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BigRedChief
04-24-2008, 09:49 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/589398.html

One potential plan to draft a better Chiefs squad



By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Thanks in part to the bounty of picks they received from Minnesota in the Jared Allen trade, the Chiefs are now the players in this weekend’s NFL draft.

They are one of only two teams with two first-round draft picks; and the Chiefs, with the fifth and 17th picks, will have selected twice by the time Dallas makes the first of its two choices.

The Chiefs also have six of the first 82 picks, meaning they could fill most of their remaining lineup holes and recover quickly from their disastrous 2007 season.

But they can do that only by executing a smart strategy. Here is one such plan:

•First round, fifth pick: Boise State offensive tackle Ryan Clady
Now that they’ve traded Jared Allen, the Chiefs have no more pressing need than to fill his considerable hole at defensive end. Virginia’s Chris Long is the most logical choice.

“If they can pick up Chris Long, if he falls to them, that would be an amazing steal,” said Matt Miller, who operates an Internet draft Web site at www.newerascouting.com (http://www.newerascouting.com/). “He has All-Pro potential. He plays very well against the run. He’s a high-character guy. He’s basically Jared Allen without all of the offseason problems.”

The problem with Long is he probably will be gone by the time the Chiefs get their chance. Ohio State’s Vernon Gholston is a possibility, but his addition would give the Chiefs two undersized defensive ends, Tamba Hali being the other.

“I don’t know that Gholston fits with what they’ve got going on,” Miller said. “With Hali on the other side, they need someone who can stand up at the point of attack and stop the run. Their linebackers are athletic guys, not big run stoppers.”
That’s why Clady might make the most sense. He played only three seasons in college, so he will inevitably face a break-in period. But he would be a more logical choice than Virginia’s Branden Albert, who played mostly guard in college.

“If the Chiefs wait until the 17th pick to get a tackle, they could get someone like (Vanderbilt’s) Chris Williams or (Pittsburgh’s) Jeff Otah, but there’s quite a bit of a dropoff there from Clady,” Miller said. “They’re probably better off getting the tackle first.”

•First round, 17th pick: Florida defensive end Derrick Harvey
At 262 pounds, Harvey isn’t much bigger than Gholston. But he could play bigger without losing any of his quickness.

“Derrick Harvey out of Florida in his sophomore year was one of the best defensive ends in the country,” Miller said. “He was just amazing. He’s a good athlete as well, but he’s stronger than Gholston and bigger, so he’s going to hold up better against the run.”

•Second round, 35th pick: Kansas cornerback Aqib Talib
The Chiefs wanted a cornerback early in last year’s draft but moved on to other needs. They can’t afford to make that mistake again. They not only must draft a cornerback early, but they must take one capable of taking the departed Ty Law’s starting spot as well.

There will be cornerbacks available here who would arrive better suited to being an immediate starter. But none would have the long-range potential as Talib.
“Talib’s not that great in (man-to-man) coverage,” Miller said. “He’s had some problems with that. I’m not sure how he would transition to the cover-2 defense that the Chiefs play. But he’s such an
athlete. He can start as a rookie and help on special teams, too.”

•Third round, 66th pick: Tennessee quarterback Erik Ainge
The Chiefs would like a safety net at quarterback in case Brodie Croyle fails. After filling the most pressing of needs, it’s time to get one.
Ainge compares to Croyle in some ways. He doesn’t quite have Croyle’s ability to make all of the throws, but he is bigger and stronger and better suited to handle the rigors of the position.

“Erik Ainge is probably still going to be around at this pick,” Miller said. “He had a very good college career, and a lot of people are overlooking him. With three picks in the third round, it would be smart for the Chiefs to get their quarterback here.”

•Third round, 73rd pick: Kansas State wide receiver Jordy Nelson
Nelson isn’t very fast, but the Chiefs signed Devard Darling to be their speed receiver. Nelson, at 6 feet 2 and 213 pounds, has the size Herm Edwards is looking for at receiver. Edwards likes bigger receivers for their ability to beat the bump off the line of scrimmage and their ability to go up and get balls in a crowd, much as Dwayne Bowe did repeatedly last season.

