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Arrowhead Pride
04-17-2008, 10:45 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8043460/Chiefs%27-Allen-talking-with-Vikings,-Bucs

Jared Allen's days with the Chiefs appear to be numbered.




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Allen, the NFL's reigning sack leader, told FOXSports.com that the Vikings and Buccaneers have held trade talks with the Chiefs and he anticipates a deal will get done prior to next week's draft.

"It's a situation that works out best for both sides," Allen told FOXSports.com. "I can go to a team that is competing for a championship right now. The Chiefs can get valuable draft picks to rebuild with."

Allen said he had a visit set up with the Vikings this weekend in Minnesota and is tentatively scheduled to meet with Tampa Bay next week as well.

The Pro Bowl defensive end is the Chiefs' franchise player, but re-signing in Kansas City will be a problem as the team is looking to stockpile draft picks.

Allen said the two sticking points are working out terms of a deal with a new team and the Chiefs agreeing to compensation for a trade. A package of first- and second-round picks or one of first- and third-round picks in the upcoming draft have been discussed as possible terms. It's unclear at this point what it will take to get the deal done.

oldandslow
04-17-2008, 10:48 AM
This makes me extremely sad.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:48 AM
This will be disappointing to see the team lose such a good player. I wish this were last year because I'd rather trade a top RB for picks than a top DE.

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 10:48 AM
Wow - obviously Minnesota would be the first choice since they have the #17 overall pick compared to Tampa's #20. Also nice that both teams are in the NFC.

the Talking Can
04-17-2008, 10:48 AM
wow

sign LJ
trade Allen

oh well, give us the damn picks and let's shoot for the #1 pick next year...this rebuild is going to be as complete and total as any I remember any team doing...

we literally have 4-5 talented players on the entire team....lol...i love it in a perverse way...

Brock
04-17-2008, 10:49 AM
At least he's cured of being an alcoholic.

Frazod
04-17-2008, 10:49 AM
Glad I never bothered to get his jersey.

:cuss:

Tribal Warfare
04-17-2008, 10:49 AM
Not surprised, but hey it's Carl Peterson's Ego talking.

Adept Havelock
04-17-2008, 10:49 AM
Carl, GFY.

Tribal Warfare
04-17-2008, 10:50 AM
#5 spot Ellis or Chris Long?

Skip Towne
04-17-2008, 10:51 AM
wow

sign LJ
trade Allen

oh well, give us the damn picks and let's shoot for the #1 pick next year...this rebuild is going to be as complete and total as any I remember any team doing...

we literally have 4-5 talented players on the entire team....lol...i love it in a perverse way...

We're actually an expansion team.

mikeyis4dcats.
04-17-2008, 10:51 AM
brilliant move.

****ing retards.

the Talking Can
04-17-2008, 10:52 AM
Bowe
Gonzo (30+)
Waters(30+)
Hali
DJ
Boone
Edwards (30+)
Surtain

the only players on this team with talent who have proven anything in the NFL...and several of them are over 30

only 4 under 30

Demonpenz
04-17-2008, 10:52 AM
Why don't we ever stick to one way of doing things. Oh wait we do. the wrong way

raypec85
04-17-2008, 10:52 AM
stupid, stupid, STUPID move. Allen is young, productive, a leader, plays a prime position, is popular with fans, and has demonstrated he's past the drinking issue. I can't think of any compensation a team would realistically give that makes this a good deal for KC.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 10:53 AM
#5 spot Ellis or Chris Long?

Matt Ryan



3....2...1

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 10:53 AM
Nice Carl....

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:53 AM
Increase the possibility of taking Ryan at #5?

the Talking Can
04-17-2008, 10:54 AM
we signed a broken down, won't block, RB to a whopper contract

we traded a young, in his prime pass rushing DE who leads in sacks and tackles....

very smart

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 10:54 AM
stupid, stupid, STUPID move. Allen is young, productive, a leader, plays a prime position, is popular with fans, and has demonstrated he's past the drinking issue. I can't think of any compensation a team would realistically give that makes this a good deal for KC.

I hear he's lost his 2nd-level burst..

The Bad Guy
04-17-2008, 10:54 AM
It's hilarious that Carl Peterson would be this stupid to do this.

You rebuild by KEEPING your young, pro bowl players. What kind of ass-backward logic is this?

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 10:54 AM
stupid, stupid, STUPID move. Allen is young, productive, a leader, plays a prime position, is popular with fans, and has demonstrated he's past the drinking issue. I can't think of any compensation a team would realistically give that makes this a good deal for KC.
But he totally clowns Carl... Carl's ego is killing him right now..

evolve27
04-17-2008, 10:55 AM
Makes no sense. Drastically hurting our DE/D-front position for a Turk McBride unproven fill in. If we bring in Ellis or Dorsey we'd be set.

Brock
04-17-2008, 10:55 AM
stupid, stupid, STUPID move. Allen is young, productive, a leader, plays a prime position, is popular with fans, and has demonstrated he's past the drinking issue. I can't think of any compensation a team would realistically give that makes this a good deal for KC.

He's demonstrated he past the drinking issue? How?

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 10:56 AM
we signed a broken down, won't block, RB to a whopper contract

we traded a young, in his prime pass rushing DE who leads in sacks and tackles....

very smart

Jarred Allen was a DV player. People want all the remenents of DV and his players gone...

Now they are crying when Herm and Carl are getting rid of those players..:)

cdcox
04-17-2008, 10:56 AM
If we get very lucky this is a break even trade at best in terms of talent. The only young star player on the team, gone.

PhillyChiefFan
04-17-2008, 10:56 AM
Upsetting, the one shining star that the fans love is being let go for an untested rookie. I know we are in rebuilding mode, but its hard to let this one go.

Frazod
04-17-2008, 10:57 AM
The only thing we can hope is that this will just be another nail in Carl's coffin.

Goddamn that guy. :#

Delano
04-17-2008, 10:57 AM
If anything less than two first round picks are accepted for the team's best player, I would be pissed.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 10:57 AM
It's hilarious that Carl Peterson would be this stupid to do this.

You rebuild by KEEPING your young, pro bowl players. What kind of ass-backward logic is this?


Think the Patriots

bowener
04-17-2008, 10:57 AM
I dont know what to think.... very confused by this unless behind the scenes things arent going as well as the fans might hope. I do and think we should blame Carl for the majority of the issues between Allen and CP, but Allen, at one time, was a risk... he doesnt seem to be now. Also, I do wonder what the offer is by both of those teams, perhaps it was something we could not refuse. Maybe a 1st and 3rd this year plus next years 1st rounder. Are there any players on their teams that they may be willing to part with as well that would aid as and are young too (plus at least a 1st and 3rd this year)?

cdcox
04-17-2008, 10:58 AM
When you are rebuilding, Allen is exactly the kind of player you want to keep. We are debuilding.

The Bad Guy
04-17-2008, 10:58 AM
Jarred Allen was a DV player. People want all the remenents of DV and his players gone...

Now they are crying when Herm and Carl are getting rid of those players..:)

That's a crock of shit.

The reason this is even an issue is because of the drinking. It's stupid, he should be a Chief for life.

But to say that he's a DV guy, and Herm wants all DV guys gone is ridiculous.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:58 AM
If we get very lucky this is a break even trade at best in terms of talent. The only young star player on the team, gone.

Couldn't agree more. This is the difference between the trade discussions for LJ. We kept a descending player and are possibly giving up an ascending one. Brilliant.

ROYC75
04-17-2008, 10:58 AM
THIS SUCKS !

