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the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 10:20 AM
Jared Allen’s place in NFL (financial) history
April 23rd, 2008 – 7:57 AM by Kevin Seifert

Based on some very preliminary research this morning, it appears that new Vikings DE Jared Allen is the NFL’s third-highest paid active player and the fourth-highest in league history.

If you use guaranteed money as a benchmark, then there are only two players whose contracts guarantee more than the $31,000,0069 in Allen’s deal. Both of them are quarterbacks: Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger, whose recent contract extension guarantees him $36 million, and Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning, who was guaranteed $34.5 million in 2004.

The NFL record, we believe, is the $37 million the Atlanta Falcons guaranteed QB Michael Vick in 2005.


http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/


He is now the highest paid defensive player in NFL history, according to them.

doomy3
04-23-2008, 10:22 AM
No, he is not worth that IMO.

Molitoth
04-23-2008, 10:23 AM
Grats to the Vikes for wasting thier money, imo.

stlchiefs
04-23-2008, 10:24 AM
There's no way he's worth that amount. He's a great player and I'm sad to see the Chiefs loose him, but I would be pissed if my team paid him that kind of money.

Count Zarth
04-23-2008, 10:25 AM
The guy had a great year but disappeared in the clutch.

And I've said this before...one knee injury and his effectiveness could be drastically reduced. He's not the most naturally talented guy. Considering the balls-out style of play he brings, and those long legs, it's a possibility.

markk
04-23-2008, 10:25 AM
more than tom brady!

doomy3
04-23-2008, 10:26 AM
it actually makes me feel so much better about this trade that the vikes are stupid enough to make him the 4th highest paid player in NFL history


You should feel good about this trade. There is no way the Chiefs would have paid him that money, nor should they, and he would have eventually walked and we wouldn't have gotten anything for him. We got a first and 2 thirds for a guy who didn't want to be here. Not bad.

mlyonsd
04-23-2008, 10:26 AM
Good for him. I'm glad he's getting that kind of cash from a different team though.

We're not ready to contend yet and he wanted out. That's probably Carl's fault but you can't fix stupid. That being said the Chiefs are taking a completely different tact and I'm more excited about this weekend's draft than I can ever remember.

We've never had the opportunity to draft this many kickers in one weekend ever.

beach tribe
04-23-2008, 10:27 AM
Only if he's the last piece of a SB puzzle, but MInny doesn't even have a QB.

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 10:28 AM
when you really think about that contract, you have to admit that we had no business doing that for a team rebuilding from scratch....

that is insane

OnTheWarpath58
04-23-2008, 10:30 AM
when you really think about that contract, you have to admit that we had no business doing that for a team rebuilding from scratch....

that is insane

You expect some people around here to think rationally?

morphius
04-23-2008, 10:33 AM
I'd love to know their definition of "guarantee", that phrase gets thrown out incorrectly all the time when talking about NFL contracts. Unless they gave him the $31 million up front, there is nothing "guaranteed" about it.

Chiefnj2
04-23-2008, 10:33 AM
Does it really matter if it is 30 million or 25 million?

Over the 5 years it's only a difference of 1 million a year for cap purposes; or about half of Bober's salary last year. As a GM do you lowball a player like Allen, or do you insist you have enough money left over to sign a Chris Bober or Kendrall Bell or Boomer Grigsby?

People act like the bonus money will affect them. Ticket prices are going to go up even if KC is 30 mil under the cap or 10 mil under the cap.

JBucc
04-23-2008, 10:36 AM
We won't know for a few years. He could get another DUI, he could decide he's got his cash and not play as hard, or he could go on to have a HOF career. He'll have more talent around him now than he's ever had before.

Radar Chief
04-23-2008, 10:38 AM
The guy had a great year but disappeared in the clutch.

And I've said this before...one knee injury and his effectiveness could be drastically reduced. He's not the most naturally talented guy. Considering the balls-out style of play he brings, and those long legs, it's a possibility.

