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Mr. Kotter
04-23-2008, 10:00 PM
Poll to follow....based on likely availability of BAAs and position/need for the Chiefs, that may enter the equation.

Comments and thoughts on poll trends and picks.....welcomed, encouraged, and....please....entertain us.

;)

banyon
04-23-2008, 10:09 PM
i don't see how the top 4 guys and Devin Thomas would be around at this point, but I made my choice among those.

Mr. Kotter
04-23-2008, 10:14 PM
i don't see how the top 4 guys and Devin Thomas would be around at this point, but I made my choice among those.

I don't see four QBs going in the first round....so I think one will survive to 35.
I'm hearing Thomas is dropping....and WRs as a group are deep....with so many other "studs" Thomas could slip....

Otherwise, I still like several of those players still on the board at that point....a lot. So it's win-win, IMHO.

banyon
04-23-2008, 10:16 PM
I don't see four QBs going in the first round....so I think one will survive to 35.
I'm hearing Thomas is dropping....and WRs as a group are deep....with so many other "studs" Thomas could slip....

Otherwise, I still like several of those players still on the board at that point....a lot. So it's win-win, IMHO.

Fair enough. I'd be ectastic to get oneof those guys at 35#, I just don't see it happening.

Silock
04-23-2008, 10:22 PM
I voted Flowers. I don't see us taking a QB that early. I think Croyle has one more year. If he sucks this year, then we'll still have a high enough draft pick to get one next year.

Mr. Kotter
04-23-2008, 11:17 PM
I voted Flowers. I don't see us taking a QB that early. I think Croyle has one more year. If he sucks this year, then we'll still have a high enough draft pick to get one next year.

My thoughts exactly. :thumb:

88TG88
04-23-2008, 11:21 PM
Rachal or Flowers

Mr. Flopnuts
04-24-2008, 01:06 AM
I figured this is where I was going to buck the norm. I was wrong.


If Broem is available in the 2nd round, he's waaaay too much value to pass up. He has the potential to be the best QB in this draft IMO.

KCChiefsMan
04-24-2008, 01:09 AM
we will definately reach with our 2nd round pick, that's a given.

ClevelandBronco
04-24-2008, 01:16 AM
It would probably be wise to let time expire before you pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2008, 01:54 AM
If we draft Rachal or Flowers with #35, we might as well start making Jim Jones Kool Aid in 50 gallon drums.

Those would be hideous picks.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2008, 06:47 AM
If we draft Rachal or Flowers with #35, we might as well start making Jim Jones Kool Aid in 50 gallon drums.

Those would be hideous picks.

I included those considered/ranked for value near the 35th pick, and at a position of need.....I'm going off what I read, cause Lord knows I don't get to watch much college football.

And you know what? Given the history of Peterson in the 2nd round..... :shake:

:banghead:

It would probably be wise to let time expire before you pick.

WTH? You think we are the Vikings or something? :shrug:

bsp4444
04-24-2008, 07:23 AM
I made the assumption that we picked up our Ol and DE int he first round and went with a WR to compliment Bowe, James Hardy.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2008, 08:01 AM
If Brohm drops to 35, I can see why....we might want to pick him based on value....but I doubt he makes it to the second round.

So that leaves us with Otah, Cherilus, and Baker....as our choices from this poll at the moment.

Jeff Otah
OT | (6'6", 322, 5.56) | PITTSBURGH
Scouts Grade: 94

Flags: (S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position
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Strengths: Is a massive, mauling right tackle type. Has a huge frame with very long arms (35.3 inches). Not a great athlete but does play with good balance. He has a massive base. Will get low and uproot DL. Does an excellent job of anchoring versus the bull rush. Shows very good overall strength. Rarely loses a battle once he is locked on. Will drive his legs and create a new line of scrimmage as a run blocker. Still learning technique but is intelligent and continues to improve with more experience and coaching.

Weaknesses: Below average athlete. The more space he's in the less effective he becomes. Lacks ideal initial quickness out of his stance and struggles to get set in time versus speed edge rushers. Struggles to reach the second level ass a run blocker. Will have trouble hitting moving targets in space. Hands are smaller than ideal (9.2 inches).

