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BigRock
04-18-2008, 05:08 PM
According to a Vikes' board (this is probably from their Scout.com site like the similiarly unlinked report from yesterday):

- The Chiefs want more than the 1st and 3rd the Vikings are alleged to have offered. It is said that it will take a "wow offer" to get them to agree to the trade.

- Time is an important factor. If Allen was signed to an offer sheet then the Chiefs would be guaranteed seven days to match it. An offer sheet would have to be signed and approved by the league by tomorrow (Saturday) to give KC seven days before the draft.

Without the offer sheet option to fall back on, the entire deal hinges on the Vikings being able to offer the Chiefs enough in return to make the trade. If they don't offer a deal to the Chiefs liking, Allen isn't coming.

- The Vikings believe more teams, at least 3, have contacted KC about Allen in the last 24 hours once all this news got out. But in terms of having the picks to satisfy the Chiefs and the cap room to get a deal done, the Vikings believe they're in the lead.

- One of the 3 teams, though, is rumored to be New England, and the chance of getting their high first rounder is going to entice the Chiefs a lot more than getting Minnesota's. The Patriots also have a high third round pick (4 spots higher than the Vikings' first pick in that round).

Still, it's not known what, if anything, the Patriots have offered. And it's unlikely the Chiefs would want to trade Allen to an AFC team.

Count Zarth
04-18-2008, 05:11 PM
OK Mecca, tell us how stupid the Patriots are.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:13 PM
can a team fit two top 10 picks with the rookie pool?

kstater
04-18-2008, 05:14 PM
I'd take the Patriot's 1st and 3rd in a heartbeat.

Mecca
04-18-2008, 05:15 PM
OK Mecca, tell us how stupid the Patriots are.

I'll believe they'll do it when I see it, but they also sit in win now mode...

Mr. Arrowhead
04-18-2008, 05:15 PM
i would gladly trade him to the Pats. that #7 spot looks real nice

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:16 PM
So Allen would be an OLB in the Patriots scheme?

Mecca
04-18-2008, 05:17 PM
So Allen would be an OLB in the Patriots scheme?

He'd be a mix since they do some 4-3 looks also, I don't really buy that they'd trade for him...

But just saying they did the Chiefs would have to more down on one of those picks because I don't think they could afford 2 top 10 picks.

Count Zarth
04-18-2008, 05:17 PM
So Allen would be an OLB in the Patriots scheme?

Probably. I think he could do it. It's not like they'd be asking him to cover a bunch of people on passing downs...

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:17 PM
What I don't get is this.

If it's true that the Pats are interested.....doesn't this go against everything they normally do? That would involve giving up a huge contract to a player and giving up picks to get that player.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:18 PM
Jared Allen sounds completely opposite of the type of player New England wants. He doesn't have the size to play DE and he doesn't have the speed to play OLB in the 3-4. Not to mention the Patriots rarely trade for players, they never pay players a lot of money, and they never enter a deal where they end up with fewer picks than when they started.

If the Patriots are truly involved in this, I'll be the most surprised person in the building.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:18 PM
can a team fit two top 10 picks with the rookie pool?
I'd love to find out. :)

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:18 PM
He'd be a mix since they do some 4-3 looks also, I don't really buy that they'd trade for him...

But just saying they did the Chiefs would have to more down on one of those picks because I don't think they could afford 2 top 10 picks.

I could see a possible move down then. I would grab Ellis with the #5 pick and then try and trade down with the Saints to the #10 pick.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:19 PM
What I don't get is this.

If it's true that the Pats are interested.....doesn't this go against everything they normally do? That would involve giving up a huge contract to a player and giving up picks to get that player.
Great minds.

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:20 PM
The more the merrier. Greater interest = more value in return.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:20 PM
hypothetically, you take the Pats deal and party...but surely we'd have to trade down...

the mind does race though at the leverage...we could do what the pats have done and trade down for a #1 next year....or trade down and then trade down again for a #1 next year...very nick athan-ish...lol

ChiefsCountry
04-18-2008, 05:21 PM
I could see a possible move down then. I would grab Ellis with the #5 pick and then try and trade down with the Saints to the #10 pick.

I would trade #7 to Carolina to leapfrog Baltimore. At #13 - Chris Williams or Albert would be the choice.

