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Count Alex's Losses
04-25-2008, 12:28 AM
Rippin' Carl! Rippin' Herm!

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/590987.html

He dropped himself onto a chair in a crowded sports bar in Atlanta. He was surrounded by the hopeful, mostly family and friends. His father sat to his right, his agent to his left. A cell phone was on the table in front of him.

Ryan Sims wore a black suit with pinstripes on that April morning, when the group gathered to watch the 2002 NFL draft. Sims was a defensive tackle from the University of North Carolina. He was confident that morning he would be a top-10 draft pick. But Sims’ father, Ronnie, had heard bad things about some teams. There were a handful of franchises Ronnie Sims would just as soon pass on his son — even if they had a high pick.


“There are certain teams that you’re hoping don’t draft your kid,” Ronnie Sims says now. “And Kansas City was one of them.”


Ryan Sims’ phone rang. He flipped it open and pressed it to his right ear. One of the teams Ronnie Sims had heard about was on the other line.


Ryan Sims slid on a Chiefs hat and smiled anyway.


•••

The Chiefs need a sure thing. Six years have passed since the Chiefs traded up to grab Sims with the No. 6 overall pick, a mistake that cost the franchise and Sims for years. It is a mistake the Chiefs cannot afford to repeat when this year’s draft starts Saturday.


Whether they like it or not, reminders of Sims — and the pitfalls of repeating such a mistake — will be all around them.


They have the No. 5 overall pick, their highest since taking Sims. But now, the stakes are higher. They have two first-round picks and 13 choices overall. Coach Herm Edwards wants at least five starters out of this year’s crop, and he implied this week that some coaches and executives might not be around to patch the holes if they don’t get it right this time.


The Chiefs drafted Sims in 2002 because they thought he would be a starter for five, maybe 10 years. Instead, the player they thought was the sure thing wound up taking up space on the roster for five seasons. The Chiefs dumped him last year, trading Sims for a seventh-round pick.


“We thought we solved the problems for many years ahead,” says Dick Vermeil, the Chiefs coach in 2002.


The decision produced a residual effect that still reverberates at Arrowhead Stadium and beyond. The Chiefs still have questions at defensive tackle. The selection elicited criticism of Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson’s player evaluation skills. After Sims was traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last year, the Chiefs were responsible for $1 million of Sims’ signing bonus, money spent paying for nothing but a mistake.


Vermeil thought Sims was a “can’t miss.” Now he’s a 27-year-old backup lineman who might have already peaked. He hasn’t started a game since 2005 and has missed 28 games in six seasons because of injuries. It started that day in April 2002, when the wrong team drafted the wrong player.

“It stunted his growth tremendously,” says Ronnie Sims, himself a former pro athlete. “Ryan was glad to be up out of there. He was like, ‘I don’t care what they give me; they can give me a jersey.’ He was just glad he got out of Kansas City.”


•••

A year after they selected Sims, the Chiefs drafted another defensive tackle. A year later, they chose another one. And another in 2007.
In three of five drafts since 2002, the Chiefs have spent at least one selection trying to make up for the Ryan Sims mistake. Peterson says the financial burdens are stiff for a draft-day bust, but the worst residual effect of drafting Sims was that the Chiefs paid him $9.75 million in guarantees and received no certainty or longevity at defensive tackle.


“If I could have gone back and taken that pick back and done someone else, I’ve got to say, ‘Absolutely, yes,’ ” Peterson says. “You’ve got to be able to live with that decision for some time.”


Drafting Sims came down to hearsay and a scouting breakdown. Sims played alongside Julius Peppers at North Carolina and was strong and quick — with 11 sacks his final two years. John Bunting, Sims’ college coach, sold Vermeil that Sims, not Peppers, was the star of the Tar Heels’ line. Some said Sims would be the next Warren Sapp.


“I don’t think there’s any flaws,” Vermeil said of Sims at the time.
The Chiefs had the No. 8 overall pick in 2002. It wasn’t high enough to get their man. Kansas City traded two draft picks to the Dallas Cowboys to move up two spots after Chiefs executives heard the Minnesota Vikings, sitting at No. 7, were going to draft Sims.


By picking Sims, the Chiefs passed on tackles John Henderson (No. 9 overall) and Albert Haynesworth (No. 15), who have combined to play in three Pro Bowls.


Peterson admits it was a mistake to draft Sims — “It was probably a reach,” he says — but says he does not regret passing on Henderson and Haynesworth, who carried character concerns before the 2002 draft.


But Vermeil says it might have been worth taking a chance on one of them. How could it have turned out worse for the Chiefs?


“If there was a mistake made,” Vermeil says, “we’re the ones who made it.”


•••

Two weeks before the 2002 draft, Ronnie Sims began hearing whispers. Agents were calling to warn Ryan Sims that three teams had reputations. The Cincinnati Bengals were cheap, Ronnie Sims was told. The Seattle Seahawks would be a bad fit. The warnings about the Chiefs were simple, Ronnie Sims says: Kansas City’s general manager was Carl Peterson.

Ronnie Sims says he heard Peterson was an unfair negotiator and that he tried to sign high draft picks for less than their value.


But then Ryan Sims’ cell phone rang, and he sat in that sports bar and smiled wide because he was going to play for the Chiefs.


“At the time,” Ronnie Sims says, “the kid was just happy to be drafted.”


