get from most MSM reporters.
Michael Totten (http://www.michaeltotten.com/) is another one who is on the ground and who's word I'll take. Neither of these guys will ever win a Pulitzer, but if Ernie Pyle got to pass out the awards they'd both get one. They've earned it.

Chief Henry
04-15-2008, 03:42 PM
:spock:

WTF are you talking about?



I should have put the wink in my thread. In the thread i quoted you, you say that you liked M. Yon and M Ware of CNN. I just responded that I didn't like anyone and then i threw in the fact that i was a bitter man because Barry said I was bitter because I go to Church.



Ultra Peanut ~ your not even funny, try to grow up sometime.

Chief Henry
04-15-2008, 03:45 PM
Dude it was a huge mistake to say what he said. But I am not sure he meant it to mean what it sounded like it did.I am not a Dem but I have listened to him a lot and this was clearly a **** up on his part and whoever coached him on this rant.

Thena gain maybe he meant every ****ing word, who knows?

I'm noticing your expertise on what people say and then what they mean.
Rush thread ;)

Logical
04-15-2008, 03:46 PM
...

I might pick it up at the Library, but I certainly won't be spending any money on Mr. Yon or his Publisher, who I will take with one of these:

.I never realized quite how beautiful a grain of salt really is when blown up for viewing.

Logical
04-15-2008, 03:57 PM
I don't like any one. I'm a bitter whitey that clings to my religion and guns
because I'm so economically oppressed. If I'm economically oppressed, how
come I had to pay so much in tax's.Well you old fool, you are not supposed to claim the income you gather from selling your sister and drugs.

Ultra Peanut
04-15-2008, 04:21 PM
ROFLTHAT WAS SO FUNNY LOL ESTROGEN LOL GET IT

That neverending circle jerk of yours is pretty rofflific, too.

Chief Henry
04-15-2008, 04:32 PM
Well you old fool, you are not supposed to claim the income you gather from selling your sister and drugs.

I'm actually surprised Barry and his band of miracle workers didn't mention
the buck tooth cousins that are sleeping with the bitchin hoes in the inner city of chicago.
You know, Ultra Peanuts mom and grandma.

BIG_DADDY
04-15-2008, 05:02 PM
THAT WAS SO FUNNY LOL ESTROGEN LOL GET IT

That neverending circle jerk of yours is pretty rofflific, too.

Oh I get it, you don't want any competition.

BIG_DADDY
04-15-2008, 05:44 PM
THAT WAS SO FUNNY LOL ESTROGEN LOL GET IT

That neverending circle jerk of yours is pretty rofflific, too.

At least we still have something to jerk Mr. Wandless.

Ultra Peanut
04-15-2008, 07:20 PM
I love the smell of lukewarm burns on an internet forum. Nice form in posting one right after the other, by the way. Very impressive.

mikey23545
04-15-2008, 10:46 PM
I love the smell of lukewarm burns on an internet forum. Nice form in posting one right after the other, by the way. Very impressive.

I never realized circus sideshows gave their employees so much access to the internet.