Pestilence
04-17-2008, 10:59 AM
What we should get: A 1st round pick this year....and a 1st round pick next year.

What we'll get: A 1st this year and 5th this year.

GTFO Carl!

the Talking Can
04-17-2008, 10:59 AM
We are debuilding.

nice

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 10:59 AM
Couldn't agree more. This is the difference between the trade discussions for LJ. We kept a descending player and are possibly giving up an ascending one. Brilliant.


Kolby Smith is the next Priest Holmes

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 10:59 AM
I dont know what to think.... very confused by this unless behind the scenes things arent going as well as the fans might hope. I do and think we should blame Carl for the majority of the issues between Allen and CP, but Allen, at one time, was a risk... he doesnt seem to be now. Also, I do wonder what the offer is by both of those teams, perhaps it was something we could not refuse. Maybe a 1st and 3rd this year plus next years 1st rounder. Are there any players on their teams that they may be willing to part with as well that would aid as and are young too (plus at least a 1st and 3rd this year)?


2 #1's and a 3rd? WOW, that is pretty steep dont you think?

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 11:00 AM
son of a mother****ing bitch. they have 10 draft picks already? why would they need any more draft picks?

also, why does jared allen think minnesota and tampa bay have a shot at winning a championship?

this trade seems pointless either way.

RustShack
04-17-2008, 11:00 AM
I still don't think its gonna happen.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:01 AM
2 #1's and a 3rd? WOW, that is pretty steep dont you think?

slightly but emotion driven talk is good around here

BigRedChief
04-17-2008, 11:01 AM
stupid, stupid, STUPID move. Allen is young, productive, a leader, plays a prime position, is popular with fans, and has demonstrated he's past the drinking issue. I can't think of any compensation a team would realistically give that makes this a good deal for KC.
What he said.:clap:

Tribal Warfare
04-17-2008, 11:01 AM
I still don't think its gonna happen.

Sounds pretty set, with the Allen quotes :banghead:

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 11:01 AM
Won't we be getting a 1st and a 3rd if this happens?

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:02 AM
this trade seems pointless either way.


Carl wants it to happen... end of story.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:02 AM
son of a mother****ing bitch. they have 10 draft picks already? why would they need any more draft picks?

:stupid::Robinson:

Rain Man
04-17-2008, 11:02 AM
If this happens, I...I...[incriminating statement about Carl Peterson redacted by Rain Man's attorney].

evolve27
04-17-2008, 11:03 AM
Kolby Smith is the next Priest Holmes

QFT

NewChief
04-17-2008, 11:03 AM
Carl wants it to happen... end of story.

JA wants it to happen as well. He doesn't like Carl, and he wants to get out from under him.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:03 AM
slightly but emotion driven talk is good around here


I guess taking this years 1st and 3rd from someone isnt to bad...


What pisses me off is we should of done this with our broken down RB 2 years ago... But no, a big fat contract for a RB..... :cuss:

Damn U to hell Carl!

ROYC75
04-17-2008, 11:03 AM
That's a crock of shit.

The reason this is even an issue is because of the drinking. It's stupid, he should be a Chief for life.

But to say that he's a DV guy, and Herm wants all DV guys gone is ridiculous.


Agreed, LJ was drafted during the DV's years, so was DJ. Wonder if they are on the trading blocks ? :rolleyes:

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:03 AM
son of a mother****ing bitch. they have 10 draft picks already? why would they need any more draft picks?




for the same reason you buy five lotto picks instead of one? for the same reason you date 3 girls at a time instead of one?

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:04 AM
JA wants it to happen as well. He doesn't like Carl, and he wants to get out from under him.
Well can you blame him?

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:04 AM
for the same reason you buy five lotto picks instead of one? for the same reason you date 3 girls at a time instead of one?

Your wife approve of this?

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 11:04 AM
11/02: Tampa Bay at KC.

Ebolapox
04-17-2008, 11:05 AM
Your wife approve of this?

he doesn't have a wife. he sucks dick for coke (/mr. kotter)

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:05 AM
How many times has it worked out in favor of the team trading a 1st round pick or more for a player?

Joey Galloway - nope
Keyshawn Johnson - nope
Deion Branch - not yet
Hershel Walker - nope

Who else am I forgetting?

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 11:06 AM
I'm going down to Allen's place to buy him a drink, as a going-away present.

PhillyChiefFan
04-17-2008, 11:06 AM
You watch, Carl will have Ellis or Dorsey there and trade down. Ah! I would be pissed.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:07 AM
Agreed, LJ was drafted during the DV's years, so was DJ. Wonder if they are on the trading blocks ? :rolleyes:
LJ is Carls Golden boy.. See big Fat Contract...

BTW Roy, I was being sarcastic.. Some man holster takes everything I write as gospel....

RCJ!:KU:

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:07 AM
he doesn't have a wife. he sucks dick for coke (/mr. kotter)
ROFL

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:07 AM
he doesn't have a wife. he sucks dick for coke (/mr. kotter)

G****MNIT for the LAST TIME...PEPSI!












:LOL: ;)

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:08 AM
G****MNIT for the LAST TIME...PEPSI!
:LOL: ;)

:clap: Nice!

Ebolapox
04-17-2008, 11:08 AM
How many times has it worked out in favor of the team trading a 1st round pick or more for a player?

Joey Galloway - nope
Keyshawn Johnson - nope
Deion Branch - not yet
Hershel Walker - nope

Who else am I forgetting?

I can't think of anybody. however, it worked out decently well when we traded our first for trent green. :shrug:

Dartgod
04-17-2008, 11:09 AM
Glad I never bothered to get his jersey.

:cuss:
:banghead:

My Current jerseys:

Jared Allen
Priest Holmes
Larry Johnson
Dante Hall
Trent Green

I'm done buying current players jerseys. I'm buying a DT and another HOF player jersey and be done with it.

sedated
04-17-2008, 11:09 AM
I'm sorry, but through all the BS this team has pulled in the past, this would be the move that would seriously have me giving up.

If this happens, I will seise to be an NFL fan until Carl is gone.

Pestilence
04-17-2008, 11:09 AM
Awesome....let's not pay Allen....but then draft a DE at #5 and pay him a $50 million dollar contract. Smart move.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:09 AM
Your wife approve of this?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=77609&d=1208353893

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:10 AM
:banghead:

My Current jerseys:

Jared Allen
Priest Holmes
Larry Johnson
Dante Hall
Trent Green

I'm done buying current players jerseys. I'm buying a DT and another HOF player jersey and be done with it.
Have a Grbac one I will sell you.... :)

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 11:10 AM
There's no way we could have had a clause in the contract in case Allen gets back on the sauce. Those things don't exist. This is the only smart move. I applaud Carl for his foresight.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:10 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=77609&d=1208353893
:clap: that is some sweet tail you are pulling there!

Dartgod
04-17-2008, 11:10 AM
Have a Grbac one I will sell you.... :)
Ha! At least I wasn't that stupid.

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:11 AM
How many times has it worked out in favor of the team trading a 1st round pick or more for a player?

Joey Galloway - nope
Keyshawn Johnson - nope
Deion Branch - not yet
Hershel Walker - nope

Who else am I forgetting?

Add Randy Moss (to Raiders) - nope

Brock
04-17-2008, 11:11 AM
He wants out of here, period. The Chiefs aren't going to give a lifetime contract to a guy who's on his third strike. That's just the reality of it.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:11 AM
Have a Grbac one I will sell you.... :)

Greg Hill anyone?

PhillyChiefFan
04-17-2008, 11:12 AM
Awesome....let's not pay Allen....but then draft a DE at #5 and pay him a $50 million dollar contract. Smart move.