OnTheWarpath58
04-18-2008, 05:22 PM
OK Mecca, tell us how stupid the Patriots are.


Considering it's from Scout, I'd be pointing the stupidity comments in that direction.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:23 PM
What I don't get is this.

If it's true that the Pats are interested.....doesn't this go against everything they normally do? That would involve giving up a huge contract to a player and giving up picks to get that player.

as they showed with Moss and his contract (on a smaller scale), the Pats are in a bit of a "win now" mode...

...but I still don't think they'd really do it....if Carl gets their 1st and 3rd then he must sold his soul to the devil..

OnTheWarpath58
04-18-2008, 05:24 PM
Jared Allen sounds completely opposite of the type of player New England wants. He doesn't have the size to play DE and he doesn't have the speed to play OLB in the 3-4. Not to mention the Patriots rarely trade for players, they never pay players a lot of money, and they never enter a deal where they end up with fewer picks than when they started.

If the Patriots are truly involved in this, I'll be the most surprised person in the building.

And I'll be standing right beside you.

BigRock
04-18-2008, 05:24 PM
can a team fit two top 10 picks with the rookie pool?
I'm pretty sure the rookie pool is based on the picks a team has. The Raiders last year had one of the biggest rookie pool amounts ever because they had 11 total picks, including #1 overall and like 4-5 other picks on the first day. And their pool was $6-$7 million.

The Chiefs have at least $20 some million in cap space, if not more. Especially if they aren't paying Allen. So unless they needed double the largest rookie pool in history, they should be okay.

I doubt there's anything to the Patriots talk, though. Note that they snuck the word "rumored" in there.

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:26 PM
hypothetically, you take the Pats deal and party...but surely we'd have to trade down...

the mind does race though at the leverage...we could do what the pats have done and trade down for a #1 next year....or trade down and then trade down again for a #1 next year...There really are an incredible number of options open with multiple picks like that.

I don't think we'll have any luck trading back from 5 (the contracts involved), but from 7, or 17? Just maybe...

Imagine a scenario where we draft, say Ellis or C Long or Ryan, then drop down from 17 to the 20s, and have, say 2 seconds and 3 thirds to use.

"!0 picks" sounds good and all, but right now only 3 of them come on day 1. "12/13/14 picks, half of them on day 1" has a whole different ring to it.

Too much to hope for, of course.

Hoover
04-18-2008, 05:26 PM
Folk we have the Vikings between a rock and a hard place. The more teams that are rumored to be involved the better, the higher those teams picks are the better. The Vikings have to haul ass to get this done which is great for JA but better for us.

We are going to a nice package of picks out of this deal. If I were the an NFC team I'd call Carl and tell him he can float their name as well just to drive the price up. This is great drama.

We might as well sit back and enjoy the show. The JA trade is our AFC Championship game and the draft is our Super Bowl.

Count Zarth
04-18-2008, 05:26 PM
Considering it's from Scout, I'd be pointing the stupidity comments in that direction.

YEP LOL SCOUT IS BULLSHIT

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:26 PM
it's really going to suck if this trade doesn't happen...i'm having more fun dreaming about the picks than I will watching this abortion of a team play his year....

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:27 PM
as they showed with Moss and his contract (on a smaller scale), the Pats are in a bit of a "win now" mode...

...but I still don't think they'd really do it....if Carl gets their 1st and 3rd then he must sold his soul to the devil..

Yeah but if they are in a win now mode....why would they pay $70-$80 million for Allen.....who doesn't fit their mold.....instead of paying $50 million for Asante Samuels.....who they drafted themselves.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:29 PM
There really are an incredible number of options open with multiple picks like that.

I don't think we'll have any luck trading back from 5 (the contracts involved), but from 7, or 17? Just maybe...

Imagine a scenario where we draft, say Ellis or C Long or Ryan, then drop down from 17 to the 20s, and have, say 2 seconds and 3 thirds to use.

"!0 picks" sounds good and all, but right now only 3 of them come on day 1. "12/13/14 picks, half of them on day 1" has a whole different ring to it.

Too much to hope for, of course.

2 firsts
2 seconds
2 thirds....

imagine....it would be an unprecedented chance to remake this team in hyper-speed....and as I type God is placing his heel over my testicles...

