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Marco Polo
04-23-2008, 09:43 PM
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The Bills are reportedly looking at Michigan State WR Devin Thomas with the No. 11 overall pick. ESPN's John Clayton says Buffalo, which runs a Cover 2 scheme, is also eyeing cornerbacks with the selection. Clayton also suggests that the Bills might try to move out of the pick, possibly in a trade with Kansas City.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3364287&searchName=clayton_john&campaign=rsssrch&source=john+clayton&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%

BigChiefFan
04-23-2008, 09:48 PM
I'll give the Chiefs credit-they've got everybody bluffed this year. They've done a good job of being tight-lipped.

banyon
04-23-2008, 09:48 PM
Move up to get Otah/Clady?

Marco Polo
04-23-2008, 09:49 PM
From this article, I'm reading that the Chiefs would move up to 11 from 17. Am I reading this wrong?

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 09:49 PM
Going Long: If it comes down to a choice between defensive end Chris Long or Vernon Gholston, expect the Chiefs to go with Long. Defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham used to coach Long's dad, Howie Long, and Chris is the type of hard worker that would fit their defense. Gholston might be the better athlete, but Long mirrors Allen for his hustle and aggressiveness. Odds favor him being the No. 5 choice in the draft -- if he's still there.

Trading places: Expect the Chiefs to actively shop for a trade that could put them into the top 12 of the draft in order to get one of the top offensive linemen. One possible trade partner could be the Buffalo Bills. With the 11th pick, the Bills are looking at wide receiver Devin Thomas and one of the three top small-college cornerbacks. By moving back, the Bills could maybe pick up a third-round pick and still have a choice of one cornerback and possibly Thomas.


huh? does he have teams confused in that 2nd paragraph?

Marco Polo
04-23-2008, 09:50 PM
Long/Gholston at 5; Clady at 11. I likey. What would we have to give up to move up six spots? I'm guessing one of our thirds?

keg in kc
04-23-2008, 09:50 PM
That's how I read it, as well.

aturnis
04-23-2008, 09:50 PM
From this article, I'm reading that the Chiefs would move up to 11 from 17. Am I reading this wrong?

nope..

Oh Snap
04-23-2008, 09:50 PM
wtf, why cant i start a thread? and **** the bills!

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 09:51 PM
ohhhhh...moving up from our 2nd first....got it

UteChief
04-23-2008, 09:54 PM
That could be cool.

ClevelandBronco
04-23-2008, 09:54 PM
wtf, why cant i start a thread?!

Because this actually a Broncos board. We enjoy playing with you guys.

and **** the bills!

and **** the bills!

Brock
04-23-2008, 09:55 PM
Move up right in front of Denver. **** you, Denver.

BIG K
04-23-2008, 09:55 PM
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The Bills are reportedly looking at Michigan State WR Devin Thomas with the No. 11 overall pick. ESPN's John Clayton says Buffalo, which runs a Cover 2 scheme, is also eyeing cornerbacks with the selection. Clayton also suggests that the Bills might try to move out of the pick, possibly in a trade with Kansas City.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3364287&searchName=clayton_john&campaign=rsssrch&source=john+clayton&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%

****! This could prove to be one of the most exciting drafts for the Chiefs since I have been a fan and I will be out of town camping, for my birthday! :cuss:

keg in kc
04-23-2008, 09:58 PM
****! This could prove to be one of the most exciting drafts for the Chiefs since I have been a fan and I will be out of town camping, for my birthday! :cuss:That's what you get for being born, dummy.

Tribal Warfare
04-23-2008, 09:58 PM
Long/Gholston at 5; Clady at 11.


Chris Williams

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2008, 09:58 PM
Move ahead of Denver to take Chris Williams is the more likely scenario instead of Clady IMO.

BigChiefFan
04-23-2008, 09:58 PM
Two days until Christmas.

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-23-2008, 09:59 PM
11 looks to be too high for devin thomas, so i can definately see this happening...clady at 11 wouldn't be so bad.

Mr. Laz
04-23-2008, 10:00 PM
i like this ..... if someone is there at 11 then pull the trigger.


much better than trading down from 5 and "settling" for some guy to get an extra 4th round pick or something.

the Talking Can
04-23-2008, 10:04 PM
Move up right in front of Denver. **** you, Denver.

for williams, yeah...that would be hilarious

hope we don't trade up for clady

KC kid
04-23-2008, 10:07 PM
for williams, yeah...that would be hilarious

hope we don't trade up for clady

Branden Albert at 11

BIG K
04-23-2008, 10:08 PM
That's what you get for being born, dummy.