Well put. Trade a proven, tough, gritty player that QB's are constantly watching for and get a rookie who is untested in the NFL and give him a whopper of a contract. :cuss:

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:12 AM
:banghead:

My Current jerseys:

Jared Allen
Priest Holmes
Larry Johnson
Dante Hall
Trent Green

I'm done buying current players jerseys. I'm buying a DT and another HOF player jersey and be done with it.

LMAO

I stopped buying jerseys when I looked into my closet one day and the only red and gold contained the names "Grbac, Rison, McGlockton, Vanover, Hill". I bought a personalized jersey and that was that.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:12 AM
If Allen does leave...

I blame Dackman_AP

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:13 AM
Ha! At least I wasn't that stupid.
:hmmm: good point.....

Good thing I only paid $3.00 for it at some sports store in SE Kansas.

suds79
04-17-2008, 11:13 AM
wow this would suck if this happened.

Why? Because the people we pick probably won't turn out (separate or combined) as good as Jared Allen is now.

What can you do? :(

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:13 AM
2 #1's and a 3rd? WOW, that is pretty steep dont you think?

Steep? **** no! If we are going to do this, then we should rape them. For once Carl should actually be a dick to the other owners instead of just the agents. He always plays hardball with agents but always ****ing folds to the other owners... maybe they give him swirlies or something at the meetings, maybe they make fun of his used car salesman appearance, or will make him eat at the kids table, I dont know... but he needs to grow some balls and put it to his peers for once. Perhaps in the end it could actually work out for us.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:13 AM
"Hill"

Now I don't feel so bad

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:14 AM
Greg Hill anyone?
Better yet?

How about a Brett Perriman Jersey.....

Short Leash Hootie
04-17-2008, 11:14 AM
I still don't think its gonna happen.

agreed...and if it does, it better be a 2008 1st, 2008 3rd, and a 2009 1st...

eazyb81
04-17-2008, 11:14 AM
This is crazy, I just got back from class and see that we're about to trade our best player.

On one hand I'm pissed off, since we are definitely going to suck next year without Allen (we were going to suck with him too though). On the other, it looks like we may finally be rebuilding the right way. An extra 1st and 2nd round pick this year would be huge, and we'd be selling high on Allen.

Overall, it will suck to see Allen go but I like the picks we may be getting. But, we are going to be BRUTAL to watch this season.

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:14 AM
If Allen does leave...

I blame Dackman_AP

I blame Reerun_KC for spelling mistakes/typos.

BigRedChief
04-17-2008, 11:14 AM
According to a poster on another board that is listening to sports talk radio in Minnesota he says that the radio stations are all talking about that a Jared deal will be done in the next few days.

They are also reporting that Jared is in Minnesota right now.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:15 AM
Steep? **** no! If we are going to do this, then we should rape them. For once Carl should actually be a dick to the other owners instead of just the agents. He always plays hardball with agents but always ****ing folds to the other owners... maybe they give him swirlies or something at the meetings, maybe they make fun of his used car salesman appearance, or will make him eat at the kids table, I dont know... but he needs to grow some balls and put it to his peers for once. Perhaps in the end it could actually work out for us.

I don't think anyone is going to fall for the Herschel Walker/ Ricky Williams type trade again

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:15 AM
Steep? **** no! If we are going to do this, then we should rape them. For once Carl should actually be a dick to the other owners instead of just the agents. He always plays hardball with agents but always ****ing folds to the other owners... maybe they give him swirlies or something at the meetings, maybe they make fun of his used car salesman appearance, or will make him eat at the kids table, I dont know... but he needs to grow some balls and put it to his peers for once. Perhaps in the end it could actually work out for us.
Fair enough. Very solid post and points...

:clap:

eazyb81
04-17-2008, 11:15 AM
Better yet?

How about a Brett Perriman Jersey.....

How about a Hugh Douglas jersey....

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:15 AM
I'm going down to Allen's place to buy him a drink, as a going-away present.

Maybe this is all just a PUBlicity stunt by Allen to get all the chiefs fans in the mood to drink heavily... isnt his bar opening soon, or just opened??

blaise
04-17-2008, 11:15 AM
Carl must not feel like he's on the hot seat, because this really doesn't help his image or the team's immediate chance of winning.

stlchiefs
04-17-2008, 11:16 AM
WOW. I can't even explain how pissed I am reading this right now. I hope this is incorrect info on Glazer's part, if not **** this franchise. We have a young, proven player who loves the city and we want to trade him for a #1 pick and a couple others. F that. Give me proven, how many round one picks are busts.

Forget the potential suspension talk, write it into JA's contract that he loses all of it if he's suspended. Have some faith in the man.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:16 AM
Better yet?

How about a Brett Perriman Jersey.....

yeah that stings just a lil

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:16 AM
I blame Reerun_KC for spelling mistakes/typos.


I blame Internet Explorer for not having spell checker like Firefox uses...

Short Leash Hootie
04-17-2008, 11:16 AM
the only reason this makes sense is you can get a few top tier picks for a top tier player and not have to pay top tier money...why pay all these people prime dollar to play on a 5 win team?

Of course, Mecca is right we should've dumped LJ and signed Jared but hindsight is 20/20 and this is a dumb franchise.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:16 AM
How about a Hugh Douglas jersey....

:spock: did you get a personalized one?

Brock
04-17-2008, 11:17 AM
Forget the potential suspension talk, write it into JA's contract that he loses all of it if he's suspended. Have some faith in the man.

How does that help? They still lose him for a year.

eazyb81
04-17-2008, 11:17 AM
Forget the potential suspension talk, write it into JA's contract that he loses all of it if he's suspended. Have some faith in the man.

Do you really think he would agree to this?

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:17 AM
Another point of view (devils advocate):

We spent a 4th round pick on Allen, got 4 great years of production out of him and are now trading him for a 1st and 3rd (or more) which will turn into player(s) with more potential coming out of college and younger. That would be a net gain.

Donger
04-17-2008, 11:17 AM
Just so I'm clear on this, the Chiefs are going to trade a known quantity for (perhaps) a couple of unknown quantities because the Chiefs don't want to pay Allen.

Is that correct?

Short Leash Hootie
04-17-2008, 11:17 AM
Minnesota has tons of young talent on that defense, what a scary addition Allen would be...maybe we can cherry pick a player and get their 2009 1st, too...because they still have Tavaris Jackson running that offense...could easily be a top 15 pick.

eazyb81
04-17-2008, 11:18 AM
:spock: did you get a personalized one?

I got a little too excited when he came to visit.....

eazyb81
04-17-2008, 11:18 AM
Another point of view (devils advocate):

We spent a 4th round pick on Allen, got 4 great years of production out of him and are now trading him for a 1st and 3rd (or more) which will turn into player(s) with more potential coming out of college and younger. That would be a net gain.

Exactly. But low, sell high.

Demonpenz
04-17-2008, 11:18 AM
How are they going to sell tickets this year?

Short Leash Hootie
04-17-2008, 11:18 AM
Just so I'm clear on this, the Chiefs are going to trade a known quantity for (perhaps) a couple of unknowns quantities because the Chiefs don't want to pay Allen.

Is that correct?

I hate the idea, but if he's asking for 30 M guaranteed...there is only so many dollars that can be spread around...might as well get a few top tier picks and pay 1/10 of what Allen is going to get...right? Start paying money when we have a team that can compete...hopefully in the next three years.

Hoover
04-17-2008, 11:18 AM
This is just painful. JA is/was the face of the Chiefs. Who doesn't like the guy? He's just great.