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:31 PM
Yeah but if they are in a win now mode....why would they pay $70-$80 million for Allen.....who doesn't fit their mold.....instead of paying $50 million for Asante Samuels.....who they drafted themselves.

because they know that DE is much more important than CB...and they witnessed that fact first hand against the Giants...

Mecca
04-18-2008, 05:31 PM
Yeah but if they are in a win now mode....why would they pay $70-$80 million for Allen.....who doesn't fit their mold.....instead of paying $50 million for Asante Samuels.....who they drafted themselves.

They value lineman over DB's look where they've spent their high picks.

Woodrow Call
04-18-2008, 05:31 PM
it's really going to suck if this trade doesn't happen...i'm having more fun dreaming about the picks than I will watching this abortion of a team play his year....

I feel the exact same way. I'll be pretty disappointed if this all falls apart.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:32 PM
because they know that DE is much more important than CB...and they witnessed that fact first hand against the Giants...


That's true....although I'd assume he'd be more of an OLB who rushes the passer.

Maybe they'll use him as the replacement to Vrabel.....you know because he can catch TDs.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:33 PM
2 firsts
2 seconds
2 thirds....

imagine....it would be an unprecedented chance to remake this team in hyper-speed....and as I type God is placing his heel over my testicles...
<--------------------------------

Say your prayers. So He can betray them.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:34 PM
That's true....although I'd assume he'd be more of an OLB who rushes the passer.

Maybe they'll use him as the replacement to Vrabel.....you know because he can catch TDs.

again, I don't think it will happen....but I can at least see the logic of it...Belicheck is smart enough to figure out how to use Allen

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:35 PM
again, I don't think it will happen....but I can at least see the logic of it...Belicheck is smart enough to figure out how to use Allen

You have to figure that if the Pats really are interested....that Allen would much rather go there. At least there he's got a legit shot at a championship. The Vikings have Jackson at QB for Christ's sake!

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:35 PM
Now that I think about it, that would be nothing short of genius. Just taking the Patriots' 1st and 3rd for Allen and offering the #7 overall to the highest bidder to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd...

It really would be an uncharacteristically genius of Herm and Carl to pull this off.

2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, a 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths... Wow.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:36 PM
Now that I think about it, that would be nothing short of genius. Just taking the Patriots' 1st and 3rd for Allen and offering the #7 overall to the highest bidder to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd...

It really would be an uncharacteristically genius of Herm and Carl to pull this off.

2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, a 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths... Wow.

How can we get a second 4th round pick? I'd like to even the shit out.

Phobia
04-18-2008, 05:36 PM
can a team fit two top 10 picks with the rookie pool?

Considering the rookie cap increases proportionately according to your picks and slotting, yes. They usually notify teams of their rookie cap just before the draft and then make adjustments for trades afterwards.

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:37 PM
2 firsts
2 seconds
2 thirds....

imagine....it would be an unprecedented chance to remake this team in hyper-speed....and as I type God is placing his heel over my testicles...Well, if the Allen trade goes through, it appears that it will be at least

2 firsts
1 second
2 thirds

or

2 firsts
2 seconds
1 third

With no other trade required...

I wonder if there's any way we can trade Tony Gonzalez. :hmmm:

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:38 PM
Now that I think about it, that would be nothing short of genius. Just taking the Patriots' 1st and 3rd for Allen and offering the #7 overall to the highest bidder to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd...

It really would be an uncharacteristically genius of Herm and Carl to pull this off.

2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, a 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths... Wow.


it would rival the Walker trade for impact on a Franchise...assuming we traded down for more picks etc...

the pressure to get those picks right would be unreal...

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:38 PM
Especially if you throw in that we also have around $20 million in cap room plus the rookie pool.....I don't think we'd have a problem signing them. That is unless Carl is a dick and trys to screw them out of money.

Phobia
04-18-2008, 05:38 PM
YEP LOL SCOUT IS BULLSHIT

Not all of scout - just the part with whom you're affiliated.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:39 PM
Considering the rookie cap increases proportionately according to your picks and slotting, yes. They usually notify teams of their rookie cap just before the draft and then make adjustments for trades afterwards.

yeah, I was unaware of that...though it makes sense...