Ironically my friend, I was born the same year the Chiefs were last present in the 'Superbowl'....37 years and counting....:grr:

SBK
04-23-2008, 10:11 PM
They want to be in front of Denver. Screw the Broncos. I hope we take their #1 and #2 guys at 11.

doomy3
04-23-2008, 10:14 PM
Trade back with the Pats or Jets and pick up a 2nd or 3rd, then move up from 17 to 11 by giving up a 3rd. I like that. I think I like 6th/7th and 11th better than 5th and 17th, and we get to essentially keep all of our picks in this scenario...

JBucc
04-23-2008, 10:15 PM
We'll use the pick we get from trading from 5 to 7 to move up to 11 from 17!

Smed1065
04-23-2008, 10:15 PM
Very nice off season so far, even though I thought different 15 days ago.

Mr. Laz
04-23-2008, 10:15 PM
Trade back with the Pats or Jets and pick up a 2nd or 3rd, then move up from 17 to 11 by giving up a 3rd. I like that. I think I like 6th/7th and 11th better than 5th and 17th, and we get to essentially keep all of our picks in this scenario...
why the hell would we move back from 5 and maybe miss out on the top talent of the draft?

xbarretx
04-23-2008, 10:16 PM
Move up right in front of Denver. **** you, Denver.

:clap:

Pasta Giant Meatball
04-23-2008, 10:19 PM
why the hell would we move back from 5 and maybe miss out on the top talent of the draft?

because if KC wants ellis and he is still on board...neither the jets or pats will take him, so by moving down a spot or 2, KC gets the player they want plus an extra pick...now if they want gholston and trade down they are retards, because that is who NE or the jets will likely be fighting over.

doomy3
04-23-2008, 10:19 PM
why the hell would we move back from 5 and maybe miss out on the top talent of the draft?

Because we could still get a top talent.

Let's say the board falls like this, which it definitely could:

1. Miami- J. Long
2. St. Louis- G. Dorsey
3. Atlanta- M. Ryan
4. Oakland- C. Long

we know the Jets like McFadden and the Patriots like Gholston, so in this scenario we would be assured of landing Ellis. Or at the worst, we would get Gholston.

Even if the Falcons take C. Long and then Oakland takes Gholston, then we could move back one spot and still take Ellis or Ryan. Seems like a win/win for us and we gain another pick in the top 3 rounds.

Mile High Mania
04-23-2008, 10:20 PM
Good, I hope you guys move ahead of Denver and save Shanahan from himself by forcing him to take his 2nd option...

Pitt Gorilla
04-23-2008, 10:20 PM
why the hell would we move back from 5 and maybe miss out on the top talent of the draft?We won't.

doomy3
04-23-2008, 10:21 PM
why the hell would we move back from 5 and maybe miss out on the top talent of the draft?


And BTW, who are you assuming is the top talent in the draft?

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2008, 10:26 PM
More I think about, we move up to 11 it will be to take Albert.

Mr. Kotter
04-23-2008, 10:58 PM
More I think about, we move up to 11 it will be to take Albert.

It would be a good move too....there would be a DE/DT at 17 worth that pick, IMHO. :)

Count Zarth
04-23-2008, 11:01 PM
I'm hearing we're going to trade all 13 of our picks this year for every pick in next year's draft. Then next year we're going to trade the entire draft for the rights to every pick for the next 10 years. We'll dominate the NFL.

ChiefsCountry
04-23-2008, 11:01 PM
It would be a good move too....there would be a DE/DT at 17 worth that pick, IMHO. :)

No, no, no - we would trade up with Buffalo from 17 to get Albert. At 5 we would get Ellis or Gholston.

SBK
04-23-2008, 11:08 PM
Because we could still get a top talent.

Let's say the board falls like this, which it definitely could:

1. Miami- J. Long
2. St. Louis- G. Dorsey
3. Atlanta- M. Ryan
4. Oakland- C. Long

we know the Jets like McFadden and the Patriots like Gholston, so in this scenario we would be assured of landing Ellis. Or at the worst, we would get Gholston.