Overall: Otah was born in Nigeria, came to the United States when he was seven years old and did not play organized football until his senior season of high school. He attended Valley Forge (Pa.) Military College in his first two years out of high school (2004-'05), making 17 consecutive starts at left tackle. He also averaged nearly 19 points and 12 rebounds for the Valley Forge basketball team. Otah transferred to Pitt in 2006 and made an immediate impact, starting all 24 games of his junior and senior seasons with the Panthers. He was an All-Big East first team selection in 2007. The Nigerian-born Otah lacks ideal playing experience and is still unpolished. While he is not a great athlete, he is not as slow as his combine workout numbers might indicate, as he participated despite an ankle injury. Otah is a massive mauler with the size, power and short-area quickness to develop into a good starting right tackle in the NFL, which is why we grade him as a mid-to-late first round prospect.

:hmmm:

Gosder Cherilus
OT | (6'6", 314, 5.21) | BOSTON COLLEGE
Scouts Grade: 90
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Strengths: Has a massive frame and good feet for his size. His arms (36.2 inches) and hands (11.6 inches) are enormous. Plays with a mean streak. Is big enough to engulf defenders if he's in position, can wear them down over the course of a game and has the frame to add even more weight. Won't take many false steps, is efficient and generally gets into sound position. Drives legs once in position, shows above-average lower body strength and is a powerful run blocker that can get movement in short-yardage situations. Plays with good motor, stays under control when gets into space and is an effective downfield blocker. Efficiently gets into pass set and uses long arms to ride pass rushers past the pocket. Moves feet well for size, stays balanced and flashes the ability to counter double moves. Keeps head up, shows good awareness and can pick up the blitz as well as line stunts.

Weaknesses: Plays entirely too high. Has quick feet for his size and good overall strength but both can be compromised by his marginal leverage. Though he gets good hand placement and rarely loses battle once locked on to the defender, he doesn't deliver a powerful initial punch. While big enough to hold ground most of the time, he bends at the waist rather than the knees and powerful bull rushers should have some success pushing back into the pocket.

Overall: Cherilus redshirted in 2003, had arthroscopic surgery on his right knee in March 2003, and then went on to start every game in his playing career at Boston College. In his first three seasons (2004-06), he made 37 consecutive starts at right tackle. As a senior, he moved to left tackle and started all 14 games. Gosder needs to work on staying lower to the ground and he appears to be a better fit at right tackle than left tackle. Regardless, Cherilus is a four-year starter who possesses a very good overall talent, including a massive frame, quick feet for his size and a mean streak to finish off blocks. He projects as a late-first or early second-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

:hmmm:

Sam Baker
OT | (6'4", 309, 5.299) | USC
Scouts Grade: 87

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy
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Strengths: Possesses adequate height and size-potential. Feet are his best asset. He displays very good initial quickness as a run blocker and in pass pro. Gets set quickly and stays under control. Can mirror-and-slide with elite pass rushers and rarely gets beat by speed off the edge. His hand placement is outstanding. He shows very good awareness and rarely misses an assignment. Takes good angles as a run blocker and is technically sound in that facet of the game. Also does a good job of mixing in cut blocks to keep defenders off-balance.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk. Has short arms (32.6 inches) and small hands (9.2 inches). Too much of a finesse blocker. Plays with a narrow base and would benefit from added strength in his lower-body. He's not overpowering in the run game and he will struggle at times to generate a new line of scrimmage versus bigger, stronger DE's. He works hard to sustain blocks but he doesn't show enough of a mean-streak at times. Durability is suddenly a concern following arthroscopic surgery to remove loose cartilage in his left knee prior to 2007 spring practice and lingering hamstring injury that cost him playing time as a senior.

Overall: Baker arrived at USC in 2003 and redshirted his first year. He moved from guard to offensive tackle before the 2004 season, and went on to make 39 consecutive starts at left tackle over the next three years (2004-'06). As a senior in 2007, he played 10 games (all starts). He was a first team All-America selection as a junior (2006) and a second-team selection as a senior (2007). He missed three games in his last season because of a left hamstring strain. Baker also suffered a bone chip in his left knee in 2005; played through a left knee sprain in 2006 (which required arthroscopic surgery at the end of the season); and suffered a cracked rib before the 2007 season. Son of AFL commissioner David Baker, Sam Baker enters the NFL draft as a four-year starter from one of the top programs in college football. He possesses good agility for the position and generally will get in position as a run blocker and in pass pro. However, Baker is a bit of a finesse player that lacks explosive power and does not play with consistent leverage. He also has short arms and small hands. Baker struggled to stay healthy as a senior and did not make the necessary improvements as a result. He is no longer expected to be drafted in the first round but he should be off the board by the end of Round 2.

banyon
04-24-2008, 08:04 AM
. Otah is a massive mauler with the size, power and short-area quickness to develop into a good starting right tackle in the NFL, which is why we grade him as a mid-to-late first round prospect..

