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Count Alex's Wins
04-19-2008, 11:12 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/583627.html

Trading Jared Allen might be the smart thing to do.Once Clark Hunt decided to retain Carl Peterson, the chance for the Chiefs to retain a happy, productive Jared Allen nearly evaporated.

At least for one more year, we’re stuck with The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl, so we might as well contemplate the idea of unloading Kansas City’s best football player for draft picks and whatever else the Vikings, Buccaneers or Team X is willing to give up.

Yes, it’s sad, an unfortunate consequence of the Hunts’ loyalty to a man who clearly doesn’t have the self-confidence to know when to say when. Hmm, when your employment stretches two decades and your postseason success can be documented in full detail on a matchbook, it’s time to say “when.”

And when your continued employment interferes with the club’s ability to negotiate in good faith with an ascending superstar and lone box-office draw, ownership should step in and dethrone you.
But I swore I was going to be positive about Clark Hunt’s new leadership. He’s learning to lead, and I can’t fault him for waiting to pull the trigger on his most important decision.

Given that circumstance, given the Chiefs’ 4-12 record and given the poor prospects of dramatic improvement in 2008, dealing Jared Allen to a new general manager does make sense.
Allen justifiably wants Dwight Freeney-like money ($30 million in guarantees). Allen’s numbers stack up to Freeney’s. Allen’s importance to the Chiefs surpasses Freeney’s value to the Colts.
But there is one rock-solid reason to pass on giving Allen $30 million: the Chiefs’ 4-12 record.

When your team goes 4-12, nobody is worth $30 million. The record isn’t Allen’s fault. He performed at a 15-1 level. But ownership, for the most part, hands out gigantic signing bonuses when the stadium is filled, team merchandise is flying off the shelf and the team is consistently flirting with the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs are running season-ticket billboards in Nebraska. Interest in the club is declining. Allen is blue-chip stock. Unfortunately, this isn’t the stock market. No one is advising Clark Hunt to double his investment while the franchise is at a low point.

He bought $19 million worth of Larry Johnson in 2007 and got a $19 return. Ouch. That will make a day-trader think twice.

So why not sell Allen now, especially if some franchise is willing to give up two first-round picks? The Chiefs are attempting to rebuild. They’re considering taking quarterback Matt Ryan with the No. 5 pick. They’re considering trading down to acquire more picks.

Kansas City needs players, lots of young players. The Chiefs will be lucky to win seven games this season. Maybe, they’ll be a playoff team in 2009. Generally speaking, it takes experience to win in the playoffs. That makes 2010 a best-scenario for the Chiefs to make a Super Bowl run.

Will Jared Allen still be Kansas City’s best defensive player in 2010, will he still be dominant and healthy in his seventh NFL season?

Allen is ready to win now. He can help some team make a Super Bowl push in the next three seasons. Hey, or maybe he’s the next Michael Strahan and can put together a long run of consistent high-level play.
If you were Clark Hunt, would you bet $30 million on that?

It keeps coming back to money. As Allen shops himself around the NFL, he might learn he can’t get Dwight Freeney money. Freeney got hurt shortly after signing his big deal. The Eagles spent a lot of money on Jevon Kearse a few years ago and got nothing to show for it. And Kansas City’s 4-12 record is going to be a problem for Allen.


Allen might only command $24 million in guarantees on the open market, which is still more money than Peterson and Hunt are probably ready to spend right now. And with Allen’s baggage — the DUIs and subsequent suspension — and an arbitrator’s decision to allow Michael Vick to keep $20 million of bonuses despite a jail sentence, Allen might find non-Peterson GMs more frugal than he expects.
There’s an outside shot — way outside — that Allen could roll the dice one last time, grudgingly accept the franchise salary (around $10 million) and put together one more blockbuster season in hopes that The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl gets axed after this season or develops pride and steps down.

OK, we know it’s going to take a SWAT team and federal agents to get Peterson to abandon his Plaza compound. He won’t go quietly. The only real question is how big of a mess will he leave.

