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alnorth
04-17-2008, 07:06 PM
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Loss, (1-2) Brett Tomko 7IP 5R 5ER 1BB 3K
Ron Mahay 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

VS.

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Win, (2-2) Jon Garland 6.1IP 2R 2ER 3BB 1K
Hold, (4) Justin Speier 0.2IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Hold, (3) Scot Shields 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Save, (6) Francisco "K-Rod" Rodriguez 1IP 1R 1ER 0BB 2K

Starting Lineups

KC

1. David DeJesus, CF
1. Joey Gathright, CF
1. Miguel Olivo, ph
2. Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
3. Mark Teahen, LF
4. Billy Butler, DH
5. Jose Guillen, RF
6. Alex Gordon, 3B
7. Ross Gload, 1B
8. John Buck, C
9. Tony Pena Jr, SS
9. Alberto Callaspo, ph/SS

LAA

1. Chone Figgins, 3B
2. Gary Matthews Jr, RF
3. Garret Anderson, LF
4. Torii Hunter, CF
5. Casey Kotchman, 1B
6. Maicer Izturis, 2B
7. Juan Rivera, DH
8. Jeff Mathis, C
9. Erick Aybar, SS

alnorth
04-17-2008, 07:08 PM
Shouldn't there be a rule that you must be in the same county as the city you are named for? How the f*** can you be the LA Angels when you play in Orange County?

Kraus
04-17-2008, 07:28 PM
Hey alnorth is back making threads! Welcome back.

KcMizzou
04-17-2008, 07:38 PM
Hey alnorth is back making threads! Welcome back.Might need him tonight.

Gotta keep Tomko's good mojo flowin'.

VonneMarie
04-17-2008, 07:42 PM
Let's try to keep the base running blunders to a minimum tonight.

Kraus
04-17-2008, 07:47 PM
Or try to score more than 6 runs.

Bowser
04-17-2008, 07:51 PM
Let's kick some left coast ass tonight!

alnorth
04-17-2008, 08:08 PM
Top 1st

DeJesus strikes out (swinging)
Grudzielanek grounds out to second
Teahen grounds out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 1st

Figgins grounds out to second
Matthews Jr grounds out to second
Anderson grounds out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

chiefbowe82
04-17-2008, 08:13 PM
tomko any good?

KcMizzou
04-17-2008, 08:14 PM
tomko any good?Not supposed to be, really... but he's had a nice start this season.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 08:16 PM
Top 2nd

Butler grounds out to third
Guillen grounds out to second
Gordon singles to left
Gload grounds out to shortstop

0 runs, 1 hit

Bottom 2nd

Hunter grounds out to third
Kotchman flies out to left
Izturis flies out to center

0 runs, 0 hits

Adept Havelock
04-17-2008, 08:17 PM
An alnorth Royals thread! :clap:

May your mojo be strong.

Bowser
04-17-2008, 08:18 PM
Hey Al, I think your computer is locking up. It shows everyone grounding out to second.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 08:26 PM
Hey Al, I think your computer is locking up. It shows everyone grounding out to second.

I'll try to fix it in the 3rd inning.

chiefbowe82
04-17-2008, 08:29 PM
I'm calling a no hitter

alnorth
04-17-2008, 08:32 PM
Top 3rd

Buck walks
Pena Jr grounds out to second, Buck to second
DeJesus singles to center, Buck scores
Grudzielanek grounds into a 5-4-3 double play, DeJesus out at second

1 run, 1 hit

Bottom 3rd

Rivera singles to left
Mathis fouls out to first
Aybar reaches on a 6-4 fielder's choice, Rivera out at second
Figgins singles to right, Aybar to third
Matthews Jr walks, Figgins to second
Anderson doubles to center, Matthews Jr, Figgins, and Aybar scores
Hunter strikes out (swinging)

3 runs, 3 hits

VonneMarie
04-17-2008, 08:35 PM
Top 3rd

Buck walks
Automatic Out
DeJesus

LMAO

ChiTown
04-17-2008, 08:53 PM
gawddamnit

3 run double. ****!

alnorth
04-17-2008, 08:57 PM
Top 4th

Teahen flies out to center
Butler walks
Guillen doubles to left, Butler scores
Guillen to third on a Wild Pitch
Gordon walks
Gload fouls out to third
Gordon caught stealing 2-4, out at second

1 run, 1 hit

Bottom 4th

Joey Gathright replaces DeJesus in CF

Kotchman grounds out to shortstop
Izturis grounds out to shortstop
Rivera grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

VonneMarie
04-17-2008, 08:58 PM
Game over.

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 09:01 PM
Game over.

?

