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Lzen
04-22-2008, 12:53 PM
This will probably end up in D.C., but I would like to see some opinions on this from the masses.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-rape0416,0,4949450.story

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1584786-1,00.html

StcChief
04-22-2008, 12:55 PM
Take it back? Indian giver.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-22-2008, 12:59 PM
Wow. She told him yes, then told him no and he continued for 5-10 seconds. That's rape.

One of these days guys are gonna be too scared to ****.

Pestilence
04-22-2008, 01:00 PM
Wow. She told him yes, then told him no and he continued for 5-10 seconds. That's rape.

One of these days guys are gonna be too scared to ****.

Time delay. Maybe he's really hard of hearing.

Pestilence
04-22-2008, 01:00 PM
Wow. She told him yes, then told him no and he continued for 5-10 seconds. That's rape.

One of these days guys are gonna be too scared to ****.

And on a personal note....I don't sleep with drunk girls unless I know them really, really well.

One girl ruins it for all the others.

eazyb81
04-22-2008, 01:03 PM
Where do these freaks come from. Who does something like that?

Demonpenz
04-22-2008, 01:03 PM
Wouldn't have happened if it was out of wedlock

morphius
04-22-2008, 01:03 PM
Wow. She told him yes, then told him no and he continued for 5-10 seconds. That's rape.

One of these days guys are gonna be too scared to ****.
5-10 seconds is a bit quick to expect a response, minutes sure, but 10 seconds, ouch.

xbarretx
04-22-2008, 01:03 PM
dumb, sorry..this is a BS case that will end up wasting too many tax payers dollars.

xbarretx
04-22-2008, 01:04 PM
its funny, that this can happen and guys have no rights when it comes to women intentionally getting pregnant after intercourse via using the condom after they are done..... sorry but F the law!

Mile High Mania
04-22-2008, 01:05 PM
All I'll say is this... and nobody except for those 2 really know what happened... but, any time a girl says no, you should take notice.

xbarretx
04-22-2008, 01:06 PM
All I'll say is this... and nobody except for those 2 really know what happened... but, any time a girl says no, you should take notice.

your right.... im going to go out to a bar tonight get a lady... start sex... then once im done and waiting for her to cum ill say stop and when she doesnt ill call RAPE and take her to court!

as you said if they say no then you should respect that ... HOWEVER.. i seriously f'n doubt she was screaming no like in a rape case.... :shake:

Mile High Mania
04-22-2008, 01:08 PM
your right.... im going to go out to a bar tonight get a lady... start sex... then once im done and waiting for her to cum ill say stop and when she doesnt ill call RAPE and take her to court!

Go for it... let us know how it works out.

BIG_DADDY
04-22-2008, 01:08 PM
5 to 10 seconds? LMAO OK

AZORChiefFan
04-22-2008, 01:10 PM
Good thing I only last 5-10 seconds - wonder if I can be taken to court for that?

xbarretx
04-22-2008, 01:12 PM
Go for it... let us know how it works out.

you kidding id be sleeping before i had a chance to say no LMAO ;) j/k

Lzen
04-22-2008, 01:17 PM
My whole issue is that this seems to be something that could open a whole new can of worms for men. How many times will a woman agree to have sex and then say no during in order to get the man charged. You know there are those types out there. This is setting a scary precedent as far as I'm concerned.

xbarretx
04-22-2008, 01:20 PM
My whole issue is that this seems to be something that could open a whole new can of worms for men. How many times will a woman agree to have sex and then say no during in order to get the man charged. You know there are those types out there. This is setting a scary precedent as far as I'm concerned.

indeed, which is why i made my joke earlier. i in no way shape or form make light of any rape case....however your 100% correct. and i hope this goes up the law flagpole and gets shot down.

banyon
04-22-2008, 01:20 PM
My whole issue is that this seems to be something that could open a whole new can of worms for men. How many times will a woman agree to have sex and then say no during in order to get the man charged. You know there are those types out there. This is setting a scary precedent as far as I'm concerned.

