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eazyb81
04-21-2008, 12:48 PM
http://min.scout.com/a.z?s=63&p=2&c=748330&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fmin.scout.com%2f2%2f748330.html

According to a source in the Vikings organization, they have increased their trade offer for Jared Allen to 1st and 3rd round picks in 2008 and a 2nd round pick in 2009.

They're starting to bend.....

Sure-Oz
04-21-2008, 12:49 PM
They should, i hope that is the case, even though i want their 2nd this year!

nychief
04-21-2008, 12:49 PM
http://min.scout.com/a.z?s=63&p=2&c=748330&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fmin.scout.com%2f2%2f748330.html

According to a source in the Vikings organization, they have increased their trade offer for Jared Allen to 1st and 3rd round picks in 2008 and a 2nd round pick in 2009.

They're starting to bend.....



what did savage give up for quinn last year?

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 12:51 PM
what did savage give up for quinn last year?

Their 2nd round pick last year, and the 1st rounder this year.

eazyb81
04-21-2008, 12:52 PM
They should, i hope that is the case, even though i want their 2nd this year!

Depending on what value chart you look at, their 3rd in 2008 and 2nd in 2009 is basically equal to a 2nd in 2008.

I still don't think Carl will accept this just because he gets a sick thrill out of being a SOB during negotiations.

StcChief
04-21-2008, 12:52 PM
so McKinnie is out? 1st/3rd now and 2nd in 2009 which would likely be upper 50s.

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 12:52 PM
We might be at proper compensation, now.

I'll have to think about it.

Sure-Oz
04-21-2008, 12:52 PM
Depending on what value chart you look at, their 3rd in 2008 and 2nd in 2009 is basically equal to a 2nd in 2008.

I still don't think Carl will accept this just because he gets a sick thrill out of being a SOB during negotiations.

Someone needs to pop that head of his

Uncle_Ted
04-21-2008, 12:56 PM
DAMMIT CARL :cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:

... oh wait, I mean DO IT CARL!!!

The case: Carl is hesitant to break the bank to sign JA because he's a DUI away from a one-year suspension; JA has been a baby about it and doesn't want to be here, and an NFC team is offering 3 first day (or at least what used to be first-day) draft picks. Hate to lose JA, but it's not a bad deal.

TEX
04-21-2008, 12:58 PM
I'd ask for a 1st and 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.

markk
04-21-2008, 12:58 PM
i would accept that trade. that is just as good as a 1 and 2 this year, I think. Maybe a little better.

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 12:59 PM
We might be at proper compensation, now.

I'll have to think about it.

Nothing to think about in my book.

Get it done, Carl.

No one else is going to give you THREE early picks for Allen, IMO.

Count Zarth
04-21-2008, 12:59 PM
I'd rather have a 1st and 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.

It doesn't really matter. We're not going to the Super Bowl this year.

Guru
04-21-2008, 12:59 PM
Somethings amiss here.

Mr. Kotter
04-21-2008, 01:00 PM
http://min.scout.com/a.z?s=63&p=2&c=748330&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fmin.scout.com%2f2%2f748330.html

According to a source in the Vikings organization, they have increased their trade offer for Jared Allen to 1st and 3rd round picks in 2008 and a 2nd round pick in 2009.

They're starting to bend.....

Two "average (mid-round)" first round picks equals about 2,000 points on the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart.....they are offering about 1500-1600 points in return. It's closer, but they need to kick in another mid-round choice IMHO.

:shrug:

1st and 3rd this year.....2nd and 3rd next year? Then we'd be talking.... ;)

http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

HolmeZz
04-21-2008, 01:01 PM
Make it a 1st next year and let's get it done with.

eazyb81
04-21-2008, 01:01 PM
Minnesota has two 3rd round draft picks this year - #73 and #82.

I'm sure the next sticking point will be which 3rd round pick they are offering.

KCUnited
04-21-2008, 01:01 PM
Its good, but JA just got to Tampa and they already threw in another pick. I'd sit tight.

TEX
04-21-2008, 01:02 PM
It doesn't really matter. We're not going to the Super Bowl this year.