Nelson also has the bonus of being able to step in as the kickoff and punt returner.
“There are a lot of receivers in the third round who can step in and be starters right away,” Miller said. “Andre Caldwell of Florida. Keenan Burton of Kentucky. Donnie Avery from Houston. If they can find any of those guys at 73, they would make a good choice.

“But I think Jordy Nelson makes the most sense. He would be hard to pass over if he’s still on the board. He’s one of those guys who loves to play football. You can tell by watching him. Nelson would be a true No. 2 receiver, which is something the Chiefs need. A lot of these other guys are probably going to project as slot receivers.”

•Third round, 82nd pick: USC guard Drew Radovich
Having been a starter in a premier college program, Radovich could be the starting right guard on opening day.
That would give the Chiefs a starting line of Clady at left tackle, Damion McIntosh at right tackle, Radovich and Brian Waters at guard, and Wade Smith or Rudy Niswanger at center
.
Maybe not the same as when the Chiefs used three Pro Bowlers on their line, but a vast improvement over last season and possessing the ability to get better as the season goes on.

BigRedChief
04-24-2008, 09:51 AM
Pathetic. Clady at #5? Ainge at that spot? Jordy and Talib will be gone way before this pick in his plan.

cdcox
04-24-2008, 09:54 AM
Worst picks ever. Looks about right.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 09:55 AM
Leave it to Teicher to print the worst possible mock for the Chiefs.

A reach @ 5.

Bitching about taking an undersized DE in Gholston, then does the EXACT same thing in taking HARVEY, who are BOTH the same size as Jared Allen.

Homer pick in the 2nd.

TERRIBLE pick in the 3rd in Ainge. Either take a QB at 5/17/35 or don't bother.

Another great white hope homer pick in Nelson. At least he'll enjoy running circles around Talib in practice.

Radovich is the only decent pick, but Eric Young would look a ton better there.

the Talking Can
04-24-2008, 09:56 AM
that is so ****ing stupid

holy god that sucks penis harder than goatse

Short Leash Hootie
04-24-2008, 09:57 AM
If we take Clady I will be very upset...unless we move down to do it...

Sure-Oz
04-24-2008, 09:57 AM
I will be so pissed if we ****ing reach that high with clady with the defensive prospects available

the Talking Can
04-24-2008, 09:58 AM
that's the kind of terrible, terrible draft you get when you pick for need....

i'd rather have a suspended allen then that nonsense

evolve27
04-24-2008, 09:58 AM
Worse f***ing plan ever.

Molitoth
04-24-2008, 09:59 AM
Horrible mock. Please god do not let this come true!

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-24-2008, 09:59 AM
So Teicher uses some dumb f*ck who has an internet drafting site as his source, when said dumbf*ck obviously doesn't understand how the draft works??

God, what a cabal of f*cktards.

siberian khatru
04-24-2008, 10:03 AM
That is the worst ****ing mock I've ever seen. What an absolute disgrace. Is Teicher just trying to piss everyone off?

Short Leash Hootie
04-24-2008, 10:03 AM
Herm and Carl know they are in deep shit with the fans...they aren't THAT stupid...I am 100% positive we take Long, Ellis, Dorsey, Gholston or move down and take Albert...I really am. You can quote me...they know they can't **** up the #5 with the state of the fan base...

noa
04-24-2008, 10:06 AM
That would sure would be making chicken chit out of chicken salad.

siberian khatru
04-24-2008, 10:06 AM
If the Chiefs drafted like that, I would pick up my computer and throw it through my TV screen, thus ensuring that I could not see or read about the Chiefs ever again.

beach tribe
04-24-2008, 10:06 AM
You have got to be ****ing kidding me.

I can't believe this guy gets paid for this garbage.

Redrum_69
04-24-2008, 10:09 AM
“People aren’t used to this in Kansas City. Get over it! It happens. It’s called life. You can’t think you’re too big that it’s not going to happen to you. It happens to everybody."

El Jefe
04-24-2008, 10:10 AM
I stopped reading after I saw Clady at 5.

BigRedChief
04-24-2008, 10:12 AM
You have got to be ****ing kidding me.