Agree 100% this was a sh***y ruling.

mikeyis4dcats.
04-22-2008, 01:24 PM
While I think it's common knowledge that continuing to have sex after she says no constitutes rape, I think they have obviously overstepped in not allowing a reasonable time for recognition and withdrawal.

Frazod
04-22-2008, 01:28 PM
I'm glad I'm old and married. Christ. :shake:

bkkcoh
04-22-2008, 01:29 PM
Good thing I only last 5-10 seconds - wonder if I can be taken to court for that?


Disappointment????????? :doh!:

I'm glad I'm old and married. Christ. :shake:

Didn't the NOW gang state that a wife could be raped by her husband? If that is the case, don't be so sure about that.

Mile High Mania
04-22-2008, 01:43 PM
I'm glad I'm old and married. Christ. :shake:

The female population concurs with that statement... :D

Actually, I agree... it sure was a hell of a lot easier to have dumb drunk sex back in the day. I'm so glad that I'm not single and having to worry about this stuff. Makes me wonder what kind of "talk" I'm going to have with the boys when they get older.

"No, son... hand holding or sending a girl a note in class is grounds for assault."

xbarretx
04-22-2008, 02:19 PM
The female population concurs with that statement... :D

Actually, I agree... it sure was a hell of a lot easier to have dumb drunk sex back in the day. I'm so glad that I'm not single and having to worry about this stuff. Makes me wonder what kind of "talk" I'm going to have with the boys when they get older.

"No, son... hand holding or sending a girl a note in class is grounds for assault."

:doh!:

BIG_DADDY
04-22-2008, 02:25 PM
Makes me wonder what kind of "talk" I'm going to have with the boys when they get older.



Don't bang insecure needy skanks even if they are hot. I know it will be hard but society puts them on a pedestal.

Chazno
04-22-2008, 02:40 PM
Baby, then 16, and Michael Wilson, 15, groped the woman and made sexual advances to her, according to police. First, Wilson had sex with the woman while Baby was outside the car. Then, police said, Baby told her it was his turn.

"[So] are you going to let me hit it?" he said, according to police. "I don't want to rape you."

The victim testified in Montgomery County court that she agreed to sex "as long as he stops when I tell him to." As he began, she told him to stop because he was hurting her, but he kept going for five or 10 seconds, she said.

Wilson pleaded guilty to sec ond-degree rape and was sentenced to 18 months in prison. Baby denied any wrongdoing but was convicted of first-degree rape and other crimes and sentenced to 15 years in prison, with all but five suspended.

I dont understand.....Why was wilson charged with rape? Did she revoke her consent after they finished?...or because he didn't pull his buddy of before 10 seconds?

BIG_DADDY
04-22-2008, 02:42 PM
I dont understand.....Why was wilson charged with rape? Did she revoke her consent after they finished?...or because he didn't pull his buddy of before 10 seconds?

If we could just make having a penis a crime. We are getting close. In this case I guess we are actually there.

I would say something about the pussification of America thing but I always get blasted for that on here.

Uncle_Ted
04-22-2008, 02:53 PM
While I think it's common knowledge that continuing to have sex after she says no constitutes rape, I think they have obviously overstepped in not allowing a reasonable time for recognition and withdrawal.
Absolutely. The line really shouldn't really be that difficult to draw. Revoking consent needs to be accompanied by an overt act. Like trying to move away or push him away. That's a pretty clear indication that a guy needs to stop. "Rape" occurs when he threatens her, restrains her, or otherwise "forces" himself on her (unless it was part of some S&M game that was agreed upon ahead of time).

Inflating these situations into "rape" IMO is a slap in the face to "real" rape victims,

Mile High Mania
04-22-2008, 02:56 PM
Now that would be classic... she says yes, they're in the middle of hot crazy drunk sex... she says no, he confusingly says "huh, what?"