Months later, though, the sides reached a financial impasse. Training camp began, and Ryan Sims wasn’t there. Then the preseason games started, and Sims still wasn’t there. More than a month after the preseason began, Sims signed a five-year contract with the Chiefs. What happened between draft day and signing day remains up for debate, and some hard feelings remain.


Peterson says Sims’ agent, Hadley Engelhard, made unrealistic contract demands and was “foolish” to hold Sims out of camp. Peterson says he reminded Engelhard that the longer a player holds out, the more likely he is to be injured when the regular season begins.


“Without question,” Peterson says, “his agent was extremely difficult.”


Ronnie Sims says Peterson was unreasonable and refused to discuss what the Sims side thought was an appropriate deal.

“He was trying to offer No. 8 or 9 pick money,” Ronnie Sims says. “If I’ve got stock worth $20, you’re not going to give me $10 for it.”


Sims signed on Aug. 28, 2002, more than five months after the Chiefs made him their top pick. Sims was overweight, and Vermeil told reporters Sims was unfit to play because he was “fat and out of shape.”

Sims started two games before he dislocated an elbow and missed the rest of the season. Six months after they drafted Sims, the Chiefs already had regrets.

“It’s just like buying a Mercedes with a bad rear end; it doesn’t run real good,” Vermeil says now. “But you’ve spent a lot of money on it.”


The elbow was the first of many injuries to Sims, who Peterson maintains might have avoided such a fate if he had reported to training camp on time. Regardless, Sims’ elbow injury started a chain reaction that led to more injuries, which led to a label that he was unsuited to playing regularly in the NFL.


When Vermeil left the Chiefs after the 2005 season, Herm Edwards took over. Ronnie Sims says Edwards misled Ryan Sims and lied to him about his future in Kansas City. When the topic of Sims was brought up to Edwards last week, the Chiefs coach rolled his eyes and said he would not comment on the former first-round pick.

“I’ll leave that one alone,” Edwards says.


But Ronnie Sims is outspoken about his son’s time here. He says Ryan Sims received substandard coaching, and executives blamed Sims for not being the team’s salvation. Once Ryan Sims was traded, his father says, his play and attitude improved. It took five years, Ronnie Sims says, for his son to settle in at a place and feel wanted — and that place was not Kansas City.

“They would tell you one thing, and then they would go behind your back and tell you something else,” Ronnie Sims says. “I don’t operate like that.

“Trust me, there’s a reason why people want out of Kansas City. It’s got to be Carl, I guess. It’s got to be something. Every guy I know who left Kansas City and was on another team, they’re like, ‘Oh my goodness, I’m glad I got out of Kansas City.’ ”


•••

Peterson sits behind his desk at Arrowhead Stadium and stares at a paper that contains some of Ryan Sims’ statistics.


Peterson leans back and reads aloud the number of starts Sims made for the Chiefs.


“Thirty-six of fifty-nine games,” Peterson says, dropping the paper back on his desk.


He shakes his head and doesn’t say anything for a long time. Then he looks up.


“I can blame it on player personnel,” he says. “I can blame it on coaches. I can blame it on myself.”


Six years after one of the worst draft picks in Chiefs history, there remain as many questions toward future drafts as there is blame for the 2002 draft. As a result of what happened the last time the Chiefs had a top-10 pick, some fans distrust Peterson and the Chiefs’ scouting department.


Peterson hasn’t forgotten what missing on Sims did to the franchise. Few will let him forget it. So all he can do now is sit behind a desk and shake his head at a decision Peterson admits was far from a one-year mistake.

Ronnie Sims says he had his concerns the Chiefs were a bad fit. Looking back, he says, both sides would have been wise to avoid each other.

“What Ryan knows now,” Ronnie Sims says, “he wishes Kansas City hadn’t drafted him. And I’m sure they wish they hadn’t drafted him, too.”

wazu
04-25-2008, 12:34 AM
Oh, F**K HIM! Bloom where you're planted, you spoiled baby.

Sure-Oz
04-25-2008, 12:34 AM
Sims still was a fat lazy POS that was a bust...if he is so great he'll break into that bucs starting lineup.

I do agree that carl is the biggest POS in the NFL or atleast top 5

Tribal Warfare
04-25-2008, 12:36 AM
This is a No Shit captain obvious article

Count Alex's Losses
04-25-2008, 12:36 AM
This is a No Shit captain obvious article

Yeah, but it's funny hearing Ronnie Sims rip the Chiefs.

He and Ryan are bitter as hell. It's funny.

Does Ronnie have an explanation as to why Ryan still sucks?

noa
04-25-2008, 12:37 AM
Yeah, if only Sims had been drafted by someone else, he would have been a superstar!

JBucc
04-25-2008, 12:38 AM
If only Carl wasn't cheap, then Ryan would have been all pro! Dammit Carl! :cuss:

Sure-Oz
04-25-2008, 12:38 AM
Yeah, but it's funny hearing Ronnie Sims rip the Chiefs.

He and Ryan are bitter as hell. It's funny.

Does Ronnie have an explanation as to why Ryan still sucks?

Amazing how Ronnie Sims even gets a voice, i have never heard his name till today

I'd feel proud my fat pos son earned millions by stuffing his face and having a torn vag....

taught your son not to earn anything and you'll be lucky when a dumbass comes your way and hands you a ton of $$$

wazu
04-25-2008, 12:38 AM
Sims was a 1st rounder, Allen was a 4th rounder. Which one made the best of their situation? Which one is now the highest paid defensive player in NFL history? Which one showed up to camp looking like Fat Albert?

