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HonestChieffan
04-18-2008, 02:25 PM
The remarks from his books are very, very disturbing. Again, the remarks are there- and they are NOT taken out of context.

Example:

Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father:
“The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.”

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school”
“I studied the Koran..”

From ‘Audacity of Hope: “Lolo (Obama’s step father) followed a brand of Islam ….”I looked to Lolo for guidance”.

From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

From The Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

From ‘Dreams of My Father’,
“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

From Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.

From Dreams Of My Father:
“That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

From Dreams Of My Father;
“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names”

From Dreams Of My Father, “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”



Now...either he said this stuff to sell books and its all lies, or its the truth. How will they spin these sorts of things in the general?

Bowser
04-18-2008, 02:30 PM
Bush wishes he could put sentences together like that.

jAZ
04-18-2008, 02:31 PM
Fear the black man.

jAZ
04-18-2008, 02:32 PM
Fear the black man.

Oh, maybe by "they" you didn't mean the GOP.

clemensol
04-18-2008, 02:32 PM
I think it's important to note that when you quote a statement, write "..." and then quote another statement that doesn't precede the previous one then you are, by definition taking something out of context.

Pitt Gorilla
04-18-2008, 02:33 PM
Actually, unless you provide the context, they ARE taken out of context. What kind of stupid are you trying to sell?

NewChief
04-18-2008, 02:34 PM
Haven't you been slapped down for the stupidity of these same quotes once already?

clemensol
04-18-2008, 02:36 PM
Breaking news!!! Bush is a communist. Here's proof:

Bush: "I'm"..."a"..."communist"

This is not taken out of context.

Here's the link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070612-2.html

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 02:38 PM
HonestChieffan represents the kind of ignorance that does plague this country. Apparently he doesn't even know what 'out of context' means.

"From The Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

Please, HCF, explain how that quote is disturbing.

Donger
04-18-2008, 02:39 PM
Whoa. Deja vu.

HonestChieffan
04-18-2008, 02:39 PM
Spin away.

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 02:40 PM
Spin away.

"From The Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

Please, HCF, explain how that quote is disturbing.

Bowser
04-18-2008, 02:43 PM
Spin away.

Jog on.

jettio
04-18-2008, 02:46 PM
The remarks from his books are very, very disturbing. Again, the remarks are there- and they are NOT taken out of context.

Example:

Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father:
“The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.”

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school”
“I studied the Koran..”

From ‘Audacity of Hope: “Lolo (Obama’s step father) followed a brand of Islam ….”I looked to Lolo for guidance”.

From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

From The Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

From ‘Dreams of My Father’,
“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

From Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.

From Dreams Of My Father:
“That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

From Dreams Of My Father;
“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names”

From Dreams Of My Father, “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”



Now...either he said this stuff to sell books and its all lies, or its the truth. How will they spin these sorts of things in the general?

Why don't you read the whole book, or have one of your more literate colleagues read it for you.

From the ones I have seen on TV and the movies they do cut out eyeball holes in those hoods, don't they?

vailpass
04-18-2008, 02:48 PM
Why don't you read the whole book, or have one of your more literate colleagues read it for you.

From the ones I have seen on TV and the movies they do cut out eyeball holes in those hoods, don't they?

If you are not for Obama you are a racist, most probably a member of the KKK.

HonestChieffan
04-18-2008, 02:51 PM
That was pretty good. The speed of the attack was excellent and then the trivialization of getting to the KKK and eye cutouts was good, not as good as it needs to be however.

Remember the message is unimportant if you can deflect the issue and attack the messenger.

Pitt Gorilla
04-18-2008, 02:57 PM
That was pretty good. The speed of the attack was excellent and then the trivialization of getting to the KKK and eye cutouts was good, not as good as it needs to be however.

Remember the message is unimportant if you can deflect the issue and attack the messenger.Can you explain how the quotes were NOT taken out of context?

jAZ
04-18-2008, 02:57 PM
If you ("fear the black man because you think he might be a covert muslim terrorist") you are a racist, most probably a member of the KKK.

FYP.

jettio
04-18-2008, 03:00 PM
That was pretty good. The speed of the attack was excellent and then the trivialization of getting to the KKK and eye cutouts was good, not as good as it needs to be however.