Bowser
04-18-2008, 05:39 PM
Especially if you throw in that we also have around $20 million in cap room plus the rookie pool.....I don't think we'd have a problem signing them. That is unless Carl is a dick and trys to screw them out of money.

I was feeling good until this part.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 05:40 PM
screw this...i'm going to step away from the computer for a beer...

this is all WAY TO GOOD TO BE TRUE...WE'RE THE CHIEFS

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:41 PM
it would rival the Walker trade for impact on a Franchise...assuming we traded down for more picks etc...

the pressure to get those picks right would be unreal...I think they're feeling that pressure with or without these trades. I think they know as well as we all do that this is most important draft this franchise has had in at least 20 years.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:41 PM
screw this...i'm going to step away from the computer for a beer...

this is all WAY TO GOOD TO BE TRUE...WE'RE THE CHIEFS

This is kind of like buying a lottery ticket when the jackpot is $300 million dollars. You spend all week thinking about how you're going to spend it...only to find out that you lost and some toothless redneck won the whole thing.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:42 PM
How can we get a second 4th round pick? I'd like to even the shit out.
Greg Wesley. :banghead:

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:42 PM
Greg Wesley. :banghead:

Jackpot!

CrazyPhuD
04-18-2008, 05:42 PM
Actually here's a more evil scenario. What if the trade were to happen(not likely but what if). We get Pats 1st + 3rd....draft day comes around and McFadden is sitting there when we would pick. Trade 5th for both cowboys 1sts(yes yes maybe less likely to happen)....but 3 first rounders? COuld we manage to draft 3 trazelle jenkin's in the first round or do the law of averages say we should get one role player?

Bowser
04-18-2008, 05:43 PM
This is kind of like buying a lottery ticket when the jackpot is $300 million dollars. You spend all week thinking about how you're going to spend it...only to find out that you lost and some toothless redneck won the whole thing.

I'm pretty sure I've lived that nightmare.

OnTheWarpath58
04-18-2008, 05:44 PM
YEP LOL SCOUT IS BULLSHIT

From the website that brought you such classics as:

Larry Johnson is going to be a Packer!

And:

Trent Green will be traded for multiple picks!

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:44 PM
COuld we manage to draft 3 trazelle jenkin's in the first round or do the law of averages say we should get one role player?Anything can happen, but I think Larry Johnson, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali and Dwayne Bowe are all good players, so there's at least that much to give us hope.

Halfcan
04-18-2008, 05:44 PM
If NE get JA-might has well count them as SB champs the next 5 years.

JA on 38 the spot at 7:00 pm. Looks juicy.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:44 PM
screw this...i'm going to step away from the computer for a beer...

this is all WAY TO GOOD TO BE TRUE...WE'RE THE CHIEFS

ROFL

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:44 PM
I'm pretty sure I've lived that nightmare.

I think everyone has.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:45 PM
Anything can happen, but I think Larry Johnson, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali and Dwayne Bowe are all good players, so there's at least that much to give us hope.

So how soon until either of those 4 demand a trade?

bogey
04-18-2008, 05:45 PM
I don't get this. Yea Carl? Or boo Carl? Are you happy JA will be traded if it's a good trade, or are you mad JA is being traded no matter what the trade. I'm thinking why are we getting rid of one of our best players. What am I missing.

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:46 PM
If NE get JA-might has well count them as SB champs the next 5 years.

JA on 38 the spot at 7:00 pm. Looks juicy.He's going to come on and say "I just signed a new deal with the Chiefs" and all this "holy shit we might have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds" talk will poot off like a burst balloon.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:46 PM
Actually here's a more evil scenario. What if the trade were to happen(not likely but what if). We get Pats 1st + 3rd....draft day comes around and McFadden is sitting there when we would pick. Trade 5th for both cowboys 1sts(yes yes maybe less likely to happen)....but 3 first rounders? COuld we manage to draft 3 trazelle jenkin's in the first round or do the law of averages say we should get one role player?
I appreciate evil scenarios but there in no way on God's Green Earth the Cowboys give up two 1sts for McFadden when this is the deepest RB year maybe ever.