True, but hes not in the division with the knee diving Donks anymore.

alpha_omega
04-23-2008, 10:38 AM
No....
$31,000,069....and was that $69 really necessary???? sheesh....

blueballs
04-23-2008, 10:39 AM
Who the hell is he going to sack now
there are no QBs up there
that Ryan Sims couldn't sack

PhillyChiefFan
04-23-2008, 10:41 AM
Good for him. I'm glad he's getting that kind of cash from a different team though.

We're not ready to contend yet and he wanted out. That's probably Carl's fault but you can't fix stupid. That being said the Chiefs are taking a completely different tact and I'm more excited about this weekend's draft than I can ever remember.

We've never had the opportunity to draft this many kickers in one weekend ever.

ROFL

crazycoffey
04-23-2008, 10:41 AM
His bar had better have solid gold barstools....

Gonzo
04-23-2008, 10:41 AM
Who the hell is he going to sack now
there are no QBs up there
that Ryan Sims couldn't sack

We have another
DT named Tamba
Maybe you've heard
Of him

blueballs
04-23-2008, 10:43 AM
We have another
DT named Tamba
Maybe you've heard
Of him

re-read what you quoted

PhillyChiefFan
04-23-2008, 10:47 AM
No....
$31,000,069....and was that $69 really necessary???? sheesh....

Hey hey hey...that's like 3 cases of Boulevard. :D

blueballs
04-23-2008, 10:47 AM
It's like trading for Champ Bailey
to cover Samie Parker

keg in kc
04-23-2008, 10:57 AM
Time will tell whether it was worth it for Minnesota. With the defensive line he'll have around him up there, he should be a monster.

From the Chiefs' perspective, I don't think that would have been a good contract at all. If it's Jared and that contract versus the picks, then I think we did the right thing.

Direckshun
04-23-2008, 10:59 AM
Time will tell whether it was worth it for Minnesota. With the defensive line he'll have around him up there, he should be a monster.

From the Chiefs' perspective, I don't think that would have been a good contract at all. If it's Jared and that contract versus the picks, then I think we did the right thing.
:thumb:

PhillyChiefFan
04-23-2008, 11:02 AM
I am happy with the trade, he wanted to go, and we got a great value out of him. I'm not happy he left but we do have a lot of needs elsewhere that we can *attempt* to fill

only bummer is now we have to spend one of those picks on a DE.

Chiefnj2
04-23-2008, 11:07 AM
Tony Gonzalez must be kicking his dog this morning.

Count Zarth
04-23-2008, 11:08 AM
Tony Gonzalez must be kicking his dog this morning.

I'm sure he's just burying his fake mexican dingus deep inside October.

"18 million dollar signing bonus...unff unff unff.."

dj56dt58
04-23-2008, 11:10 AM
The guy had a great year but disappeared in the clutch.

And I've said this before...one knee injury and his effectiveness could be drastically reduced. He's not the most naturally talented guy. Considering the balls-out style of play he brings, and those long legs, it's a possibility.

Your right..we should never have any player worth a shit because one injury and they might never be the same

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 11:11 AM
tony will ask to be traded next year...I hope we comply...

OnTheWarpath58
04-23-2008, 11:11 AM
Tony Gonzalez must be kicking his dog this morning.

Why?

We weren't going to compete for a championship with or without Allen.

Direckshun
04-23-2008, 11:11 AM
$31,000,069....and was that $69 really necessary???? sheesh....
Ask Jared.

Count Zarth
04-23-2008, 11:12 AM
Your right..we should never have any player worth a shit because one injury and they might never be the same

That's not what I'm saying. Some guys recover better from injury than others. I'm not so sure Allen would be one of those guys. Take Eric Hicks as an example. There's another long guy that racked up 14 sacks, then busted a knee and really was never the same.

Redrum_69
04-23-2008, 11:14 AM
Well...


This Jared trade for draft picks...will either be the cherry on the top of the legacy of Peterson....

or just another turd stuck in the toilet of damn near 20 years of flushing, without a wipe

penguinz
04-23-2008, 11:16 AM
Only if he's the last piece of a SB puzzle, but MInny doesn't even have a QB.Don't underestimate Tarvaris! :p

alanm
04-23-2008, 11:25 AM
Good for him. I'm glad he's getting that kind of cash from a different team though.