Yeah - I know but I figure that the VIKES might. They'll at least be better next year than this. That 2nd rounder next year will be close to a 3rd. I just want the most I can get now - they're getting that - right?

BigRedChief
04-21-2008, 01:02 PM
They won't get a #1 and #2 this year. No team is going to do that on top of committing $25-$30 million to JA that they can't get back.

The Vikes 1st and their first 3rd rounder this year and 2nd in 2009 is probably the best deal they will get for JA.

DaKCMan AP
04-21-2008, 01:04 PM
Two "average (mid-round)" first round picks equals about 2,000 points on the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart.....they are offering about 1500-1600 points in return. It's closer, but they need to kick in another mid-round choice IMHO.

:shrug:

1st and 3rd this year.....2nd and 3rd next year? Then we'd be talking.... ;)

http://www.theredzone.org/2006/draft/draftvaluechart.asp

Two first round picks (2008 and 2009) are not worth about 2,000 points. Given that a 1st round pick next year is equal to a 2nd round pick this year, two mid-round 1st round picks are about 1500 points.

Their #17 pick and their 1st 3rd round pick (#73) are combined 1175pts. Add a mid-round 2nd from next year (equivalent to a mid-round 3rd this year) and you get another 195 which gives a total of 1370.

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 01:05 PM
sign right now...I want that....please Carl

Count Zarth
04-21-2008, 01:06 PM
sign right now...I want that....please Carl

Don't worry. Carl will see if the other teams want to offer more first.

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 01:06 PM
They won't get a #1 and #2 this year. No team is going to do that on top of committing $25-$30 million to JA that they can't get back.

The Vikes 1st and their first 3rd rounder this year and 2nd in 2009 is probably the best deal they will get for JA.
I'm starting to agree.

I wouldn't mind throwing them a mid-rounder if it means one of those picks gets upgraded, though.

Like... They get Jared Allen and a 5th, we get a 2008 1st and 2nd, and a 2009 2nd.

I don't know the math behind it, but I'd like it.

dirk digler
04-21-2008, 01:06 PM
I would take the deal in a heartbeat if Carl and Herm weren't running this team

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 01:07 PM
a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for a player is a good deal...3 picks is a good deal...take it

Pestilence
04-21-2008, 01:08 PM
I'd take it.

Even though the contract in place is cheap....I don't think that Allen will sign with us. He wants to leave.....take the picks and let him go.

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 01:08 PM
Don't worry. Carl will see if the other teams want to offer more first.

well, sure...I'm just a bit excited

when have we ever been in a situation where teams are bidding against each other for something we have?

this is good

Rain Man
04-21-2008, 01:12 PM
well, sure...I'm just a bit excited

when have we ever been in a situation where teams are bidding against each other for something we have?

this is good

Good in a Soviet Union and Germany arguing about out how to divvy Poland kind of way, perhaps.

Count Zarth
04-21-2008, 01:14 PM
Good in a Soviet Union and Germany arguing about out how to divvy Poland kind of way, perhaps.

Think positive, Rain Man!

What if the Chiefs drafted Chris Long this year, then used that extra 1st, 2nd and 3rd to draft:

A franchise left tackle
A complementary starting wide receiver
A stud offensive guard

Sure, it's optimistic...but it could happen! Jared Allen could be our Jesus Christ! His sacrifice could forgive the sins of Carl's past 19 years!

Coogs
04-21-2008, 01:14 PM
An extra 2nd rounder next year might not be all bad, even if it is pick #64. And you never know, it could be much higher. Things happen. For example, who would have ever thought the Cleveland pick that Dallas got would not have been in the top 5, maybe even top 2 or 3? Same thing in reverse could happen for the Vikings.

As far as doing all the picks this year. Minnesota does not want to do #17 (worth 950 points) and #47 (worth 430 points), which is a total of 1380 points.

But they would go #17 and a 3rd... I'll use the higher pick here which could be the wrong one... at #73(worth 225 points) for a total of 1175 points.

How about this, which is somewhere in the middle of those two things...