Uh, yeah that.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2008, 08:35 AM
Uh, yeah that.

My gut says he may slip into the second. :shrug:

Course, my guts been wrong lots of times. Heh.

Extra Point
04-24-2008, 08:40 AM
If Otah unbelievably slides that low, he'd be the pick at #35

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2008, 09:31 AM
If Otah unbelievably slides that low, he'd be the pick at #35

I do think Cherilus and Baker (though maybe a bit high) would be fine here too, unless they decide to wait unil the third round to get a second OLineman...which would be fine by me.

Another defender (CB/DT?) or WR would be fine here....depending on BAA.

Mr. Kotter
04-24-2008, 11:43 AM
The more I dig, I think this pick WILL be something other than OLineman....really good ones are gone; and there seem to be a lot that will still be available in the third round.

I'm thinking WR or CB, right now..... :hmmm:

Count Zarth
10-26-2011, 10:25 PM
If we draft Rachal or Flowers with #35, we might as well start making Jim Jones Kool Aid in 50 gallon drums.

Those would be hideous picks.

PWNED

Bump
10-26-2011, 10:28 PM
PWNED

lol, he mentioned the 2 players that turned out to be the best out of that list, ROFL

-King-
10-26-2011, 10:28 PM
ROFL ROFL I knew as soon as the link was posted in the other thread it would be GoChiefs bumping this thread.

kysirsoze
10-26-2011, 10:35 PM
I nailed it.

Count Zarth
10-26-2011, 10:36 PM
Hamas has to leave Chiefsplanet now.

Chocolate Hog
10-26-2011, 10:46 PM
2008 was such a great draft just look at the running backs.

88TG88
10-26-2011, 10:51 PM
Rachal or Flowers

Yay, me smart

Shogun
10-26-2011, 10:52 PM
If Otah unbelievably slides that low, he'd be the pick at #35

http://static.tumblr.com/nbw2xlv/jtNlqgooa/seinfeld.gif

Direckshun
10-26-2011, 11:16 PM
Rachel's been benched in San Fran.

Just saying.

Bacon Cheeseburger
10-26-2011, 11:21 PM
I nailed it.
Same here. But what's even more impressive is that Pawnmower voted for him two years before he joined.

Pestilence
10-26-2011, 11:28 PM
I said James Hardy. :facepalm:

Is he even in the league?

BigMeatballDave
10-26-2011, 11:52 PM
Same here. But what's even more impressive is that Pawnmower voted for him two years before he joined.

Well, he obviously has his own time machine.

GordonGekko
10-27-2011, 12:29 AM
Hamas has to leave Chiefsplanet now.

Pretty hilarious, especially since the guy seems like one of those types that 'knows he is right'. Just further goes to show that everyone on this board when they are trying to pimp a player, it is all just pure speculation and dogshit and I don't take any of it seriously, or them for that matter.

ChiefsCountry
10-27-2011, 12:39 AM
On draft day I wanted DeSean Jackson or Devin Thomas with that pick.

chiefs1111
10-27-2011, 01:16 AM
I said James Hardy. :facepalm:

Is he even in the league?

No hes not. He had a lot of talent coming out of Indiana. Just got injured early and never recovered.

Marcellus
10-27-2011, 05:50 AM
I think half Flowers votes are from people who weren't members then.

Rams Fan
10-27-2011, 07:42 AM
2008 was such a great draft just look at the running backs.

Look at the WRs, man, look at the WRs.

Rams Fan
10-27-2011, 07:44 AM
Who would you rather have?

Avril(the sack leader from the '08 class) or Flowers?

Frosty
10-27-2011, 07:46 AM
I like how Philfree hedged his bet and just voted for all of them. :)

Rams Fan
10-27-2011, 07:47 AM
LMAO @ Brohm.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2011, 07:50 AM
PWNED

Yup.

It looks like I voted for Otah and Cherilus, who while both good players, are not nearly as good, or valuable, as Flowers.

Rams Fan
10-27-2011, 07:51 AM
Yup.

It looks like I voted for Otah and Cherilus, who while both good players, are not nearly as good, or valuable, as Flowers.