We're not ready to contend yet and he wanted out. That's probably Carl's fault but you can't fix stupid. That being said the Chiefs are taking a completely different tact and I'm more excited about this weekend's draft than I can ever remember.

We've never had the opportunity to draft this many kickers in one weekend ever.
They need to draft this guy because he can hit from anywhere on the field. Because that's the only way the Chiefs will be able to score any points.:cuss:

Coach
04-23-2008, 11:31 AM
Why?

We weren't going to compete for a championship with or without Allen.

I think he resigned here in hopes of competing for a championship. Now I'm thinking he might have regretted it.

Basileus777
04-23-2008, 11:36 AM
If Gonzo was stupid enough to think he was resigning with a championship contender then I can't feel sorry for him.

markk
04-23-2008, 11:37 AM
no defensive end is worth the contract that they gave jared allen, that is all i know.

Basileus777
04-23-2008, 11:49 AM
I wonder how much we can thank the Giants for this deal. The NFL is a copycat league and the Giants just won a Superbowl by loading up on pass rushers. The Vikings are just a quarterback away from being contenders now.

patteeu
04-23-2008, 11:59 AM
I don't know if he's worth it or not, but I know I'd rather be on the Chiefs side of this trade than the Vikings side unless I had a team that I thought was one piece away from the Superbowl and DE was that piece. Surely, with the offense they have in place, the Vikings don't think JA is the last piece to their superbowl puzzle, do they?

catfish307
04-23-2008, 11:59 AM
Clark Hunt must have been involved in the decision to unload Jared, because there's no way Carl would have been smart enough to make the trade. Thank you Minnesota, you've got balls!

patteeu
04-23-2008, 11:59 AM
I wonder how much we can thank the Giants for this deal. The NFL is a copycat league and the Giants just won a Superbowl by loading up on pass rushers. The Vikings are just a quarterback away from being contenders now.

They just traded away the picks they need to draft that quarterback and they gave that quarterback's contract to a defensive end.

FD
04-23-2008, 12:02 PM
Good for him. And good that its to an NFC team, too.

eazyb81
04-23-2008, 12:20 PM
I have to admit it's funny seeing everyone now claiming this was a great trade.

On the day the rumor was announced, there were about 3 of us saying it was a good decision, and the rest of the board was going batshit crazy.

patteeu
04-23-2008, 12:42 PM
I have to admit it's funny seeing everyone now claiming this was a great trade.

On the day the rumor was announced, there were about 3 of us saying it was a good decision, and the rest of the board was going batshit crazy.

Some of us would have preferred to see the Chiefs work out a long term contract with JA, but the assumption has to be that that option wasn't viable. Given the need to maximize his trade value, I think the Chiefs did alright. I'd rather be on the Chiefs side of this trade than Minnesotas.

tiptap
04-23-2008, 12:54 PM
TG was NFL radio. He said he has to trust the front office but he was talking about only going two more years and he wants to win now. I do think he will look at the end of the season to see where the team stands. In the meantime he is going to shepherd the newcomers and thinks it is the line that needs to be address. He is ok with Ryan being selected, but doesn't think that helps him to win now.

J Diddy
04-23-2008, 12:55 PM
They just traded away the picks they need to draft that quarterback and they gave that quarterback's contract to a defensive end.


wonder what they'd give us for huard

sedated
04-23-2008, 01:19 PM
I knew the boy deserved to get paid, but QB money? that's bat-shit crazy.

milkman
04-23-2008, 01:39 PM
only bummer is now we have to spend one of those picks on a DE.

Why?

This team isn't a DE away from being a contender.

The Chiefs, before this trade, should have been going into this draft with the idea of selecting the BPA with positional value and need as a consideration when choosing between players that they have rated similiarly.

That shoudn't change now.

