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Douche Baggins
04-18-2008, 07:58 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/747657.html

You were shocked, and possibly outraged, over the news that broke yesterday Ė the Kansas City Chiefs are in talks with the Minnesota Vikings to trade defensive end Jared Allen.

I admit, my first reaction threw my left knee way out of alignment. Trading a Pro-Bowl defensive end in his prime, coming off a career season, smacks of franchise suicide. Should the trade go through, hundreds, if not thousands of people in the Kansas City area will have worthless #69 jerseys hanging in their closets.

It hurts to think the Chiefs might lose their happy-go-lucky, carefree franchise player. Itís hard to fathom how they might compete next season, or even replace Allen. Itís easy to realize why Chiefs Nation is panicking right now.

But I know one person whoís not panicking.

He didnít panic when Willie Roaf (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2475254) unexpectedly retired before the 2006 training camp. He didnít panic when Trent Green went down with a concussion a few months later. He didnít panic when Larry Johnson held out for months last offseason, and he didnít panic after opening two consecutive seasons at 0-2.

Nope, Herm Edwards doesnít panic. Heís not about to start now.

Itís logical to assume that if the Chiefs are ready to dump Allen for draft picks, Hermís OK with it. Hell, maybe it was his idea. After all, itís Edwards, the former NFL Scout, who loves to stockpile draft choices and has a knack for finding young talent. Itís Edwards who knows one man does not make a team.

And itís Edwards whoís already been through this sort of scenario.

In 2002, when Edwards was coaching the New York Jets, wide receiver Laveranues Coles enjoyed a breakout season, catching 89 passes for 1,264 yards. The Jets had no other 1,000-yard wide receivers, and the only other proven receiver on the team was Wayne Chrebet, who was nearing the end of his career.

Despite Colesí season, the Jets let him escape via free agency to the Washington Redskins, who offered him a much larger contract. Because New Yorkís offense didnít exactly resemble a high-powered scoring machine, Jets fans were understandably upset over losing their best receiver just coming into his prime.

But Edwards did not panic. Despite losing Coles, Herm found a replacement in Santana Moss (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3672092) (who at the time had done nothing despite being drafted in the first round) and had the Jets back in the playoffs in 2004.

Coles eventually returned to the Jets, but for the purposes of our discussion, thatís irrelevant. The point is even though Edwards lost a key member of his football team after 2002, he stayed the course, found a replacement, and everything turned out just fine.

We should trust Herm Edwards to do the same in Kansas City.

If Allen is traded for a bounty of draft picks, we should believe Edwards can build KCís franchise with those resources. We should get behind Herm in his effort to replace Allen and reconstruct the Chiefsí pass rush as he sees fit.

If that means drafting Chris Long (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3200069) or Vernon Gholston (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3244585) this year, so be it. If it means moving Turk McBride (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698864) to defensive end (remember, when he was drafted, Herm compared Turk to Tamba Hali (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698856)), letís see how it works out. The Chiefs arenít competing for the Super Bowl any time soon, so thereís any number of ways to go about piecing together the team. Thereís no rush (pun not intended).

Yes, Jared Allen (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698843) is a terrific player. But we should trust Herm Edwards to find more terrific players. Thatís part of his job description.

Should Edwards fail in that job, should the Chiefs spend the next three years searching fruitlessly for a pass rush while watching their young cornerbacks and safeties get torched, Herm should rightfully be held accountable. Thereís no way heíd sign off on dumping Allen without a concrete plan to eventually replace him, right? According to Warpaint's own Nick Athan, KCís coaching staff has been preparing for Allenís potential exit.

So yeah, youíre upset that the Chiefs might lose Jared Allen. But donít panic. Herm Edwards isnít, and he has more to lose over it than any of us. Namely, his job.

Of course, if Herm is given no say in the matter of Jared Allenís potential departure, it would be unfair to blame him for failing to replace him. But weíll leave such speculation to others.

