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John_Wayne
04-18-2008, 07:06 AM
Under the new philosophy of the Chiefs....... why not?! :shake:

-- sarcasm

Clarification: An LJ trade would be stupid. The JA trade is stupid.

Count Zarth
04-18-2008, 07:06 AM
For the 100th time Larry is untradeable due to his contract.

DaKCMan AP
04-18-2008, 07:07 AM
:rolleyes:

I know I shouldn't even respond to this retard, but no team is going to trade for LJ.

Swanman
04-18-2008, 07:21 AM
Besides the fact that LJ is not tradeable, I would rather have Rashard Mendenhall than McFadden. McFadden has chicken legs.

tiptap
04-18-2008, 07:24 AM
Aren't we really talking about the merits of JA trade in comparison? Again.

Reerun_KC
04-18-2008, 07:39 AM
LJ is damaged goods thanks to Herm...

His value isnt worth the assloaded contract that we are forking over for him...


This so reminds me of the Royals.. trade away Beltran, Damon, etc.... But keep Mike "I am a big pussy and always hurt" Sweeney...

God it sucks being a KC fan sometimes...

Mile High Mania
04-18-2008, 07:41 AM
If they're gonna blow it up... blow it up.

Trade LJ for a couple of picks... take a guy like Felix Jones or Mendenhall, just load up for the future.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2008, 07:43 AM
If we could get a first round pick, plus something else worth something....fine. I'm not sure we can though.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-18-2008, 07:51 AM
Some people on here just dont understand how the salary cap works. LJ is untradeable, if we traded him we be losing more money than we would if we kept him and paid him. So it wouldnt makes sense at all from the chiefs standpoint to trade him.

Delano
04-18-2008, 08:04 AM
Besides the fact that LJ is not tradeable, I would rather have Rashard Mendenhall than McFadden. McFadden has chicken legs.

My thoughts exactly.

It's fun to think about.

Mendenhall and Kolby Smith would be a nice one-two combination.

Mr. Kotter
04-18-2008, 08:08 AM
Some people on here just dont understand how the salary cap works. LJ is untradeable, if we traded him we be losing more money than we would if we kept him and paid him. So it wouldnt makes sense at all from the chiefs standpoint to trade him.

Most of us know, with the salary cap....they'd take a hit....but Hunt has more money than he knows what to do with.

With the injury last year, it's hard to know for sure....but LJ was becoming more of a pain in the ass than he was worth. While I don't expect it, if they are blowing this whole thing up, then....cutting your losses, and getting some compensation.....while ditching a growing locker room cancer.....would not be unthinkable.

TEX
04-18-2008, 08:14 AM
Besides the fact that LJ is not tradeable, I would rather have Rashard Mendenhall than McFadden. McFadden has chicken legs.

So did Dickerson...

TEX
04-18-2008, 08:16 AM
A year too late to trade L J.

Bowser
04-18-2008, 08:21 AM
LJ is a Chief for at least another 4 years.

boogblaster
04-18-2008, 08:25 AM
LJ is here ... hopefully we can shore-up the OL so he can rumble again ... he has to have a hole to run thru.. he can't cut fast enough.. he strickly downhill ....

xbarretx
04-18-2008, 08:35 AM
Most of us know, with the salary cap....they'd take a hit....but Hunt has more money than he knows what to do with.

With the injury last year, it's hard to know for sure....but LJ was becoming more of a pain in the ass than he was worth. While I don't expect it, if they are blowing this whole thing up, then....cutting your losses, and getting some compensation.....while ditching a growing locker room cancer.....would not be unthinkable.

Rep!

p.s. i like LJ but if we can do better then why not :shrug:

JBucc
04-18-2008, 08:37 AM
Even is somehow we magically traded LJ for a 3rd rounder we still probably wouldn't be able to get McFadden unless we traded up with the Raiders.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 08:39 AM
I bet we trade LJ and Tony G sooner than most people suspect.

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 08:44 AM
Wait a minute, couldn't this be more doable now than ever before?

Remember, the signing bonus is spent, the Hunts are not out anything extra by trading LJ. The only thing that happens is the accounting measure of accelerating LJ's cap hit against the cap.

So maybe that's exactly what we're trying to do. Trade JA to clear cap space that allows us to take that entire LJ hit this season. We'll deal LJ for a 3rd or something and swallow the accelerated cap hit this season.

