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bogey
04-23-2008, 07:20 PM
There is a set of drums on ebay by Gammon Percussion. They're asking $288.00 brand new. It's for my daughter who is taking lessons and I'm looking for a beginners set. Are these drums worth a shit? If not, any suggestions on a good set of drums?
Thanks.

bogey
04-23-2008, 07:26 PM
They're asking $199.00 for this one. Same brand.
Here's what is included.
5 1/2" x 14 Wood 6 lug Snare drum
22"x14" 16 Lug Bass Drum
Two 10 lug rack toms 10"x12" and 11"x13"
16"x16" 12 Lug Floor tom!
2-12" Hi-Hat Cymbals
1-14" Ride Cymbal
SINGLE BRACED- Snare Stand
SINGLE BRACED - Cymbal Stand
SINGLE BRACED- Hi-Hat Stand
Chain Driven Bass drum pedal
Drummer's Throne Included!!!
Pair drum sticks
Drummers Key
High Gloss Black

QuikSsurfer
04-23-2008, 07:27 PM
link?

bogey
04-23-2008, 07:30 PM
link?

It's on ebay. :shrug: I'm not savvy enough to post a link. search drums
Thanks.

Archie F. Swin
04-23-2008, 07:31 PM
How old is your daughter?

bogey
04-23-2008, 07:36 PM
How old is your daughter?

10 years old. This is something she's truly shown an interest in.

bogey
04-23-2008, 07:38 PM
I'm going to go home for the evening. I look forward to reading your responses tomorrow. Thanks in advance for any help.

Demonpenz
04-23-2008, 07:50 PM
Here is my experience. I bought a pulse brand for my first kit. snare, toms and the rest of the kit are what you pay for but you can it sound atleast correct. I have Zidian crash rides and zidian zbt hi hat. THe zbt's are the low end of price as far as the cymbols. I have about 350 dollars in that kit . I have played a gresh kit that runs about 699 dollars obvouisly pretty sweet with sambian cymbols and hi hat obvouisly the more high up you get the more crisp everything sounds and your screws, stands, everything is very stable. I played a high end tama that thing is awesome. One thing I would check out is first act. my 2 year old cousin has a first set and you can get surprisngly decent sound out of the bass drum and snare with correct tuning. I would beware buying anything that a regular player couldn't walk up and show the difference with.

talastan
04-23-2008, 09:19 PM
Really depends on what she is going to be doing with the kit. If she is going to traveling with school functions to play and/or possibly moving the kit around alot then you need to be careful. Cheaper kits fall apart if they are moved around more simply because of bumping, and things that happen when you travel.

If she is just starting and will be practicing in the garage and not really be moving the kit around much then it sounds like the perfect beginner's kit. This way if she tries it and decides it is not for her you haven't invested a wad of cash into it. Otherwise if she loves it, like I do, then you'll know for sure it will be worth putting the money into a better kit later on. Or you can make her earn the cash later on to get the better kit. Hope she enjoys it!!:clap:

Wa-Z
04-23-2008, 09:39 PM
A girl drummer? hmmm...

Archie F. Swin
04-24-2008, 06:40 AM
This Ludwig Junior outfit is on the www.guitarcenter.com web site for $280. All you would have to buy extra is some cymbals (hi-hats, crash cymbal, ride cymbal) .
http://images.guitarcenter.com/products/optionlarge/Ludwig/425139jpg.jpg

Archie F. Swin
04-24-2008, 07:54 AM
Here are some thoughts....

Drums/Drumming have been my hobby since the mid '80s. I've never heard of Gammon Percussion and I've been paying pretty close attention to the market for a long time. If the Gammon kit is all you can afford...well, its probably not total garbage. Ive seen cheapo kits that sound surprisingly good. The two biggest differences between a $500 and a $5000 kit is the durability and practicality of the hardware and the quality of workmanship (fit & finish).
On a cheap kit, hardware is where the manufacturers cut corners. You realize how important good hardware is when your snare drum moves down every time you hit it, or your toms crash down onto your bass drum. Your hardware is responsible for keeping your drums and cymbals where you want them. Cheap hardware may do it for a year, but probably won't for two or three years.