Sure-Oz
04-18-2008, 07:59 PM
It's ok, herm will personally spike jareds drinks after the trade and he'll promptly drive home and get busted, herm=genious

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 08:01 PM
I'm no grammar expert and I could be wrong but shouldn't this:

"In 2002, when Edwards was coaching the New York Jets, wide receiver Laveranues Coles enjoyed a breakout season, catching 89 passes for 1,264 yards."

Read like this:

"In 2002, when Edwards coached the New York Jets, wide receiver Laveranues Coles enjoyed a breakout season, catching 89 passes for 1,264 yards."

or this:

In 2002, when Edwards was the coach of the New York Jets, wide receiver Laveranues Coles enjoyed a breakout season, catching 89 passes for 1,264 yards.

Douche Baggins
04-18-2008, 08:03 PM
How DARE you question my grammar.

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 08:05 PM
How DARE you question my grammar.

ROFL

el borracho
04-18-2008, 08:05 PM
52-60

ILChief
04-18-2008, 08:13 PM
Aren't you the same guy that led the "Germ Warfare" BS? So do you like herm or not? Make up your GD mind.

the Talking Can
04-18-2008, 08:16 PM
When Roaf retired, Herm did nothing and fielded the worst OL in the history of the NFL.

When Green left, Herm started a 34 yr old backup who sucked ass. We had our worst season in decades.

And Herm "didn't panic" when our run game didn't work against the Colts in the playoffs. He just kept running it...running it all the way to a humiliating defeat.

I'd feel better if that dumbass would panic for once. Much like I'd feel better if a WPI writer ever made an analogy that was appropriate and not pointless.

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 08:27 PM
Get Herm's balls off of your chin. this is probably your worst article ever.

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 08:32 PM
You forgot to mention that Herm ''I don't panic'' Edwards traded a 2nd round pick for Justin Mcdroppins immediately after this ''I never panic'' crap with Coles. it was an awful trade done in haste. Also, Moss was not drafted after Coles left, you nitwit. they drafted Robertson that year.

DTLB58
04-18-2008, 08:35 PM
Is this the same person that started this thread?????

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=183108

How many of you are going to Arrowhead now?

I was going to go, but not after this shit. It ain't worth it.

I was assuming "this shit" meant the Allen trade.

What am I missing? :shake:

Brock
04-18-2008, 08:38 PM
Is this the same person that started this thread?????

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=183108

How many of you are going to Arrowhead now?

I was going to go, but not after this shit. It ain't worth it.

I was assuming "this shit" meant the Allen trade.

What am I missing? :shake:

He's got to get curled back up in Carl's lap right beside Nick.

Bowser
04-18-2008, 08:41 PM
I LIKE that boy! That boy knows how to WRITE, now!

Douche Baggins
04-18-2008, 08:42 PM
Also, Moss was not drafted after Coles left, you nitwit.

I never said he was.

Bearcat
04-18-2008, 08:42 PM
I'd feel better if that dumbass would panic for once.

When I read "Nope, Herm Edwards doesnít panic. Heís not about to start now." I thought "Ignorance is bliss, right?"

But donít panic. Herm Edwards isnít...

This type of writing is better suited for the Patriots' offseason or referring to Peyton Manning or Tony Dungy before they won the SB. You know, people/teams that have had real success and are looking to either go to the next level or regain what they once had.

If Herm loses his job, he'll get another one. I'll never get those 4 hours back that I spent watching the Chiefs/Colts in the playoffs, or the Chiefs/Colts game last year.

Bearcat
04-18-2008, 08:43 PM
I LIKE that boy! That boy knows how to WRITE, now!

Picture time!

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9360/hermmcdonaldskcnw5ja5.jpg

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 08:47 PM
I never said he was.

Despite losing Coles, Herm found a replacement in Santana Moss (who at the time had done nothing despite being drafted in the first round) and had the Jets back in the playoffs in 2004.

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 08:48 PM
Picture time!

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9360/hermmcdonaldskcnw5ja5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/newyorkjets/hermkillslarry.jpg

Douche Baggins
04-18-2008, 08:52 PM
Despite losing Coles, Herm found a replacement in Santana Moss (who at the time had done nothing despite being drafted in the first round) and had the Jets back in the playoffs in 2004.

