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SNR
04-21-2008, 02:33 PM
What do you think happens next season? Herm does the usual "open competition" for the starting job? Will Brodie still (at least temporarily) win the starting job? Does Huard get sent to the glue factory? Does Huard start the season as we wait for Ryan to get acquainted with the team and the NFL? Do Brodie, Ryan, and Huard get their legs broken and Tyler Thigpen steps in during the preason and lights things up?

Pestilence
04-21-2008, 02:35 PM
Ryan and Croyle will battle it out for the starting job. Huard gets the ax and Thigpen is our 3rd string.

Or Herm could keep all 4 on the roster....because God knows we'll need them all.

Warrior5
04-21-2008, 02:35 PM
They melt in place, just like this board will...

Count Alex's Wins
04-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Brodie will bury himself deep in the twin peaks of Kelli.

el borracho
04-21-2008, 02:37 PM
Huard should be the last option and the 1st QB cut from the team if we pick up a 3rd QB in the draft.

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 02:38 PM
He better be the Day One starter then.

I know everyone wants to sit a young QB for a year, but we have NOTHING to lose by trying to reduce his learning curve.

We're NOT going to compete this year. Playing the game is the only way he's going to grow as a QB.

I'm one of the biggest Croyle supporters here, but if you use a Top 5 pick on a QB, he's gotta play.

Playing Croyle for 2008 solves nothing.

Coogs
04-21-2008, 02:40 PM
Believe it or not, I would keep and start Huard. If we have a very young O-line, which it appears we will, having an experienced QB to call out where the blitzes are comming from may help that line gel faster. Let Ryan be the backup so he gets more snaps in practice. Let Croyle and Thigpen battle it out for the #3 spot, and possibly keep them both.

Then around game 11, I would start Ryan. Then after the season... bye-bye Huard.

SNR
04-21-2008, 02:42 PM
He better be the Day One starter then.

I know everyone wants to sit a young QB for a year, but we have NOTHING to lose by trying to reduce his learning curve.

We're NOT going to compete this year. Playing the game is the only way he's going to grow as a QB.

I'm one of the biggest Croyle supporters here, but if you use a Top 5 pick on a QB, he's gotta play.

Playing Croyle for 2008 solves nothing.How do you explain the Chargers with Brees and Rivers, then? I know that was kinda lucky for them, but still, there might be something to be said about taking the future of the franchise and allowing him to absorb everything.

Though I do agree with you; I fail to see how Croyle needed to be pampered and given a suitable offensive line to be protected otherwise he would snap like a twig. Isn't that the case for ANY QB we put behind center?

Warrior5
04-21-2008, 02:42 PM
Then around game 11, I would start Ryan. Then after the season... bye-bye Huard.

So you're assuming Huard would survive ten games?

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 02:42 PM
Believe it or not, I would keep and start Huard.

I will find you.

I will kill everything you love.

Gonzo
04-21-2008, 02:44 PM
We fuse all three of them together in the lab and make one giant piece of shit instead of three little dingleberrys.

Coogs
04-21-2008, 02:44 PM
I will find you.

I will kill everything you love.


ROFL


Just 'til the new O-line gels TC! Then he is gone.

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 02:45 PM
How do you explain the Chargers with Brees and Rivers, then? I know that was kinda lucky for them, but still, there might be something to be said about taking the future of the franchise and allowing him to absorb everything.

Though I do agree with you; I fail to see how Croyle needed to be pampered and given a suitable offensive line to be protected otherwise he would snap like a twig. Isn't that the case for ANY QB we put behind center?

Apples and oranges IMO.

Brees was an established QB.

I'd rather play him and find out he's a bust in 2010 instead of 2011 or later.

markk
04-21-2008, 02:46 PM
i am sure carl would do the dumbest thing possible which would be to start huard again.

SNR
04-21-2008, 02:48 PM
Apples and oranges IMO.

Brees was an established QB.

I'd rather play him and find out he's a bust in 2010 instead of 2011 or later.What do you mean by established? His record up to that point wasn't anything to sing about and he appeared shaky as a starting QB. He was mistake-prone and it didn't appear at the time that he could take control of the Chargers franchise

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 02:48 PM
you play Brodie...if he plays well then he has increased trade value (or hell, maybe he becomes the QBOTF)

if he sucks or gets injured, then you play Ryan later in the season...

you gain nothing by playing Huard....NOTHING

el borracho
04-21-2008, 02:50 PM
We fuse all three of them together in the lab and make one giant piece of shit instead of three little dingleberrys.

ROFL

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 02:51 PM
What do you mean by established? His record up to that point wasn't anything to sing about and he appeared shaky as a starting QB. He was mistake-prone and it didn't appear at the time that he could take control of the Chargers franchise


HUH?