Carl is horrible for many reasons, but Sims has nobody to blame but himself for his pathetic, pathetic, washout.

Sure-Oz
04-25-2008, 12:40 AM
Sims was a 1st rounder, Allen was a 4th rounder. Which one made the best of their situation? Which one is now the highest paid defensive player in NFL history? Which one showed up to camp looking like Fat Albert?

Carl is horrible for many reasons, but Sims has nobody to blame but himself for his pathetic, pathetic, washout.

I don't feel sorry for them, the guy is rich and didn't do jack shit

Count Alex's Losses
04-25-2008, 12:43 AM
I wonder if Kent Babb will get some backlash over this. The last time someone insinuated Herm was a liar Herm got right in the guy's face. It was some radio dude.

Mecca
04-25-2008, 12:45 AM
Sims was a 1st rounder, Allen was a 4th rounder. Which one made the best of their situation? Which one is now the highest paid defensive player in NFL history? Which one showed up to camp looking like Fat Albert?

Carl is horrible for many reasons, but Sims has nobody to blame but himself for his pathetic, pathetic, washout.

Ok in fairness here signing the 6th pick and a 4th round pick are totally different. If Carl really was lowballing him he shouldn't have signed, you don't take less than you should get just to be on time, that's on the team for lowballing offers.

Extra Point
04-25-2008, 12:46 AM
Daddy wants money for his seed. Daddy, Daddy, Daddy! Blah, f'in Blah, f'in Blah!!!!!!

Thankless bitches, we're glad you're gone!

wazu
04-25-2008, 12:48 AM
Ok in fairness here signing the 6th pick and a 4th round pick are totally different. If Carl really was lowballing him he shouldn't have signed, you don't take less than you should get just to be on time, that's on the team for lowballing offers.

Eh, he could have signed for a little less than what he and his agent considered "market value" and still been an instant millionaire. He also could have worked out and been in playing shape when he showed up to camp. He's a perfect example of a guy who clearly felt he had "made it" the second his name was called in the draft. Game over, he wins. Actually becoming a great NFL player was something that would just be handed to him on a silver platter, along with more money. What a life.

Stinger
04-25-2008, 12:49 AM
Say what you want about Sims, but in his defense he did have more interceptions than Bartee :cuss: :banghead:

DJJasonp
04-25-2008, 12:51 AM
i love when "professionals" lack a sense of accountability and blame their lack of a "professional" performance on someone other than themselves.

These POS bastards.....have had their asses kissed since they were in high school when some recruiter convinced the kid and their mom and dad that the sun rose and set in their son's ass.....

And when the cold reality of a talent that was born primarily under the shadows of Julius Peppers rears its ugly head in the form of a wasted 1st round draft pick......the individual (and their head-in-the-sand parents) resort to blaming the organization that drafted him.

FU Sims.....look in the mirror (and in the film room)....you stink....you're not an NFL-caliber player....any paycheck you receive...and any NFLPA check you receive....make sure you send 20% of it each month to Julius Peppers you sorry POS.

wazu
04-25-2008, 12:53 AM
i love when "professionals" lack a sense of accountability and blame their lack of a "professional" performance on someone other than themselves.

These POS bastards.....have had their asses kissed since they were in high school when some recruiter convinced the kid and their mom and dad that the sun rose and set in their son's ass.....

And when the cold reality of a talent that was born primarily under the shadows of Julius Peppers rears its ugly head in the form of a wasted 1st round draft pick......the individual (and their head-in-the-sand parents) resort to blaming the organization that drafted him.

FU Sims.....look in the mirror (and in the film room)....you stink....you're not an NFL-caliber player....any paycheck you receive...and any NFLPA check you receive....make sure you send 20% of it each month to Julius Peppers you sorry POS.

Home run.

Mecca
04-25-2008, 12:54 AM
Eh, he could have signed for a little less than what he and his agent considered "market value" and still been an instant millionaire. He also could have worked out and been in playing shape when he showed up to camp. He's a perfect example of a guy who clearly felt he had "made it" the second his name was called in the draft. Game over, he wins. Actually becoming a great NFL player was something that would just be handed to him on a silver platter, along with more money. What a life.

Considering how many players the Chiefs have holdout they have to be doing something he isn't the only one...happens basically every year.

The only part I will agree with is I think the Chiefs had and still have substandard DL coaching.

Count Alex's Losses
04-25-2008, 12:56 AM
Considering how many players the Chiefs have holdout they have to be doing something he isn't the only one...happens basically every year.

The only part I will agree with is I think the Chiefs had and still have substandard DL coaching.

You should really come to camp. Yes, Krumrie yells a lot. But he also does a lot of teaching.

Mecca
04-25-2008, 12:57 AM
You should really come to camp. Yes, Krumrie yells a lot. But he also does a lot of teaching.

He really needs to stop doing his bitch slap test.....

I'm just going on players he "liked" here and in Buffalo and what he worked with and what became of them, I'm not overly impressed honestly.

Count Alex's Losses
04-25-2008, 12:58 AM
I'm just going on players he "liked" here and in Buffalo and what he worked with and what became of them, I'm not overly impressed honestly.

Well if Tank and Turk bust you might have a point. But Schobel turned out pretty good...

Mecca
04-25-2008, 12:59 AM
He got Buffalo to draft Tim Anderson in the 3rd because he was good at his slap fight....