No, in this scenario you would take Gholston and give the middle finger to anyone wanting to trade up.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2008, 01:30 AM
Move up right in front of Denver. **** you, Denver.

That's awesome.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2008, 01:46 AM
It's not for Albert, it's for Chris Williams. Denver loves Williams, and you guys should too.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2008, 02:01 AM
It's not for Albert, it's for Chris Williams. Denver loves Williams, and you guys should too.


If that's what it takes to lock him down, I'm all for it. Chris Williams needs to be our 2nd first round pick.

Discuss Thrower
04-24-2008, 02:15 AM
If KC were in the mood to move up, as GM I would try my hardest to "mortgage the future" and only surrender one pick in the 2008 Draft and throw in anything lower than a 2nd to make it palatable... That is of course if means we get a good value and not totally butt****ed in either the 09 or 10 draft.

cookster50
04-24-2008, 05:41 AM
Very nice off season so far, even though I thought different 15 days ago.

Haha, just wait until after the draft when all the guru's give the Chiefs and F grade.

TEX
04-24-2008, 06:36 AM
No, in this scenario you would take Gholston and give the middle finger to anyone wanting to trade up.

Yep. If Long, Dorsey, Ryan, and C, Long are gone - this is what I hope we do. Seems like a no brainer. That's what scares me though.

Shoot - I'f Ryan's gone, I'd take Gholston at # 5 no matter who's still there.

The Rick
04-24-2008, 07:49 AM
Haha, just wait until after the draft when all the guru's give the Chiefs and F grade.
With the picks we have, as long as we don't screw them up too badly, I expect us to get a good grade this year for once.

eazyb81
04-24-2008, 07:54 AM
I'll give the Chiefs credit-they've got everybody bluffed this year. They've done a good job of being tight-lipped.

I agree, no one has a clue what we're going to do. You've gotta hand it to them, they've played their hand well this year.

eazyb81
04-24-2008, 07:55 AM
If that's what it takes to lock him down, I'm all for it. Chris Williams needs to be our 2nd first round pick.

Yep, he screams "elite left tackle" to me.

KCrockaholic
04-24-2008, 08:05 AM
It's not for Albert, it's for Chris Williams. Denver loves Williams, and you guys should too.

your missing one thing though...KC loves Albert, not Williams

the Talking Can
04-24-2008, 08:09 AM
Good, I hope you guys move ahead of Denver and save Shanahan from himself by forcing him to take his 2nd option...


you want us to take williams so that he will take Stewart?

am i close?

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2008, 08:10 AM
your missing one thing though...KC loves Albert, not Williams

Do you really believe the things you hear around draft time?

mlyonsd
04-24-2008, 08:21 AM
I agree, no one has a clue what we're going to do. You've gotta hand it to them, they've played their hand well this year.

What makes you sure even they know what they're doing?

Braincase
04-24-2008, 08:26 AM
your missing one thing though...KC loves Albert, not Williams

That's what Carl & Herm want you to believe.

We'll draft guys in the first round we haven't even talked to.

tiptap
04-24-2008, 08:41 AM
So according to this article as of March 10, we had over 30 million in cap room.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-underthecap031008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Now that is trimmed down. And we got rid of JA salary so we have more like 40 million. Add in two 1st round choices though at no 5 and 17. Those bonuses are about 30 million. Usually those bonus are spread out over some years but we do have the option of taking those hits this year.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/NFL+Features/2007/signingchart07.htm

Now you could say we are cheap. But historically the Chiefs have spent most of the money of the cap each year. It is just a sign of what we are doing.

But this should make it easy to get people into training camp.

blueballs
04-24-2008, 10:38 AM
That Clark Hunt is one cheap bastard
signs LJ and Tony G
now wants two high first rounders and their high signing bonuses

StcChief
04-24-2008, 10:48 AM
****! This could prove to be one of the most exciting drafts for the Chiefs since I have been a fan and I will be out of town camping, for my birthday! :cuss:ESPN radio network?

Pitt Gorilla
04-24-2008, 11:22 AM
It's not for Albert, it's for Chris Williams. Denver loves Williams, and you guys should too.Chris Williams should be an outstanding left tackle for years. I think he's better on the left than Long.

el borracho
04-24-2008, 11:37 AM
****! This could prove to be one of the most exciting drafts for the Chiefs since I have been a fan and I will be out of town camping, for my birthday! :cuss:

Don't worry- we'll keep the implosion going for you here at Chiefsplanet.