We give them our 3rd at #66 which is worth 260 points, and they give us their 1st (950), 2nd (430), and lower 3rd which is #82 (180). That has a total point value of 1300, which is pretty well meeting in the middle.

Gives us
#5
#17
#35
#47
#82

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 01:15 PM
Good in a Soviet Union and Germany arguing about out how to divvy Poland kind of way, perhaps.

more like a Pakistani nuclear scientist selling secrets to the highest bidder...

stlchiefs
04-21-2008, 01:16 PM
Think positive, Rain Man!

What if the Chiefs drafted Chris Long this year, then used that extra 1st, 2nd and 3rd to draft:



There's no way the Chiefs get Long in their current spot.

Sure-Oz
04-21-2008, 01:16 PM
There's no way the Chiefs get Long in their current spot.

He's gone with the #1 pick, it seems that we won't get a shot at Dorsey/the other Long either...we'll see what we get at 5, Ryan could be gone as well

KCUnited
04-21-2008, 01:19 PM
I'd personally wait until draft day and see how the 1st 4 picks play out before I make any decision. Dorsey falling to us shines a whole new light on the possibility of matching an offer for Allen. The safety net is, if we don't match, we get 2 1st's.

Coogs
04-21-2008, 01:21 PM
I'd personally wait until draft day and see how the 1st 4 picks play out before I make any decision. Dorsey falling to us shines a whole new light on the possibility of matching an offer for Allen. The safety net is, if we don't match, we get 2 1st's.

Except he hasn't signed an offer sheet yet.

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 01:21 PM
I'd personally wait until draft day and see how the 1st 4 picks play out before I make any decision. Dorsey falling to us shines a whole new light on the possibility of matching an offer for Allen. The safety net is, if we don't match, we get 2 1st's.

What makes you think we even WANT to match an offer?

KCUnited
04-21-2008, 01:25 PM
What makes you think we even WANT to match an offer?

I'm not saying we do. I'm saying that if the best DT prospect in the draft falls to us at 5 would make me think hard about it. Also, I recoginize that Allen hasn't signed an offer sheet yet, but he's still visiting the 2nd team that has shown interest. Why not wait and see where the fair market values him. I'm all for getting what's best for this team.

xbarretx
04-21-2008, 01:27 PM
Someone needs to pop that head of his

:Lin:

SBK
04-21-2008, 01:27 PM
Jeesh, I still think 2 #1's is better, but it wouldn't be much better. Someone needs to write 'Walker' on the back of a Vikings 69 Jersey....

Pestilence
04-21-2008, 01:28 PM
What makes you think we even WANT to match an offer?

What makes you think that he'll sign with us?

Pitt Gorilla
04-21-2008, 01:29 PM
Its good, but JA just got to Tampa and they already threw in another pick. I'd sit tight.Yup. I dislike Carl a great deal, but so far, so good.

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 01:29 PM
What makes you think that he'll sign with us?

I don't think he will, personally.

I think he'll take the change of scenery and a chance to win now, even if it means backing off a bit from his Freeney-like contract demands.

Pestilence
04-21-2008, 01:33 PM
I don't think he will, personally.

I think he'll take the change of scenery and a chance to win now, even if it means backing off a bit from his Freeney-like contract demands.

My thoughts exactly....

BigRedChief
04-21-2008, 01:40 PM
Jeesh, I still think 2 #1's is better, but it wouldn't be much better. Someone needs to write 'Walker' on the back of a Vikings 69 Jersey....
No way are we getting 2 #1's. No team will ever give 2 #1's again unless its Tom Brady or Payton etc.

They don't even have to talk to the Chiefs is they are willing to do that.

JohnnyV13
04-21-2008, 01:43 PM
Think positive, Rain Man!

What if the Chiefs drafted Chris Long this year, then used that extra 1st, 2nd and 3rd to draft:

A franchise left tackle
A complementary starting wide receiver
A stud offensive guard

Sure, it's optimistic...but it could happen! Jared Allen could be our Jesus Christ! His sacrifice could forgive the sins of Carl's past 19 years!