From this vantage point, trading or signing Jared Allen could be messy. I won’t scream too loudly if Clark Hunt chooses the least-expensive mess.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-19-2008, 11:34 PM
Pretty damned good article that points out how hopeless we are.

BIG K
04-19-2008, 11:39 PM
Does this guy just peruse through the Chiefsplanet writing things down and then regirgitates what we have all been saying and call it his own?

Count Alex's Wins
04-19-2008, 11:40 PM
Does this guy just peruse through the Chiefsplanet writing things down and then regirgitates what we have all been saying and call it his own?

He's far too lazy for that.

DeezNutz
04-19-2008, 11:40 PM
My biggest objection here is that Whitlock overstates the case when saying that we'll be lucky to win 7. There's no way we sniff 7. 5-11 would max this team out, unless we hit the lotto next weekend.

milkman
04-19-2008, 11:44 PM
My biggest objection here is that Whitlock overstates the case when saying that we'll be lucky to win 7. There's no way we sniff 7. 5-11 would max this team out, unless we hit the lotto next weekend.

I'm hoping we have a season that challenges what the Dolphins did last year.

Maybe that'll get the shit cleaned out at Arrowhead.

Oh, hell, who am I kidding?

We'll never be rid of Carl and his minions.

Chiefmanwillcatch
04-19-2008, 11:44 PM
I am sure most of the gm's are extra cautious now about off field stuff with the precedent of Mich.V., especially with these stupid and ridiculous signing bonuses.

KcMizzou
04-19-2008, 11:48 PM
Does this guy just peruse through the Chiefsplanet writing things down and then regirgitates what we have all been saying and call it his own?In his defense... you could probably say that no matter what position he took. With the amount of shit we spew around here, we've pretty much got every possible opinion covered.

Count Alex's Wins
04-19-2008, 11:48 PM
Oh, hell, who am I kidding?

We'll never be rid of Carl and his minions.

WHITLOCK - Can Carl coach Chiefs?

WHITLOCK - Peterson's defensive plan seems sound

WHITLOCK - Carl's fourth-quarter gaffe costs Chiefs opener

Otter
04-19-2008, 11:49 PM
Bah

Deberg_1990
04-19-2008, 11:50 PM
I'm hoping we have a season that challenges what the Dolphins did last year.

Maybe that'll get the shit cleaned out at Arrowhead.

Oh, hell, who am I kidding?

We'll never be rid of Carl and his minions.

We all know all about its the $$$ with the Hunts. If the fans stop showing up, then Clark will have no option but to fire Carl.

BTW, good column Whitlock. I agreed with pretty much everything.

KcMizzou
04-19-2008, 11:50 PM
BTW, good column Whitlock. I agreed with pretty much everything.Likewise.

DeezNutz
04-19-2008, 11:50 PM
I'm hoping we have a season that challenges what the Dolphins did last year.

Maybe that'll get the shit cleaned out at Arrowhead.

Oh, hell, who am I kidding?

We'll never be rid of Carl and his minions.

I think you're going to be pleased then. Unless we have a freakishly unbelievable draft, I think there's almost no question we'll be one of the 5 worst teams in the league next year.

The only way I see this not being the case is if we land a defensive player or two that is freaking nails. Instant pro-bowler. Then, when we average 12.5 points per game on offense, we might still have a chance.

Deberg_1990
04-19-2008, 11:53 PM
I think you're going to be pleased then. Unless we have a freakishly unbelievable draft, I think there's almost no question we'll be one of the 5 worst teams in the league next year.

The only way I see this not being the case is if we land a defensive player or two that is freaking nails. Instant pro-bowler. Then, when we average 12.5 points per game on offense, we might still have a chance.

Even if we have a great draft, we will still have a bad season. Most young guys dont fully develop until about seasons 3-5.

DeezNutz
04-19-2008, 11:57 PM
Even if we have a great draft, we will still have a bad season. Most young guys dont fully develop until about seasons 3-5.

I agree. That's why I'm talking lotto. Pipe-dream stuff. There have been stud rookies on the defensive side before, even pro-bowlers, and we'd need to land a couple to even think about .500, IMO, particularly if Allen is traded.