What's your point? That statement doesn't indicate Moss was drafted after Coles. Indeed, it indicates Moss had done nothing with the Jets to that point in his career despite being drafted in the first round.

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 08:56 PM
What's your point? That statement doesn't indicate Moss was drafted after Coles. Indeed, it indicates Moss had done nothing with the Jets to that point in his career despite being drafted in the first round.

He was hurt, that's why he didn't play. you act like Herm only decided to play him after Coles left. which is far from true. you give Herm far too much credit for doing absolutely nothing.

Brock
04-18-2008, 08:58 PM
He was hurt, that's why he didn't play. you act like Herm only decided to play him after Coles left. which is far from true. you give Herm far too much credit for doing absolutely nothing.

Don't you have your own shitty coach and team to worry about?

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Don't you have your own shitty coach and team to worry about?

Nah, I'm having too much fun watching yours implode. I'm much more confident in the direction my ship is sailing.

The Chiefs = the titanic

Herm= the iceberg

Pestilence
04-18-2008, 09:00 PM
What's your point? That statement doesn't indicate Moss was drafted after Coles. Indeed, it indicates Moss had done nothing with the Jets to that point in his career despite being drafted in the first round.

I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just pointing out where it sounds weird.

Phobia
04-18-2008, 09:01 PM
It is pretty difficult to read a writer who bounces around like a 6 year old off the ADHD meds for the first time.

Are you ever planning to find a position and stick with it there, goatse?

Bwana
04-18-2008, 09:03 PM
Dear Herm:

Kiss our ass,

XOXO,

The Chief fans.

P.S.

Brock
04-18-2008, 09:05 PM
Nah, I'm having too much fun watching yours implode. I'm much more confident in the direction my ship is sailing.

The Chiefs = the titanic

Herm= the iceberg

Good luck with that. We have a shitty coach and a worse team, but at least we aren't delusional about it. Idiotic ass-kissing bloggers notwithstanding.

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 09:07 PM
Good luck with that. We have a shitty coach and a worse team, but at least we aren't delusional about it.

I feel lucky this year, thank you. and no, you guys aren't delusional about it, only goatse is. and that's who I'm calling out on this horseshit article.

Guru
04-18-2008, 09:17 PM
In Herm we (should) Trust? WHAT!!! More like... In Herm we CAN'T trust. In Herm we tie off his bowels and watch him suffer.

BigRock
04-18-2008, 09:27 PM
Nah, I'm having too much fun watching yours implode. I'm much more confident in the direction my ship is sailing.

The Chiefs = the titanic

Herm= the iceberg
How original.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2738/jetstitanicmm7.gif

el borracho
04-18-2008, 09:35 PM
I don't know why everyone is angry with 2112- all he did was point out that Moss' production in 2004 wasn't some inspired move by Herm.

Guru
04-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Nah, I'm having too much fun watching yours implode. I'm much more confident in the direction my ship is sailing.

The Chiefs = the titanic

Herm= the iceberg
Actually, we sank faster than the Titanic.

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 09:39 PM
How original.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2738/jetstitanicmm7.gif

Well, Mangini has only been a Head coach for 2 years. the jury is still out(this year is make or break). how many years of idiocy do Herm and Carl Peterson have combined? :eek:

Shocking! shocking I tell you!

BigRock
04-18-2008, 09:41 PM
Well, Mangini has only been a Head coach for 2 years. the jury is still out(this year is make or break). how many years of idiocy do Herm and Carl Peterson have combined? :eek:

Shocking! shocking I tell you!
Hey, I didn't draw it.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-18-2008, 09:42 PM
The Jets and the Chiefs have at least 2 more years of their current regime.

Bill Parcells
04-18-2008, 09:45 PM
Hey, I didn't draw it.

I never said you did. I've never even seen that before.

BigRock
04-18-2008, 10:00 PM
I never said you did.
I know. I'm just saying, somebody thinks the jury is in.