Remember the message is unimportant if you can deflect the issue and attack the messenger.

Go ahead and read the book, Dreams from my Father, and write us a book report.

Otherwise, post the link that was the source of your infromation so that we can see who is running your mind for you.

jAZ
04-18-2008, 03:00 PM
Can you explain how the quotes were NOT taken out of context?

Can he explain what "context" is?

jettio
04-18-2008, 03:01 PM
That was pretty good. The speed of the attack was excellent and then the trivialization of getting to the KKK and eye cutouts was good, not as good as it needs to be however.

Remember the message is unimportant if you can deflect the issue and attack the messenger.

What is your message, messenger?

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 03:04 PM
LMAO

Donger
04-18-2008, 03:07 PM
From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

This one is the only one that is moderately disturbing, IMO, but:

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Donger
04-18-2008, 03:08 PM
Why don't you read the whole book, or have one of your more literate colleagues read it for you.

From the ones I have seen on TV and the movies they do cut out eyeball holes in those hoods, don't they?

WTF?

Ultra Peanut
04-18-2008, 03:09 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=181770

chiefforlife
04-18-2008, 03:12 PM
This one is the only one that is moderately disturbing, IMO, but:

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

So...not only was honeschiefans quote taken out of context, the wording itself was changed to enhance its effect. Nice.

Jenson71
04-18-2008, 03:15 PM
The remarks from his books are very, very disturbing. Again, the remarks are there- and they are NOT taken out of context.

LMAO

Chief Henry
04-18-2008, 03:15 PM
Can he explain what "context" is?


More elitism and condescending BS. It looks like your the bitter man.

NewChief
04-18-2008, 03:23 PM
More elitism and condescending BS. It looks like your the bitter man.


ROFL ROFL ROFL

That's so freaking unintentionally funny.

Person A: 2+2=5
Person B: Could you clarify how that works?
Person C: More elitism and condescending BS! Bitter man and your fancy math and definitions!

Pitt Gorilla
04-18-2008, 03:24 PM
More elitism and condescending BS. It looks like your the bitter man.I know he's not on your "side", but the question is fair. He said the quotes were not taken out of context, when they were by definition. That has nothing to do with elitism and everything to do with honestchieffan being a liar or ignorant of the term.

Jenson71
04-18-2008, 03:24 PM
It looks like your the bitter man.

Elitist psychological theories!

Donger
04-18-2008, 03:26 PM
Barack Hussein wants your guns, your white women and wants to make you a Muslim.

Man, the list just keeps growing...

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 03:29 PM
More elitism and condescending BS. It looks like your the bitter man.

Everybody looks elite when they're dealing with HCF. Him and his ilk are retarded and there's no getting around that. This thread is a testament to that.

Not only does he want you to believe the quotes weren't out of context, he wants you to believe (1) Obama actually wrote crazy shit in his book and (2) that Obama has made it this far in a Presidential race despite having crazy shit in his books(best-sellers and widely read, mind you).

If anything, HCF is demeaning all of our intelligence with this topic. LMAO

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 03:33 PM
Barack Hussein wants your guns, your white women and wants to make you a Muslim.

Man, the list just keeps growing...

Dude doesn'thave a chance in hell of being elected. I am not sure why anyone would be worried.

dirk digler
04-18-2008, 03:36 PM
This one is the only one that is moderately disturbing, IMO, but:

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

What is wrong with that? Bush and most all the leaders spoke out about not beating up the Muslims. The American Muslims were worried that they would be put into camps just like the Japs were.

Donger
04-18-2008, 03:37 PM
What is wrong with that? Bush and most all the leaders spoke out about not beating up the Muslims. The American Muslims were worried that they would be put into camps just like the Japs were.

The actual quote isn't disturbing at all.

jAZ
04-18-2008, 03:38 PM
More elitism and condescending BS. It looks like your the bitter man.

Why, because he demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the term "context"?

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 03:38 PM
Dude doesn'thave a chance in hell of being elected. I am not sure why anyone would be worried.