Halfcan
04-18-2008, 05:46 PM
Now that I think about it, that would be nothing short of genius. Just taking the Patriots' 1st and 3rd for Allen and offering the #7 overall to the highest bidder to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd...

It really would be an uncharacteristically genius of Herm and Carl to pull this off.

2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, a 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths... Wow.

with that many picks-we might find another JA-but I doubt it.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:46 PM
I don't get this. Yea Carl? Or boo Carl? Are you happy JA will be traded if it's a good trade, or are you mad JA is being traded no matter what the trade. I'm thinking why are we getting rid of one of our best players. What am I missing.


This thread is for people that have already resigned themselves to the fact that Allen is more than likely gone. The line has already been crossed. We're just now hashing out what the Chiefs get out of the deal.

Bowser
04-18-2008, 05:47 PM
I appreciate evil scenarios but there in no way on God's Green Earth the Cowboys give up two 1sts for McFadden when this is the deepest RB year maybe ever.

They can sit right where they are and get Felix Jones, who is arguably going to be a better NFL back than McFadden.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:48 PM
He's going to come on and say "I just signed a new deal with the Chiefs" and all this "holy shit we might have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds" talk will poot off like a burst balloon.

ROFL

Then you'll see tons of threads pop up about how we should have traded him for picks. I love the Planet.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:49 PM
ROFL

Then you'll see tons of threads pop up about how we should have traded him for picks. I love the Planet.
CLASSIC. ROFL

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:50 PM
I don't get this. Yea Carl? Or boo Carl? Are you happy JA will be traded if it's a good trade, or are you mad JA is being traded no matter what the trade. I'm thinking why are we getting rid of one of our best players. What am I missing.It's kind of trying to make the best out of a bad situation. It seems very, very unlikely that Allen's going to re-sign here, and I think it's a combination of factors, not just "getting rid of him". There's bad blood because of what happened last offseason apparently, and it doesn't look like there's been any positive progress this year. So, I guess on one hand, you can rail at Carl for all this happening, or, on the other, you can resign your self to the fact that it is happening, that you can't go back and get a do-over on last year or last month, and so you try to figure out what the best outcome can be.

So it's boo carl because the relationship between the two is precluding a new contract, but yay carl in the hopes that he can recover by making a good trade.

That's my view, at least.

Valiant
04-18-2008, 05:51 PM
He'd be a mix since they do some 4-3 looks also, I don't really buy that they'd trade for him...

But just saying they did the Chiefs would have to more down on one of those picks because I don't think they could afford 2 top 10 picks.

Have you seen how much money we are sitting on??? This is not your same old Chiefs who need to get close to cap, we have an over-abundance this year..

Valiant
04-18-2008, 05:51 PM
And as for the Pats.. Nothing less then thier 7th overall this year and another 1st next year.. Which would mean 32nd pick in the draft..

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:52 PM
And as for the Pats.. Nothing less then thier 7th overall this year and another 1st next year.. Which would mean 32nd pick in the draft..
Fail.

If Allen was worth that much, we wouldn't be trading him.

Valiant
04-18-2008, 05:53 PM
Yeah but if they are in a win now mode....why would they pay $70-$80 million for Allen.....who doesn't fit their mold.....instead of paying $50 million for Asante Samuels.....who they drafted themselves.

Because a DE/OLB in their scheme is worth a tons more.. Hell in the NFL period now elite CB's are not worth the money with the way the rules are set up..

You can get an elite DL and make average to good CB's allstar, compared to a average DL letting WR run all day on elite CB's..

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:55 PM
I swear to God, though, if Carl pulls this off where we end up with six picks in the first three rounds by the time the Draft arrives, it will have been the most ingenius manuvers he's made in his time as GM. Taking a bad situation and turning it into exactly what the Chiefs want, with the best drafting HC we've had in ages.

That's why I think everything might fall through. It would require a hell of a lot of skill to manufacture, and I don't know if there's any GM, maybe one or two of the elite ones, that could pull off that kind of trick.

Nonetheless, aim high Carl.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:57 PM
I swear to God, though, if Carl pulls this off where we end up with six picks in the first three rounds by the time the Draft arrives, it will have been the most ingenius manuvers he's made in his time as GM. Taking a bad situation and turning it into exactly what the Chiefs want, with the best drafting HC we've had in ages.

