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Sure-Oz
04-22-2008, 11:24 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3358557&type=story

Tuesday, April 22, 2008
Sources: Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no

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By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?


Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.

The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

It was not the first time the Redskins approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal.

The Bengals have not only rejected the Redskins, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded.

The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said.

Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.

Mile High Mania
04-22-2008, 11:27 AM
Not surprised that WAS made the offer... sorta surprised that they declined.

DaKCMan AP
04-22-2008, 11:27 AM
If there was ever any question before, this removes all doubt.

Basileus777
04-22-2008, 11:51 AM
Its unbelievable they would turn that down.

Sure-Oz
04-22-2008, 11:54 AM
They make Carl and Herm look like geniouses

Hoover
04-22-2008, 11:55 AM
I'm waiting for the we should trade DBowe to Washington for that....

jidar
04-22-2008, 11:56 AM
"There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.

That to me was the most interesting part of this story. I think it's at least a minor admission from an insider that the NFL salary cap may have become too high. I'm already afraid it's too high for the Chiefs.

Basileus777
04-22-2008, 12:13 PM
That to me was the most interesting part of this story. I think it's at least a minor admission from an insider that the NFL salary cap may have become too high. I'm already afraid it's too high for the Chiefs.

It is. Lets face it, the whole salary cap and draft system is broken in the NFL. The cap is so high that no team is going to exceed it right now. I'd never thought I'd see the day when the NBA did it better, but the NFL needs to fix this shit. They need implement a rookie pay scale for starts...

You'd think with the NFL players union being the weakest union in all of the major sports they could do it.

el borracho
04-22-2008, 12:13 PM
The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

I wonder what the performance clauses read like. If the clauses were improbable I would also reject the offer as I wouldn't trade away Chad Johnson for a 1st and a future 3rd. On the flip side, if the clauses were likely to be met I would have to consider the trade more seriously.

Direckshun
04-22-2008, 12:14 PM
Holy shit.

...

Holy shit.

Both those teams are dumb as shit.

Mile High Mania
04-22-2008, 12:15 PM
Enh... maybe they're trying to see if a pick higher than #21 this year comes their way, and maybe the "conditional" aspect of the 2009 pick didn't interest them.

I mean... some of you want 2 R1 picks for Allen... I'd give up 2 for Ocho before I did for Allen. So, maybe they want WAS to comeback without the "conditional" term and just give them 2 R1 picks.

SNR
04-22-2008, 12:31 PM
****. Why the hell didn't we trade Larry to Wash last year? :cuss:

DaKCMan AP
04-22-2008, 12:32 PM
I'd give up 2 for Ocho before I did for Allen.

You can't be serious. Stud DE's are more valuable than stud WR's and they're harder to come by. JA ranks higher on the list of top DE's than 85 does on the list of WRs and he's 4 years younger. WRs are only as effective as the QB who gets them the ball. A dominant DE can take over a game all by himself.

Anyong Bluth
04-22-2008, 01:19 PM
You can't be serious. Stud DE's are more valuable than stud WR's and they're harder to come by. JA ranks higher on the list of top DE's than 85 does on the list of WRs and he's 4 years younger. WRs are only as effective as the QB who gets them the ball. A dominant DE can take over a game all by himself.


Exactly- if you can get this for Chad, then you should def. get more for the top DE in the league- which is a top 3 premium position in the league.

Truth is, with the rate that 1st round salaries are going up, their value vs proven vets had dropped b/c teams don't see nearly the cap relief they used to and the risk of missing on picks has pushed the value of top players draft compensation. Not to mention All Pros at highly coveted positions just entering their prime.

Reerun_KC
04-22-2008, 01:46 PM
****. Why the hell didn't we trade Larry to Wash last year? :cuss:
Because LJ is a Chief and our Homer glasses were dirty.... Besides LJ will not get hurt after that record setting season...

Reerun_KC
04-22-2008, 01:52 PM
They make Carl and Herm look like geniouses
ROFL Carl? Herm? Genious? ROFL

ClevelandBronco
04-22-2008, 02:13 PM
The thread title would have worked without any supporting post at all.

bowener
04-22-2008, 04:11 PM
It is. Lets face it, the whole salary cap and draft system is broken in the NFL. The cap is so high that no team is going to exceed it right now. I'd never thought I'd see the day when the NBA did it better, but the NFL needs to fix this shit. They need implement a rookie pay scale for starts...

You'd think with the NFL players union being the weakest union in all of the major sports they could do it.

As soon as a new Union president is in place, they will probably get a pay scale. but then things would make too much sense and move to easily if a pay scale was inacted... what would ESPN/NFLN use to drum up ratings during the offseason after the draft if they cant talk about hold outs? And wouldnt you feel sorry for all the millionaire agents who will barely be able to fuel up there 12 cars with premium gas every weekend?? And what about their mistresses, who would buy them expense meals and jewelry?

Mecca
04-22-2008, 04:15 PM
Cincy is more concerned about spiting Chad than doing what's best for them to do as a team...

KCChiefsMan
04-22-2008, 04:34 PM
ya that's just stupid to turn that deal down. Chad Johnson has made it crystal clear that he isn't going to play for Cincy.

Sure-Oz
04-22-2008, 04:38 PM
No wonder cincy has so many damn issues, the people in charge act like babies just like the players

Fairplay
04-22-2008, 07:52 PM
lol at the title of this thread. LMAO

I'm so glad i wasn't born a Bengals fan. I thought us Chief fans had it rough.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2008, 09:16 PM
Enh... maybe they're trying to see if a pick higher than #21 this year comes their way, and maybe the "conditional" aspect of the 2009 pick didn't interest them.

I mean... some of you want 2 R1 picks for Allen... I'd give up 2 for Ocho before I did for Allen. So, maybe they want WAS to comeback without the "conditional" term and just give them 2 R1 picks.

Let it never be said that you're not a dumbass.

The Raiders gave up a 1st Rounder and Napoleon Kauffman for Randy f*cking Moss, who was 3 years younger than Chad is now. Now the Skins are going to give up more for a 30 year old WR than Minnesota will for a 26 year old DE, which is a far more important position.

MahiMike
04-22-2008, 09:21 PM
Hell, I'd let that circus act go for a 3rd rounder. Call that guy "Cancer for hire".

keg in kc
04-22-2008, 09:21 PM
I heard that on the radio today and thought "wow, there is somebody with less savvy than CP".

Skip Towne
04-22-2008, 09:30 PM
They make Carl and Herm look like geniouses

That takes some doing.

CanadaKC
04-22-2008, 09:38 PM
I guess the only argument is this: If they let Chad have his way...it's like a judgement in a courtroon...it sets a dangerous precedent. Can you imagine if more and more players who previously have signed contracts, and agreed to play under those terms...then suddenly don't like the terms of the agreement...can just up and force management to go where they want to play? So forget the nfl draft, forget free agency, and watch the league crumble under the pressure more of these punk players will pull off if someone like CJ let his viper tongue strike a deal with a new team. I'm mad enough watching biatches like Elway and Eli get away with that crap on draft day...then you see idiots like TO and now Chad blaming everyone but themselves for their antics.

T-post Tom
04-22-2008, 11:04 PM
Let it never be said that you're not a dumbass.

The Raiders gave up a 1st Rounder and Napoleon Kauffman for Randy f*cking Moss, who was 3 years younger than Chad is now. Now the Skins are going to give up more for a 30 year old WR than Minnesota will for a 26 year old DE, which is a far more important position.

Yep.