Chiefmanwillcatch
04-19-2008, 11:59 PM
qb - not rookie

OL = not all rookies. 2 high draft picks. Solidified.

DL = One rookie D-end . Improvement from 2nd year players. Loss of Allen. But better up the middle run defense.

K= who knows

RB = good.

ClevelandBronco
04-20-2008, 12:04 AM
Trading Jared Allen might be the smart thing to do...

Apart from my "fandom," I really enjoy reading Jason's stuff.

BigRedChief
04-20-2008, 12:16 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/583627.html
There’s an outside shot — way outside — that Allen could roll the dice one last time, grudgingly accept the franchise salary (around $10 million) and put together one more blockbuster season in hopes that The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl gets axed after this season or develops pride and steps down.

OK, we know it’s going to take a SWAT team and federal agents to get Peterson to abandon his Plaza compound. He won’t go quietly. The only real question is how big of a mess will he leave.

From this vantage point, trading or signing Jared Allen could be messy. I won’t scream too loudly if Clark Hunt chooses the least-expensive mess.
This is just so frigging true that its funny.:doh!:

Chiefmanwillcatch
04-20-2008, 12:17 AM
JA and his drinking buddy agent need part of the blame.

BigRedChief
04-20-2008, 12:18 AM
Even if we have a great draft, we will still have a bad season. Most young guys dont fully develop until about seasons 3-5.
If anyone thinks that we can realistically make a Super Bowl run before 2010 then the homer glasses are permantently afixed to your head.

KcMizzou
04-20-2008, 12:24 AM
Apart from my "fandom," I really enjoy reading Jason's stuff.He really is a good writer. I'm starting to get a little bored with the hip-hop culture and race stuff though.

Conceptual
04-20-2008, 12:42 AM
I gotta admit, I dig it when Whitlock really starts goading and insulting Carl. I'm cheap that way.

"... or [Carl] develops pride and steps down" -- Jason's a talented instigator, whatever else can be said about him.

the Talking Can
04-20-2008, 12:45 AM
"But ownership, for the most part, hands out gigantic signing bonuses when the stadium is filled, team merchandise is flying off the shelf and the team is consistently flirting with the Super Bowl."



we haven't flirted with a superbowl since Marty left....

ClevelandBronco
04-20-2008, 12:51 AM
He really is a good writer. I'm starting to get a little bored with the hip-hop culture and race stuff though.

I agree that when a writer returns to a theme too often, he can become tedious.

However, I think that the theme Whitlock likes to revisit is a vitally important issue for the image of the NFL.

Fruit Ninja
04-20-2008, 12:54 AM
Most in 2003 said we were going to win it all. I know alot of the mainstream media was on the Chiefs bandwagon. I remember watching that shit. We choked to the Colts like always.

J Diddy
04-20-2008, 12:55 AM
"But ownership, for the most part, hands out gigantic signing bonuses when the stadium is filled, team merchandise is flying off the shelf and the team is consistently flirting with the Super Bowl."



we haven't flirted with a superbowl since Marty left....

we didn't flirt then

save once

KcMizzou
04-20-2008, 12:57 AM
we didn't flirt then

save onceC'mon man... that was more than flirting. That was at least 2nd base.

J Diddy
04-20-2008, 01:28 AM
C'mon man... that was more than flirting. That was at least 2nd base.


Oh we were ready to go, we just didn't sport the jimmy.

BigRedChief
04-20-2008, 01:36 AM
Most in 2003 said we were going to win it all. I know alot of the mainstream media was on the Chiefs bandwagon. I remember watching that shit. We choked to the Colts like always.
One of my foundest memorys as a Chiefs fan will always be after the game at Arrowhead when we went 9-0 and the crowd sponteanously started chanting 9 and 0, 9 and 0 we believed that this was our year. We were blind to how bad our defense was. We had already drinked the King Carl kool-aid earler that year.

Smed1065
04-20-2008, 01:45 AM
He's far too lazy for that.

But, But U said he would steal your "head" line?