So, she takes action and cracks his nose... he falls backwards... she cries rape, he files assault charges and they're both up Schitz Creek.

CrazyPhuD
04-22-2008, 03:03 PM
Did anyone here actually read the article? If so then why are you even discussing the issue of the withdrawn consent. No offense but it is clearly evident that the withdrawn consent is nothing more than a very minor part of the case. It was nothing more than a desperation attempt by the defense attorney to get the case thrown out when the defendant almost certainly deserved it.

This is just sensationalist bullshit. The reason why he went to jail was because there was ALOT more going on than just the withdrawn consent. Why? He was convicted and sentenced to 15yrs for "1st degree rape....and other crimes". Notice they neglect to mention what those other crimes were. His other buddy there the one who had sex with her first pleaded guilty to second degree rape. WHy would you plead guilty to rape if you had consentual sex with her? Simple it was likely some other ****ed up shit going on. They may have drugged her or something else.

Simple put he didn't get the rape charge because she said stop and he continued for 5-10 seconds. He got the rape charge because of what happened before and after. All this court case said was yes this can still be considered rape even if she gave consent initially. It's completely moronic to argue that he was convicted of rape because of 5-10 seconds because it's 100% clear it's other factors. There's nothing wrong or disturbing about the ruling all it says is that a woman can withdraw consent after and that's 100% ok. If you disagree I hope you never have a daughter.

Brock
04-22-2008, 03:05 PM
I don't care about this. Neither should you.

Pestilence
04-22-2008, 03:06 PM
"[So] are you going to let me hit it?" he said, according to police. "I don't want to rape you."


This line probably has a lot to do with it.

Lzen
04-22-2008, 03:10 PM
CrazyPhuD,
I didn't get the idea that these two guys were upstanding citizens. That wasn't the point of this thread. The point was what the ruling means in the long term. And to your last sentence, yes, I have a daughter. I also have 2 sons.

Look, I think rape is a sick and twisted and disgusting crime and I think anyone who commits it should have their nuts removed. I also believe there are many women out there who will take advantage of this kind of thing even though they weren't actually raped. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't like to see laws or rulings that advance victims rights that could also potentially and/or likely create fake victims.

kcchiefsus
04-22-2008, 03:11 PM
What I don't understand is how the first guy got charged with rape when the article makes no mention of her telling him to stop.

CrazyPhuD
04-22-2008, 03:11 PM
Here's a better article...changes how you think of his conviction doesn't it?

http://www.mddailyrecord.com/article.cfm?id=5089&type=UTTM

J.L., then 18, agreed to give Baby, then 16, and Wilson a ride to a party, she testified. The three wound up in J.L.’s car, where the boys allegedly sexually assaulted her in multiple ways before Baby got out of the car and Wilson had sex with her. The boys then switched places; Baby asked J.L. for sex and told her he “didn’t want to rape her,” she testified.

J.L. testified that she consented to sex with Baby because the boys had told her she could leave “as soon as we’re done,” but that she told Baby he had to stop when she told him to. After penetration, she cried that it hurt, told him to stop and tried to push him off, but he continued for between five and 10 seconds, she testified.

If this isn't rape I don't know what is.....

CrazyPhuD
04-22-2008, 03:18 PM
CrazyPhuD,
I didn't get the idea that these two guys were upstanding citizens. That wasn't the point of this thread. The point was what the ruling means in the long term. And to your last sentence, yes, I have a daughter. I also have 2 sons.

Look, I think rape is a sick and twisted and disgusting crime and I think anyone who commits it should have their nuts removed. I also believe there are many women out there who will take advantage of this kind of thing even though they weren't actually raped. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't like to see laws or rulings that advance victims rights that could also potentially and/or likely create fake victims.

Yes there's always a risk about creating fake victim and I agree that is a risk. However this case would have been worse. A real victim would have seen her accuser get off on a technicality because she only consented out of fear. Unfortunately this case got alot of press and people are focusing on a single tree here instead of looking at the forest.