He sucked so bad, yet New Orleans gave him a $60M deal?

SNR
04-21-2008, 02:52 PM
We fuse all three of them together in the lab and make one giant piece of shit instead of three little dingleberrys.LMAO

SNR
04-21-2008, 02:53 PM
HUH?

He sucked so bad, yet New Orleans gave him a $60M deal?Before the Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers, yes, he sucked. Hard.

ChiefsCountry
04-21-2008, 02:53 PM
HUH?

He sucked so bad, yet New Orleans gave him a $60M deal?

He was talking about prior to 2004 season when they drafted Rivers. Brees sucked ass up until the 2004 season.

eazyb81
04-21-2008, 02:54 PM
I'd like to see us start Croyle for the first few games until he eventually gets hurt so Ryan has some time to learn from the sidelines.

royr17
04-21-2008, 02:55 PM
I dont want ryan.

We need draft picks so that we can get the talent to build this team up. There's a QB in the 2nd round I want named Chad Henne.

He impressed me from the Senior Bowl.

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 02:58 PM
He was talking about prior to 2004 season when they drafted Rivers. Brees sucked ass up until the 2004 season.

Then I apologize, I mis-understood what you were saying.

markk
04-21-2008, 02:58 PM
clady and henne... i would be guaranteed to commit suicide before the day was over

StcChief
04-21-2008, 02:58 PM
Big If... so we are trading JA picks to move up ahead of ATL? to draft Ryan now?

SBK
04-21-2008, 02:58 PM
If we draft Ryan then Croyle will either fold or become a stud, that's what always happens when you give guys competition like that.

Plumber folded, D. Anderson of the Browns became a stud.

the Talking Can
04-21-2008, 03:00 PM
If we draft Ryan then Croyle will either fold or become a stud, that's what always happens when you give guys competition like that.

Plumber folded, D. Anderson of the Browns became a stud.

word

SNR
04-21-2008, 03:01 PM
Big If... so we are trading JA picks to move up ahead of ATL? to draft Ryan now?I don't know if it's 100% that the falcons draft Ryan. They're just as interested in Glenn Dorsey.

CupidStunt
04-21-2008, 03:03 PM
You hope a guy like Chris Williams is there at No. 17 and then you bring Ryan along slowly, playing him some, possibly starting him in the last few games.

Enter 2009/10 with Ryan as the starter.

Count Alex's Wins
04-21-2008, 03:05 PM
You hope a guy like Chris Williams is there at No. 17 and then you bring Ryan along slowly, playing him some, possibly starting him in the last few games.

Enter 2009/10 with Ryan as the starter.

I think trading Allen for a shot at a franchise QB and LT would be worth it. If it pans out, those two players would have a greater impact than a Pro Bowl DE.

eazyb81
04-21-2008, 03:06 PM
I think trading Allen for a shot at a franchise QB and LT would be worth it. If it pans out, those two players would have a greater impact than a Pro Bowl DE.

I agree, but if that's their plan then it will suck if Atlanta takes Ryan and Williams is off the board at 17.

Coogs
04-21-2008, 03:08 PM
I agree, but if that's their plan then it will suck if Atlanta takes Ryan and Williams is off the board at 17.

Pick Ryan at 5. Trade up with the Bills and get the best LT prospect. They will all be gone by 14 the way it sounds.

Valiant
04-21-2008, 03:53 PM
Believe it or not, I would keep and start Huard. If we have a very young O-line, which it appears we will, having an experienced QB to call out where the blitzes are comming from may help that line gel faster. Let Ryan be the backup so he gets more snaps in practice. Let Croyle and Thigpen battle it out for the #3 spot, and possibly keep them both.

Then around game 11, I would start Ryan. Then after the season... bye-bye Huard.

God, strike this man dead with a lighting bolt please..

King_Chief_Fan
04-21-2008, 04:00 PM
What do you think happens next season? Herm does the usual "open competition" for the starting job? Will Brodie still (at least temporarily) win the starting job? Does Huard get sent to the glue factory? Does Huard start the season as we wait for Ryan to get acquainted with the team and the NFL? Do Brodie, Ryan, and Huard get their legs broken and Tyler Thigpen steps in during the preason and lights things up?

Huard gets cut. How embarassing would it be for ol Herm to watch Damon bury Brodie again and then his new toy MattROFL

beavis
04-21-2008, 04:01 PM
Really not worried about it. I think there's zero chance we draft Ryan, no matter what the circumstance.

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:04 PM
If Ryan does fall to 5 and they don't take him it would be stupid of extreme proportions because think of what 4 guys go in front to cause that to happen...