You even started a thread of his article 3 days ago. Even though he was on vacation and did not write a column.

U are worse than him and R jealous. ROFL

Thats too funny but I understand living in a basement with mom.........

Guess that just means U were wrong again, like wpi and mad because U did not charge for it........

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-20-2008, 01:51 AM
One of my foundest memorys as a Chiefs fan will always be after the game at Arrowhead when we went 9-0 and the crowd sponteanously started chanting 9 and 0, 9 and 0 we believed that this was our year. We were blind to how bad our defense was. We had already drinked the King Carl kool-aid earler that year.

I remember some dude in my section chanting "9 and Oooooooooooo, I want a hooooooooooooo."

BigRedChief
04-20-2008, 02:21 AM
I remember some dude in my section chanting "9 and Oooooooooooo, I want a hooooooooooooo."
Typical Planet. One of my favorite memories becomes a poop thread.:cuss:

Smed1065
04-20-2008, 02:26 AM
The start of todays team?

I remember traveling to Indy, just to provide a spark....

I lost an authentic jersey and cash but had no flint, I tried a magnifying glass but they had a dome....:cuss:

BigRedChief
04-20-2008, 02:33 AM
The start of todays team?

I remember traveling to Indy, just to provide a spark....

I lost an authentic jersey and cash but had no flint, I tried a magnifying glass but they had a dome....:cuss:
See that was your issue. If you had a real Mustang intead of the rental we would have wom.

J Diddy
04-20-2008, 02:36 AM
See that was your issue. If you had a real Mustang intead of the rental we would have wom.

lol

Smed1065
04-20-2008, 02:38 AM
wom? That is what happened.
LOL

Sorry but I drive the best, worst investment that I can.
I supported a high resale value vehicle car in real life.....:shake:

BigRedChief
04-20-2008, 02:45 AM
wom? That is what happened.
LOL

Sorry but I drive the best, worst investment that I can.
I supported a high resale value vehicle car in real life.....:shake:
You are forgiven. Next time the Chiefs are in playoff contentiom in 2011 you make sure you are driving "real" :)

Smed1065
04-20-2008, 03:03 AM
You are forgiven. Next time the Chiefs are in playoff contentiom in 2011 you make sure you are driving "real" :)

Sorry but I am still driving the same car

But 2007 now.
LOL

I had a great time, TY.

I have an extra bedroom and free tickets already to this years game. You and Warpaint are welcome anytime! (with a 2 month warning)

They might not be 13 rows from the field but I am confident they would be close if I ask a friend.

I have room and board and tickets free for U2 for sure!

Seriously, If U want to come to a game in ATL- Let me know. You have to pay to get here (Mustang and gas) but I will feed U, provide (extra) bedroom and transport as well as game ticket.

If serious, I would be glad to pay U back or WP69.

I hope both.

shelbydog999
04-20-2008, 08:10 AM
ABSENT TRADE, VIKES “LIKELY” TO SIGN ALLEN AFTER DRAFT
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2008, 8:47 a.m.
We received a text message and a phone call late Saturday/early Sunday from a league source who shared with us a curious development regarding the Minnesota Vikings’ ongoing efforts to acquire Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen.

Per the source, the Vikings are “likely” to sign Allen to an offer sheet after next weekend’s draft, if a “fair” trade can’t be worked out before then.

The move meshes with the idea that came us to like an acorn to a blind squirrel on Saturday. With the Chiefs reportedly wanting a first-round pick and a second-round pick for Allen, why not simply nab Allen with a poison-pilled offer sheet and foist on the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2009 and 2010?

The fact that the Vikes apparenty plan to pursue this tactic is a strong indication that Allen’s visit to the Twin Cities has resulted in an agreement between the player and the Purple regarding the money that will be paid to the NFL’s sack leader in 2008.

But there’s a wild card in this scenario. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are reportedly interested in Allen, and could be squeezed into besting the Vikings’ pre-draft trade offer if the Bucs know that Allen would otherwise be poised to sign a post-draft offer sheet in Minnesota.