These guys sexually assaulted the women and then raped her. She only 'consented' because she thought they were going to let her go. If the guy had gotten off because the consent was given but then revoked that would have been a greater travesty of justice in my opinion.

Chiefnj2
04-22-2008, 03:24 PM
It must have been a good prosecutor on that case. Undisputed and disputed facts attached:

http://www.courts.state.md.us/opinions/cosa/2006/225s05.pdf

Mr. Plow
04-22-2008, 03:36 PM
Did they threaten her with bodily harm? I guess I don't know where her fear came from that forced her to comply with everything they asked her to do. Maybe I missed that part.

BIG_DADDY
04-22-2008, 03:37 PM
It must have been a good prosecutor on that case. Undisputed and disputed facts attached:

http://www.courts.state.md.us/opinions/cosa/2006/225s05.pdf

Quote: Dr. Burgess attributed complainant’s failure to resist and failure
to immediately report the incident and giving her home telephone
number to her assailant to behavior consistent with the rape trauma
syndrome.


WTF. These guys had to have the worst attorneys in the world to be convicted of this shit. They should lose their license for that type of representation.

Mr. Plow
04-22-2008, 03:38 PM
I know I just raped you, but, can I get yo number?

Sure. Give me a call.

BIG_DADDY
04-22-2008, 03:43 PM
Did they threaten her with bodily harm? Maybe I missed that part.

Hell no she dorve them to another parking lot and gave him her number to call her back later.

What happened was she spilled her guts to her brother who told her mother and then she got embarrassed. This type of embarrassment leads to rape claims all the time. I actually had a girl who worked for me back in the day who was 16 tell me about a scenario like that. Went something like this. "I went to my boyfriends house [also 16] and he and his buddies were watching porn and drinking. I had some drinks and got horny which led to wanting to try some things with him and his friends. His friends went back to school and told other students which got back to my mom and was very embarrassing. I feel really bad but had to do something"

BIG_DADDY
04-22-2008, 03:43 PM
I know I just raped you, but, can I get yo number?

Sure. Give me a call.

Exactly

chasedude
04-22-2008, 03:43 PM
I've heard of going from 0 to BITCH in seconds but to First Degree Rape within 10 seconds, ridiculous.

damaticous
04-22-2008, 06:56 PM
Wow. She told him yes, then told him no and he continued for 5-10 seconds. That's rape.

One of these days guys are gonna be too scared to ****.

Internet porn = cheaper, and less jail time

KCChiefsMan
04-22-2008, 07:11 PM
5 to 10 seconds, that's some BS. She says stop during sex, 5 seconds he stops because she told him too. That's bull$hit sorry, the laws in this country are f*cked up.

Mr. Laz
04-22-2008, 07:13 PM
dude .... a guy's brain barely works during the middle of sex .... his ears get all clogged

10 seconds :eek:


at that age, i would think it's almost physically impossible for a kid to "pull out" that quickly if he had started to get off.

Silock
04-22-2008, 07:54 PM
You guys are overreacting. There's a LOT more to this story, and since none of you bothered to read the article, I shouldn't be surprised that you're all completely missing the point of the ruling.

Mr. Plow
04-23-2008, 09:19 AM
You guys are overreacting. There's a LOT more to this story, and since none of you bothered to read the article, I shouldn't be surprised that you're all completely missing the point of the ruling.

While I will say there is more to the story, I don't see where she felt threatened enough that she "had to do everything they said".

Hell, she moved to the back seat WILLINGLY. She even gave them her phone # WILLINGLY. Was it her real #? Why wouldn't you give a fake # if you were so scared and felt you had to give a #?

Did she tell the first guy "It's ok to have sex with me as long as you stop when I tell you to" like she did the second guy?

BIG_DADDY
04-23-2008, 11:20 AM
You guys are overreacting. There's a LOT more to this story, and since none of you bothered to read the article, I shouldn't be surprised that you're all completely missing the point of the ruling.

LMAO OK soy boy.