Suddenly LJ is tradeable. His contract isn't great for us, but with the signing bonus already paid by the Chiefs, his base compensation and annual salary isn't unreasonable for another team. In fact, it's especially palatable for a team that won't have to pay the signing bonus.

In light of that, I think we could not only deal LJ, but get a decent return for him. It's a lost season, the FA class was !@#$%....the only purpose behind this season was to shed dead weight. Wouldn't now be the perfect time to take that shot?

Unfortunately, I don't think Carl is that clever.

Chiefnj2
04-18-2008, 08:46 AM
With the rookie salary cap you'd never be able to sign all the guys.

vailpass
04-18-2008, 09:10 AM
LJ is all urine.

Mr. Laz
04-18-2008, 09:25 AM
Under the new philosophy of the Chiefs....... why not?! :shake:

what party of "signing bonus" don't you understand?


jeebus ..... how many times does it have to be said, the Chiefs have already paid LJ a huge signing bonus.

he's not going anywhere

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 09:37 AM
what party of "signing bonus" don't you understand?


jeebus ..... how many times does it have to be said, the Chiefs have already paid LJ a huge signing bonus.

he's not going anywhere

What part of "Sunk Costs" don't you understand?

LJ is not part of the solution. As such, you consider this an expensive lesson learned (don't give huge money to hood-rat malcontents), bite the bullet and move on with the process of rebuilding this team.

Mr. Laz
04-18-2008, 09:39 AM
What part of "Sunk Costs" don't you understand?

LJ is not part of the solution. As such, you consider this an expensive lesson learned (don't give huge money to hood-rat malcontents), bite the bullet and move on with the process of rebuilding this team.
says the guy who didn't just fork out 10+ million dollars.......




awfully quick flushing someone else's cash down the drain there, aren't ya bucko?!?

John_Wayne
04-18-2008, 09:50 AM
Aren't we really talking about the merits of JA trade in comparison? Again. Yes. Exactly. I was being sarcastic and making a point that the JA trade is stupid. Sorry. I guess I'll make my points on a 5th grade level from now on to satisfy the masses.

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 09:54 AM
says the guy who didn't just fork out 10+ million dollars.......




awfully quick flushing someone else's cash down the drain there, aren't ya bucko?!?


It's spent! It's a sunk cost!

The Hunts flushed their own money when they signed off on the extension. Now it's time to make this team better. Larry Johnson ran rich last season, wouldn't hit holes, caused trouble...was pretty much useless. His attitude is hurting this club.

If trading him for a 2nd rounder would make this team better, then it's not flushing anything. I think getting out from under his deal, getting him off this roster, and possibly picking up a 1st day pick would make us better. As such, I think its a move worth considering.

Bowser
04-18-2008, 09:56 AM
It's spent! It's a sunk cost!

The Hunts flushed their own money when they signed off on the extension. Now it's time to make this team better. Larry Johnson ran rich last season, wouldn't hit holes, caused trouble...was pretty much useless. His attitude is hurting this club.

If trading him for a 2nd rounder would make this team better, then it's not flushing anything. I think getting out from under his deal, getting him off this roster, and possibly picking up a 1st day pick would make us better. As such, I think its a move worth considering.

OK, you're the GM of a team that has a need at running back. Would you send KC a second round pick for LJ, if it meant your team had to absorb the remainder of that huge ass contract the Chiefs signed him to just last season?

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 10:05 AM
OK, you're the GM of a team that has a need at running back. Would you send KC a second round pick for LJ, if it meant your team had to absorb the remainder of that huge ass contract the Chiefs signed him to just last season?

Remember, the huge ass contract is just the signing bonus.

Sure, the rest of the salary his hardly chicken feed, but at that point you can cut him. There's no more guaranteed money to accelerate against your cap if you're the acquiring team.

The contract is not unreasonable when you consider the fact that the signing bonus is taken out. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't work out and you cut him. You're now out a 2nd rounder.

I would venture that most teams would be willing to take that gamble.

Mr. Laz
04-18-2008, 10:22 AM
OK, you're the GM of a team that has a need at running back. Would you send KC a second round pick for LJ, if it meant your team had to absorb the remainder of that huge ass contract the Chiefs signed him to just last season?
but a large part of the contract the new team wouldn't have to pay ..... the signing bonus.

the new team could restructure LJ's deal with impunity because they have no signing bonus tied up.

it's the Chiefs that get screwed by buying a car and then giving it away.