You said he couldn't win the nomination either. I would think you had learned a lesson when it came to your 'absolutes'.

Dave Lane
04-18-2008, 03:40 PM
Those are SO out of context as to frighten even me...

Dave

jAZ
04-18-2008, 03:44 PM
...your white women...
I thought the Tennessee GOP told me that was Harold Ford.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 03:45 PM
You said he couldn't win the nomination either. I would think you had learned a lesson when it comes to your 'absolutes'.

Now you are just lying. I said none of the top runners were electible and at that time they were Giulianni, Clinton and Obama. I even bet real money on it so what I said wouldn't be misportrayed by some liar named Holmezz on the BB. I still stand by my prediction. McCain will win hands down. Frankly I think all of them suck the big one as we only have the 3 Stooges this election anyway. It's just a matter of picking your poison. That's pretty much par for the course though isn't it?

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 03:46 PM
So you're saying you didn't say he wouldn't win the Democratic nomination? You want to go on record with that?

jAZ
04-18-2008, 03:48 PM
The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
The actual quote isn't disturbing at all.
More elitism and condescending BS. It looks like your (sic) the bitter man.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 03:55 PM
So you're saying you didn't say he wouldn't win the Democratic nomination? You want to go on record with that?

Absolutely.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 03:59 PM
If you think it's completely over you can still bet 5k to win 1k. Easy money right?

Barack Obama 1 - 5

Hillary Clinton 3 - 1

sportsbook.com

dirk digler
04-18-2008, 04:00 PM
The actual quote isn't disturbing at all.

Ok so what is the problem again?

Donger
04-18-2008, 04:01 PM
Ok so what is the problem again?

Uh, there isn't one, IMO.

dirk digler
04-18-2008, 04:03 PM
Uh, there isn't one, IMO.

Ok cool.

Now we can go back to bashing dumbass HCF. :thumb:

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 04:03 PM
Absolutely.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=156809

He will lose.

At what point? Primaries? General election?

Primaries.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 04:17 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=156809

I stand corrected and apologize if he indeed does win. I really thought Hillary or some dark horse was going to come up and take it. Never underestimate the stupidity of of the Dems. He is not electable though. I will put my money where my keyboard is too. Want to bet say $100?

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 04:20 PM
These are incredibly out of context.

God there's something in the water in election years that makes people stupid.

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 04:21 PM
I'm not a betting man and Obama could definitely lose in November. My point was just about making absolutes. No biggie.

Radar Chief
04-18-2008, 04:23 PM
These are incredibly out of context.

God there's something in the water in election years that makes people stupid.

I don't get it, is there a gas leak in here?

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 04:23 PM
I'm not a betting man and Obama could definitely lose in November. My point was just about making absolutes. No biggie.

I apologize anyway. I didn't remember saying that although I can see why I would. I guess I underestimated just how much people despise Hillary which is hard to do.

BIG_DADDY
04-18-2008, 04:25 PM
These are incredibly out of context.

God there's something in the water in election years that makes people stupid.

Maybe but that wouldn't apply to honestqueef. He is like that all the time.

Logical
04-18-2008, 04:32 PM
Haven't you been slapped down for the stupidity of these same quotes once already?If not he should have been, I have read Audacity of Hope cover to cover and I can say every quote he uses out of it are terribly out of context. I will also say it is a very inspirational book.

Logical
04-18-2008, 04:36 PM
This one is the only one that is moderately disturbing, IMO, but:

The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."Thank you for saving me the time of looking it up. This is exactly right.

Ultra Peanut
04-18-2008, 06:30 PM
I stand corrected and apologize if he indeed does win. I really thought Hillary or some dark horse was going to come up and take it. Never underestimate the stupidity of of the Dems. He is not electable though. I will put my money where my keyboard is too. Want to bet say $100?Hahahahaha. You ****ing dumbshit. All you could say for months was, "No way he wins anything! He's black and he has a funny name! You're crazy!"

And here, let me save you the trouble of banging out a response with your knuckles: LOL POORLY-EXECUTED TRANNY JOKE

HolmeZz
04-18-2008, 06:55 PM
BD manned up. That was more than I could expect from most on here.