Psyko Tek
04-18-2008, 10:56 PM
my thoughts

cdcox
04-18-2008, 11:12 PM
He didn’t panic when Willie Roaf unexpectedly retired before the 2006 training camp.

But he should have because that was a unmitigated disaster

He didn’t panic when Trent Green went down with a concussion a few months later.

But he should have because that was a disaster of biblical proportions

He didn’t panic when Larry Johnson held out for months last offseason,

But he should have because LJ had his worst season as a Chief following it and got injured severly to top it off.

and he didn’t panic after opening two consecutive seasons at 0-2.

but he should have because 4-12 isn't exactly an improvement over 0-2.

A cool head is one thing, sitting in your house while it is on fire is another.

Fruit Ninja
04-18-2008, 11:16 PM
Hell, he's getting paid 2 million dollars fail or not. I wouldnt worry either.

Dick Bull
04-18-2008, 11:17 PM
nice writing

I'll have my five year old reply in crayola

Bill Parcells
04-19-2008, 05:50 AM
I know. I'm just saying, somebody thinks the jury is in.

Well, considering the fact that you think that Dick Curl is an improvement over Terry Shea, I'll take your opinion of me with a very small grain of salt.

How's that?

DenverChief
04-19-2008, 05:57 AM
A cool head is one thing, sitting in your house while it is on fire is another.

hey if it is cold outside :shrug:

King_Chief_Fan
04-19-2008, 06:02 AM
I don't trust a guy who has a job because he is the GM's buddy.]

He is a career loser and will never be anything else. He is not a head coach. Position coach at best.

Baby Lee
04-19-2008, 06:59 AM
[url]He didnít panic when Willie Roaf (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2475254) unexpectedly retired before the 2006 training camp. He didnít panic when Trent Green went down with a concussion a few months later. He didnít panic when Larry Johnson held out for months last offseason, and he didnít panic after opening two consecutive seasons at 0-2.

Nope, Herm Edwards doesnít panic. Heís not about to start now.
You know who else didn't panic? Terry Schiavo. She just took all those Chiefs developments in stride. Maybe she should be their coach, . . . OH WAIT, she's dead.

Douche Baggins
04-19-2008, 07:13 AM
You know who else didn't panic? Terry Schiavo. She just took all those Chiefs developments in stride. Maybe she should be their coach, . . . OH WAIT, she's dead.

LOL...I love this BB sometimes...

milkman
04-19-2008, 07:17 AM
Aren't you the same guy that led the "Germ Warfare" BS? So do you like herm or not? Make up your GD mind.

Changing the mind is a bitch's perogative.

BigChiefFan
04-19-2008, 08:16 AM
He didnít panic when Willie Roaf unexpectedly retired before the 2006 training camp.

But he should have because that was a unmitigated disaster

He didnít panic when Trent Green went down with a concussion a few months later.

But he should have because that was a disaster of biblical proportions

He didnít panic when Larry Johnson held out for months last offseason,

But he should have because LJ had his worst season as a Chief following it and got injured severly to top it off.

and he didnít panic after opening two consecutive seasons at 0-2.

but he should have because 4-12 isn't exactly an improvement over 0-2.

A cool head is one thing, sitting in your house while it is on fire is another.

Great post- I don't trust Herm in the least-he's just a glorified scout, who doesn't know shit about coaching. 2008 is going to be a long year.

StcChief
04-19-2008, 08:21 AM
You forgot to mention that Herm ''I don't panic'' Edwards traded a 2nd round pick for Justin Mcdroppins immediately after this ''I never panic'' crap with Coles. it was an awful trade done in haste. Also, Moss was not drafted after Coles left, you nitwit. they drafted Robertson that year.

sources/accuracy of work he's working into first rate shitty sports reporter that doesn't care about facts he reports

Mile High Mania
04-19-2008, 08:34 AM
This article makes for an average message board post... it's not even article worthy.