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 09:03 PM
haha why didnt they try to throw out butler? he is so incredibly slow.

wazu
04-17-2008, 09:03 PM
Nice. Maybe it's true what they say: "Jose Guillen, while worthless and weak when not on steroids, can still serve a purpose."

VonneMarie
04-17-2008, 09:05 PM
?

Mojo. ;)

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 09:13 PM
what the holy **** was that, gordon?

Fish
04-17-2008, 09:14 PM
Why the hell do we keep doing that?

I like aggressive baserunning, but damn... they're just waitin for it.....

Demonpenz
04-17-2008, 09:14 PM
i think they were trying a double steal gordon get in a rundown then runner from third go home didn't quite work

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 09:16 PM
i wish my name was kotchman

alnorth
04-17-2008, 09:20 PM
Top 5th

Buck flies out to left
Pena Jr pops out to shortstop
Gathright grounds out to third

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 5th

Mathis doubles to left
Aybar doubles to right, Mathis scores
Figgins grounds out to first, Aybar to third
Matthews Jr reaches on a 4-2 fielder's choice, Aybar safe at home and scores
Anderson flies out to right
Matthews Jr to second on a Wild Pitch
Hunter grounds out to third

2 runs, 2 hits

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 09:27 PM
dejesus is taken out again. wtf.

OmahaChief
04-17-2008, 09:28 PM
dejesus is taken out again. wtf.

Pulled Labia from what I heard on radio.

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 09:30 PM
Pulled Labia from what I heard on radio.

ROFL

OmahaChief
04-17-2008, 09:32 PM
I think tonight is more like what we should expect from Tomko. Get used to this if Tomko stays in the rotation.

VonneMarie
04-17-2008, 09:36 PM
Gme over!

Seriously this time.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 09:38 PM
I hate that "Really Bad Innings" woman on the Tompkin's radio ad with the fury of a thousand suns.

No one is that damned stupid.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 09:39 PM
Top 6th

Grudzielanek fouls out to first
Teahen singles to left
Butler singles to center, Teahen to second
Guillen grounds into a 6-4-3 double play, Butler out at second

0 runs, 2 hits

Bottom 6th

Kotchman grounds out to second
Izturis flies out to left
Rivera grounds out to second

0 runs, 0 hits

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 09:54 PM
LOL they just said dejesus was taken out because he jammed his toe.

kcchiefsus
04-17-2008, 09:54 PM
Once we get behind I have absolutely no faith in the ability of this team to get back into the game due to our absolutely horrible offense. It's kind of hard to decide whether then Chiefs or Royals have the worse offense.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 09:57 PM
Top 7th

Gordon flies out to center
Gload singles to center
Buck singles to center, Gload to second

Justin Speier relieves Garland

Alberto Callaspo bats for Pena Jr

Callaspo flies out to center
Gathright singles to left, Buck to second, Gload to third
Grudzielanek grounds into an unassisted fielder's choice to third, Buck out at third

0 runs, 3 hits

Bottom 7th

Callaspo comes in at SS

Mathis grounds out to shortstop
Aybar bunts an infield single to third
Figgins strikes out (looking)
Matthews Jr strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 1 hit

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:02 PM
Once we get behind I have absolutely no faith in the ability of this team to get back into the game due to our absolutely horrible offense. It's kind of hard to decide whether then Chiefs or Royals have the worse offense.

definitely the chiefs. the royals have been struggling, but i think they will pick it up.

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:08 PM
holy smokes this team leaves a lot of runners on base.

SPchief
04-17-2008, 10:08 PM
:banghead:

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 10:10 PM
definitely the chiefs. the royals have been struggling, but i think they will pick it up.They're hitting above .270 as a team, it's hard to hit that well and not score. It'll all even out in time.

kcchiefsus
04-17-2008, 10:10 PM
Surprise, surprise, surprise. We strand some more runners. What a bunch of pansies.

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:11 PM
wow, nice play by callaspo. maybe they dont need pena out there after all?

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:12 PM
They're hitting above .270 as a team, it's hard to hit that well and not score. It'll all even out in time.

Even when they're mostly singles? Guillen seems to be picking it up, but this team desperately needs Butler and Gordon to start driving the ball consistently.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:13 PM
wow, nice play by callaspo. maybe they dont need pena out there after all?

Pena = average ML SS. To be as bad as he is at the plate, he needs to be the second coming of Omar Visquel in the field.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 10:16 PM
Even when they're mostly singles? Guillen seems to be picking it up, but this team desperately needs Butler and Gordon to start driving the ball consistently.They're never going to be a three-run homer kind of team, at least not this year. They need to do a better job of bunching their hits and they need to stop making outs on the basepads.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:18 PM
They're never going to be a three-run homer kind of team, at least not this year. They need to do a better job of bunching their hits and they need to stop making outs on the basepads.