Another thought, three years down the road, Gammon Percussion may not even exist while Ludwig, Tama, Yamaha, Pearl, Grestch and Pacific( a division of DW) will, and you'll have their support if your drum kit needs parts or service. With that in mind, if you go to a local music store and say "I need to replace a lug on my Gammon Percussion snare drum" they say "who?". But of you say "I need to replace a lug on my Tama snare drum" they'll know exactly what to do.

In my experience, drums and cymbals are more affordable than ever before. The least expensive cymbals made by Sabian, Zildjian and Paiste sound very good, especially against amplified instruments. Eight years ago I bought a Ludwig Rocker Pro (now called Birch Classic) kit for around $800 and its sounds as good as many of the $2000-$3000 kits available today. you can really stretch you dollar with drums. I would recommend checking out:
Ludwig Accent Series (Look like pro kits at a budget price)
Mapex QR Series
Pacific Drums (Probably the best looking budget kits going)
Pearl VX Series (well known for quality)
Tama Imperialstar Series (good sound, great quality)

I've done business in the past with www.midwestpercussion.com they have some of the best prices going.

Another option would to buy a used name brand kit.

Lzen
04-24-2008, 08:34 AM
That's a fantastic deal on the JR set there, Archie. You gave some great advice, too. :thumb:

In my own experience, the low end Pulse drum sets suck. I bought one for my youngest boy 3-4 years ago. Like Archie said, they went cheap on the hardware and it fell apart after only a few months.
That set he found on guitarcenter looks like a sweet deal. Sure, it's a smaller set (Jr size), but Ludwig is a known brand. I just bought a Ludwig full sized set for my 15 year old son. I got it from Sam Ash (www.samash.com). They apparently aren't offering this deal any more or I would post a link. It is a full 5 piece set with the throne, snare, bass, floor tom, two toms(mid toms?), hi hat stand, crash stand, and 4 Zildijan cymbals (18" ride, 14" crash, and the two hit hat cymbals) all for under $500.

You could also try Musician's Friend (www.musiciansfriend.com).

Lzen
04-24-2008, 08:38 AM
One other thing, bogey. You would be better off dealing with a company like Samash, Musician's Friend, Guitar Center, etc. than dealing with someone on Ebay. If things aren't right, they will replace them no problem.

Lzen
04-24-2008, 08:51 AM
One more to consider. This one is Groove Percussion. It is Sam Ash's line. Not sure of the quality, but it looks to be a complete set with cymbals. Everything you see in the pic is included.

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemPos=0&TempID=1&DepartmentID=4&STRID=103542&CategorySubID=14&CategoryID=14&BrandID=0&CategorySubPriceRangeID=0&pagesize=10&SortMethod=2&Method=3&PriceRangeID=0&SearchPhrase=&Contains=&Search_Type=Department&GroupCode=&categorysubsearch=true
http://www.samash.com/images/items/gpvt16blk.jpg

Stewie
04-24-2008, 02:36 PM
Too bad you live in Cali. I have a set of Rogers drums (heavy duty & well constructed) w/Zildjian and Sabien cymbals I'd let go for cheap.

Crashride
04-24-2008, 03:11 PM
buy something cheap if she likes it and shows long term interest then upgrade after shes outgrown it a little. After a while some new drummers, like any instrument, get frustrated and put down the sticks for good. Groove Percussion is what I would reccomend.

Demonpenz
04-24-2008, 03:26 PM
it's nice to have a small bass drum. The full ones sound good but don't fit anywhere

bogey
04-24-2008, 03:50 PM
Hey, I really, really appreciate everyones help. Thank you very much!

SNAFU
04-24-2008, 04:05 PM
I have been drumming for almost 30 years and can tell you there's been some great advice given here. I applaud you for taking an interest in your daughters desire to play drums. When my son was 13, I bought him a Rockwood set by Hohner (parent company to Sonor) for a little over $300. We put new aquarian heads all around and upgraded his hi-hats. I was totally shocked at the sound. I would have gigged with it and not worried one bit. That was nine years ago and that set is still holding up well. He's moved on to better quality sets but plans to keep it and still plays it occasionally.

bogey
04-24-2008, 04:09 PM
A girl drummer? hmmm...

If she sticks with it, she'll be the coolest kid in school.