How about guys like Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denny? Schobel is the only DL in Buffalo under him that was any good.

wazu
04-25-2008, 01:00 AM
Considering how many players the Chiefs have holdout they have to be doing something he isn't the only one...happens basically every year.

The only part I will agree with is I think the Chiefs had and still have substandard DL coaching.

Carl pisses me off regularly with his arrogance and inability to get players in camp, so I'll agree with the frustration at the trend.

As far as coaching is concerned, Jared Allen seemed to do okay with the DL coaching he received.

Mecca
04-25-2008, 01:02 AM
Some players transcend bad coaching but honestly when you have a ton of young guys and high picks and very few of them working out there's something deeper there.

keg in kc
04-25-2008, 01:04 AM
Does Ronnie have an explanation as to why Ryan still sucks?The Chiefs ruined him.

He could've been a contender!

ChiefsFanatic
04-25-2008, 01:05 AM
You should really come to camp. Yes, Krumrie yells a lot. But he also does a lot of teaching.

Maybe he should do some coaching. You can tell someone about things, and that is teaching, or you could show them and train them how to do things, and that is coaching.

I have never been to camp, though, so I am just posting out of my ass.

ChiefsCountry
04-25-2008, 01:08 AM
He got Buffalo to draft Tim Anderson in the 3rd because he was good at his slap fight....

How about guys like Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denny? Schobel is the only DL in Buffalo under him that was any good.

Pat Williams had his best years under him statistically.

Mecca
04-25-2008, 01:11 AM
Pat Williams had his best years under him statistically.

He was good long before Krumrie ever got there though...

stlchiefs
04-25-2008, 01:15 AM
Weak article. I'm not quite sure how this is the Star ripping Carl and Herm, more like a fat POS's daddy airing his sour grapes. "My fat boy's better than he plays, it's everyone else's fault". Does a holdout explain 6 seasons of underachieving play? Does Sims playing in KC affect the fact that he still can't crack a starting roster? Did the fact he was holding out affect his ability to get his fat azz in shape? BS, I dislike Carl as much as the rest of them but this woe is me article wreaks of chit.

Frosty
04-25-2008, 01:17 AM
We heard the same stuff about bad coaching from Eddie Freeman. The problem, though, is these guys don't do anything when they get to other teams with presumably better coaching. Are they somehow ruined for life by the Chiefs' coaches?

I find it easier to believe that Sims, Freeman, Downing, et al. just plain sucked.

Valiant
04-25-2008, 01:28 AM
Wow Sims is a bitch.. He needed the Chiefs to motivate him to not be a fat lazy ****?? Glad his daddy is telling everybody how much better off he is.. Oh wait he isnt doing anything worth a damn there either.. The stupid **** has a 10cent heart to go with what talent he had..

BigRock
04-25-2008, 02:05 AM
“If I’ve got stock worth $20, you’re not going to give me $10 for it.”
$20 is exactly what your sorry POS son is worth, Ronnie. How's it feel knowing that the NFL would be better off if you'd pulled out and aimed for your wife's chest?

Fruit Ninja
04-25-2008, 03:19 AM
His whole point was to rip on Carl and to show how bad the former players just want the **** away from CP. He's been bad for this team for quite a few years now.

Guru
04-25-2008, 03:21 AM
The fans want the **** away from CP as well.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-25-2008, 03:53 AM
Ryan Sims can die in a fire and I'll laugh as a I go to the port-a-john to piss instead of putting it out.

Seriously, you were the #6 pick in the draft. Brady Quinn held out last year, so did Larry Johnson. And where did we see them on tape? Working their ass off at a training facility. That fat f*ck did nothing but lodge 800 bear claws down his gullet and then piss and moan like some jilted bitch whenever a microphone was put in his face.

Ronnie Sims shows that the apple didn't fall too far from the tree. You want pity for something that you could have earned but didn't have the gumption to try for. Like Gomer Pyle trying to climb the obstacle you quit.

Well then quick you slimy walrus-looking piece of shit. Get the **** off of our football field. Get the **** out of our city. We should rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world.

Ultra Peanut
04-25-2008, 04:13 AM
**** Carl and **** Sims and **** Sims' daddy and **** 'em all so very very much.

mikey23545
04-25-2008, 04:18 AM
Holy shit, this article makes it plain to see where Ryan Sims' complete lack of backbone and human worth comes from. Ronnie "Entitlement" Sims raised a helluva boy.

Chief3188
04-25-2008, 04:57 AM
Yeah sure thing there Ronnie. I wonder what Ronnie will have to say about his tub of lard son after the Bucs cut him and he is left roaming the highways of Florida with a sign that reads "Will tackle for twinkies"

Guru
04-25-2008, 05:00 AM
Yeah sure thing there Ronnie. I wonder what Ronnie will have to say about his tub of lard son after the Bucs cut him and he is left roaming the highways of Florida with a sign that reads "Will tackle for twinkies"
I like him already. Great first post.

Chief3188
04-25-2008, 05:01 AM
Some players transcend bad coaching but honestly when you have a ton of young guys and high picks and very few of them working out there's something deeper there.

Not really. DT is just a risky position to draft. Check out lists of other teams busts and their percentages of DT's.

Our DL coaching is just fine.

Chief3188
04-25-2008, 05:03 AM
He was good long before Krumrie ever got there though...

Krumrie was a pretty good player in his own right and I imagine he knows how to coach the line. I guarantee he knows more than the fans do.