That's why I think everything might fall through. It would require a hell of a lot of skill to manufacture, and I don't know if there's any GM, maybe one or two of the elite ones, that could pull off that kind of trick.

Nonetheless, aim high Carl.

If he pulls this off.....then he'll demand a new contract. :cuss:

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 05:57 PM
I swear to God, though, if Carl pulls this off where we end up with six picks in the first three rounds by the time the Draft arrives, it will have been the most ingenius manuvers he's made in his time as GM. Taking a bad situation and turning it into exactly what the Chiefs want, with the best drafting HC we've had in ages.

That's why I think everything might fall through. It would require a hell of a lot of skill to manufacture, and I don't know if there's any GM, maybe one or two of the elite ones, that could pull off that kind of trick.Yes, this would be like Athan winning a pulitzer.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 05:58 PM
If he pulls this off.....then he'll demand a new contract. :cuss:
I understand that logic, and it frightens me, too.

But I can't root for my team to fail ever. If this pair of deals is possible, you pull the trigger.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 05:59 PM
I understand that logic, and it frightens me, too.

But I can't root for my team to fail ever. If this pair of deals is possible, you pull the trigger.

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm hoping that some how we pull through this with the Pats 1st and 3rd.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 06:01 PM
Oh don't get me wrong. I'm hoping that some how we pull through this with the Pats 1st and 3rd.
If we do, I still think it'd be really hard for us to get a 1st and a 2nd for the #7 overall. Maybe if we give up a mid rounder in exchange with the #7, I can see a 1st and a 2nd coming our way.

Geez... this is too exciting to be real.

beavis
04-18-2008, 06:01 PM
My bet is on a conditional 5th round pick, which becomes a 4th if Allen gets more than 10 sacks for Minnesnowter.

Halfcan
04-18-2008, 06:02 PM
according to 38 the spot-Vikes are talking with Cheaps-1st and 2nd.

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 06:02 PM
You know how it would go. They'd acquire the 6 picks we're dreaming about, and then end up drafting Brandon Albert and 5 people none of us have ever heard about.

Halfcan
04-18-2008, 06:03 PM
Carl just said!!!!!!!!!!


























If something happens-he will let you know....

kcchiefsus
04-18-2008, 06:04 PM
can a team fit two top 10 picks with the rookie pool?

The rookie pool is determined after the draft. So the more picks and the higher the picks we have we will get a larger rookie pool.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 06:06 PM
according to 38 the spot-Vikes are talking with Cheaps-1st and 2nd.
*rubs hands together*

I'd be enthused with this.

Vikes' 1st and 2nd.

I think I'd like this a lot more than the Pats' 1st and 3rd, because we're not going to be able to give away the #7 overall without losing out on value. Every team in the NFL would know we're basically forced to get rid of it and no one will offer fair value for it.

Vikes' 1st and 2nd would still give us four picks in the first 47 or so... It's the ideal option outside of two 1sts.

kcchiefsus
04-18-2008, 06:06 PM
Jared Allen sounds completely opposite of the type of player New England wants. He doesn't have the size to play DE and he doesn't have the speed to play OLB in the 3-4. Not to mention the Patriots rarely trade for players, they never pay players a lot of money, and they never enter a deal where they end up with fewer picks than when they started.

If the Patriots are truly involved in this, I'll be the most surprised person in the building.

Just about everything you said has been thrown out the window in the last year.

- They traded for Wes Welker for a 2nd and 7th round draft pick. They also traded a 4th for Randy Moss.
- They gave Adalius Thomas a large contract last year and Randy Moss a huge contract this year.
- And obviously the Wes Welker trade and the Randy Moss trade resulted in them having less picks than before.

Recent history with the Patriots is pretty much the exact opposite of everything you just said.

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 06:07 PM
Just about everything you said has been thrown out the window in the last year.

- They traded for Wes Welker for a 2nd and 7th round draft pick. They also traded a 4th for Randy Moss.
- They gave Adalius Thomas a large contract last year and Randy Moss a huge contract this year.
- And obviously the Wes Welker trade and the Randy Moss trade resulted in them having less picks than before.

Recent history with the Patriots is pretty much the exact opposite of everything you just said.
Rep.