I emphatically agree with the latter, but a ML team MUST show more pop than this team. Sure, in an ideal world teams bunch hits, but realistically the ball has to leave the park more frequently. I'm not asking (or expecting) Tigers or Yankees power, just average.
For that matter, I don't want a big, slow team that waits around for the big fly, a la Weaver ball.

Kraus
04-17-2008, 10:19 PM
Swinging at first pitches all the time also seems to still be a problem.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 10:20 PM
Top 8th

Scot Shields relieves Speier

Teahen strikes out (swinging)
Butler grounds out to shortstop
Guillen strikes out (swinging)

0 runs, 0 hits

Bottom 8th

Ron Mahay relieves Tomko

Anderson singles to center
Hunter grounds into a 6-4-3 double play, Anderson out at second
Kotchman doubles to center
Izturis strikes out (foul tip)

0 runs, 2 hits

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:22 PM
I was wondering how embarrassed Pena was last night when Gload, Gload, is intentionally walked twice to get to the 9 hole. It was the right move for LA, but I can't say I've seen this so early in a season, at least in recent memory.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 10:22 PM
I emphatically agree with the latter, but a ML team MUST show more pop than this team. Sure, in an ideal world teams bunch hits, but realistically the ball has to leave the park more frequently. I'm not asking (or expecting) Tigers or Yankees power, just average.I'm not speaking to what they should or shouldn't do, I'm speaking to what they can do. There isn't a guy on this roster right now who's capable of hitting 30 homers in 2008. It's a pragmatic statement: they have the pop that they have, and that just isn't very much...

So they have to get timely hits, and manufacture runs. That's the only way they're going to score.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:24 PM
I'm not speaking to what they should or shouldn't do, I'm speaking to what they can do. There isn't a guy on this roster right now who's capable of hitting 30 homers in 2008. It's a pragmatic statement: they have the pop that they have, and that just isn't very much...

So they have to get timely hits, and manufacture runs. That's the only way they're going to score.

Yeah, but Gordon and Butler are supposed to be 25-30 hr guys, that's the rub, and you're right that this doesn't look like this will be the case, at least for now.

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:27 PM
what a horrible swing. guillen is so awful.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah, but Gordon and Butler are supposed to be 25-30 hr guys, that's the rub, and you're right that this doesn't look like this will be the case, at least for now.I don't think there were many people who projected either one of them as 25-30 HR guys this year. The general consensus as far as I know (and I agreed with it) was that Gordon might be a 20 HR guy this year, while Butler would probably be lucky to top 15. Power takes time to develop, and Butler, in particular, is very, very young.

Two or three or four years down the line, one or both of them might threaten Balboni. It would be a big, big surprise if it happened sooner, I think.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:32 PM
I don't think there were many people who projected either one of them as 25-30 HR guys this year. The general consensus as far as I know (and I agreed with it) was that Gordon might be a 20 HR guy this year, while Butler would probably be lucky to top 15. Power takes time to develop, and Butler, in particular, is very, very young.

Two or three or four years down the line, one or both of them might threaten Balboni. It would be a big, big surprise if it happened sooner, I think.

That sounds reasonable, particularly for Butler. It's easy to forget how young he is because he has such a disciplined approach at the plate. But I believe Dayton has about 13 mil that says one player on this team should be sniffing 30 hr.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 10:34 PM
I understand that we'll struggle a bit to hit, but I refuse to believe our offense will be this awful all year. Its got to even out, hopefully without "evening out" our pitching.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:37 PM
When one thinks about things "evening out," my sense of this is that the individual is really talking about a player having bad hitting luck--hitting lots of balls hard, but right at people. This has largely not been the case with the Royals, however, and this is what gives me pause. What hitter fits this description? Teahen tonight? Gordon a few games? Who else?

It's earily similar to watching the Chiefs.

alnorth
04-17-2008, 10:37 PM
Somebody get that fake rally monkey ready to go.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 10:38 PM
That sounds reasonable, particularly for Butler. It's easy to forget how young he is because he has such a disciplined approach at the plate. But I believe Dayton has about 13 mil that says one player on this team should be sniffing 30 hr.Well, his 11 years in the league tell us he's not a 30 HR guy...

25 and 100 out of him and we're golden. He's actually part of the reason I expect more runs as the season progresses. He likely won't be under .200 (or .250 for that matter) all year...

alnorth
04-17-2008, 10:38 PM
Top 9th

Francisco Rodriguez relieves Shields

Gordon singles to right
Gload strikes out (swinging)
Buck hits an infield single to third, Gordon to second
Callaspo singles to left, Buck to second, Gordon scores

Miguel Olivo bats for Gathright

Olivo pops out to first
Grudzielanek strikes out (swinging) 2-3

1 run, 3 hits

Angels win, 5-3

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:40 PM
Well, his 11 years in the league tell us he's not a 30 HR guy...