BigRedChief
04-25-2008, 05:25 AM
The fans want the **** away from CP as well.
Here. Here. Sims might be a lazy , fat POS but King Carl and his minions deserve the majority of th blame for this pick.

Otter
04-25-2008, 05:47 AM
Carl Peterson: not knowing when to call it quits since 1999.

Seriously Carl, go away, it's embarrassing.

Deberg_1990
04-25-2008, 06:00 AM
Whats he complaining about?? The Chiefs made Sims a VERY rich man.

markk
04-25-2008, 06:19 AM
i guess we know where Sims got his terrible attitude from.

but that being said... is he wrong? is Carl a joke? have our coaching staffs been a joke for all this time? sure they have. not that it should take the blame for sims holding out or having zero work ethic. but it's not like he is telling us something we don't know

BigRedChief
04-25-2008, 06:30 AM
From 1998-2002 we got Hall and Wesley out of the drafts. Having a monkey throw darts at the board would have had more success.

This is the reason we are in this predictament now.
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mikey23545
04-25-2008, 06:34 AM
Krumrie was a pretty good player in his own right and I imagine he knows how to coach the line. <b>I guarantee he knows more than the fans do.</b>

You don't understand...You're talking about THE MECCA...

Welcome, my observant friend. Here's some positive rep to start your posting career...

The Bad Guy
04-25-2008, 06:43 AM
It's hilarious when you are a 27 year old man, your father will defend you in the newspapers like this is pee wee football.

Maybe Ronnie Sims should have raised a child that worked hard all the time, and not just when he was playing for his meal money like in his senior year.

Carl shouldn't have listened to Bunting, or Vermeil.

But you can see where Sims garbage attitude starts - with his MacCauly Culkin's father-esque dad.

The Bad Guy
04-25-2008, 06:45 AM
Not really. DT is just a risky position to draft. Check out lists of other teams busts and their percentages of DT's.

Our DL coaching is just fine.

The Chiefs DL coaches have been terrible, sans Krumrie.

Hairston and Karm were jokes.

Tuckdaddy
04-25-2008, 06:54 AM
Sims is a crappy player, end of story. We fugged up drafting him but it's not the Kings fault he sucks at his position. He benefited alot from Peppers. So much he looked good in college.

Fugg their sour grape asses. Ronnie wants to blame someone for his boy sucking as an NFL player. If Carl was the problem why is he not a starter now?

Otter
04-25-2008, 07:06 AM
Not really. DT is just a risky position to draft. Check out lists of other teams busts and their percentages of DT's.

Our DL coaching is just fine.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

siberian khatru
04-25-2008, 07:27 AM
It's too bad I'm late to this thread, and I haven't even read all the responses yet, so forgive me if I repeat when I say:

**** YOU, SIMS. **** OFF AND DIE.

What a piece of shit. Carl's a piece of shit, too, but Sims is even lower, if that's possible.

markk
04-25-2008, 07:59 AM
carl's a piece of sh*t, but sims is what it would be if that piece of sh*t ate a piece of sh*t and then sh*t it out.

Dartgod
04-25-2008, 08:02 AM
It's too bad I'm late to this thread, and I haven't even read all the responses yet, so forgive me if I repeat when I say:

**** YOU, SIMS. **** OFF AND DIE.

What a piece of shit. Carl's a piece of shit, too, but Sims is even lower, if that's possible.
RE POST!

Braincase
04-25-2008, 08:11 AM
Sims and Siavii taught us important lessons. You draft "The Man", not the assclown that looked good playing next to "The Man". How sweet would it have been for the Chiefs to land Julius Peppers and Igor Olshansky instead of Softserve & Spithood?

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 08:13 AM
Sims was a reach, a huge reach thanks to DV suppporting his Buddy at UNC... So we all know Sims turned out as a bust. BFD, every team has a bust....

The more telling part is how people, players, fans, players, agents, players and just about everybody else is fed up with Carl... Actually to have a person rip the head and face of the Chiefs in the media like that is rather embarrasing as a fan regardelss of his sons ability to live up to the #6 pick.

suds79
04-25-2008, 08:15 AM
I'm not defending Carl by any means because I can't wait until the guy is gone but reading this just makes me want to say to Ronnie Sims STFD & STFU.

Talk about sour grapes. Your son was just a no talent p#$$ie. Case closed.

Chiefnj2
04-25-2008, 08:27 AM
"Once Ryan Sims was traded, his father says, his play and attitude improved. It took five years, Ronnie Sims says, for his son to settle in at a place and feel wanted — and that place was not Kansas City."

I must have missed all those Buc highlights of Sims tearing it apart down in Florida.

DaKCMan AP
04-25-2008, 08:34 AM
"Once Ryan Sims was traded, his father says, his play and attitude improved. It took five years, Ronnie Sims says, for his son to settle in at a place and feel wanted — and that place was not Kansas City."

I must have missed all those Buc highlights of Sims tearing it apart down in Florida.

You weren't impressed with his 16 tackles and 1 sack?

Chiefnj2
04-25-2008, 08:35 AM
Here is the head scratcher -

"Peterson admits it was a mistake to draft Sims — “It was probably a reach,” he says — but says he does not regret passing on Henderson and Haynesworth, who carried character concerns before the 2002 draft."