I can't believe this guy gets paid for this garbage.
This is the KC Star's Chiefs "expert"? WTF! ROFL

Chief Wiggum
04-24-2008, 10:14 AM
“Derrick Harvey out of Florida in his sophomore year was one of the best defensive ends in the country,” Miller said. “He was just amazing. He’s a good athlete as well, but he’s stronger than Gholston and bigger, so he’s going to hold up better against the run.”

Yup, this guy is a genius. Gholston had as many reps on the bench at the combine as Long which tied for the most. But Harvey is much stronger. No way Talib makes it that long. Clady is a reach. We'll either go DL/QB at 5, LT at 17 and probably Corner at 35.

I doubt that guy's website gets much traffic...

Direckshun
04-24-2008, 10:14 AM
God, this shit gets me nervous.

Don't **** this up, Herm.

Redrum_69
04-24-2008, 10:14 AM
Edwards is known to be very fond of Fig Newtons, and usually has a package of them close by.

PhillyChiefFan
04-24-2008, 10:14 AM
I will f*cking puke if it goes down like this

Swing and a miss...

Redrum_69
04-24-2008, 10:14 AM
Edwards' favorite movie is The Ten Commandments.

Direckshun
04-24-2008, 10:14 AM
Yup, this guy is a genius. Gholston had as many reps on the bench at the combine as Long which tied for the most. But Harvey is much stronger. No way Talib makes it that long. Clady is a reach. We'll either go DL/QB at 5, LT at 17 and probably Corner at 35.

I doubt that guy's website gets much traffic...
I'm dead serious when I say this, but I've been to about 30 Draft websites this offseason, and I've never heard of newerascouting.com.

beach tribe
04-24-2008, 10:15 AM
This is the KC Star's Chiefs "expert"? WTF! ROFL

Either he's a ****ing retard, or he's not blind to the fact that our front office is full of retards.

The ****ed thing about it is that he will probably end up being right.

Chief Wiggum
04-24-2008, 10:16 AM
Either he's a ****ing retard, or he's not blind to the fact that our front office is full of retards.

The ****ed thing about it is that he will probably end up being right.

Good point. He is either a moron or a complete genious. That's a scary freakin' thought.

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 10:16 AM
God, this shit gets me nervous.

Don't **** this up, Herm.

I trust Mitch Holthus much more than any other so-called Chiefs insider.

He said on NFLN last night that he's expecting Long/Gholston at 5 and targeting Williams at 17.

evolve27
04-24-2008, 10:17 AM
Teicher is clearly wrong far more times than he is fairly wrong, so this gives me hope we don't draft this way.

Direckshun
04-24-2008, 10:18 AM
I trust Mitch Holthus much more than any other so-called Chiefs insider.

He said on NFLN last night that he's expecting Long/Gholston at 5 and targeting Williams at 17.
Dear god, thank you.

BigRedChief
04-24-2008, 10:18 AM
I trust Mitch Holthus much more than any other so-called Chiefs insider.

He said on NFLN last night that he's expecting Long/Gholston at 5 and targeting Williams at 17.
That will work for me. Otah or Clady will be okay if Williams is gone.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2008, 10:19 AM
I absolutely hate Teicher's mock for the Chiefs-this sucks.

Sure-Oz
04-24-2008, 10:20 AM
I trust Mitch Holthus much more than any other so-called Chiefs insider.

He said on NFLN last night that he's expecting Long/Gholston at 5 and targeting Williams at 17.

I like mitch's thinking

markk
04-24-2008, 10:20 AM
i dont want talib under any circumstances. nobody plays corner in the nfl who plays as slow as that guy does

Zouk
04-24-2008, 10:24 AM
I'll interrupt the groupthink for a moment to say that I think these picks are fine. I also think Clady is a bit of a letdown from Long, Gholston, or Ellis, but after that it gets much better. Derrick Harvey will be instant impact. Talib is a great fit for a zone scheme with his excellent ball skills. Jordy Nelson should be a very nice player.

But most importantly I really think people are sleeping on Ainge, who was very productive at a big-time SEC program. I predict he'll be taken higher than the Internet sites are saying. Some highlights from his resume:


He had a passer rating over 100 in every single game in 2007

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161062

• Key statistic: Owns second- and fourth-longest streaks without an interception in Tennessee history, throwing 136 and 116 consecutive passes without a pick.