Then again, if Allen has made up his mind that he wants to play in the land of 10,000 lakes (but hopefully not 0.10 percent BAC), the Bucs will be out of the picture, and the question will be whether the Vikings get him before the draft, or after it.

A couple of readers have asked us whether the Vikings could sign Allen to an offer sheet right now, since it’s less than seven days before the first day of the draft. But even though a team with a franchise player has up to seven days to decide whether to match an offer sheet that he signs, the team can also decide before the seven days expire to not match it. In this case, doing so would give the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2008 and 2009.

And since the Chiefs would surely prefer to get extra draft picks for Allen right now (especially since G.M. Carl Peterson might not be around to use picks in 2009 and/or 2010), it’ll be critical for the Vikings to dust off the poison pill, if they want to be sure to acquire Allen. Otherwise, the Vikes will have merely negotiated on the Chiefs’ behalf Allen’s long-term contract to stay in Kansas City.

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VIKES CAN SIGN ALLEN POST-DRAFT
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2008, 11:04 p.m.
Earlier on Saturday, we floated the possibility of the Minnesota Vikings signing Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen to an offer sheet after the 2008 draft. If the Chiefs choose not to match the offer, they would be stuck with the Vikings’ first-round draft picks in 2009 and 2010.

Several readers asked whether such a move would be permissible, citing the Friday, April 18 deadline for signing players to offer sheets. Though vague, the CBA seemed to indicate that the pre-draft deadline applies only to restricted free agents, and not to franchise players. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed for us that there is no pre-draft deadline for signing franchise players to offer sheets.

Thus, if the Vikings believe that the team is going to be a solid contender over the next few years in a so-so NFC North (especially after Brett Favre’s retirement), why not make the run at Allen after the draft? The first-round picks in 2009 and 2010 will be low.

They’ll be even lower if the players whom the Vikes land in a 2008 draft that is deep but not top-heavy become solid contributors.

In our view, it’s a no-brainer. The Vikings should sign Allen to an offer sheet with a poison pill the moment after exercising the 17th overall selection in round one.

the Talking Can
04-20-2008, 08:36 AM
I will gladly take two future #1s...

beavis
04-20-2008, 08:50 AM
When your team goes 4-12, nobody is worth $30 million. The record isn’t Allen’s fault. He performed at a 15-1 level. But ownership, for the most part, hands out gigantic signing bonuses when the stadium is filled, team merchandise is flying off the shelf and the team is consistently flirting with the Super Bowl.

I'd agree with this if we weren't going to shell out similar money for the draft picks we're going to have to sign.

JBucc
04-20-2008, 08:53 AM
Future picks are always way devalued. Vikings will be regretting losing two firsts if they don't win something this year but I'll take it!

StcChief
04-20-2008, 08:53 AM
two more bad seasons....Carl is history.

Direckshun
04-20-2008, 09:45 AM
ABSENT TRADE, VIKES “LIKELY” TO SIGN ALLEN AFTER DRAFT
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2008, 8:47 a.m.
We received a text message and a phone call late Saturday/early Sunday from a league source who shared with us a curious development regarding the Minnesota Vikings’ ongoing efforts to acquire Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen.

Per the source, the Vikings are “likely” to sign Allen to an offer sheet after next weekend’s draft, if a “fair” trade can’t be worked out before then.

The move meshes with the idea that came us to like an acorn to a blind squirrel on Saturday. With the Chiefs reportedly wanting a first-round pick and a second-round pick for Allen, why not simply nab Allen with a poison-pilled offer sheet and foist on the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2009 and 2010?

The fact that the Vikes apparenty plan to pursue this tactic is a strong indication that Allen’s visit to the Twin Cities has resulted in an agreement between the player and the Purple regarding the money that will be paid to the NFL’s sack leader in 2008.

But there’s a wild card in this scenario. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are reportedly interested in Allen, and could be squeezed into besting the Vikings’ pre-draft trade offer if the Bucs know that Allen would otherwise be poised to sign a post-draft offer sheet in Minnesota.

Then again, if Allen has made up his mind that he wants to play in the land of 10,000 lakes (but hopefully not 0.10 percent BAC), the Bucs will be out of the picture, and the question will be whether the Vikings get him before the draft, or after it.