That would cast Carl Peterson in the role of St. Peter. While many on here would love to see CP crucified upside down, I don't think anyone want him to be the rock upon which New Arrowhead is built.

Frazod
04-21-2008, 01:44 PM
I don't want to trade him, but if we have to (DIE CARL :# ) this is acceptable compensation. A 2nd is still a 2nd next year.

Warrior5
04-21-2008, 01:49 PM
Dolphins | Team interested in Allen?
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:33:01 -0700

GOATSE, of Chiefsplanet, reports the Miami Dolphins are in the mix for the services of Kansas City Chiefs DL Jared Allen. The Dolphins could potentially package DE Jason Taylor and their first round pick of the 2008 NFL draft for Allen. This would allow the Chiefs to select OT Jake Long with the first pick.

Sure-Oz
04-21-2008, 01:52 PM
Dolphins | Team interested in Allen?
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:33:01 -0700

GOATSE, of Chiefsplanet, reports the Miami Dolphins are in the mix for the services of Kansas City Chiefs DL Jared Allen. The Dolphins could potentially package DE Jason Taylor and their first round pick of the 2008 NFL draft for Allen. This would allow the Chiefs to select OT Jake Long with the first pick.

lmfao

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 01:57 PM
Dolphins | Team interested in Allen?
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:33:01 -0700

GOATSE, of Chiefsplanet, reports the Miami Dolphins are in the mix for the services of Kansas City Chiefs DL Jared Allen. The Dolphins could potentially package DE Jason Taylor and their first round pick of the 2008 NFL draft for Allen. This would allow the Chiefs to select OT Jake Long with the first pick.
WTF? LOLZ

Count Zarth
04-21-2008, 01:59 PM
Dolphins | Team interested in Allen?
Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:33:01 -0700

GOATSE, of Chiefsplanet, reports the Miami Dolphins are in the mix for the services of Kansas City Chiefs DL Jared Allen. The Dolphins could potentially package DE Jason Taylor and their first round pick of the 2008 NFL draft for Allen. This would allow the Chiefs to select OT Jake Long with the first pick.

What the hell?

beach tribe
04-21-2008, 02:00 PM
This is sounding pretty good. Those are valuable picks for a team rebuilding.

SBK
04-21-2008, 02:01 PM
The Dolphins rumor comes to us from findthedr.

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 02:01 PM
What the hell?

now you know how we feel reading WPI....

Pestilence
04-21-2008, 02:02 PM
The Dolphins rumor comes to us from findthedr.

ROFL


Only if they throw in Trevor Laws when they draft him.

Count Zarth
04-21-2008, 02:03 PM
now you know how we feel reading WPI....

Newsflash dumbass...all this Allen news today is coming from Nick.

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 02:10 PM
God I really hope Trevor Laws busts.

If he turns out to be good findthedr will come back and we'll never hear the end of it.

penchief
04-21-2008, 02:11 PM
It's a tough call. Allen is a premier talent just coming into his prime. A first and third this year and a second next year could turn out to be undercompensation because I believe he has the potential to be better than Jason Taylor.

On the other hand, Allen doesn't want to play for us. AND, I think Herm's talent evaluation is far superior to the Vermeil era's. If we can pick up a first, second, and third; I'd say that's acceptable compensation.

However, I really believe that fair compensation would be two firsts OR a first and second this year and a second next year. The bottom line is that Allen is a stud in his prime with questionable character. We're rebuildining our team and three first day picks is the asking price for an All-Pro just entering into his prime, IMO.

Hoover
04-21-2008, 02:26 PM
It's a tough call. Allen is a premier talent just coming into his prime. A first and third this year and a second next year could turn out to be undercompensation because I believe he has the potential to be better than Jason Taylor.

On the other hand, Allen doesn't want to play for us. AND, I think Herm's talent evaluation is far superior to the Vermeil era's. If we can pick up a first, second, and third; I'd say that's acceptable compensation.

However, I really believe that fair compensation would be two firsts OR a first and second this year and a second next year. The bottom line is that Allen is a stud in his prime with questionable character. We're rebuildining our team and three first day picks is the asking price for an All-Pro just entering into his prime, IMO.
A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd is a good deal IMO.