• College highlights: Set Tennessee single-season record for completions (325) as a senior, breaking previous mark of 287 set by Peyton Manning in 1997. Ranks third in school history with 8,700 career passing yards. Closed career as Outback Bowl MVP, throwing for 365 yards and two TDs in Volunteers' 21-17 victory against Wisconsin.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-04-08-draft-gems_N.htm

OnTheWarpath58
04-24-2008, 10:27 AM
I'll interrupt the groupthink for a moment to say that I think these picks are fine. I also think Clady is a bit of a letdown from Long, Gholston, or Ellis, but after that it gets much better. Derrick Harvey will be instant impact. Talib is a great fit for a zone scheme with his excellent ball skills. Jordy Nelson should be a very nice player.

But most importantly I really think people are sleeping on Ainge, who was very productive at a big-time SEC program. I predict he'll be taken higher than the Internet sites are saying. Some highlights from his resume:


He had a passer rating over 100 in every single game in 2007

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161062

• Key statistic: Owns second- and fourth-longest streaks without an interception in Tennessee history, throwing 136 and 116 consecutive passes without a pick.

• College highlights: Set Tennessee single-season record for completions (325) as a senior, breaking previous mark of 287 set by Peyton Manning in 1997. Ranks third in school history with 8,700 career passing yards. Closed career as Outback Bowl MVP, throwing for 365 yards and two TDs in Volunteers' 21-17 victory against Wisconsin.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-04-08-draft-gems_N.htm

I like Ainge as a QB, but not for us.

You're trading talent for durability.

Either the Chiefs feel they need insurance for Croyle, or they don't.

If they do, waiting this long is pointless, IMO. Waste of a pick that could go to OL, WR, CB....a lot of possibilities in the 3rd.

Zouk
04-24-2008, 10:30 AM
I like Ainge as a QB, but not for us.

You're trading talent for durability.

Either the Chiefs feel they need insurance for Croyle, or they don't.

If they do, waiting this long is pointless, IMO. Waste of a pick that could go to OL, WR, CB....a lot of possibilities in the 3rd.

Just my opinion and I've been wrong before - but I think Ainge is a better player than Croyle. This is consistent with my belief that arm strength is the single most overrated aspect of QB play. On every other measure I think Ainge is superior.

People kill Ainge on lack of mobility but he only took 3 sacks last year even though he threw a lot. Smarts and game sense can overcome a lack of athleticism in moving around the pocket. See Tom Brady.

BigChiefFan
04-24-2008, 10:32 AM
I'll interrupt the groupthink for a moment to say that I think these picks are fine. I also think Clady is a bit of a letdown from Long, Gholston, or Ellis, but after that it gets much better. Derrick Harvey will be instant impact. Talib is a great fit for a zone scheme with his excellent ball skills. Jordy Nelson should be a very nice player.

But most importantly I really think people are sleeping on Ainge, who was very productive at a big-time SEC program. I predict he'll be taken higher than the Internet sites are saying. Some highlights from his resume:


He had a passer rating over 100 in every single game in 2007

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161062

• Key statistic: Owns second- and fourth-longest streaks without an interception in Tennessee history, throwing 136 and 116 consecutive passes without a pick.

• College highlights: Set Tennessee single-season record for completions (325) as a senior, breaking previous mark of 287 set by Peyton Manning in 1997. Ranks third in school history with 8,700 career passing yards. Closed career as Outback Bowl MVP, throwing for 365 yards and two TDs in Volunteers' 21-17 victory against Wisconsin.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-04-08-draft-gems_N.htm
Talib is slow-what a waste of a pick-he's also a dope smoking fool. Jordy Nelson has potential, but not near as much as some of the others-he's 4th round pick at best-he's more of a possession receiver-not somebody who can stretch the field. Clady is a reach. So, yea, this mock sucks shit. If Gretz, I mean Zouk, is backing this-we're in trouble.

beach tribe
04-24-2008, 10:32 AM
I trust Mitch Holthus much more than any other so-called Chiefs insider.

He said on NFLN last night that he's expecting Long/Gholston at 5 and targeting Williams at 17.

How could anyone in their right mind not see this as the light?

Warrior5
04-24-2008, 10:37 AM
I'm almost speechless.

The only explanation I can come up with for Teicher's inane dribble is that the evil mastermind Carl is behind it...