Count Alex's Wins
04-21-2008, 04:09 PM
If Ryan does fall to 5 and they don't take him it would be stupid of extreme proportions because think of what 4 guys go in front to cause that to happen...

Is there a reason some other team can't do something dumb?

Deberg_1990
04-21-2008, 04:11 PM
Is there a reason some other team can't do something dumb?


There is no way the Jets pass on Ryan if the Chiefs do. Id bet money on it.

OnTheWarpath58
04-21-2008, 04:12 PM
If Ryan does fall to 5 and they don't take him it would be stupid of extreme proportions because think of what 4 guys go in front to cause that to happen...

Which 4 guys?

Long, Long, Dorsey, McFadden?

That leaves Gholston, Ellis and Ryan.

How you pass on Ellis or Gholston for a guy that grades out as Matt Hasselbeck at best is baffling.

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:14 PM
Is there a reason some other team can't do something dumb?

What level of dumb are we talking?

For some reason it appears everyone feels the Chiefs will be the dumb team in the top 5 with those constant OT reach mocks from everyone. I hope that doesn't happen, now I think the Raiders could do something stupid....

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:15 PM
Which 4 guys?

Long, Long, Dorsey, McFadden?

That leaves Gholston, Ellis and Ryan.

How you pass on Ellis or Gholston for a guy that grades out as Matt Hasselbeck at best is baffling.

Want me to be honest, you don't see it talked about much but I believe there is a legit chance of the first 4 picks being..

Long
Long
Dorsey
Ellis, the Raiders organization has major ties to SC

Then where do you go you have Ryan and Gholston which to many become a serious toss up.

Sully
04-21-2008, 04:16 PM
This is a tough question, but I'd dump Huard as a knee jerk reaction.

But I'd give thought to dumping Croyle. You wouldn't take that much of a cap hit. If you drafted Ryan, you obviously don't think Croyle is the answer, and you have a vet as starter/backup for one more season to take an ass beating, while Ryan learns. Anything you get from Thigpen is gravy after that.

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 04:23 PM
Want me to be honest, you don't see it talked about much but I believe there is a legit chance of the first 4 picks being..

Long
Long
Dorsey
Ellis, the Raiders organization has major ties to SC

Then where do you go you have Ryan and Gholston which to many become a serious toss up.
Weren't you the "you'll never see two DTs go in the top four" guy?

stlchiefs
04-21-2008, 04:25 PM
What happens to James Killian?

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2008, 04:25 PM
Want me to be honest, you don't see it talked about much but I believe there is a legit chance of the first 4 picks being..



Ellis, the Raiders organization has major ties to SC




Granddaddy Al has a mancrush on McFadden

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 04:25 PM
I think in this situation, you definitely keep Croyle and Thiggy and lose Huard.

Croyle has the tools of a good backup anyway. He's smart, he's got a good arm, the team likes him and now he's got a decent amount of experience. He'll start the year and eventually Ryan will take over either in 2008 or at the start of 2009 with Croyle backing him up -- or hell, if Croyle's decent in 2008, trade Croyle.

I think it's wise to keep Thiggy around, just in case we do lose Croyle and Thiggy develops into a solid backup.

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 04:26 PM
BTW I think the Raiders go Gholston or Long.

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:26 PM
Weren't you the "you'll never see two DTs go in the top four" guy?

No I'm the "you don't take RB's in the top 5 guy" sometimes when projecting you have to look into organizational ties and all that, the Raiders do have serious SC ties in coaching and organization and seem to like to always bring in SC players.

Let's put it this way, I think them taking Ellis is more likely than them taking McFadden.

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 04:27 PM
No I'm the "you don't take RB's in the top 5 guy" sometimes when projecting you have to look into organizational ties and all that, the Raiders do have serious SC ties in coaching and organization and seem to like to always bring in SC players.

Let's put it this way, I think them taking Ellis is more likely than them taking McFadden.
I also believe you were the "I'm 100% confident McFadden will be in silver and black" guy.

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:28 PM
I also believe you were the "I'm 100% confident McFadden will be in silver and black" guy.

I think he's going to the Jets and have for about 2 months...

The only real confident Raider opinion I ever express was I don't believe they'd pass on Howie's son if given the chance to pick him.

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2008, 04:29 PM
I think in this situation, you definitely keep Croyle and Thiggy and lose Huard.

Croyle has the tools of a good backup anyway. He's smart, he's got a good arm, the team likes him and now he's got a decent amount of experience. He'll start the year and eventually Ryan will take over either in 2008 or at the start of 2009 with Croyle backing him up -- or hell, if Croyle's decent in 2008, trade Croyle.