Pestilence
04-24-2008, 11:41 AM
I'm hoping for a Sedrick Ellis/Chris Williams 1st round draft.

sedated
04-24-2008, 12:11 PM
Lets trade our 1st in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, and rebuild our entire core in one day.

dj56dt58
04-24-2008, 12:19 PM
If we move up to 11 and he's there, the guy I want is Cromartie Rogers

Woodrow Call
04-24-2008, 01:05 PM
Clayton was just on ESPN and said as soon as the Allen trade went through the Chiefs started trying to move up into the high teens to grab Albert. He seemed to think the Chiefs/Bills trade had a good chance of happening.

How picks would that jump cost the Chiefs?

Count Zarth
04-24-2008, 01:08 PM
Clayton was just on ESPN and said as soon as the Allen trade went through the Chiefs started trying to move up into the high teens to grab Albert. He seemed to think the Chiefs/Bills trade had a good chance of happening.

How picks would that jump cost the Chiefs?

I'm guessing a third-rounder plus something else. 17 to 11 is 300 points.

beach tribe
04-24-2008, 01:08 PM
If we move up to 11 and he's there, the guy I want is Cromartie Rogers

We need bigger corners in this system.
I have a feeling OCs would toss right toward his ass.
He can't tackle.

Mr. Arrowhead
04-24-2008, 01:09 PM
I would be thrilled if we ended up with
5. Chris Long
11. ? Alberts

ChiefsCountry
04-24-2008, 01:09 PM
Clayton was just on ESPN and said as soon as the Allen trade went through the Chiefs started trying to move up into the high teens to grab Albert. He seemed to think the Chiefs/Bills trade had a good chance of happening.

How picks would that jump cost the Chiefs?

#17 and #66.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2008, 01:10 PM
your missing one thing though...KC loves Albert, not Williams

We only convert safeties, not guards. Jeez, get with the program.

beach tribe
04-24-2008, 01:10 PM
I'm hoping for a Sedrick Ellis/Chris Williams 1st round draft.

Nice.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2008, 01:11 PM
Clayton was just on ESPN and said as soon as the Allen trade went through the Chiefs started trying to move up into the high teens to grab Albert. He seemed to think the Chiefs/Bills trade had a good chance of happening.

How picks would that jump cost the Chiefs?

To move from #17 to #11 (300pt difference) we would likely need to give up #73 (225pts) and #105 (84pts).

Count Zarth
04-24-2008, 01:11 PM
We only convert safeties, not guards. Jeez, get with the program.

O rly?

http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/jordan_black.jpg

alanm
04-24-2008, 01:16 PM
We only convert safeties, not guards. Jeez, get with the program.
Well if we're going to grab a safety I hope it's Reggie Smith out of Oklahoma.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 01:17 PM
To move from #17 to #11 (300pt difference) we would likely need to give up #73 (225pts) and #105 (84pts).


Not interested for a 3rd AND 4th.

Stay put.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2008, 01:18 PM
Not interested for a 3rd AND 4th.

Stay put.


I don't think it's worth it either. One of the OT's or a better player will be there at #17.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 01:23 PM
I don't think it's worth it either. One of the OT's or a better player will be there at #17.

Yep.

You've got Williams, Albert, Otah and Clady to pick from.

11 picks between the 5th and 17th.

IMO, the only teams that I'd worry about taking an OLman:

Denver
Carolina
Chicago

And Carolina would be foolish not to take either Harvey or Mendenhall with their pick if available.

One, if not two of those OLmen will be there.

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2008, 01:25 PM
Yep.

You've got Williams, Albert, Otah and Clady to pick from.

11 picks between the 5th and 17th.

IMO, the only teams that I'd worry about taking an OLman:

Denver
Carolina
Chicago

And Carolina would be foolish not to take either Harvey or Mendenhall with their pick if available.

One, if not two of those OLmen will be there.

Yep, I was looking at the order and those are the only 3 I'd expect to grab one. I would doubt Carolina would too since they have the tag on Jordan Gross. Chicago could go with a lot of different options.

bowener
04-24-2008, 01:32 PM
Move up right in front of Denver. **** you, Denver.