Peterson doesn't regret not taking Henderson??? WTF?

eazyb81
04-25-2008, 08:42 AM
Here is the head scratcher -

"Peterson admits it was a mistake to draft Sims — “It was probably a reach,” he says — but says he does not regret passing on Henderson and Haynesworth, who carried character concerns before the 2002 draft."

Peterson doesn't regret not taking Henderson??? WTF?

He's saying he doesn't regret passing on them because they were too risky for that pick. They both had character issues, and Henderson had some lower back problems that scared many teams off.

Chiefnj2
04-25-2008, 08:52 AM
He's saying he doesn't regret passing on them because they were too risky for that pick. They both had character issues, and Henderson had some lower back problems that scared many teams off.

How could you look back with 20-20 and not say you don't regret it? Henderson hasn't had character issues and his back hasn't been a problem. Haynesworth has had character issues.

TEX
04-25-2008, 08:54 AM
Outstanding - Now I bet it's finally safe to say what some of us said after two years, that Ryan Sims is/was/always will be a TOTAL BUST!

The Chiefs, desperate for DL help, gave Sims EVERY chance to prove himself. All he did was PROVE he couldn't play. The end.

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 08:59 AM
Outstanding - Now I bet it's finally safe to say what some of us said after two years, that Ryan Sims is/was/always will be a TOTAL BUST!

The Chiefs, desperate for DL help, gave Sims EVERY chance to prove himself. All he did was PROVE he couldn't play. The end.
QFT....

And Carl is still a embarrasement to the city of KC, the Chiefs and its loyal fanbase...

Regardless if the Sims are being portrayed as whiney bitches, Carl is a F*ck tool plain and simple....

eazyb81
04-25-2008, 08:59 AM
How could you look back with 20-20 and not say you don't regret it? Henderson hasn't had character issues and his back hasn't been a problem. Haynesworth has had character issues.

Because with the info you had at the time, you couldn't take him that high. Most had Henderson as the 4th DT on the board by the time the draft rolled around because of some really poor workouts.

I guess hindsight is 20/20, and I see what you're saying because Henderson has been a beast (I wanted us to draft him that year), but there were major concerns with him, especially at #6 overall.

StcChief
04-25-2008, 09:00 AM
From 1998-2002 we got Hall and Wesley out of the drafts. Having a monkey throw darts at the board would have had more success.

This is the reason we are in this predictament now.
<!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_1165720-->exactly.... the busts year in and year out killed this team.

we need all 13 picks and better have 50% fit factor, next year 10 picks need 50% again.

that happens I'll think Krumrie,Herm, and Bill have earned some respect,

we really won't know about 1/3 of the picks until 2010-2012....

alpha_omega
04-25-2008, 09:14 AM
Ronnie who???

Sanka
04-25-2008, 09:15 AM
Why is Ryan Sims even relevant? I personally want to forget about the horror that was the Ryan Sims experiment, and to be honest till this article I totally forgot about the fat shit.

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 09:15 AM
Carl who???

FYP

Thats more like it...

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 09:16 AM
Why is Ryan Sims even relevant? I personally want to forget about the horror that was the Ryan Sims experiment, and to be honest till this article I totally forgot about the fat shit.
Because Carl is still the GM and people are still paying Carl and the Chiefs....

Why is Carl even relevant?

Baby Lee
04-25-2008, 09:18 AM
But Ronnie Sims is outspoken about his son’s time here. He says Ryan Sims received substandard coaching
Geez, if only he had the same coaches Jared All . . . . Oh wait!!

Sanka
04-25-2008, 09:23 AM
Because Carl is still the GM and people are still paying Carl and the Chiefs....

Why is Carl even relevant?

Good question. I don't know the answer. They both suck if you ask me though.

PastorMikH
04-25-2008, 09:42 AM
I see where Sims got his bad attitude. I wonder if Daddy Ronnie is a lazy panzy that would let a sore toe keep him from work too?

PastorMikH
04-25-2008, 09:50 AM
FWIW, Carl has had 3 top 10 picks, and though he may have stunk on the last one, the first two were great picks. Also, I tend to think part of the problem with Sims was DV and his staff. They couldn't pick a D-player for squat. If Allen hadn't been a long-snapper prospect they probably would have blown that one too.

StcChief
04-25-2008, 09:54 AM
FWIW, Carl has had 3 top 10 picks, and though he may have stunk on the last one, the first two were great picks. Also, I tend to think part of the problem with Sims was DV and his staff. They couldn't pick a D-player for squat. If Allen hadn't been a long-snapper prospect they probably would have blown that one too.
Rep. the long snapper part is probably true, they didn't find a diamond in the rough as #4 pick, they were getting an insurance policy for aging Kendall Gammons.

vailpass
04-25-2008, 10:04 AM
There are going to be some nervous top draft picks when it comes time for the the KC pick.

Long: "God please don't let my phone ring"
Gholston: "Please, please don't pick me"
Ryan: "If I don't answer the phone will they pick someone else?"

siberian khatru
04-25-2008, 10:08 AM
FWIW, Carl has had 3 top 10 picks, and though he may have stunk on the last one, the first two were great picks. Also, I tend to think part of the problem with Sims was DV and his staff. They couldn't pick a D-player for squat. If Allen hadn't been a long-snapper prospect they probably would have blown that one too.

Maybe I'm zoning out, but who was the third top-10 pick beyond DT and Sims?

brent102fire
04-25-2008, 10:08 AM
If Ryan Sims is so good, he should have broken into the starting lineup in TB last year...:hmmm:

cdcox
04-25-2008, 10:10 AM
I thought is was a good article. Plenty of blame to go around with both the Chiefs and Sims.