Pestilence
04-23-2008, 01:46 PM
I'd love to know their definition of "guarantee", that phrase gets thrown out incorrectly all the time when talking about NFL contracts. Unless they gave him the $31 million up front, there is nothing "guaranteed" about it.

www.rotoworld.com

Jared Allen's six-year contract is worth $73.26 million and includes $38.4 million in the first three years.

The originally reported $31 million guaranteed is correct. Allen is a truly dominant player and should be even moreso next to the Williamses in Minnesota, but this is still a massive risk because of his off-field history. The deal will likely only be a success if he stays out of trouble.

SBK
04-23-2008, 01:53 PM
With that kind of money he can install his own tap at his house. That way he can get liquored up and not need to drive home...!

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 01:55 PM
www.rotoworld.com

Jared Allen's six-year contract is worth $73.26 million and includes $38.4 million in the first three years.



crazy

ClevelandBronco
04-23-2008, 03:22 PM
He's not worth that paycheck, and not worth what the Chiefs got for him, IMO.

The Chiefs screwed the Vikes.

Qualification: Anything or anyone is worth exactly what a buyer is willing to pay, so by that measure alone Mr. Allen is "worth" exactly what was traded and what is paid.

Pestilence
04-23-2008, 05:20 PM
www.rotoworld.com

Jared Allen is due an $8 million roster bonus in 2010 per the six-year, $72.36 million contract he signed with the Vikings.

The bonus is guaranteed for injury only. It protects Minnesota in case Allen gets in trouble with the law again. Allen's signing bonus is $15.5 million. His base salaries are: $750,000 (2008), $7.75 million (2009), $6.38 million (2010), $8,979,438 (2011), $11,619,850 (2012), and $14,280,612 (2013).

Mr. Laz
04-23-2008, 05:25 PM
guaranteed money WHEN .........

in the first 3 years or over the length of the contract.

huge difference

Pestilence
04-23-2008, 05:29 PM
guaranteed money WHEN .........

in the first 3 years or over the length of the contract.

huge difference

See post #55.

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 05:30 PM
www.rotoworld.com

Jared Allen is due an $8 million roster bonus in 2010 per the six-year, $72.36 million contract he signed with the Vikings.

The bonus is guaranteed for injury only. It protects Minnesota in case Allen gets in trouble with the law again. Allen's signing bonus is $15.5 million. His base salaries are: $750,000 (2008), $7.75 million (2009), $6.38 million (2010), $8,979,438 (2011), $11,619,850 (2012), and $14,280,612 (2013).

so Allen worked his contract to protect them in case he screws up...admitting that he is a risk...


but when the Chiefs requested the same consideration, he cries like a baby and demands to be traded?

awesome...lets all blame Carl!

Mr. Laz
04-23-2008, 05:34 PM
See post #55.
hehe ... ya i noticed that and sent you some rep :D


i believe 2010 is scheduled to be uncapped right now as well

15 million + 750,000 in yr 1
7.5 million in yr 2
6.38 million + 8 million in yr 3
8 million in yr 4

4yr - 45 million dollar contract

yrs 5 and 6 will never happen

alot of cash that's for sure

Mr. Laz
04-23-2008, 05:36 PM
so Allen worked his contract to protect them in case he screws up...admitting that he is a risk...


but when the Chiefs requested the same consideration, he cries like a baby and demands to be traded?

awesome...lets all blame Carl!
no .... he said publicly that he would be willing to do something to protect the chiefs too.

Allen's agent said the Chiefs never made a serious long term offer.


but you keep pounding that drum

banyon
04-23-2008, 05:41 PM
I was against the trade, this chaned my mind. That's WAY too much for anybody who isn't a guaranteed 3 time Defensive POY.

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 05:51 PM
no .... he said publicly that he would be willing to do something to protect the chiefs too.

Allen's agent said the Chiefs never made a serious long term offer.


but you keep pounding that drum

yes, so unfair...why didn't we give an alcoholic with 4 DUI's and a suspension whatever he asked for....

oh the humanity....its Carl's fault that Allen got in trouble...

and I'm doubly angry that had the audacity to get 3 first day picks for said alcoholic....really....i'm angry...