First thing I thought when I read this was how fun it would be to take the LT that the broncos may want, right before them. Im not sure how I feel about Clady though. How does he stack up against Otah or Alberts once he is moved??

DT Fan
04-24-2008, 01:32 PM
Yep.

You've got Williams, Albert, Otah and Clady to pick from.

11 picks between the 5th and 17th.

IMO, the only teams that I'd worry about taking an OLman:

Denver
Carolina
Chicago

And Carolina would be foolish not to take either Harvey or Mendenhall with their pick if available.

One, if not two of those OLmen will be there.

I could see NE taking Albert and Baltimore taking a linemen if Ryan is gone.

The nightmare scenario at 17 is if Albert, Clady (who I don't like), Otah, and Williams are all gone and McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie and Jenkins are gone, plus Harvey is also gone.

If we were picking in the top 16, we'd be guaranteed one of those guys even if Rivers falls out of the top 16 (which I think could happen)

But at 17, I think there's an outside chance that the top 5 OTs and the top 3 CBs are all off the board.

That would leave us choice of:
-- Taking a chance on Talib a CB.
-- Reaching for a linemen like Cherilus
-- Wasting a pick on Merling
-- Or surprising everyone by taking a WR or even a QB.

I think I'd rather see us move up from 17 to make sure we get one of those OL or CBs. I suppose by the 10th pick we'll have a good idea whether someone will fall down to us (if Rivers is still on the board after New Orleans, then I'll be worried).

beach tribe
04-24-2008, 01:40 PM
I could see NE taking Albert and Baltimore taking a linemen if Ryan is gone.

The nightmare scenario at 17 is if Albert, Clady (who I don't like), Otah, and Williams are all gone and McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie and Jenkins are gone, plus Harvey is also gone.

If we were picking in the top 16, we'd be guaranteed one of those guys even if Rivers falls out of the top 16 (which I think could happen)

But at 17, I think there's an outside chance that the top 5 OTs and the top 3 CBs are all off the board.

That would leave us choice of:
-- Taking a chance on Talib a CB.
-- Reaching for a linemen like Cherilus
-- Wasting a pick on Merling
-- Or surprising everyone by taking a WR or even a QB.

I think I'd rather see us move up from 17 to make sure we get one of those OL or CBs. I suppose by the 10th pick we'll have a good idea whether someone will fall down to us (if Rivers is still on the board after New Orleans, then I'll be worried).


Impossible

DaKCMan AP
04-24-2008, 01:42 PM
I could see NE taking Albert and Baltimore taking a linemen if Ryan is gone.

The nightmare scenario at 17 is if Albert, Clady (who I don't like), Otah, and Williams are all gone and McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie and Jenkins are gone, plus Harvey is also gone.

If we were picking in the top 16, we'd be guaranteed one of those guys even if Rivers falls out of the top 16 (which I think could happen)

But at 17, I think there's an outside chance that the top 5 OTs and the top 3 CBs are all off the board.

That would leave us choice of:
-- Taking a chance on Talib a CB.
-- Reaching for a linemen like Cherilus
-- Wasting a pick on Merling
-- Or surprising everyone by taking a WR or even a QB.

I think I'd rather see us move up from 17 to make sure we get one of those OL or CBs. I suppose by the 10th pick we'll have a good idea whether someone will fall down to us (if Rivers is still on the board after New Orleans, then I'll be worried).

Highly likely that McFadden, Dorsey, Gholston, Ellis, Long, Ryan, Albert, Clady, Williams, Otah, McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie, Jenkins, Harvey are all gone with teams passing on Rivers, Mendenhall, and Stewart.

DT Fan
04-24-2008, 01:51 PM
Highly likely that McFadden, Dorsey, Gholston, Ellis, Long, Ryan, Albert, Clady, Williams, Otah, McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie, Jenkins, Harvey are all gone with teams passing on Rivers, Mendenhall, and Stewart.

Right. That's why we need to hear two names from out of Rivers, Mendenhall, Stewart, or Devin Thomas or a surprise name (like the Lions picking Mayo or AZ going for Felix Jones or something like that).

dj56dt58
04-24-2008, 01:56 PM
We need bigger corners in this system.
I have a feeling OCs would toss right toward his ass.
He can't tackle.