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 10:28 AM
but a large part of the contract the new team wouldn't have to pay ..... the signing bonus.

the new team could restructure LJ's deal with impunity because they have no signing bonus tied up.

it's the Chiefs that get screwed by buying a car and then giving it away.

This team isn't getting screwed...it GOT screwed. It's done...over, we made the big mistake already by giving the guy the deal. Now it's time to salvage it. If you do a dumb thing and buy a $100K lemon, you don't let it sit in your garage b/c you paid a lot for it. You sell it for $20K, lick your wounds and move along. Next time don't buy a lemon.

This team will not compete for at least 2 years. Do you think Larry Johnson will be carrying us to glory at 30 years old in 2010?

We're not giving anything away. The team is healthier over the long haul with a 2nd round pick and Larry Johnson's attitude on someone else's club than it is with Johnson.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 10:31 AM
This team isn't getting screwed...it GOT screwed. It's done...over, we made the big mistake already by giving the guy the deal. Now it's time to salvage it. If you do a dumb thing and buy a $100K lemon, you don't let it sit in your garage b/c you paid a lot for it. You sell it for $20K, lick your wounds and move along. Next time don't buy a lemon.

This team will not compete for at least 2 years. Do you think Larry Johnson will be carrying us to glory at 30 years old in 2010?

We're not giving anything away. The team is healthier over the long haul with a 2nd round pick and Larry Johnson's attitude on someone else's club than it is with Johnson.

i don't think it will happen, but I agree completely...

Demonpenz
04-18-2008, 10:38 AM
Chicken legs mcfaddin? First the strength guys will fix that second i remember they said the same thing about walter payton

Count Zarth
04-18-2008, 10:41 AM
Larry Johnson is fine. He just needs a line like any other RB.

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 10:50 AM
Larry Johnson is fine. He just needs a line like any other RB.

He needs to grab a nut and hit a hole. Explain to me why Kolby Smith was a more effective runner behind the same (or even worse) line.

Larry runs rich. He doesn't care about the game, he doesn't care about his team. He cares about his bling and what clubs he can get into. His teammates don't like him, the city hates him.

Get him off this team. If he needs a line 'same as any other RB'...then lets get 'any other RB' in here and get rid of the distractions, attitude, and mileage that comes with this kid and see if we can get something in return for him.

Count Zarth
04-18-2008, 10:51 AM
He needs to grab a nut and hit a hole.

Go watch the Packers game. Larry was slamming into the holes HARD that day.

Explain to me why Kolby Smith was a more effective runner behind the same (or even worse) line.


He wasn't.

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 10:58 AM
Go watch the Packers game. Larry was slamming into the holes HARD that day.



He wasn't.

Wow...1 game. Way to go Larry.

And yes, Smith was the better runner last season. He ran harder and more successfully than LJ. Don't let a mancrush cloud your judgment, Johnson was a freakin' dog last season.

Count Zarth
04-18-2008, 10:59 AM
Wow...1 game. Way to go Larry.

And yes, Smith was the better runner last season. He ran harder and more successfully than LJ. Don't let a mancrush cloud your judgment, Johnson was a freakin' dog last season.

Smith's longest run was a paltry 18 yards.

He's not nearly as talented as Larry. He did get the benefit of playing some weaker defenses, though.

Adept Havelock
04-18-2008, 11:02 AM
Go watch the Packers game. Larry was slamming into the holes HARD that day.



He wasn't.

He may not have more effective, but AFAICS there wasn't much difference between the multi-millon dollar man, and the late round draft pick. :shrug:

ATT Yds Att/Yd Long TD
Larry Johnson 158 559 3.5 54 3
Kolby Smith 112 407 3.6 19 2

Wow...1 game. Way to go Larry.

And yes, Smith was the better runner last season. He ran harder and more successfully than LJ. Don't let a mancrush cloud your judgment, Johnson was a freakin' dog last season.

Yep.