25 and 100 out of him and we're golden. He's actually part of the reason I expect more runs as the season progresses. He likely won't be under .200 (or .250 for that matter) all year...

Right, but he should sniff it, which was my point. I think 20 HR, given the investment, would be disappointing. More importantly, he needs to be in triple digits for RBI's.

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:46 PM
here we go. rally time.

SPchief
04-17-2008, 10:46 PM
Rally Monkey!!!!!

alnorth
04-17-2008, 10:47 PM
Rally Monkey!!!!!

Where is he?!

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:50 PM
why the **** did olivo pinch hit for gathright?

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:53 PM
why the **** did olivo pinch hit for gathright?

Because Gathright can't hit for shit? :shrug:

Ari Chi3fs
04-17-2008, 10:54 PM
Tomko sucks

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:55 PM
Because Gathright can't hit for shit? :shrug:

he hit .307 last year. that is hardly "can't hit for shit."

Nzoner
04-17-2008, 10:58 PM
24 base hits in two days and 6 total runs to show for it,if these guys ever start scoring we could be in for a helluva fun ride.

thurman merman
04-17-2008, 10:58 PM
on the bright side, the white sox, tigers, and twins all lost tonight too.

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 10:59 PM
he hit .307 last year. that is hardly "can't hit for shit."

If a team needs a slap hit to the right side, Gathright's the man. His average last year reflects limited opportunities; I don't think there's any way he comes close to that this year.

Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of his. He doesn't even have gap power, and when a team brings in the infield and guards the lines in the outfield, it becomes very tough for Gathright to place a ball.

keg in kc
04-17-2008, 11:03 PM
Right, but he should sniff it, which was my point. I think 20 HR, given the investment, would be disappointing. More importantly, he needs to be in triple digits for RBI's.Well, I'm not sure we can judge players given big contracts by KC in the same light as other players in the league making the same kind of money. It takes 13 million to get an 8 or 9 million dollar guy here, that's just reality at this point. It was the same thing last year with Meche, we just happened to be real fortunate with him, and he exceeded the expectations of pretty much everyone.

Weird as it sounds, when the team gets better, moving forward, Guillen probably won't be a cornerstone, no matter what his contract is. Oh, he'll be in the outfield, but I bet you he's batting 6th by the time he's done here, just like Meche should (hopefully) be our 4th starter by the time his contract's done (in the rotation with Hochevar, Bannister, Grienke and Cortes).

DeezNutz
04-17-2008, 11:07 PM
Well, I'm not sure we can judge players given big contracts by KC in the same light as other players in the league making the same kind of money. It takes 13 million to get an 8 or 9 million dollar guy here, that's just reality at this point. It was the same thing last year with Meche, we just happened to be real fortunate with him, and he exceeded the expectations of pretty much everyone.

Weird as it sounds, when the team gets better, moving forward, Guillen probably won't be a cornerstone, no matter what his contract is. Oh, he'll be in the outfield, but I bet you he's batting 6th by the time he's done here, just like Meche should (hopefully) be our 4th starter by the time his contract's done (in the rotation with Hochevar, Bannister, Grienke and Cortes).

No argument with any of that. Gets back to my complaint about the Hunter negotiations last off season. For KC to land this caliber of player, at this time, we have to be the ones who come in with the offer that blows away the player. We made a good run, but were perhaps too value conscious. We can't afford to spend for spending sake, but, in some cases, we have to realize we're going to have to over-spend.

SithCeNtZ
04-17-2008, 11:23 PM
No argument with any of that. Gets back to my complaint about the Hunter negotiations last off season. For KC to land this caliber of player, at this time, we have to be the ones who come in with the offer that blows away the player. We made a good run, but were perhaps too value conscious. We can't afford to spend for spending sake, but, in some cases, we have to realize we're going to have to over-spend.


Maybe, but there is about a 85% chance the Hunter deal blows up in the Angels' faces. His defense is going to decline as he gets up there in age and he hasn't exactly been the model of perfect health even in his prime. Even if we give him the exact same deal the Angles gave him, we are risking a ton by having him clog up our payroll for the next 5 years. The beauty of Guillen's deal is that it is only 3 years and even if the last 2 years of the deal don't quite work out it doesn't really harm us. We can afford to eat a year or two of a deal, but we can't afford to eat 3 or 4 like we would most likely have to do with Hunter. If I had to guess, I'd bet the Royals balking point was the length of the deal and not the per year dollar sum. It seems like a wise move to me.