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Molitoth
04-25-2008, 09:38 AM
So Sad. 7 Game slide.

jidar
04-25-2008, 09:39 AM
I know.. it's my fault. I started writing the Royals record on my whiteboard at work and updating it daily. Now it's just a sick joke when I do.

Molitoth
04-25-2008, 09:42 AM
I know they are only 3.5 games back and they easily could go on a hot streak, but I'm sick of watching every game already, opponents are scoring way too many points.

Demonpenz
04-25-2008, 09:45 AM
it is pretty much the way I expected. I wouldn't worry about the Wins and Losses but the evaluation and the progress of the players

StcChief
04-25-2008, 09:55 AM
June swoon came early huh.

Sure-Oz
04-25-2008, 10:02 AM
Butler's slugging percentage is sick...just under .400

We need more power out of him, these 1-4 games all singles are killing us...of course no one else is helping anyway

Sanka
04-25-2008, 10:05 AM
To all Royal fans, should I keep Gordon on my fantasy team? He is my back up 1st and 3rd basemen behind Miguel Cabrera and Derek Lee.

Sure-Oz
04-25-2008, 10:06 AM
To all Royal fans, should I keep Gordon on my fantasy team? He is my back up 1st and 3rd basemen behind Miguel Cabrera and Derek Lee.

yeah i would...he has been solid all year, just not getting any RBI opps

How deep is your league though?

Demonpenz
04-25-2008, 10:38 AM
Butler and gordon are like what 22? their major power years are 6 or 7 years away. when they are with the yankees

Chief Chief
04-25-2008, 10:39 AM
They need to keep TJ on the bench until he comes up with a new hitting stance/style/theory which prevents him from overswinging, being late on fastballs, reaching out on unhittable low-and-away pitches, etc.

Hillman said on the radio a few days ago that we were going to see TJ choke up on the bat but I haven't witnessed it yet.

The defense may suffer just a fraction with Callaspo at SS, but it's well worth it if we have a .300 hitter in the 9th spot instead of a .148 whiffer.

kc1977
04-25-2008, 11:36 AM
June swoon came early huh.

Seems more like the April swoon come 2 weeks late.

Molitoth
04-25-2008, 11:45 AM
Butler and gordon are like what 22? their major power years are 6 or 7 years away. when they are with the yankees

HA!

StcChief
04-25-2008, 11:53 AM
Seems more like the April swoon come 2 weeks late. so the Royals 100 loss season is still in the Cards ? :D

alnorth
04-25-2008, 01:58 PM
Listening to that entire doubleheader last night was a horrifying experience which left severe mental scars from which I may never recover from. Therefore, I am on strike from starting game threads until they win at least 2 games in a row.

(Translation: this weekend is the NFL draft and I'm busy next week, so I figure waiting for a 2-game win streak will safely take me well into May when I may have time again)

BigMeatballDave
04-25-2008, 02:39 PM
opponents are scoring way too many points.Points? :spock: No. The Royals are struggling to produce runs.

Demonpenz
04-25-2008, 02:41 PM
If you listened to that radio broadcast there is something wrong with you. The fact that bob davis and denny do the games now sucks. give me ryan spitt or ryan denny is good but man does bob davis sucksssserrs

Reerun_KC
04-25-2008, 02:44 PM
13 to go to keep that yearly slide going....

20 game losing streaks and Royals go together like apple pie and america...

Sure-Oz
04-25-2008, 03:05 PM
If you listened to that radio broadcast there is something wrong with you. The fact that bob davis and denny do the games now sucks. give me ryan spitt or ryan denny is good but man does bob davis sucksssserrs

Last night in the 2nd game they had frank white alternating with ryan and split, it was great to listen to him and his thoughts and play by play.

Sam Hall
04-25-2008, 03:08 PM
Jose Guillen sucks

bastard

KCChiefsMan
04-25-2008, 03:09 PM
it started off so promising too

Demonpenz
04-25-2008, 03:11 PM
I imagine frank white still wants to coach/manage but yeah white and those old guys knew how to get shit done. it is too bad we haven't had people who knew how to WIN in years. those guys knew baseball inside in out and worked their asses off. I guess we also let a shitton of guys go that were good. sigh. Mine as well put anyone who played from 77 until 89 in the royals hall of fame.

Deberg_1990
04-25-2008, 09:26 PM
Royals getting ready to go down again tonight....

4-2 in the Eighth...

BTW, those gameday threads disappeared really fast this year....

Deberg_1990
04-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Holy crap...Hell just froze over. The Royals just came back:


B. Butler singled to left, J. Guillen scored, M. Teahen to third

- R. Gload reached on fielder's choice, M. Teahen scored, B. Butler to second on shortstop D. Eckstein's fielding error

- J. Buck doubled to left, B. Butler scored, R. Gload to third

- D. DeJesus singled to right, R. Gload and J. Buck scored, T. Pena Jr. to third

markk
04-25-2008, 09:42 PM
8-4 now. They shelled Downs, who in my opinion is one of the better situational lefties in the bigs, over the last 2 years or so... underrated

tk13
04-25-2008, 09:43 PM
Walking TPJ to set up the double play was a really dumb move. They're paying hardcore for it now. The offense has finally come alive a little bit.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 09:44 PM
Taking advantage of some lucky breaks is going to get us out of this funk.

markk
04-25-2008, 09:45 PM
Walking TPJ to set up the double play was a really dumb move. They're paying hardcore for it now. The offense has finally come alive a little bit.

i have no idea why you would walk one of the lightest hitters in the major leagues, particularly a guy who is strikeout prone when you have less than 2 out...