This tells me the Chiefs are looking at a long term rebuild that will take 3-4 more seasons. If thats the case the best years of JA's career are going to be spent on a 4-12 team, which would suck for him. God I feel bad for Tony G, I'd feel worse for JA.

It also indicates that we will probably be looking at DE at #5 which is fine, but has mentioned above its a hole we don't have to fill right now. In all honesty its like trading JA away for a 3rd round pick if we use the 5th pick to replace him.

Ugh I'm a diehard fan but its going to be hard to watch this team without its best player.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:19 AM
Another point of view (devils advocate):

We spent a 4th round pick on Allen, got 4 great years of production out of him and are now trading him for a 1st and 3rd (or more) which will turn into player(s) with more potential coming out of college and younger. That would be a net gain.
Maybe we should start a profit/loss statement to keep track of these transactions?

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:19 AM
How are they going to sell tickets this year?
There are plenty of lemmings lined up for tickets....

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:19 AM
I got a little too excited when he came to visit.....

LMAO I think we have a winnar! I dunno that this could be topped unless someone has a McNabb Chiefs Jersey

Pestilence
04-17-2008, 11:21 AM
Don't worry guys. We'll bring Allen back when he's 34 just like we did with Donnie Edwards.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:21 AM
LMAO I think we have a winnar! I dunno that this could be topped unless someone has a McNabb Chiefs Jersey
How about Jesse Haynes Jersey?

Anyone have one of those?

rad
04-17-2008, 11:21 AM
WOW. I can't even explain how pissed I am reading this right now. I hope this is incorrect info on Glazer's part, if not **** this franchise. We have a young, proven player who loves the city and we want to trade him for a #1 pick and a couple others. F that. Give me proven, how many round one picks are busts.

Forget the potential suspension talk, write it into JA's contract that he loses all of it if he's suspended. Have some faith in the man.

Jared has said he won't sign a contract with that stipulation in it. Which leads me to believe he doesn't believe in himself. If his drinking is "not a problem" then why not sign off on it?

If that's the case, **** him, let him go. Just as long as we fleece the team that he signs with..

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:22 AM
Don't worry guys. We'll bring Allen back when he's 34 just like we did with Donnie Edwards.
Carl better not still be here!:banghead:

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:22 AM
Carl must not feel like he's on the hot seat, because this really doesn't help his image or the team's immediate chance of winning.

Or maybe he realizes he is ****ed, so now he is just going to cornhole the team before he steps out the door with pockets loaded.

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:23 AM
How are they going to sell tickets this year?

Did the deadline for ST already pass?? If so, I must admit that waiting to discuss trades for JA was a good business move by somebody at 1 Arrowhead drive... ****in dick.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 11:24 AM
I don't think it's a bad idea, personally. Trade Allen, grab Chris Long or (ugh) Gholston (one of them's probably the BPA at 5 the way things are shaking-out now), grab the best o-tackle (or Ryan, if he drops) at 17 or 20. And we get another top pick, either this year or next.

Yes, it's risky.

BigRedChief
04-17-2008, 11:24 AM
This is just painful. JA is/was the face of the Chiefs. Who doesn't like the guy? He's just great.

This tells me the Chiefs are looking at a long term rebuild that will take 3-4 more seasons. If thats the case the best years of JA's career are going to be spent on a 4-12 team, which would suck for him. God I feel bad for Tony G, I'd feel worse for JA.

It also indicates that we will probably be looking at DE at #5 which is fine, but has mentioned above its a hole we don't have to fill right now. In all honesty its like trading JA away for a 3rd round pick if we use the 5th pick to replace him.

Ugh I'm a diehard fan but its going to be hard to watch this team without its best player.
King Carl created the hostile negoitating atmosphere. If Jared leaves its defintely on King Carl. Just like tait's leaving. His arrogance is chasing off another good player.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:24 AM
Is Clark/Carl trying to turn the Chiefs into the movie Major League...

They trying to make it so bad that Clark can finally move the team to LA?

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:25 AM
King Carl created the hostile negoitating atmosphere. If Jared leaves its defintely on King Carl. Just like tait's leaving. His arrogance is chasing off another good player.
This so reminds me of the Tait incident....

Carls ego has hurt KC more than it has helped...

REDHOTGTO
04-17-2008, 11:26 AM
unbelievable - nuttiest trade i've ever heard of
he plays with so much emotion it gets the whole crowd into the defensive part of the game, and they're gonna dump him......... fugg off carl

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:26 AM
Is Clark/Carl trying to turn the Chiefs into the movie Major League...

They trying to make it so bad that Clark can finally move the team to LA?

But didn't they end up winning the pennant?

blueballs
04-17-2008, 11:27 AM
Anybody who thinks Allen has acted with maturity since his DUIs
are bullshitting themselves

markk
04-17-2008, 11:27 AM
as long as the trade is good value I don't hate this move. i believe he said he wasn't going to resign here so we might as well get some picks in return.

i am concerned about his character questions, he could be suspended for a year for a minor misstep and he's opening a bar?

Brock
04-17-2008, 11:27 AM
I really don't think any of you would be willing to give Jared the kind of money he wants either if you were the guy dealing with him.

Reerun_KC
04-17-2008, 11:28 AM
But didn't they end up winning the pennant?
Why yes they did...... :redface:

So now Herm is going to win the West?:shake:

vailpass
04-17-2008, 11:29 AM
Oh you mother****ers. With Adrian Peterson at RB, Tarvaris Jackson at QB, a solid O line and a good set of WR Minnesota has one of the best O's in the league.

If they can bolster their D the Vikes are going to be a force to contend with and soon. Letting them have JA accelerates that process.

I don't like this at all.

Tribal Warfare
04-17-2008, 11:29 AM
But didn't they end up winning the pennant?


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We need JOBU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:30 AM
But didn't they end up winning the pennant?

Yeah, true. but then they made us suffer through 2 terrible sequels and an awful replacement for Snipes :doh!:

Direckshun
04-17-2008, 11:31 AM
From my sister, via text message:

"Just like the Royals -- let's just trade away all of our good players! Worked so well for them!"

markk
04-17-2008, 11:32 AM
this is one year of jared allen we are trading. he's not going to resign. reality is reality. it's like the carlos beltran situation.

Armyofme
04-17-2008, 11:33 AM
If this happens, and JA screws up in the next year or two (which wouldn't REALLY surprise anyone), this will be looked at as one of the better moves we have made recently.

blueballs
04-17-2008, 11:33 AM
From my sister, via text message:

"Just like the Royals -- let's just trade away all of our good players! Worked so well for them!"

I'd like to quote your sister too
but I'd have to half swallow a banana

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:36 AM
Anybody who thinks Allen has acted with maturity since his DUIs
are bullshitting themselves

It's quite hilarious, IMO. We have a group of people who will :cuss: if we give JA big $$. We have a group of people who will :cuss: if we trade JA. There's no way to satisfy all of the people all of the time.

blueballs
04-17-2008, 11:37 AM
It's quite hilarious, IMO. We have a group of people who will :cuss: if we give JA big $$. We have a group of people who will :cuss: if we trade JA. There's no way to satisfy all of the people all of the time.


WORSE YET
Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan knew all along
Goatse in 3-2-1

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:37 AM
If this happens, and JA screws up in the next year or two (which wouldn't REALLY surprise anyone), this will be looked at as one of the better moves we have made recently.

I definitely agree with you on this though. **** it, trade him. I didnt even need mecca in here to persuade me!! Where is he btw?