A couple of readers have asked us whether the Vikings could sign Allen to an offer sheet right now, since it’s less than seven days before the first day of the draft. But even though a team with a franchise player has up to seven days to decide whether to match an offer sheet that he signs, the team can also decide before the seven days expire to not match it. In this case, doing so would give the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2008 and 2009.

And since the Chiefs would surely prefer to get extra draft picks for Allen right now (especially since G.M. Carl Peterson might not be around to use picks in 2009 and/or 2010), it’ll be critical for the Vikings to dust off the poison pill, if they want to be sure to acquire Allen. Otherwise, the Vikes will have merely negotiated on the Chiefs’ behalf Allen’s long-term contract to stay in Kansas City.

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VIKES CAN SIGN ALLEN POST-DRAFT
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2008, 11:04 p.m.
Earlier on Saturday, we floated the possibility of the Minnesota Vikings signing Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen to an offer sheet after the 2008 draft. If the Chiefs choose not to match the offer, they would be stuck with the Vikings’ first-round draft picks in 2009 and 2010.

Several readers asked whether such a move would be permissible, citing the Friday, April 18 deadline for signing players to offer sheets. Though vague, the CBA seemed to indicate that the pre-draft deadline applies only to restricted free agents, and not to franchise players. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed for us that there is no pre-draft deadline for signing franchise players to offer sheets.

Thus, if the Vikings believe that the team is going to be a solid contender over the next few years in a so-so NFC North (especially after Brett Favre’s retirement), why not make the run at Allen after the draft? The first-round picks in 2009 and 2010 will be low.

They’ll be even lower if the players whom the Vikes land in a 2008 draft that is deep but not top-heavy become solid contributors.

In our view, it’s a no-brainer. The Vikings should sign Allen to an offer sheet with a poison pill the moment after exercising the 17th overall selection in round one.
I'm starting a topic on this.

eazyb81
04-20-2008, 09:46 AM
I'm starting a topic on this.

good, we are running low on JA threads. :)

TEX
04-20-2008, 09:50 AM
There’s an outside shot — way outside — that Allen could roll the dice one last time, grudgingly accept the franchise salary (around $10 million) and put together one more blockbuster season in hopes that The Artist Formerly Known as King Carl gets axed after this season or develops pride and steps down.
_________________________________________________________________

I've been in this camp from the beginning. Hopefully J.A.'s still around when Carl AND Herm get axed after the season. :grovel:

KevB
04-20-2008, 09:52 AM
I have a very hard time believing the Vikings could use any kind of "poison pill" that the Chiefs couldn't match. I have to believe the Chiefs have more money under the cap today and going forward with all the youth they plan to bring in. Are the Vikings really willing to bet that the Chiefs won't re-sign their best player? If I were the Vikings, I wouldn't make that bet when it appears all I need to do to get the deal done today is give up a 2nd instead of a 3rd. If they want him that badly, I'd give up the 1st and 2nd and call it a day.

BigChiefFan
04-20-2008, 11:25 AM
The problem with using the franchise tag is JA would cost us $10 mill in ONE season-we are better served giving him the $30 mil in signing bonus and spread that over the 7 years. Hell, using the franchise tag for two more seasons would mean we gave him
2/3rds of the money the Vikings are talking about spreading out over 7 years.

We either need to get a long-term deal done or we need to trade him.

J Diddy
04-20-2008, 11:35 AM
I have a very hard time believing the Vikings could use any kind of "poison pill" that the Chiefs couldn't match. I have to believe the Chiefs have more money under the cap today and going forward with all the youth they plan to bring in. Are the Vikings really willing to bet that the Chiefs won't re-sign their best player? If I were the Vikings, I wouldn't make that bet when it appears all I need to do to get the deal done today is give up a 2nd instead of a 3rd. If they want him that badly, I'd give up the 1st and 2nd and call it a day.

If Minnesota puts a large signing bonus in there I don't think the chiefs will match.