With the players we have we could get Gholson, trade up and get Cromartie, change to more of a man to man/blitzing scheme like we had in the 90s and imo we'd have a pretty damn good defense

Gholston, DJ, and Edwards can all get to the qb and Cromartie would get his share of picks

DT Fan
04-24-2008, 02:02 PM
Gholston seems like a better fit for a 3-4 than a 4-3. I realize the guy could be the next Merriman or Ware, but I think there's also a chance that he could be a disappointment because GMs are looking for that new prototype of player. I'm not really sure who I'd rather have if Gholston or Ellis are on the board, but I wouldn't be at all disappointed if Ellis is the pick.

dj56dt58
04-24-2008, 02:04 PM
Gholston seems like a better fit for a 3-4 than a 4-3. I realize the guy could be the next Merriman or Ware, but I think there's also a chance that he could be a disappointment because GMs are looking for that new prototype of player. I'm not really sure who I'd rather have if Gholston or Ellis are on the board, but I wouldn't be at all disappointed if Ellis is the pick.

Play makers make big plays regardless of the system...we could use him in the same way we used DT..

tomahawk kid
04-24-2008, 02:16 PM
Clayton was just on ESPN and said as soon as the Allen trade went through the Chiefs started trying to move up into the high teens to grab Albert. He seemed to think the Chiefs/Bills trade had a good chance of happening.

How picks would that jump cost the Chiefs?

Can someone explain to me why in the f#ck we want to draft a guy who wasn't good enough to play LT IN COLLEGE, to play LT in the NFL?

Am I missing something here? This guy scares the shit out of me. Sounds like typical pre-draft hype for a guy who'll bust in the pro's.

Brock
04-24-2008, 02:18 PM
Can someone explain to me why in the f#ck we want to draft a guy who wasn't good enough to play LT IN COLLEGE, to play LT in the NFL?

Am I missing something here? This guy scares the shit out of me. Sounds like typical pre-draft hype for a guy who'll bust in the pro's.

It seem a lot of teams think he's a LT. IMO, he's a safer pick than Clady even if he's just left at guard.

DT Fan
04-24-2008, 02:20 PM
Who says you have to draft him to play LT?

I know people say that you shouldn't draft guards in the top half of the draft, but if Will Shields were sitting there at 5 this year, I'd draft him in a heartbeat. (not that Albert is the next Will Shields, but if he's a great NFL guard, I have no problem using a high pick on him).

tomahawk kid
04-24-2008, 02:21 PM
It seem a lot of teams think he's a LT. IMO, he's a safer pick than Clady even if he's just left at guard.

What makes you think that? Level of competition?

Brock
04-24-2008, 02:22 PM
What makes you think that? Level of competition?

Yes, that's just my opinion. He's never faced players of the caliber that Jake Long has. The guy just screams bust to me.

tomahawk kid
04-24-2008, 02:22 PM
Who says you have to draft him to play LT?

I know people say that you shouldn't draft guards in the top half of the draft, but if Will Shields were sitting there at 5 this year, I'd draft him in a heartbeat. (not that Albert is the next Will Shields, but if he's a great NFL guard, I have no problem using a high pick on him).

I think it's too high, but I understand your point about Will.

What scares me is alot of folks seem to want to try him at LT, which reminds me of when we drafted college freaking safeties to play corner in the NFL.

tomahawk kid
04-24-2008, 02:23 PM
Yes, that's just my opinion. He's never faced players of the caliber that Jake Long has. The guy just screams bust to me.

Understood.

I'm just more comfortable drafting a guy to play the position he played in college.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 02:23 PM
What makes you think that? Level of competition?

Level of competition, not dominating that weak competition, and he's dumb as a box of rocks.

You could have him and Vince Young work on the Wonderlic TOGETHER and they wouldn't break 20.

ChiefsCountry
04-24-2008, 02:24 PM
Can someone explain to me why in the f#ck we want to draft a guy who wasn't good enough to play LT IN COLLEGE, to play LT in the NFL?

Am I missing something here? This guy scares the shit out of me. Sounds like typical pre-draft hype for a guy who'll bust in the pro's.

Chiefs dont need Albert to play left tackle. McIntosh wasnt the problem and lot of people fail to realize that. Ideally Albert would be at right guard to start and if some how they try him in practices or training camp at left tackle who knows we might get something. Pretty safe pick actually, if he failed at tackle we know he is a dominating guard. I wouldnt take him at 5, 11 to 17 I would be fine with him.

tomahawk kid
04-24-2008, 02:26 PM
Level of competition, not dominating that weak competition, and he's dumb as a box of rocks.