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:38 AM
WORSE YET
Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan know all along

Is this that big surprise they were promising 2 months ago? That rat bastard!

eazyb81
04-17-2008, 11:38 AM
this is one year of jared allen we are trading. he's not going to resign. reality is reality. it's like the carlos beltran situation.

Yep. It's not like this is begging for us to resign him and he's been a great person in the community.

He's a huge risk because of his DUIs and HE DOESN'T WANT TO SIGN HERE. I don't know why everyone is ignoring this.

Brock
04-17-2008, 11:39 AM
Yeah, say, how come WPI isn't breaking this story?

Pitt Gorilla
04-17-2008, 11:39 AM
It appears that we like Gholston.

Brock
04-17-2008, 11:40 AM
It appears that we like Gholston.

How so?

blueballs
04-17-2008, 11:40 AM
JA has a death wish anyway

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 11:40 AM
Yeah, say, how come WPI isn't breaking this story?

They did. 30 minutes prior to Glazer's story. J/K. But this is the typical schtick.

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:41 AM
They did. 30 minutes prior to Glazer's story. J/K. But this is the typical schtick.

Maybe they can post an online article and back date it or something... to justify the $99 bill they hand out.

CoMoChief
04-17-2008, 11:41 AM
Well Carl ****ed up in paying the wrong man the big contract (again).

Now we are letting go our best defensive player on a defense that is mediocre at best, while trying to "rebuild" ****ING CHRIST Allen is 26 yrs old.

**** this team. If this happens, I am rooting for the Bears. Plain and simple.

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:42 AM
Yeah, say, how come WPI isn't breaking this story?

LMAO

The Bad Guy
04-17-2008, 11:42 AM
Well can you blame him?

Blame him for what?

JA screwed up with his personal life. Carl didn't do that.

Carl didn't force him to drink and drive.

I love how you want to remove all accountability on Jared on this one.

If JA never got into trouble, the Chiefs are never going to trade him. Paying a guy in excess of 25 mill guaranteed when they are one bad night away from being suspended the whole year isn't smart.

MOhillbilly
04-17-2008, 11:43 AM
i love the guy & hope he stays. if he does go its just another log on the fire that is my hate for Mr. Peterson.

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:44 AM
i love the guy & hope he stays. if he does go its just another log on the fire that is my hate for Mr. Peterson.

How many more logs until the fire is considered an inferno?

Chief Faithful
04-17-2008, 11:44 AM
Need more than a 1st and 3rd because now one of the 1st has to be used to replace JA. Thus, all the team gets is a 3rd round pick and the hope of developing another JA.

blueballs
04-17-2008, 11:45 AM
How is it okay for JA to drink and drive -please stay
but not okay for LJ to bitchslap some slut -get the **** out

el borracho
04-17-2008, 11:45 AM
Anything short of two 1st round picks and Carl should be fired immediately. In fact, if those two 1st round picks are not in the 1st half of the draft, Carl should be fired, anyway.

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:46 AM
Anything short of two 1st round picks and Carl should be fired immediately. In fact, if those two 1st round picks are not in the 1st half of the draft, Carl should be fired, anyway.

2 decades: Carl should be fired anyway.

Pitt Gorilla
04-17-2008, 11:46 AM
How so?I think that might be part of the equation. Either Gholston or C. Long will likely be around when we pick and will likely represent the BAA. Add in the fact that the amount of money Jared (likely) wants would be prohibitive and the uncertainty about whether or not he would sign here anyway, getting picks for him makes sense. I'd prefer 2 firsts, but at least one would likely allow the Chiefs to grab a tackle later in the first. The Vikes, though, might be a bit too low to guarantee an elite tackle.

KC4EVER
04-17-2008, 11:47 AM
I just don't understand.... Isn't JA the type of player Herm is trying to build around/bring in? Young, 2nd contract, full of upside? We better get one hell of a deal to let our best player go!

Pestilence
04-17-2008, 11:47 AM
Carl hates white people!

Baby Lee
04-17-2008, 11:48 AM
Another point of view (devils advocate):

We spent a 4th round pick on Allen, got 4 great years of production out of him and are now trading him for a 1st and 3rd (or more) which will turn into player(s) with more potential coming out of college and younger. That would be a net gain.

Since the one true meter of success in the NFL is playoff wins, we got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING out of him.

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:49 AM
Need more than a 1st and 3rd because now one of the 1st has to be used to replace JA. Thus, all the team gets is a 3rd round pick and the hope of developing another JA.

One of the 1st rounders HAS to be used to replace a guy who was drafted in the 4th round? BRILLIANT!

Ecto-I
04-17-2008, 11:49 AM
If this happens, I might actually cry...does this make me less of a man?

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 11:50 AM
Since the one true meter of success in the NFL is playoff wins, we got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING out of him.

If that's what we're going by then we still wouldn't get anything out of him for at least another 2-3 full seasons.

Pestilence
04-17-2008, 11:50 AM
Don't the Rams need a DE? Just trade him there so we get another Top 5 draft pick that can hold out.

Bob Dole
04-17-2008, 11:51 AM
Need more than a 1st and 3rd because now one of the 1st has to be used to replace JA. Thus, all the team gets is a 3rd round pick and the hope of developing another JA.

Ignoring that he's franchised and the compensation for signing another team's franchised player is 2 first round picks...

bowener
04-17-2008, 11:51 AM
One of the 1st rounders HAS to be used to replace a guy who was drafted in the 4th round? BRILLIANT!

I think we can all agree that JA was a freakish talent to be drafted in the 4th round. If the draft were to be done over knowing all we know now he would be a 1st rounder or 2nd rounder (if you are scared off by his booze). We arent replacing the draft pick, we are replacing the current player, who is a top tier 1st round draft pick (with character issues).

DenverChief
04-17-2008, 11:51 AM
How is it okay for JA to drink and drive -please stay
but not okay for LJ to bitchslap some slut -get the **** out


QFT

JBucc
04-17-2008, 11:52 AM
I don't know how I feel about this. More picks is great but that's a gaping hole in our defense. I hope we aren't targeting Gholston. Last thing we need is another liability in run D.

Coach
04-17-2008, 11:52 AM
Blame him for what?

JA screwed up with his personal life. Carl didn't do that.

Carl didn't force him to drink and drive.

I love how you want to remove all accountability on Jared on this one.

If JA never got into trouble, the Chiefs are never going to trade him. Paying a guy in excess of 25 mill guaranteed when they are one bad night away from being suspended the whole year isn't smart.

That's true, but he stayed away from the police blotter last year. Now does that mean he got his shit together? Probably not, since it's probably too early to tell.

Yet, that's the problem with the Chiefs. They don't take the bold moves. The risks. High risk, yet high reward. That's why they always go through the safe routes (I.E. Picking up veteran QB's, picking up washed up return men (See Drummond), and washed up coaching staff.)

No. You never never ever trade a DE, especially when he's going into his prime.

markk
04-17-2008, 11:53 AM
you will never get two firsts for him. you probably won't get one first... maybe in the lower part of the round. if we could get something #15-20 and another third or something I would pull the trigger.

Baby Lee
04-17-2008, 11:54 AM
**** this team. If this happens, I am rooting for the Bears. Plain and simple.
Where's Marty coaching next?

Mr. Plow
04-17-2008, 11:54 AM
I've never been a big Allen fan.....so, heh, whatever.

el borracho
04-17-2008, 11:57 AM
2 decades: Carl should be fired anyway.

you won't get any argument about that from me. Carl should have been gone with Vermeil, at the latest.

Brock
04-17-2008, 11:58 AM
Yet, that's the problem with the Chiefs. They don't take the bold moves. The risks. High risk, yet high reward.

WTF? This is a bold move.