TinyEvel
04-19-2008, 09:20 AM
Herm doesn't panic. It's okaaaaaay. IT's okaaaaay It's Okaaaaay...to go 9-7 and 4-12.

xbarretx
04-19-2008, 10:25 AM
ok guys let me say this up front..

yes we all know that Goatse has a tendency to just zoom in from left field with some crazy stuff :p

that being said however, i think he makes a good subtle point. while many will be quick (or already have) dismissed Herm for poor coaching decisions...so far his ability to not panic (or not seem like he is) is a good quality to have. a panicing coach would be quick to make changes to give us any attempt to WIN NOW. sorry guys but after taking it in the :cuss: for the past 10 years with a WIN NOW attitude this approach is seemingly much better. Herm can stick to his plan and will hopefully continue to do so (yes i know you just said to yourself ... either A) HE HAS A PLAN? or B) WELL WTF IS HIS PLAN?)

Ergo, if he wins and improves the team.... his plan worked....if it doesnt then his plan sucks and i think he'll own up to it. eitehr way sticking to your guns is what KC needs b/c too often have we seen what happens when we make knee jerk reactions. (GREEN REPLACING HUARD AFTER HIS INJURY.... AS WELL AS THE SAME SITUATION WITH GANNON)

look, im crazy....i do like Herm... while id MUCH rather have Marty..i feel that Herms making a geniune effort to make improvments instead of lets just do this and that as a smoke screen to save my job.

IMHO thats what makes Goat's post a decent one. we all have crazy high expectations for this draft and i HOPE Herm can deliver. he always boasted his scout skills..lets see what he does with a colonic of picks this year.

CoMoChief
04-19-2008, 10:30 AM
This is just a terrible decision just about any way you look at it.

BigChiefFan
04-19-2008, 10:36 AM
Panic implies pressure. carl's twenty ****ing years of incompetency shows there isn't any pressure from the top, thus no panic. I hardly call ownership being lacksidasical, the same as Herm remaining cool under pressure. Where's the pressure to create any panic?-there isn't any. Sorry, but Herm's still a shitty coach.

Brock
04-19-2008, 10:37 AM
This is just a terrible decision just about any way you look at it.

Now I know it's a good idea.

Dave Lane
04-19-2008, 10:50 AM
Clayton,

Damn dude that was way beneath you. Is there really that much backlash to fear from the nitwits at 1 Arrowhead Dr? Why not be the courageous Skywalker and stand against the evil empire? In time you would be rewarded.

Dave

thurman merman
04-19-2008, 10:59 AM
He didnít panic when Willie Roaf unexpectedly retired before the 2006 training camp.

But he should have because that was a unmitigated disaster

He didnít panic when Trent Green went down with a concussion a few months later.

But he should have because that was a disaster of biblical proportions

He didnít panic when Larry Johnson held out for months last offseason,

But he should have because LJ had his worst season as a Chief following it and got injured severly to top it off.

and he didnít panic after opening two consecutive seasons at 0-2.

but he should have because 4-12 isn't exactly an improvement over 0-2.

A cool head is one thing, sitting in your house while it is on fire is another.

:clap:

Douche Baggins
04-27-2008, 08:13 PM
Trust the mother****er. Come on now.

bowener
04-27-2008, 08:33 PM
Im not sure but i dont think retarded children panic either; so whats your point?

banyon
04-27-2008, 08:36 PM
Trust the mother****er. Come on now.

I trust him to be a GM or talent scout. He's good at it.

Dayze
04-27-2008, 09:49 PM
I trust him to be a GM or talent scout. He's good at it.

concur.

Ari Chi3fs
04-27-2008, 09:52 PM
Herm would be a great Personnel man ONLY... not coaching. Maybe a Defensive Coordinator... but NOT head coach.

He picks some great players though.

TRR
04-27-2008, 09:58 PM
To me, there isn't too much to hate about Herm Edwards...

He is a classy guy, and his players seem to like playing for him. He duck taped a terrible KC team together in his first season, and took them to the playoffs, and after a terrible season that was over before it started, dismantled it, and is in the process of building it back up through hard work, young high character guys, and thinking just a bit outside the box.