Mr. Laz
04-23-2008, 05:57 PM
yes, so unfair...why didn't we give an alcoholic with 4 DUI's and a suspension whatever he asked for....

oh the humanity....its Carl's fault that Allen got in trouble...

and I'm doubly angry that had the audacity to get 3 first day picks for said alcoholic....really....i'm angry...
well now you just jumping around with more reason's why you vag is bleeding. ROFL

some people wanted to keep Allen ... get over yourself.

KcMizzou
04-23-2008, 05:59 PM
From the Chiefs' perspective, I don't think that would have been a good contract at all. If it's Jared and that contract versus the picks, then I think we did the right thing.I completely agree.

ilovemichaelsettle
04-23-2008, 07:09 PM
well we got picks out of it, i think that it is worth it, money wise and maybe rebuilding wise.

Chiefnj2
04-23-2008, 07:18 PM
so Allen worked his contract to protect them in case he screws up...admitting that he is a risk...


but when the Chiefs requested the same consideration, he cries like a baby and demands to be traded?

awesome...lets all blame Carl!


Allen made a fair deal with the team. It just goes to prove what an absolute ****tard Peterson is and how reasonable Allen was.

Carl was unable to think of a deal that was fair and protected the team in a worst case scenario. It isn't until 2010 that Allen will go over the 31 million mark. This year it will cost Minnesota 16.25M which is about 5 million less than what KC is going to pay its unproven #5 pick.

LiL stumppy
04-23-2008, 07:19 PM
No one is worth that money, but good for him.

keg in kc
04-23-2008, 07:26 PM
This year it will cost Minnesota 16.25M which is about 5 million less than what KC is going to pay its unproven #5 pick.Yeah, I'm sure the #5 this year will count 21.25 million against the cap.

Chiefnj2
04-23-2008, 07:28 PM
Yeah, I'm sure the #5 this year will count 21.25 million against the cap.

Who said anything about against the cap?

keg in kc
04-23-2008, 07:33 PM
Who said anything about against the cap?Not you.

HemiEd
04-23-2008, 07:42 PM
Allen made a fair deal with the team. It just goes to prove what an absolute ****tard Peterson is and how reasonable Allen was.

Carl was unable to think of a deal that was fair and protected the team in a worst case scenario. It isn't until 2010 that Allen will go over the 31 million mark. This year it will cost Minnesota 16.25M which is about 5 million less than what KC is going to pay its unproven #5 pick.


The facts hurt.

Valiant
04-23-2008, 07:55 PM
www.rotoworld.com

Jared Allen is due an $8 million roster bonus in 2010 per the six-year, $72.36 million contract he signed with the Vikings.

The bonus is guaranteed for injury only. It protects Minnesota in case Allen gets in trouble with the law again. Allen's signing bonus is $15.5 million. His base salaries are: $750,000 (2008), $7.75 million (2009), $6.38 million (2010), $8,979,438 (2011), $11,619,850 (2012), and $14,280,612 (2013).

From my understanding it protects nothing even if he gets in trouble with the law again.. That is why Vick got his money, guaranteed money is guaranteed no matter what..

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 08:00 PM
The facts hurt.

the fact is that Allen would have most likely been resigned had he not acquired his 4th DUI and a 4 game suspension...


the other fact is that people simply refuse to hold him accountable for his actions...which is bizarre....

milkman
04-23-2008, 08:03 PM
From my understanding it protects nothing even if he gets in trouble with the law again.. That is why Vick got his money, guaranteed money is guaranteed no matter what..

A roster bonus is only paid if the player is on the roster at the time the roster bonus comes due.

If Allen gets into trouble before that bonus and gets cut, he never sees that 8 mil.

Chiefnj2
04-23-2008, 08:17 PM
the fact is that Allen would have most likely been resigned had he not acquired his 4th DUI and a 4 game suspension...


the other fact is that people simply refuse to hold him accountable for his actions...which is bizarre....

allen has 14.38 million reasons to keep clean through 2010.

Brock
04-23-2008, 08:43 PM
allen has 14.38 million reasons to keep clean through 2010.

And probably even if he doesn't.