Yeah, a deception plan...that's it. Carl slipped him a few bucks to print this crap to deceive all the other teams into thinking this is the way the Chiefs will roll come Saturday.

That's the ticket...

xbarretx
04-24-2008, 10:38 AM
Pathetic. Clady at #5? Ainge at that spot? Jordy and Talib will be gone way before this pick in his plan.

i liek our 3rd rd pick of Nelson though :clap:

MVChiefFan
04-24-2008, 10:41 AM
I think you definitely wait until #17 to get an OL. I could be wrong but I think there's a small possibility Clady could slip to us there, kind of like Derrick Johnson did. I don't know, I just think we go DL with that first pick.

Fairplay
04-24-2008, 10:50 AM
I can easily see Clady being taken at number 5 by the Chiefs.

Unless Long is there, i would expect him to be the pick.

I don't have a real problem with it.

Lets just say its expected from this organization.

CoMoChief
04-24-2008, 10:50 AM
This team would turn into the Arizona Cardinals for many many many years to come if the draft pans out like that.

IF we draft Clady at 5 I will shoot someone
IF we draft Erik Ainge at all I will shoot someone
I don't think Talib will be in this league for too long. Shit he's slower than Ty Law.
I don't care about Nelson really. I'd rather take Will Franklin or Martin Rucker.

eazyb81
04-24-2008, 10:51 AM
How does this clown keep his f#cking job? He is pure trash.

It's obvious he's done about 10 minutes of research on this year's draft.

Mr. Laz
04-24-2008, 10:51 AM
i'll take harvery at 17 and nelson in the 3rd but the rest of it blows

R&GHomer
04-24-2008, 10:52 AM
Maybe if DV was running the show, but NO ****ing way Herm reaches at 5. IT's Ellis/Dorsey/Gholston/Ryan or Long. This is horse shit. I can't believe he gets paid for this crap

markk
04-24-2008, 10:54 AM
clady isn't the problem, per se. the problem is picking him at 5. we could move down 5 and probably still get him.

what really is infuriating is the thought that the chiefs would pass on some of the other players available there to pick clady at 5. imagine chris long or dorsey or gholston sitting there and we reach for clady? this city would explode.

if all we have to show for this offseason are ryan clady and aqib talib the most overrated player in the draft in years, i'm done. that's it. i am just going to walk around the city randomly beating the feck out of people.

blueballs
04-24-2008, 10:54 AM
When did Nick Athan join the Chief's scouting department

Fairplay
04-24-2008, 11:13 AM
Remember folks Teicher has the inside scoop of Chiefs management team.
Just like Gochiefs.

Like a mole planted from within giving us all the information that other NFL teams would love to find out. Like a spy only hes works for us!

blueballs
04-24-2008, 11:15 AM
this reads just like Athan's mock
the naughty nickie is a two timer

alanm
04-24-2008, 11:31 AM
I stopped reading after I saw Clady at 5.
Smart man. It got worse after that.

Coach
04-24-2008, 11:39 AM
You know what's funny? Most other Columnists have their e-mail address listed, but not Teicher.

Spicy McHaggis
04-24-2008, 12:25 PM
That was pretty bad. And I love the quote he uses in his Talib explanation:

“Talib’s not that great in (man-to-man) coverage,” Miller said. “He’s had some problems with that. I’m not sure how he would transition to the cover-2 defense that the Chiefs play.”

So the Chiefs are going to take a corner that isn't good in man coverage and might not fit the cover-2. Actually that sounds about right for KC's usual 2nd rounder.

Brock
04-24-2008, 12:28 PM
God. Teicher should work for WPI, that's how lousy he is.

TRR
04-24-2008, 12:35 PM
I believe it's a 3 player race between Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, and Matt Ryan. Most likely in that order. One of the three will be gone by the time KC picks. I believe that St. Louis will take Glenn Dorsey, and Atlanta will take Matt Ryan. I don't see the Faiders passing up Derrick McFadden. That leaves us with Chris Long.

I would be happy with any of the Top 3 above, and wouldn't completely melt down with a pick of Ellis or Gholston at #5. I will break a TV on Draft Day if Albert or Clady is drafted at #5.