If

DTLB58
04-20-2008, 03:44 PM
ABSENT TRADE, VIKES “LIKELY” TO SIGN ALLEN AFTER DRAFT
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2008, 8:47 a.m.
We received a text message and a phone call late Saturday/early Sunday from a league source who shared with us a curious development regarding the Minnesota Vikings’ ongoing efforts to acquire Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen.

Per the source, the Vikings are “likely” to sign Allen to an offer sheet after next weekend’s draft, if a “fair” trade can’t be worked out before then.

The move meshes with the idea that came us to like an acorn to a blind squirrel on Saturday. With the Chiefs reportedly wanting a first-round pick and a second-round pick for Allen, why not simply nab Allen with a poison-pilled offer sheet and foist on the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2009 and 2010?

The fact that the Vikes apparenty plan to pursue this tactic is a strong indication that Allen’s visit to the Twin Cities has resulted in an agreement between the player and the Purple regarding the money that will be paid to the NFL’s sack leader in 2008.

But there’s a wild card in this scenario. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are reportedly interested in Allen, and could be squeezed into besting the Vikings’ pre-draft trade offer if the Bucs know that Allen would otherwise be poised to sign a post-draft offer sheet in Minnesota.

Then again, if Allen has made up his mind that he wants to play in the land of 10,000 lakes (but hopefully not 0.10 percent BAC), the Bucs will be out of the picture, and the question will be whether the Vikings get him before the draft, or after it.

A couple of readers have asked us whether the Vikings could sign Allen to an offer sheet right now, since it’s less than seven days before the first day of the draft. But even though a team with a franchise player has up to seven days to decide whether to match an offer sheet that he signs, the team can also decide before the seven days expire to not match it. In this case, doing so would give the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2008 and 2009.

And since the Chiefs would surely prefer to get extra draft picks for Allen right now (especially since G.M. Carl Peterson might not be around to use picks in 2009 and/or 2010), it’ll be critical for the Vikings to dust off the poison pill, if they want to be sure to acquire Allen. Otherwise, the Vikes will have merely negotiated on the Chiefs’ behalf Allen’s long-term contract to stay in Kansas City.

Permalink | Comments Back to Top
VIKES CAN SIGN ALLEN POST-DRAFT
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2008, 11:04 p.m.
Earlier on Saturday, we floated the possibility of the Minnesota Vikings signing Kansas City Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen to an offer sheet after the 2008 draft. If the Chiefs choose not to match the offer, they would be stuck with the Vikings’ first-round draft picks in 2009 and 2010.

Several readers asked whether such a move would be permissible, citing the Friday, April 18 deadline for signing players to offer sheets. Though vague, the CBA seemed to indicate that the pre-draft deadline applies only to restricted free agents, and not to franchise players. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed for us that there is no pre-draft deadline for signing franchise players to offer sheets.

Thus, if the Vikings believe that the team is going to be a solid contender over the next few years in a so-so NFC North (especially after Brett Favre’s retirement), why not make the run at Allen after the draft? The first-round picks in 2009 and 2010 will be low.

They’ll be even lower if the players whom the Vikes land in a 2008 draft that is deep but not top-heavy become solid contributors.

In our view, it’s a no-brainer. The Vikings should sign Allen to an offer sheet with a poison pill the moment after exercising the 17th overall selection in round one.
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April 19: Owner Zygi Wilf attempted to downplay talk the Vikings were on the verge of working out a trade with Kansas City or a multiyear contract for Allen, according to the Star Tribune. "You have to deal with Kansas City, you have to deal with Jared," said Wilf. "It's a whole aspect, and you have to weigh that with what's best for the club. That's ultimately what's most important." Head coach Brad Childress said the Vikings would not sign Allen to an offer sheet, giving up two first-round picks if the Chiefs decide not to match. More

penchief
04-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Whitlock is no better than Carl Peterson. I get so sick of reading about Whitlock's personal vendetta against Peterson. Is CP a great NFL GM? Probably not. But when one reads Whitlock's bullshit it is so obvious that he has an issue with Carl Peterson that makes his tripe intolerable, too.