Skip Towne
04-18-2008, 06:08 PM
Yes, this would be like Athan winning a pulitzer.

:LOL:

kcchiefsus
04-18-2008, 06:08 PM
I'm pretty sure the rookie pool is based on the picks a team has. The Raiders last year had one of the biggest rookie pool amounts ever because they had 11 total picks, including #1 overall and like 4-5 other picks on the first day. And their pool was $6-$7 million.

The Chiefs have at least $20 some million in cap space, if not more. Especially if they aren't paying Allen. So unless they needed double the largest rookie pool in history, they should be okay.

I doubt there's anything to the Patriots talk, though. Note that they snuck the word "rumored" in there.

They have closer to $30 million in cap room.

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 06:09 PM
"Are you Christian? Are you single?"

Nothing like the ads during 38 sports spot. ROFL

Direckshun
04-18-2008, 06:10 PM
I will say that out of the dozen, this is by far the most informative and most entertaining Jared Allen thread on CP right now.

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 06:10 PM
"Are you Christian? Are you single?"

Nothing like the ads during 38 sports spot. ROFLROFL lmao it ran again to end the break.

I guess single Christians are a primary demographic of the sports spot.

Mecca
04-18-2008, 06:10 PM
"Are you Christian? Are you single?"

Nothing like the ads during 38 sports spot. ROFL

It would have been funnier since Allen is on if the first ad was "do you ever feel like having a beer?"

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 06:12 PM
It would have been funnier since Allen is on if the first ad was "do you ever feel like having a beer?"I didn't do it justice. You have to imagine a sultry-voiced woman saying "Are you Christan? Are you single?" like it's any other late-night 900 line.

Mecca
04-18-2008, 06:13 PM
I didn't do it justice. You have to imagine a sultry-voiced woman saying "Are you Christan? Are you single?" like it's any other late-night 900 line.

Are you looking for other Christians to have sex with?

It should just say that.

kcchiefsus
04-18-2008, 06:13 PM
Are you looking for other Christians to have sex with?

It should just say that.

ROFL

keg in kc
04-18-2008, 06:16 PM
Are you looking for other Christians to have sex with?

It should just say that."Are you Christian? Are you single? Do you want to hear me scream "oh God" while I do my nails and roll my eyes at the 300-pound bonita in the cubicle next to mine?"

Adept Havelock
04-18-2008, 06:17 PM
"Are you Christian? Are you single? Do you want to hear me scream "oh God" while I do my nails and roll my eyes at the 300-pound bonita in the cubicle next to mine?"

Nice. LMAO

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 06:29 PM
ok, I have a beer and a steak on the grill....and I more ga-ga for picks then EVAR

Minny's 1st and 2nd would be fugg-tastic....it would be the only right thing Carl has done since hiring Marty...

dare to dream....DARE TO DREAM!

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 06:42 PM
In honor of this thread, this one shining moment of hope before a season of certain doom...."The Impossible Dream."


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CoMoChief
04-18-2008, 06:55 PM
The only way this Jared Allen deal would work out is if........

Pats give us their 1st and 3rd this year, and a 3rd next season.

We trade LJ for a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year.

1. OT Jake Long
1. DT Sedrick Ellis
2. DE Quentin Groves
3. QB Chad Henne
3. DB Charles Godfrey
3. C Mike Pollack

4. WR Will Franklin
5. CB Jonathan Zenon
5. LB Phillip Wheeler
6. RB Steve Slaton
6. CB Jack Ikegweonu
7. BPA
7. K

1. Michael Oher
2. Duke Robinson
2. Chase Coffman
3. ????
3. ?????

Which I don't see any of this happening so moral of the story is........

DON'T ****ING TRADE JARED ALLEN.

BigRock
04-18-2008, 06:57 PM
I will say that out of the dozen, this is by far the most informative and most entertaining Jared Allen thread on CP right now.
BIG UPS TO ME

dirk digler
04-18-2008, 06:58 PM
He'd be a mix since they do some 4-3 looks also, I don't really buy that they'd trade for him...

But just saying they did the Chiefs would have to more down on one of those picks because I don't think they could afford 2 top 10 picks.

they are almost $20 million dollars under the cap they can afford pretty much afford anything