If you put all the responsibility on the player, then why do you even need coaches? The job of the Chiefs was to get the best play possible out of Sims. That entails recognizing his strengths and weaknesses, his personality quirks, etc., and then doing what ever necessary to maximize his potential. The Chiefs failed as an organization in that regard.

StcChief
04-25-2008, 10:12 AM
There are going to be some nervous top draft picks when it comes time for the the KC pick.

Long: "God please don't let my phone ring"
Gholston: "Please, please don't pick me"
Ryan: "If I don't answer the phone will they pick someone else?"
yeah as if Dungver is in great shape :rolleyes:

vailpass
04-25-2008, 10:17 AM
yeah as if Dungver is in great shape :rolleyes:

In a recent poll 100 out of 100 NFL players stated they would rather play for Denver than KC under Carl Peterson.

In what was perhaps an even more telling result, in the same survey a control group of NFL players unanimously stated they would rather have a rusty nail driven through the tip of their cock than play for Carl Peterson.

stlchiefs
04-25-2008, 10:18 AM
I thought is was a good article. Plenty of blame to go around with both the Chiefs and Sims.

If you put all the responsibility on the player, then why do you even need coaches? The job of the Chiefs was to get the best play possible out of Sims. That entails recognizing his strengths and weaknesses, his personality quirks, etc., and then doing what ever necessary to maximize his potential. The Chiefs failed as an organization in that regard.

So it doesn't matter that another team hasn't been able to get anything out of the guy either?

Here's a Good breakdown of Sim's for you, I'm sure it's similar to what KC came up with:
Strengths: double fisting bearclaws, slurping twinkie filling like a Hoover
Weaknesses: sweets, working out, running, effort
Personality Quirks: has a sweet tooth, loves to eat, hates to work, blames others for his failures, vagina toe

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 10:18 AM
In a recent poll 100 out of 100 NFL players stated they would rather play for Denver than KC under Carl Peterson.

In what was perhaps an even more telling result, in the same survey a control group of NFL players unanimously stated they would rather have a rusty nail driven through the tip of their cock than play for Carl Peterson.

QFT....

VP nails it on the head...

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 10:20 AM
So it doesn't matter that another team hasn't been able to get anything out of the guy either?

Here's a Good breakdown of Sim's for you, I'm sure it's similar to what KC came up with:
Strengths: double fisting bearclaws, slurping twinkie filling like a Hoover
Weaknesses: sweets, working out, running, effort
Personality Quirks: has a sweet tooth, loves to eat, hates to work, blames others for his failures, vagina toe
So your saying that it was all Ryan Sims....

Nothing to do with our Coaching staffs? GM? etc?

Homer glasses removed, There is plenty of blame for both sides. Our organization cant develop talent, and the talent they chose, cant be developed...

Cant fault Sims for everything...

Frazod
04-25-2008, 10:20 AM
Carl v. Sims is sort of like the Battle of Stalingrad - there are no good guys.

One gone.

Hopefully the other one will be gone this time next year.

And perhaps they'll slowly roast on the same spit in hell together. 4321

Rain Man
04-25-2008, 10:23 AM
I wonder if our pick will just let the call go into voice mail.

Baby Lee
04-25-2008, 10:27 AM
Maybe I'm zoning out, but who was the third top-10 pick beyond DT and Sims?

Closest would be Gonzo [and Percy Snow] at 13. Then there was Tait at 14. Carl wasn't here for Neil Smith at 2.

Frazod
04-25-2008, 10:31 AM
Closest would be Gonzo at 13. Carl wasn't here for Neil Smith.

We got Morris at 12, IIRC. Another massive bust. :banghead:

BigChiefFan
04-25-2008, 10:33 AM
I undertsand the hate on Peterson-he's a butthole, but Ronnie Sims sounds like sour grapes-I'm sure Carl did low-ball them, but Sims did get paid and then he still stunk. Mr. Twinkies needs to STFU-he's a BUST.

Frosty
04-25-2008, 10:41 AM
We got Morris at 12, IIRC. Another massive bust. :banghead:

Close, Mr. Dyslexia - it was 21.

Frazod
04-25-2008, 10:42 AM
Close, Mr. Dyslexia - it was 21.

At least I got the digits right. :doh!:

Rain Man
04-25-2008, 10:44 AM
Remember that Sims' defensive coordinator was Greg Robinson. He did indeed have horrible coaching. Robinson played a defensive scheme where linemen were not allowed to penetrate. They were supposed to wait and let the runners and blockers come to them. Sims did get his first career interception under the Spinner defense, though.

In my opinion, the blame goes first to Greg Robinson and next to Carl Peterson. They shouldn't have been investing high draft picks on guys whose jobs were to stand there and try not to get run over.

God almighty, I hate Greg Robinson.

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 10:47 AM
I undertsand the hate on Peterson-he's a butthole, but Ronnie Sims sounds like sour grapes-I'm sure Carl did low-ball them, but Sims did get paid and then he still stunk. Mr. Twinkies needs to STFU-he's a BUST.
Sims got 5 years to prove he was a BUST...

Carl has had 19 to prove his is a bust and still a bust as a GM, yet the lemmings are linning up to fill his pockets every sunday...

Good thing none of them drink and drive after the game.. You know Carl doesnt approve of such activites...