DTLB58
04-17-2008, 11:58 AM
Anybody who thinks Allen has acted with maturity since his DUIs
are bullshitting themselves

Fill me in, what has he done that's not acting Mature?
Not arguing, just must have missed something.....

alpha_omega
04-17-2008, 11:58 AM
i don't like it.....at all!

beach tribe
04-17-2008, 11:59 AM
My Favorite Chiefs since the departure of DT to football heaven, followed closely by T- Rich, and Big Willie.

The only Jersey I've ever gotten besides DT.

I think I'm gonna be sick.

I ****in hate Carl.

BigRedChief
04-17-2008, 12:02 PM
Allen could be an ex-Chief soon

By ADAM TEICHER

The Kansas City Star
Jared Allen could soon be getting his wish.

The Minnesota Vikings and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have expressed an interest in acquiring the disgruntled Chiefs’ Pro Bowl defensive end, a source said. Allen, who led the NFL in sacks last season, has wanted out of Kansas City since negotiations for a long-term contract broke down last year.

Allen could be in Minnesota visiting with the Vikings as soon as Friday, the source said. A visit to Tampa could follow.

Allen had yet to discuss the particulars of a long-term contract with either the Vikings or Buccaneers. A bigger obstacle could be an agreement between either of the teams and the Chiefs on draft choice compensation.

Allen is the Chiefs’ franchise player. He is free to sign a contract offer sheet with any other team.

If he does, the Chiefs have the right to match the offer and retain Allen. If they decline to match, the Chiefs would receive two first-round draft picks in exchange.

It was unclear whether either Minnesota or Tampa Bay would be willing to part with two first-round picks in order to obtain Allen.

markk
04-17-2008, 12:02 PM
WTF? This is a bold move.

this isn't very surprising. they were at an impasse on the contract, he said he wanted out, its not surprising to see him traded because of that. it was 50/50 the whole time probably

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 12:06 PM
Fill me in, what has he done that's not acting Mature?
Not arguing, just must have missed something.....

Joke or not, showing up to a black-tie awards ceremony to accept the team MVP award wearing a tuxedo t-shirt does not scream maturity.

scott free
04-17-2008, 12:07 PM
Carl & Jared can BOTH suck my big 'ol chilli dog...i'm tired of Carls pennypinching ways & i'm tired of Jareds constant talk of leaving.

F#CK YOU BOTH.

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:07 PM
Carl should be fired immediately. He's a roadblock to signing the franchise's best player. Yeah, great ****ing general manager. AWESOME!

I'm so depressed. He rides a blazing saddle...off into the sunset. :(

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Tribal Warfare
04-17-2008, 12:09 PM
Carl should be fired immediately. He's a roadblock to signing the franchise's best player. Yeah, great ****ing general manager. AWESOME!


Will this be in the next issue of WarPaint? LMAO

DTLB58
04-17-2008, 12:09 PM
I don't know how I feel about this. More picks is great but that's a gaping hole in our defense. I hope we aren't targeting Gholston. Last thing we need is another liability in run D.

Peter King predicted in his column this week that if he had to pick a top selected player this year that was most likely a bust Gholston would be it because he is one dimensional.

Adept Havelock
04-17-2008, 12:11 PM
If he is traded, someone should post pictures here at the planet of his bars "draft day celebration"...if it's still standing by then, that is.

stevieray
04-17-2008, 12:13 PM
writing was already on the wall...I knew awhile back that he would never play another down for the Chiefs..

His bar will go under faster than a speeding bullet.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-17-2008, 12:14 PM
almost everyone is saying Glolston is gonna be a bust.

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:15 PM
Yeah, say, how come WPI isn't breaking this story?

Uh, we're not exactly Jay Glazer-league...

But yeah, there's your SHOCKING NEWS. Now lay off Nick for awhile.

suds79
04-17-2008, 12:15 PM
so is this the "big off-season news" that was suppose to be coming? :shake:

stonedstooge
04-17-2008, 12:15 PM
I still think its in the Master Plan for Carl and Herm to keep their jobs being in a rebuild mode for the next 5 to 7 years. Bunch of bullshit. Both should be gone. Next years team would have trouble beating an NAIA football team let alone a team that actually has some talent in the NFL. Funny a story about L.A. trying to get an NFL franchise was just on the news today or yesterday too. Might have the hand of the boy genius involved also.

Chris Meck
04-17-2008, 12:16 PM
I Love the old 'The Chiefs never make the bold move, the high risk/high reward' argument.

High risk, high reward...you mean like signing Bell? Or Law? Or a first for Trent Green? or moving up to take Gonzales? or thinking maybe Roaf had a couple of more seasons left in the tank even though N.O. had given up on him? Or taking a big chance on Siavii in the second? Or Taking Sims at #6 and betting we could keep him motivated?

No, we're not in this situation because we didn't take risks. We're here because the risks we took didn't pan out for the most part.

If Allen leaves it's because he doesn't want to be here. he feels he deserved the big money last year, DUI's or not. The Chiefs weren't willing to risk it. I'm no Carl Peterson fan, but in this case, I don't blame him.

Extra high draft picks are fine with me. All the better to get a defensive monster (ala Chris Long or Dorsey, or Ellis) at #5 and then get a Lt later in the first, maybe a RT in the second. Whatever. Let's get building.

JBucc
04-17-2008, 12:16 PM
If we trade for the Viking's first and third, we have the 5th, 17th, 35th, 66th, and 82nd in the first three rounds. Plus our bajillion late picks and that's a lot of potential talent.

Bowser
04-17-2008, 12:16 PM
Now watch us trade for Chad Johnson after we jettison Jared Allen.

Bacon Cheeseburger
04-17-2008, 12:17 PM
Jared has said he won't sign a contract with that stipulation in it. Which leads me to believe he doesn't believe in himself. If his drinking is "not a problem" then why not sign off on it?

If that's the case, **** him, let him go. Just as long as we fleece the team that he signs with..

Absolutely. I'm not sure if this is the actual sticking point with the whole deal, but if it is I have to take the unpopular route and side with Carl on it.

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 12:18 PM
If we trade for the Viking's first and third, we have the 5th, 17th, 35th, 66th, and 82nd in the first three rounds. Plus our bajillion late picks and that's a lot of potential talent.

Yep. I'll wait and see how this all pans out over the next 10 days before I start :deevee: and :cuss:.

Coogs
04-17-2008, 12:18 PM
Funny a story about L.A. trying to get an NFL franchise was just on the news today or yesterday


Didn't the Chiefs just sign a new lease that keeps them here for the next 25 years or so?

Hoover
04-17-2008, 12:19 PM
Uh, we're not exactly Jay Glazer-league...

But yeah, there's your SHOCKING NEWS. Now lay off Nick for awhile.
Posting a mock draft where he trades Allen for picks is far from scooping this story as Glazer did.

If he knew anything he would have done a story on it.

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:20 PM
Posting a mock draft where he trades Allen for picks is far from scooping this story as Glazer did.

If he knew anything he would have done a story on it.

I didn't say he knew anything. But there's your shocking news.

DTLB58
04-17-2008, 12:21 PM
Joke or not, showing up to a black-tie awards ceremony to accept the team MVP award wearing a tuxedo t-shirt does not scream maturity.

I had this event in mind when I was asking this, but I can't imagine this is part of a reason to trade the NFL's leading sacker. Pass rushing DE's are gold in the NFL it's one of those position you can just never have to many of.
See the Giants.

IDK, maybe someone that has a history with DUI's opening up a bar could be considered not the brightest idea but probably not imature.

I do understand the risk involved, with one more slip up and we possibly lose him for a whole year.