LEAVE LARRY ALONE!!!

blueballs
04-18-2008, 11:03 AM
Jets | Team has met with McFadden three times
Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:24:49 -0700

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reports the New York Jets have met with University of Arkansas RB Darren McFadden three times in the past month, including a night on the town. McFadden was escorted by team officials Wednesday, April 16, to a dinner and to a boxing event in Manhattan, N.Y.

blueballs
04-18-2008, 11:05 AM
The Jets could be ripe for a raping
but by who

markk
04-18-2008, 11:24 AM
i agree that we should deal johnson too. if we could get a second rounder for him i would do that instantly. our rosiest outlook at playoff contention is 2010. he will have 800 more carries on him by then even if he manages to stay healthy. and like everyone who knows what they are talking about says, quality running backs are drafted in the middle rounds every year.

but johnson is carl's trophy of genius and since carl showed larry the money he isnt going anywhere. that would be akin to admitting carl made a huge mistake in signing larry johnson to a huge contract extension and we know carl doesnt make mistakes.

blueballs
04-18-2008, 11:32 AM
If Herm is going to run the RB into the ground anyway -The Herm haters
what diff does it make
the money is all ready out the door

markk
04-18-2008, 11:40 AM
He may not have more effective, but AFAICS there wasn't much difference between the multi-millon dollar man, and the late round draft pick.

there isn't. running back should not be considered a skill position if anyone considers it such. it's unskilled labor. they get to score tds but otherwise they are the grocery baggers on the nfl. all you need is someone with the basic skills and build the store around him. then, yes, he will be successful getting the groceries to the trunk of your car many many times.

DaneMcCloud
04-18-2008, 12:35 PM
It's spent! It's a sunk cost!

The Hunts flushed their own money when they signed off on the extension. Now it's time to make this team better. Larry Johnson ran rich last season, wouldn't hit holes, caused trouble...was pretty much useless. His attitude is hurting this club.

If trading him for a 2nd rounder would make this team better, then it's not flushing anything. I think getting out from under his deal, getting him off this roster, and possibly picking up a 1st day pick would make us better. As such, I think its a move worth considering.

Your point is absolutely irrelevant.

The Chiefs CANNOT absorb the $19 million dollar cap acceleration.

The Chiefs would be better off waiting until LJ is completely healed and showcasing him for a trade in the 2009 offseason. That is, if he doesn't come back and completely tear it up, showing no signs of the injury.

A trade can't happen this year. The salary cap won't allow it.

DJ's left nut
04-18-2008, 12:40 PM
Your point is absolutely irrelevant.

The Chiefs CANNOT absorb the $19 million dollar cap acceleration.

The Chiefs would be better off waiting until LJ is completely healed and showcasing him for a trade in the 2009 offseason. That is, if he doesn't come back and completely tear it up, showing no signs of the injury.

A trade can't happen this year. The salary cap won't allow it.

If this is true, fine...the point is moot.

I will concede that I don't know the exact figures. However, I thought the Chiefs were far enough under the cap (assuming that JA isn't resigned and the rest of the slag is cut) that they could take that hit as something of a nuclear option.

BigMeatballDave
04-18-2008, 01:39 PM
Too bad we didn't trade LJ a year ago...

DaneMcCloud
04-18-2008, 02:00 PM
If this is true, fine...the point is moot.

I will concede that I don't know the exact figures. However, I thought the Chiefs were far enough under the cap (assuming that JA isn't resigned and the rest of the slag is cut) that they could take that hit as something of a nuclear option.

No way. Not a freakin' chance.

They're going to have to sign at least 10 draft choices (which comes out of the rookie pool). In addition, there's no freaking way in hell that Clark Hunt approves a trade of Larry Johnson when he just shelled out $19 million to keep him.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Period.

DaneMcCloud
04-18-2008, 02:02 PM
Too bad we didn't trade LJ a year ago...

Well, that would have required a trade partner, right?

Chiefs fans would have gone apeshit if LJ had been traded for anything less than a first and no one was offering anything for him (the supposed Green Bay offer of a 2nd was completely and utterly bogus).

Halfcan
04-18-2008, 03:33 PM
I expect LJ to be cut after he misses most of this year. His heart is just not into football anymore with that thick wallet full of $$$$.

markk
04-18-2008, 03:39 PM
that is an interesting prediction.

Halfcan
04-18-2008, 03:47 PM
that is an interesting prediction.

I don't see our line being much better, but on the plus side-our play calling Must get better. Bottom line-LJ is heartless sideline runner that will be out of football before his contract is up.