You could have him and Vince Young work on the Wonderlic TOGETHER and they wouldn't break 20.

Wow.

Hadn't heard that about Clady. Did he bomb the wonderlic too?

tomahawk kid
04-24-2008, 02:27 PM
Chiefs dont need Albert to play left tackle. McIntosh wasnt the problem and lot of people fail to realize that. Ideally Albert would be at right guard to start and if some how they try him in practices or training camp at left tackle who knows we might get something. Pretty safe pick actually, if he failed at tackle we know he is a dominating guard. I wouldnt take him at 5, 11 to 17 I would be fine with him.

I'd be fine at 11, but if Chris Long's there @ 5 and we take Albert - I'm going to puke.

ChiefsCountry
04-24-2008, 02:27 PM
Wow.

Hadn't heard that about Clady. Did he bomb the wonderlic too?

14

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 02:28 PM
Chiefs dont need Albert to play left tackle. McIntosh wasnt the problem and lot of people fail to realize that. Ideally Albert would be at right guard to start and if some how they try him in practices or training camp at left tackle who knows we might get something. Pretty safe pick actually, if he failed at tackle we know he is a dominating guard. I wouldnt take him at 5, 11 to 17 I would be fine with him.


Agree.

If they were to take Albert, they're not gonna move Mcintosh to a position of weakness just to move Albert out to LT.

I think the only way Mac gets moved is if we draft a true LT like Williams - and depending on who else we draft later, Mac may find himself in a backup role.....

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 02:30 PM
14


I thought it was 13, but the point stands.

One of many reasons why most people prefer Chris Williams to any other LT in the draft.

Extremely smart - have to be to go to Vandy.

Handled the best pass rushers in CFB in the SEC. He's played against the highest competition, and succeeded.

Many think he's the best PURE LT in the draft.

BigVE
04-24-2008, 02:33 PM
Move ahead of Denver to take Chris Williams is the more likely scenario instead of Clady IMO.

I hope your right...screw Clady, screw the bills.

ChiefsCountry
04-24-2008, 02:34 PM
Agree.

If they were to take Albert, they're not gonna move Mcintosh to a position of weakness just to move Albert out to LT.

I think the only way Mac gets moved is if we draft a true LT like Williams - and depending on who else we draft later, Mac may find himself in a backup role.....

Williams and Baker are the only ones IMO would could do that. Right tackle is the bigger concern.

tomahawk kid
04-24-2008, 02:36 PM
I thought it was 13, but the point stands.

One of many reasons why most people prefer Chris Williams to any other LT in the draft.

Extremely smart - have to be to go to Vandy.

Handled the best pass rushers in CFB in the SEC. He's played against the highest competition, and succeeded.

Many think he's the best PURE LT in the draft.

That's what I've heard too.

Hopefully Williams is there at 11.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 02:44 PM
Williams and Baker are the only ones IMO would could do that. Right tackle is the bigger concern.

Agree 100%, CC.

DTLB58
04-24-2008, 02:51 PM
Level of competition, not dominating that weak competition, and he's dumb as a box of rocks.

You could have him and Vince Young work on the Wonderlic TOGETHER and they wouldn't break 20.

Remember Ryan Leaf got a 28 on the Wunderlic ;)

DT Fan
04-24-2008, 03:44 PM
Chiefs dont need Albert to play left tackle. McIntosh wasnt the problem and lot of people fail to realize that. Ideally Albert would be at right guard to start and if some how they try him in practices or training camp at left tackle who knows we might get something. Pretty safe pick actually, if he failed at tackle we know he is a dominating guard. I wouldnt take him at 5, 11 to 17 I would be fine with him.

That's why I think the team may be targeting Otah. If they are happy with McIntosh at LT, then Otah would make a terrific fit as a RT.

ChiefsCountry
04-24-2008, 03:48 PM
That's why I think the team may be targeting Otah. If they are happy with McIntosh at LT, then Otah would make a terrific fit as a RT.

Or Gosher from BC. Remember we have a connection on both coaching staffs.

Tribal Warfare
04-26-2008, 01:52 AM
What would the point value be to trade up with Buffalo?