I like the guy, and think he will grow into a good coach along with his team.

Fish
04-27-2008, 10:04 PM
LMAO

Herm love......

Rausch
04-27-2008, 10:21 PM
LMAO

Herm love......

I always did like the guy. I didn't always like what he did, but I like him overall. That said, the guy has to produce wins...

Mr Luzcious
04-27-2008, 10:27 PM
Wasn't there an article around this time last year with the exact same title? Maybe even written by the same guy? Maybe not.. but this still seems really really familiar.

Fish
04-27-2008, 10:32 PM
I always did like the guy. I didn't always like what he did, but I like him overall. That said, the guy has to produce wins...

He doesn't really have to produce wins.... he'd probably be more productive if we tanked and had another draft like this. Let him do what he's best at...

I'd never wish for that. I want to see them win every damn game.

But a situation down the road where Carl is sent on, Herm is promoted to GM, and a great field manager type coach is hired is starting to look acceptable. Few mentions of it here already....

Rausch
04-27-2008, 10:32 PM
Wasn't there an article around this time last year with the exact same title? Maybe even written by the same guy? Maybe not.. but this still seems really really familiar.

Nein. GOATSE is the douche that tried to rally hate for the Herm hiring. He couldn't stand the guy.

Now that Herm/Carl have pissed off a good half the fan base he has to switch sides in the argument to continue to be contrary. It's what makes his sausage stiff.

Mr Luzcious
04-27-2008, 10:32 PM
Nein. GOATSE is the douche that tried to rally hate for the Herm hiring. He couldn't stand the guy.

Now that Herm/Carl have pissed off a good half the fan base he has to switch sides in the argument to continue to be contrary. It's what makes his sausage stiff.

Well I'm SURE there was one out there.. somewhere.

Rausch
04-27-2008, 10:34 PM
He doesn't really have to produce wins.... he'd probably be more productive if we tanked and had another draft like this. Let him do what he's best at...

I'd never wish for that. I want to see them win every damn game.

But a situation down the road where Herm is promoted to GM and a great field manager type coach is hired is starting to look acceptable. Few mentions of it here already....

Let Herm/Carl finish their contracts and judge them over their 4 years. They had 4 years to build a team, not 2. It's not our fault they didn't decide to start a 4 year process until year 3.

Let Cowher have another year of vacation and then offer him the farm and two others down the road...

Douche Baggins
04-27-2008, 10:38 PM
Nein. GOATSE is the douche that tried to rally hate for the Herm hiring. He couldn't stand the guy.

Now that Herm/Carl have pissed off a good half the fan base he has to switch sides in the argument to continue to be contrary. It's what makes his sausage stiff.

NEIN

I hated Herm when he was hired. He won me over.

Douche Baggins
04-27-2008, 10:45 PM
Wasn't there an article around this time last year with the exact same title? Maybe even written by the same guy? Maybe not.. but this still seems really really familiar.

You might be thinking of one of these:

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/579155.html

http://kan.scout.com/2/658538.html

http://kan.scout.com/2/676725.html

http://kan.scout.com/2/644249.html

Mr Luzcious
04-27-2008, 10:50 PM
You might be thinking of one of these:

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/579155.html

http://kan.scout.com/2/658538.html

http://kan.scout.com/2/676725.html

http://kan.scout.com/2/644249.html

Could be. Maybe I'm thinking of something else. Football journalists seem pretty fond of recycling titles. I mean, how many times have you seen "hail to the chiefs."

Rausch
04-27-2008, 10:53 PM
NEIN

I hated Herm when he was hired. He won me over.

Excellent. You were wrong again and our side was right.

At least you're a little more honest now...

ChiefsFanatic
04-27-2008, 10:55 PM
Herm would be a great Personnel man ONLY... not coaching. Maybe a Defensive Coordinator... but NOT head coach.

He picks some great players though.

I know, it makes me sick thinking that we drafted some great players, and he will be their head coach. It is like funding a racing team and hiring a 55 year old asian woman to be your driver.