So if Croyle succeeds, trade him so an unproven player with a heavy wallet can start. Sound like something KC would do blow a 1st round pick on a 60 million dollar backup QB

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:31 PM
Other than Brodie Croyles odds of being good are well pretty slim.......let's just play with no QB.

Count Alex's Wins
04-21-2008, 04:31 PM
There is no way the Jets pass on Ryan if the Chiefs do. Id bet money on it.

I think they're taking a wait-and-see with Clemens...

jjchieffan
04-21-2008, 04:32 PM
Want me to be honest, you don't see it talked about much but I believe there is a legit chance of the first 4 picks being..

Long
Long
Dorsey
Ellis, the Raiders organization has major ties to SC

Then where do you go you have Ryan and Gholston which to many become a serious toss up.

I think that is the absolute worst way the draft could fall for us. (imagine that, Mecca comes up with it.) If it falls that way, hopefully the Chiefs will make a trade down to someone wanting Ryan or McFadden.

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2008, 04:32 PM
Other than Brodie Croyles odds of being good are well pretty slim........



We shall see

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 04:32 PM
So if Croyle succeeds, trade him so an unproven player with a heavy wallet can start. Sound like something KC would do blow a 1st round pick on a 60 million dollar backup QB
Well... define "succeed." If he pulls a Derek Anderson, you extend his contract with a smile on your face.

But if he plays only like 10 games having missed six due to injury, but showed flashes of talent during the games in which he was healthy, I'm thinking we could keep him around as a backup in 2009 as Ryan takes over, or if someone expresses interest in him with a mid-rounder or higher, take it and Thiggy is your new backup.

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2008, 04:33 PM
Well... define "succeed." If he pulls a Derek Anderson, you extend his contract with a smile on your face.





probowl season

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:35 PM
probowl season

You are aware of the QB's in this conference right?

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2008, 04:38 PM
You are aware of the QB's in this conference right?




Yes, Jared Allen had damn good seasons before but got probowl snubs while other media darlings got in. If Croyle, has a type of season worthy of being in the probowl, then all is golden.

Direckshun
04-21-2008, 04:39 PM
You are aware of the QB's in this conference right?
And your roster for the 2008 AFC Pro Bowl squad!

At quarterback, Tom Brady of the Patriots, Peyton Manning of the Colts, and Brodie Croyle of the Chiefs!

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:39 PM
Manning and Brady are locked into 2 of the spots as they should be.....

And in all seriousness Brodie Croyle is not in the same league or hell even same game as guys like Roethlisberger and Palmer.

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2008, 04:40 PM
Manning and Brady are locked into 2 of the spots as they should be.....

And in all seriousness Brodie Croyle is not in the same league or hell even same game as guys like Roethlisberger and Palmer.



Like I said with a functional O-line, we shall see

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:42 PM
Like I said with a functional O-line, we shall see

Are you related to Brodie Croyle? That's really the only way you can have that view of him...

Isn't it shocking that 3 of the 4 QB's I mentioned were 1st round picks...

Tribal Warfare
04-21-2008, 04:46 PM
Are you related to Brodie Croyle? That's really the only way you can have that view of him...

Isn't it shocking that 3 of the 4 QB's I mentioned were 1st round picks...



Are you related to Matt Ryan, since all of the praise you've been giving him? Boy, Please! Like Brady, Favre, and Romo were 1st rounders ?

Mecca
04-21-2008, 04:48 PM
Well Favre was a high 2nd that Green Bay traded a 1st for...

J Diddy
04-21-2008, 04:48 PM
Are you related to Matt Ryan, since all of the praise you've been giving him? Boy, Please! Like Brady, Favre, and Romo were 1st rounders ?


oh and montana

philfree
04-21-2008, 06:10 PM
If we draft Ryan then we need to ditch Huard and go with the youth and develope it. Between Ryan, Croyle and Thigpin one would think we might finally develope a franchise QB.

PhilFree:arrow:

Mr. Laz
04-21-2008, 07:19 PM
hopefully he'll bury Ryan on the bench until our offense gets a little better ..... maybe after he gets fired. :)

beach tribe
04-21-2008, 07:30 PM
Croyle starts 08 without question.

Then after he, and Bowe start ripping it up, Carl pulls a Gannon, and Makes Herm start Ryan because he too expensive to ride pine.

Croyle plays the 2010 season as the starter for the Vikings after being traded for a 6th rnd pick, and follws Jared, and AP to the SB.

BTW, Brodie looks gay in purple, yet gets blown in his purple jersey by Kelli covered in Champagne wearing nothing, but a tiny #69 jersey tied in a knot.