Maybe just a case of Herm getting rid of another DV left over??

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 12:22 PM
I Love the old 'The Chiefs never make the bold move, the high risk/high reward' argument.

High risk, high reward...you mean like signing Bell? Or Law? Or a first for Trent Green? or moving up to take Gonzales? or thinking maybe Roaf had a couple of more seasons left in the tank even though N.O. had given up on him? Or taking a big chance on Siavii in the second? Or Taking Sims at #6 and betting we could keep him motivated?

No, we're not in this situation because we didn't take risks. We're here because the risks we took didn't pan out for the most part.

If Allen leaves it's because he doesn't want to be here. he feels he deserved the big money last year, DUI's or not. The Chiefs weren't willing to risk it. I'm no Carl Peterson fan, but in this case, I don't blame him.

Extra high draft picks are fine with me. All the better to get a defensive monster (ala Chris Long or Dorsey, or Ellis) at #5 and then get a Lt later in the first, maybe a RT in the second. Whatever. Let's get building.That just about sums up my feelings on it.

It's not a done deal yet, and even if it is, I'd say it worth waiting to see how the draft falls so we have a better idea of the whole picture.

MOhillbilly
04-17-2008, 12:22 PM
How many more logs until the fire is considered an inferno?
you can pretty much start another hell.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 12:22 PM
I didn't say he knew anything. But there's your shocking news.Shocking news indeed. That he didn't know anything, I mean.

eazyb81
04-17-2008, 12:25 PM
I still think its in the Master Plan for Carl and Herm to keep their jobs being in a rebuild mode for the next 5 to 7 years. Bunch of bullshit. Both should be gone. Next years team would have trouble beating an NAIA football team let alone a team that actually has some talent in the NFL. Funny a story about L.A. trying to get an NFL franchise was just on the news today or yesterday too. Might have the hand of the boy genius involved also.

Agree with this. There's no way Carl would make a move like this when we're already going to be awful if he didn't have some assurances from up top that he would be safe for the next few years.

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:26 PM
Agree with this. There's no way Carl would make a move like this when we're already going to be awful if he didn't have some assurances from up top that he would be safe for the next few years.

Carl is retiring in two seasons anyway. He doesn't give a ****.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 12:26 PM
Maybe just a case of Herm getting rid of another DV left over??I think it's a case of a player who's pissed off at Carl, because he didn't re-do his contract last year. That's when all this "bad blood" bullshit started. For once, I tend to think Peterson did the right thing. I mean, expecting a big new contract when you're suspended for multiple DUIs? That doesn't strike me as very bright or very grounded in reality...

It was pretty clear before this offseason even started that Jared was not going to be cooperative.

DTLB58
04-17-2008, 12:27 PM
If we trade for the Viking's first and third, we have the 5th, 17th, 35th, 66th, and 82nd in the first three rounds. Plus our bajillion late picks and that's a lot of potential talent.

I like what Bill Parcells says about potential. It's just that potential. Means nothing.

NUMBER7
04-17-2008, 12:28 PM
:cuss: Now we can officially declare we are rebuilding. Oh Gee!

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:29 PM
Too bad Tony's contract makes him untradeable.

We'd probably be in better shape now if we had just moved Tony and LJ the last two years.

beach tribe
04-17-2008, 12:29 PM
I'd be willing to bet we get one good player, and a couple of Sims, and Siaviis out of this deal.

Maybe even another secret weapon. YESSSSSSSS!

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 12:30 PM
Too bad Tony's contract makes him untradeable.

We'd probably be in better shape now if we had just moved Tony and LJ the last two years.Yep.

beach tribe
04-17-2008, 12:30 PM
I like what Bill Parcells says about potential. It's just that potential. Means nothing.

Damn straight.

markk
04-17-2008, 12:31 PM
i agree with that. we never should have invested money into larry johnson. we should have kept allen (if that were possible) and traded johnson last year. running backs are easy to find and his value was at its peak.

but with the way things are now, we're stuck with larry johnson and moving jared allen makes sense. it sucsk that we got here but that's how it is.

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:31 PM
I'd be willing to bet we get one good player, and a couple of Sims, and Siaviis out of this deal.

Maybe even another secret weapon. YESSSSSSSS!

That would actually be a good thing. We'd get a total housecleaning if the brass at Arrowhead screws up this bounty of draft picks.

KCFalcon59
04-17-2008, 12:32 PM
I actually like this. I like JA, but if we can get a 1st and 2nd/3rd that gives us lots of options in the draft. The only bad thing is that Clark left Peterwards in charge of this all too important draft.

Adept Havelock
04-17-2008, 12:32 PM
I didn't say he knew anything. But there's your shocking news.

There's nothing shocking about the fact Nick doesn't know anything. ;)

Sure-Oz
04-17-2008, 12:36 PM
The only reason this happens is because Allen doesn't want to stay and they won't take the chance of a longterm deal considering he is a ****ing immature drunkass. He is still one of my favorite players and id really hate to see him go. He is the leader of this defense but it makes sense why they;d do this. LJ's deal does not make sense

stlchiefs
04-17-2008, 12:36 PM
I actually like this. I like JA, but if we can get a 1st and 2nd/3rd that gives us lots of options in the draft. The only bad thing is that Clark left Peterwards in charge of this all too important draft.

Options, potential, however you want to say it nothing is a guarantee, unlike a proven sack machine like Jared Allen.

Stryker
04-17-2008, 12:37 PM
The funniest thing about this is WHEN JA signs with another team and the smoke clears, what the reaction around here is going to be WHEN ESPN reports Allen was arrested for DUI in Minn or T.B.

BOY THEN THE ZEBRAS WILL SHOW THEIR STRIPES!

I really do not give a rats ass whether JA stays or goes. I think he will always be a risk and the bar openning fortifies that. If we have more picks this year then this seems to be a great opportunity to capitalize considering this years draft. This team should be in great shape for next years draft and by 2010 have a team in place that is a contender. I do not like Carl Peterson at all but, this seems to be in the best intrest for CP and JA.

Thanks for the memories and good luck!

Hey, at least it is an NFC team.

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:42 PM
If we go 2-14, will that be enough to get all the morons running the franchise fired? You think? Maybe? Or is Clark drinking all their koolaid?

At least I found my wallet today. I was afraid someone was gonna run up my credit card.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2008, 12:42 PM
There's nothing shocking about the fact Nick doesn't know anything. ;)Exactly. Shit, I can remember speculating on this exact same thing. That's also why I started a thread about JAs commercial, specifically targeting the draft-it just seemed like a jab to the Chiefs.

KCFalcon59
04-17-2008, 12:43 PM
Options, potential, however you want to say it nothing is a guarantee, unlike a proven sack machine like Jared Allen.

Absolutely. But the chiefs suck and will continue to suck for a couple years or more. Might as well see if we can get more quality players (ok stop laughing) to hasten the rebuild.

bowener
04-17-2008, 12:44 PM
So what happens if we match the Vikings or Bucs contract offer? Will that piss Ja off, or will he even have room to be pissed since we will have just dumped a mountain of money on him?

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:46 PM
So what happens if we match the Vikings or Bucs contract offer? Will that piss Ja off, or will he even have room to be pissed since we will have just dumped a mountain of money on him?

Once you trade a guy, he's gone. There's no "matching of contract offers."

Rooster
04-17-2008, 12:47 PM
I can see Jared getting his big payday and then becoming fat and happy like any other pro athlete. We might as well let someone else pay him and get some young guys that don't cost as much. We already have a fat and happy running back getting paid. :mad:

Chiefmanwillcatch
04-17-2008, 12:47 PM
Jared Allen wants a blockbuster deal with mega signing bonus.