SithCeNtZ
04-24-2008, 12:41 PM
I'm shocked that the most hate on the Talib pick is coming from KSU/MU fans. Shocked.

Spicy McHaggis
04-24-2008, 12:46 PM
I'm shocked that the most hate on the Talib pick is coming from KSU/MU fans. Shocked.

I'm a die-hard Jayhawk fan and I think the guy is going to have problems with the speed of the NFL. He can be a heck of a playmaker, but he's going to need a lot of safety help on fly routes.

Brock
04-24-2008, 12:46 PM
I'm shocked that the most hate on the Talib pick is coming from KSU/MU fans. Shocked.

Yeah, they were all blathering about how slow he was going to run at the combine, then when he did a lot better than they thought, they switched over to "he plays slow", like that means anything to anyone.

GoHuge
04-24-2008, 02:08 PM
That was stupid in every aspect. He's got us reaching for Clady at #5. Then he thinks Harvey will be there 7-10 spots after everyone else. Most have Talib going 12-24 and only past 20 because of the pot problem. Then the funniest and most ridiculous is thinking Jordy will be there at #73. He's projected to go in the middle of the 2nd. He says Jordy isn't fast, but is able to return punts and kicks :rolleyes:. That's kind of an oxymoron. He ran two kicks back last year. Then he wants the Chiefs go draft another third round project QB!!!! We've already got one of those and our line is so bad nobody knows what he can or can't do.

That is by far the worst peice of work I've seen him do. Maybe he hates the Chiefs and this is his formula for disaster :shrug:

shammus
04-24-2008, 02:46 PM
Meh...it's not just Teicher though that has us taking Clady. Vic Carucci also has us taking him in his latest (and final???) Mock Draft posted 20 minutes ago.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807ef372&template=with-video&confirm=true

the Talking Can
04-24-2008, 02:53 PM
Meh...it's not just Teicher though that has us taking Clady. Vic Carucci also has us taking him in his latest (and final???) Mock Draft posted 20 minutes ago.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807ef372&template=with-video&confirm=true

passing on ellis/gholston/ryan for clady?

insane

beach tribe
04-24-2008, 02:54 PM
passing on ellis/gholston/ for clady?

insane

FYP

shammus
04-24-2008, 03:09 PM
I guess the line of thinking on taking Clady at #5 is that we can turn around and still grab an impact DE at #17 in Derrick Harvey. Problem with this theory is that Harvey is moving up quickly on a lot of people's draft boards and stands a large chance of being gone well before we pick at #17. Then what do we do? The dropoff after Harvey is pretty significant and there wouldn't be a DE (or a DT) we could take at that level without reaching. Then we'd be stuck choosing between a CB, LB, RB, WR or another OT - positions we wouldn't really want to take with the 17th pick.

I'd prefer to see us address the D-line with #5 and then OT at #17. At #17, we'll still have a couple quality OT prospects to choose from from a larger group that includes potentially Clady, Williams, Otah, Cherilus (kinda reaching here), Albert, etc..etc... So wouldn't it make more sense to address the D-line with the #5 pick and then move on to OT knowing we'd have a shot to get impact players AND fill positions of need in both places? We'd also be getting BPA at both positions too which is positive value. At the #5 spot, the BPA's may include a couple D-lineman. In the middle of the 1st round, BPA's include a couple tackles.

keg in kc
04-24-2008, 03:14 PM
CB, LB, RB, WR or another OT - positions we wouldn't really want to take with the 17th pick.It would not shock me at all to see a CB at 17. There's a bunch with first round grades and something tells me we might see one either at that point, or at 35, particularly if there's a run on them after we pick at 5. WR wouldn't shock me either, although I think it's much less likely until later in the draft. Maybe even LB if Rivers is on the board (very unlikely of course...).

BigRedChief
04-24-2008, 04:11 PM
It would not shock me at all to see a CB at 17. There's a bunch with first round grades and something tells me we might see one either at that point, or at 35, particularly if there's a run on them after we pick at 5. WR wouldn't shock me either, although I think it's much less likely until later in the draft. Maybe even LB if Rivers is on the board (very unlikely of course...).
No frigging way we take a CB at #17. There will be a good OT at that pick. Otah, Williams and Clady will not all be gone by #17.