If Allen didn't have any personal problems I can see a team giving up the 2 first round picks, but with the possibility that they have to trust this guy stays clean we are still making out well in this deal. In fact I'm shocked that they are offering the 2nd in 09.

Mecca
04-21-2008, 02:29 PM
In my view the most the Chiefs will get is a 1 and a 3 this year and a 2 next or a 1 and their 2 3's this year.

BigRock
04-21-2008, 02:30 PM
Newsflash dumbass...all this Allen news today is coming from Nick.
That little nugget should have been a disclaimer at the top of the thread.

Dave Lane
04-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Sold maybe herm won't have a chance to **** up the 2nd rounder...

Dave

Coogs
04-21-2008, 02:35 PM
Actually, the Vikings schedule looks to be sort of a tough one. A 2nd next year might be a good thing.

1 Sep 8 MIN @ GB 7:00 PM
2 Sep 14 IND @ MIN 1:00 PM
3 Sep 21 CAR @ MIN 1:00 PM
4 Sep 28 MIN @ TEN 1:00 PM
5 Oct 06 MIN @ NO 8:30 PM
6 Oct 12 DET @ MIN 1:00 PM
7 Oct 19 MIN @ CHI 1:00 PM
8 Bye
9 Nov 02 HOU @ MIN 1:00 PM
10 Nov 09 GB @ MIN 1:00 PM
11 Nov 16 MIN @ TB 1:00 PM
12 Nov 23 MIN @ JAC 1:00 PM
13 Nov 30 CHI @ MIN 8:15 PM
14 Dec 07 MIN @ DET 1:00 PM
15 Dec 14 MIN @ ARI 4:05 PM
16 Dec 21 ATL @ MIN 1:00 PM
17 Dec 28 NYG @ MIN 1:00 PM

BigMeatballDave
04-21-2008, 02:36 PM
I'd ask for a 1st and 2nd this year and a 3rd next year.What he said.

penchief
04-21-2008, 02:37 PM
What he said.

That does sound like the fairest deal.

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 02:51 PM
Newsflash dumbass...all this Allen news today is coming from Nick.

newsflash: you should hang out at WPI with people who care....

Count Zarth
04-21-2008, 02:54 PM
newsflash: you should hang out at WPI with people who care....

Tons of people here care about the latest Nick had to report. You're welcome.

philfree
04-21-2008, 03:44 PM
It's not two 1st but If we are gonna let Allen go then that's not a bad deal. We'll have so many picks in the 2008 and 2009 drafts that we should have several trade up options if we desire a certain player. We could end up with the first pick in this years draft by trading with the Dolphins even. We could trade the 17th overall and a combination of 2nd and 3rd rounders. We could actually end up with two elite players from this draft. J Long and Dorsey or Long and Long or J Long and Ryan. Or we can make our picks and be in a position to trade up in next years draft. It would be nice to have draft day options for a change.

PhilFree:arrow:

J Diddy
04-21-2008, 03:46 PM
Newsflash dumbass...all this Allen news today is coming from Nick.


so what you're saying is it's incorrect

xbarretx
04-21-2008, 04:33 PM
. We could actually end up with two elite players from this draft. J Long and Dorsey or Long and Long or J Long and Ryan.

PhilFree:arrow:

Dude, il buy a ticket to that show! :hail: only question is .. hows it happen?

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 04:47 PM
I continue to say we should wheel and deal our late rounders.

Like -- Jared Allen and one of our 5ths this year for their 1st and 2nd in 2008, and their 2nd in 2009.

DTLB58
04-21-2008, 08:30 PM
A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd is a good deal IMO.

If Allen didn't have any personal problems I can see a team giving up the 2 first round picks, but with the possibility that they have to trust this guy stays clean we are still making out well in this deal. In fact I'm shocked that they are offering the 2nd in 09.

Yep, I would go with a Lawerence Welk trade...a 1 and a 2 and a 3.....Berman would love that, hasn't been able to say that in a while.