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 10:49 AM
God almighty, I hate Greg Robinson.
He was the sole reason KC failed under DV...

The DV built Chiefs were designed for about a 3-4 year serious run at a Superbowl.... GROB took that away from us...

cdcox
04-25-2008, 10:53 AM
So it doesn't matter that another team hasn't been able to get anything out of the guy either?

In Tampa he's been exactly what you would expect from a 1st round pick that never developed. You develop a guy during his first few years. That opportunity closes as bad habits become ingrained, the body ages, injuries accumulate etc. Under the right circumstances, I think a motivated Sims could have developed.

Circumstances fall on the Chiefs. Lack of motivation is half Sims, half Chiefs.


Here's a Good breakdown of Sim's for you, I'm sure it's similar to what KC came up with:
Strengths: double fisting bearclaws, slurping twinkie filling like a Hoover
Weaknesses: sweets, working out, running, effort
Personality Quirks: has a sweet tooth, loves to eat, hates to work, blames others for his failures, vagina toe

We drafted him. So if that is the breakdown, it is all on KC.

MTG#10
04-25-2008, 11:18 AM
Im never one to defend CP, I cant stand the prick but Sims' dad blaming Sims poor play on CP and the Chiefs? ROFL He's only 27 so if its our fault he should be hitting his prime and a beast for TB.

HemiEd
04-25-2008, 11:33 AM
Holy shit, this article makes it plain to see where Ryan Sims' complete lack of backbone and human worth comes from. Ronnie "Entitlement" Sims raised a helluva boy.

yeah, it cleared up some things.

COchief
04-25-2008, 01:52 PM
In a recent poll 100 out of 100 NFL players stated they would rather play for Denver than KC under Carl Peterson.

This may be true for Shanny vs Carl, but players have become increasingly vocal in ripping the Rat and his BS tactics in recent years.

I'd put Denver in the top five of the shitlist teams according to what past players have to say. Your organization ain't no New England there buddy.

PastorMikH
04-25-2008, 01:52 PM
Closest would be Gonzo [and Percy Snow] at 13. Then there was Tait at 14. Carl wasn't here for Neil Smith at 2.


My bad, I was counting Neil Smith.


Crap!!! Carl's only 50-50!


:banghead::banghead:

PastorMikH
04-25-2008, 01:55 PM
There are going to be some nervous top draft picks when it comes time for the the KC pick.

Long: "God please don't let my phone ring"
Gholston: "Please, please don't pick me"
Ryan: "If I don't answer the phone will they pick someone else?"




If Sims' old man was that upset the Chiefs picked his kid, can you imagine how upset Howie will be if his kid falls to the Chiefs? Howie was a Raider back when they and the Chiefs still hated each other.


:)

Friendo
04-25-2008, 01:58 PM
yeah, it cleared up some things.

yup--next time, check with the neighbors down da skreet!

vailpass
04-25-2008, 01:59 PM
If Sims' old man was that upset the Chiefs picked his kid, can you imagine how upset Howie will be if his kid falls to the Chiefs? Howie was a Raider back when they and the Chiefs still hated each other.


:)

Yep. I'd love to see the look on Al Davis' face if KC got Long.

vailpass
04-25-2008, 02:00 PM
This may be true for Shanny vs Carl, but players have become increasingly vocal in ripping the Rat and his BS tactics in recent years.

I'd put Denver in the top five of the shitlist teams according to what past players have to say. Your organization ain't no New England there buddy.

Please show me the quotes of the past players you cite in your post as well as any related data you used arrive at your placement.
Please also explain why 100 NFL players would rather have a rusty nail driven through the tip of their penis than play for Carl.

COchief
04-25-2008, 02:04 PM
Please show me the quotes of the past players you cite in your post as well as any related data you used arrive at your placement.
It might also be interesting to see who the other four teams are in the bottom five you cite.

I'm not going to hunt around the internet to dig that up, you know the Rat is wearing out his welcome.

My point was you were over here crowing about our shitstain of a GM when you know damn well your drawers aren't clean either.

Chief Faithful
04-25-2008, 03:46 PM
Remember that Sims' defensive coordinator was Greg Robinson. He did indeed have horrible coaching. Robinson played a defensive scheme where linemen were not allowed to penetrate. They were supposed to wait and let the runners and blockers come to them. Sims did get his first career interception under the Spinner defense, though.

In my opinion, the blame goes first to Greg Robinson and next to Carl Peterson. They shouldn't have been investing high draft picks on guys whose jobs were to stand there and try not to get run over.

God almighty, I hate Greg Robinson.

Robinson was the worst, but you can't blame Robinson when Sims reports to camp over weight and out of shape year after year. Sims was worse at being a professional football player than Robinson was at being a coach.

Short Leash Hootie
04-25-2008, 03:51 PM
dude this is bullshit...

Why would Kansas City be a team you wouldn't want your son to be drafted by? When Sims was drafted, we had just hired a high caliber, Super Bowl winning coach and this franchise hadn't seen consecutive losing seasons in over a decade...

**** that lazy bust...don't take out your frustrations for being one of the worst picks of all time on the organization that was dumb enough to reach for you and pay you to suck for so many years...

vailpass
04-25-2008, 04:27 PM
I'm not going to hunt around the internet to dig that up, you know the Rat is wearing out his welcome.

My point was you were over here crowing about our shitstain of a GM when you know damn well your drawers aren't clean either.

Okay, understood. I thought as much.