Cherilus sucks, bro.

lcarus
10-27-2011, 07:51 AM
I'm glad I don't know enough about most college players to go out on a limb and make statements about who we should or shouldn't draft. I remember being glad we drafted a corner at that pick though.

philfree
10-27-2011, 07:54 AM
I like how Philfree hedged his bet and just voted for all of them. :)

LOL Yeah I didn't vote till last night either and I only did it because I realized you could vote for every player. Several people voted for multiple players so I figured what the heck:spock:

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2011, 08:07 AM
Cherilus sucks, bro.

Thought he was a decent enough right tackle.

DBOSHO
10-27-2011, 08:32 AM
If we draft Rachal or Flowers with #35, we might as well start making Jim Jones Kool Aid in 50 gallon drums.

Those would be hideous picks.

Uh..

Old Dog
10-27-2011, 08:44 AM
Apparently I really wanted a tackle or QB

whoman69
10-27-2011, 08:48 AM
Looks like philfree voted for everyone. Its like Brett Favre at best buy trying to decide between tv's.

Amnorix
10-27-2011, 08:51 AM
Winner winner chicken dinner.

3 91 Green Bay Packers Finley, JermichaelJermichael Finley TE Texas Big 12

5 164 New Orleans Saints Nicks, CarlCarl Nicks† OT Nebraska Big 12 from New England

(note: got pick from the Pats. Ugh)

Pawnmower
10-27-2011, 10:29 AM
If we draft Rachal or Flowers with #35, we might as well start making Jim Jones Kool Aid in 50 gallon drums.

Those would be hideous picks.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA


LOLOLLLLLLLLLL

Pawnmower
10-27-2011, 10:32 AM
I said James Hardy. :facepalm:

Is he even in the league?

oh shit i just noticed (again? lol) you were in nor cal

Pestilence
10-27-2011, 10:39 AM
The funny thing is that I remember half of the board not wanting Flowers because of the whole money/weed picture that he posted online.

Pestilence
10-27-2011, 10:39 AM
Uh..

Uhhhh.....it's already been mentioned.

Chiefnj2
10-27-2011, 10:49 AM
I wonder why Brohm couldn't make the transition.

BigMeatballDave
10-27-2011, 11:37 AM
I wonder why Brohm couldn't make the transition.

Probably the same reasons why 95% of QBs drafted can't.

BigMeatballDave
10-27-2011, 11:39 AM
The funny thing is that I remember half of the board not wanting Flowers because of the whole money/weed picture that he posted online.

Interesting. Why don't I remember this?

Pestilence
10-27-2011, 11:42 AM
Interesting. Why don't I remember this?

This post has the picture that was posted on his FB page.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4768614&postcount=26

Pawnmower
10-27-2011, 02:24 PM
This post has the picture that was posted on his FB page.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4768614&postcount=26

LOL I never saw that..

hahaha good times

HemiEd
10-27-2011, 02:34 PM
We made the right pick!

Chocolate Hog
10-27-2011, 02:41 PM
The funny thing is that I remember half of the board not wanting Flowers because of the whole money/weed picture that he posted online.

What?


Edit: I see. That's alotta money.

Detoxing
10-27-2011, 02:45 PM
Ahh man. I never voted.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-27-2011, 02:47 PM
Check this out:

My top 31 players:

1. Glenn Dorsey
2. Vernon Gholston
3. Sedrick Ellis
4. Matt Ryan
5. Chris Long
6. Chris Williams
7. Jake Long
8. Keith Rivers
9. Darren McFadden
10. D. Rodgers-Cromartie
11. Leodis McKelvin
12. Rashard Mendenhall
13. Branden Albert
14. Jonathan Stewart
15. Derrick Harvey
16. Jeff Otah
17. Phillip Merling
18. Kenny Phillips
19. James Hardy
20. Jerod Mayo
21. Devin Thomas
22. Mike Jenkins
23. Gosder Cherilus
24. Kentwan Balmer
25. Antoine Cason
26. Quentin Groves
27. Brian Brohm
28. Dan Conner
29. Reggie Smith
30. Felix Jones
31. Curtis Lofton

Meh.

Chocolate Hog
10-27-2011, 02:48 PM
You gotta go Hamas.

Rausch
10-27-2011, 02:50 PM
Ahh man. I never voted.

I didn't either.

But if you go back to the draft thread for that day you'll find the wife promised "things" if we drafted flowers with our 2.

I was highly pimping him at 2. At no point had we ever really taken anyone I wanted at one, and now my guy in the 2nd was sitting there for our 2 pick.

She lost.

I won.

Best...draft...day...ever...