Thats the holdup. He doesn't hate Peterson.

bowener
04-17-2008, 12:48 PM
Once you trade a guy, he's gone. There's no "matching of contract offers."

I thought we franchised him or whatever.

Sure-Oz
04-17-2008, 12:48 PM
IF Allen wasn't such a dumbass this wouldn't be an issue. Be nice if his ass could call a cab and not get a 2nd DUI...

He brought this upon himself anyway, and carl still is a pos and i hope hes gone soon.

I just hope what picks we get out of him are quality picks

Sure-Oz
04-17-2008, 12:49 PM
I thought we franchised him or whatever.

We did, but they are in TRADE negotiations...it won't matter when he is officially traded for whatever compensation they get.

tiptap
04-17-2008, 12:49 PM
I say pull the trigger if we get a 1st and 2nd pick this year or two 1st picks. Minn pick next year won't be that high. You still pick Dorsey or Ellis but if left with DE picks take Long. And then get a OT at the Minn pick. You have two players who you know will be playing (whether they are good or not will be seen) for JA. If we were a playoff team JA would be a difference maker (as to Minnesota). To a poor team two players of need beats one DE as far as overall team play. A GOOD DT will make the DE's left look better. \

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:49 PM
Jared Allen wants a blockbuster deal with mega signing bonus.

Thats the holdup. He doesn't hate Peterson.

You have no idea. He hates Peterson more than KC-area cops. The bridge has been irrevocably burned to ash.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 12:50 PM
I thought we franchised him or whatever.We did, but this is a trade scenario, not a scenario where we're talking about exercising right of first refusal on a contract offer from another franchse. We're actively shopping him...

DaKCMan AP
04-17-2008, 12:50 PM
I thought we franchised him or whatever.

No team is going to sign him to an offer sheet. That would require 2 #1's as compensation. Instead, they work out compensation with us (less than 2 #1's), gain the rights to the player and then sign him to a new deal.

LOCOChief
04-17-2008, 12:51 PM
JA's a timebomb, he has been unreasonable throughout this thing. He's a hell of a DE, but there is no way he can't be replaced, and I would be suprised if he ever repeats last seasons performance. Let's get a 1 and 2 = QB/DE and OT and get this thing going!

Frazod
04-17-2008, 12:52 PM
You have no idea. He hates Peterson more than KC-area cops. The bridge has been irrevocably burned to ash.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who doesn't hate Peterson who isn't named Hunt or Peterson.

bowener
04-17-2008, 12:52 PM
We did, but they are in TRADE negotiations...it won't matter when he is officially traded for whatever compensation they get.

Ohhh. Ok, thank you. I am and idiot.

InChiefsHell
04-17-2008, 12:53 PM
How long does JA have to go without getting into trouble for people to friggin' lay off of that stupid excuse? I mean, the last time he got busted was in 2006...jeeez people...

tiptap
04-17-2008, 12:53 PM
Considering that we KNOW we are rebuilding and the Hunts are already out money for the stadium, It makes financial sense to save money now and get picks. Build toward tomorrow and such.

beach tribe
04-17-2008, 12:53 PM
Jared Allen wants a blockbuster deal with mega signing bonus.

Thats the holdup. He doesn't hate Peterson.

Actually, I'd imagine both are true. He has put his didlike, and dissrespect of Carl out there.

Chiefs Pantalones
04-17-2008, 12:53 PM
If this happens, I will take a leave of absence of being a Chiefs fan.

Having a young stud like Allen is how you build a team. You don't get rid of your young big time players to rebuild. That doesn't make sense. But that is the Chiefs way...always doing the wrong thing.

We built with having a young defensive stud in Derrick Thomas. I compare him with Allen, but Allen is much more diverse in his play and can do more than rush the passer.

You don't trade aways guys like this. I don't care what you can get for them in return. Re-sign him.

dirk digler
04-17-2008, 12:54 PM
We're actually an expansion team.

There will be college teams that could be beat our ass.

Anyway this sucks big time JA was one if not the only premier player on this team.

BigChiefFan
04-17-2008, 12:55 PM
What's funny is didn't CLARK say priority one was to get JA signed to a long-term deal?

Sure-Oz
04-17-2008, 12:55 PM
Ohhh. Ok, thank you. I am and idiot.

I assume a sign and trade? Not sure how it will work but he's gone regardless

Sure-Oz
04-17-2008, 12:56 PM
What's funny is didn't CLARK say priority one was to get JA signed to a long-term deal?

I think, not sure, but....he is a risk, he may never drink and drive again, but can we trust him? Hindsight we get ****ed if he does and get nothing...too bad we couldn't have traded LJ too

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:56 PM
What's funny is didn't CLARK say priority one was to get JA signed to a long-term deal?

Yep. Clark should've given Carl an ultimatum - sign Allen or get the hell out.

bowener
04-17-2008, 12:56 PM
I want to place an HIV infected thumbtack on King Carls throne and laugh heartily as he sits and winces in pain. Not for any particular reason either, just because he is CP.

Chiefnj2
04-17-2008, 12:56 PM
I wish fans would stop acting like they really care about how much it would cost to sign Allen.

As long as he signs a deal that is semi-friendly to the cap, do you really give a crap how much money the Hunts pay him? **** the ambivalent SOB ownership and their oil money. $4.00 a gallon, they'll be just fine paying Allen 30 mil guaranteed.

Do you think the Chargers will let Merriman get away since he is "one strike away"?

Lets accumulate draft picks so that when the team develops them for 3-4 years and they play at an all pro level they can be traded away! Brilliant.

bowener
04-17-2008, 12:57 PM
What's funny is didn't CLARK say priority one was to get JA signed to a long-term deal?

well.............. techincally he never said, "to the Chiefs."

dirk digler
04-17-2008, 12:58 PM
Yep. Clark should've given Carl an ultimatum - sign Allen or get the hell out.

I agree Clark is a gutless tool..at least so far he is anyways

Sure-Oz
04-17-2008, 12:58 PM
I want to place an HIV infected thumbtack on King Carls throne and laugh heartily as he sits and winces in pain. Not for any particular reason either, just because he is CP.

Coooold bloooded

Count Zarth
04-17-2008, 12:59 PM
I agree Clark is a gutless tool..at least so far he is anyways

I wouldn't say that. He's too nice...just like the rest of the guys running this show. Herm is also too nice. We have no cutthroats...oh, we have one. But he's an incompetent cutthroat who places his own ego above winning.

bowener
04-17-2008, 12:59 PM
I wish fans would stop acting like they really care about how much it would cost to sign Allen.

As long as he signs a deal that is semi-friendly to the cap, do you really give a crap how much money the Hunts pay him? **** the ambivalent SOB ownership and their oil money. $4.00 a gallon, they'll be just fine paying Allen 30 mil guaranteed.

Do you think the Chargers will let Merriman get away since he is "one strike away"?

Lets accumulate draft picks so that when the team develops them for 3-4 years and they play at an all pro level they can be traded away! Brilliant.

I cant rep you, I used up my mojo. but here: REP.
If upshaw has is way after this agreement runs out we will not have a cap anymore... I maight be wrong on that though.

MVChiefFan
04-17-2008, 12:59 PM
I'm a DIE HARD Chiefs fan. Always have been. I never miss a snap and have even shown signs of "homeristic tendencies" but whether this trade is good or bad is starting to make no difference to me. I'm just really sick of how this organization is ran. All I can say is, GO ROYALS!!! At least they have some sort of direction.