SCTrojan
04-25-2008, 09:45 PM
BTW, those gameday threads disappeared really fast this year....

Noticed there wasn't one for today. Maybe that's what was needed since they've scored six this inning so far to take a four-run lead. I think with Gordon batting, they've actually batted around.

VonneMarie
04-25-2008, 09:47 PM
Yay.

tk13
04-25-2008, 09:48 PM
i have no idea why you would walk one of the lightest hitters in the major leagues, particularly a guy who is strikeout prone when you have less than 2 out...
Not to mention, of all Royals hitters, DeJesus is probably one of the last you'd want to face in that situation. Not that he's a superstar, but you'd probably have a chance of striking someone like Gordon or Guillen out, but you knew DeJesus was going to give you a tough AB and put it in play, which he did.

markk
04-25-2008, 09:51 PM
yeah, with pena, they had someone with a good chance of a K or a ground ball/GIDP, and virtually no chance of a walk. but they choose dejesus to face, who as you say will give a quality AB and will lead the team in walks in any given year... hard to figure that one out.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 09:52 PM
Filthy McNasty time!!!!

markk
04-25-2008, 09:52 PM
mariano jr. coming in

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 09:54 PM
I told you guys the Royals would beat my Jays. David Eckstein has to be the worst defensive SS in the league.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 09:55 PM
8-4 now. They shelled Downs, who in my opinion is one of the better situational lefties in the bigs, over the last 2 years or so... underrated
Shelled him? Looked like a horrible error by Eckstein on a DP ball, and then a series of well-placed bloop hits. In any event, Royals>Jays.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 09:55 PM
Gload is such a clutch player.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 09:59 PM
ITS OVER! ROYALS WIN!!!! ROYALS WIN!!!!!

tk13
04-25-2008, 10:00 PM
Good win.

markk
04-25-2008, 10:00 PM
Shelled him? Looked like a horrible error by Eckstein on a DP ball, and then a series of well-placed bloop hits. In any event, Royals>Jays.

some were inherited runners, but i struggle to find any other term of import when you let 6 runs in and don't get anyone out.

SCTrojan
04-25-2008, 10:00 PM
Like that a lot. Wish Zack could have got a win for his effort, but that's the way things go. Soria efficiently finishes off the last inning yet again.

Deberg_1990
04-25-2008, 10:01 PM
Gload is such a clutch player.

"I wish i had 9 more Ross Gloads on my team"

Trey Hillman

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:01 PM
some were inherited runners, but i struggle to find any other term of import when you let 6 runs in and don't get anyone out.
He got a clean double play ball that his SS booted. The inning would have been over. Sorry, but this one is on David Eckstein, not Scott Downs.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:02 PM
Like that a lot. Wish Zack could have got a win for his effort, but that's the way things go. Soria efficiently finishes off the last inning yet again.
Soria reminds me a lot of Mariano Rivera. He's going to be a good reliever in this league for a long time.

markk
04-25-2008, 10:02 PM
He got a clean double play ball that his SS booted. The inning would have been over. Sorry, but this one is on David Eckstein, not Scott Downs.

so, no demerits for not getting any of the next 6 batters or so I guess?

not beating up on him, he's a fine pitcher. perhaps the term was too strong.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:07 PM
"I wish i had 9 more Ross Gloads on my team"

Trey Hillman

The first out of the 9th he bailed out Pena on a very low throw. He is as good of a defensive 1st baseman as there is in baseball today.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:08 PM
so, no demerits for not getting any of the next 6 batters or so I guess?

not beating up on him, he's a fine pitcher. perhaps the term was too strong.
Well considering the inning would have been over had his SS made a simple catch and throw, no, I don't really take too much into that. Especially when you consider not one of the balls was hit hard at all.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:09 PM
Well considering the inning would have been over had his SS made a simple catch and throw, no, I don't really take too much into that. Especially when you consider not one of the balls was hit hard at all.

In all fairness the 1st baseman wiffed on that. It was not that hard of a ball to dig out considering it took a nice big hop. Bad throw yes, but bad defense too.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:11 PM
In all fairness the 1st baseman wiffed on that. It was not that hard of a ball to dig out considering it took a nice big hop. Bad throw yes, but bad defense too.
I'm referring to the play in the 8th inning. When it was 4-3.

Though the one you're referring to was an especially bad play by Eckstein earlier that cost a run.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:11 PM
Grienke and Bannister continue to impress. Meche needs to get his shit together. If he does we can have 3 bad ass starters this year.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:12 PM
I'm referring to the play in the 8th inning. When it was 4-3.

Though the one you're referring to was an especially bad play by Eckstein earlier that cost a run.

He should of turned it yes but I thought the pitcher should of just gone to 1st anyway. It was going to be a really tough DP to turn. In replay maybe not but when I saw the pitcher go to 2nd I was like "yes!" cause I knew the inning would keep going.

Adept Havelock
04-25-2008, 10:13 PM
Grienke and Bannister continue to impress. Meche needs to get his shit together. If he does we can have 3 bad ass starters this year.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I still think Meche will at least get back to where he was last year.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:14 PM
He should of turned it yes but I thought the pitcher should of just gone to 1st anyway. It was going to be a really tough DP to turn. In replay maybe not but when I saw the pitcher go to 2nd I was like "yes!" cause I knew the inning would keep going.
Are you serious? With Ross Gload running at first base, the obvious play is to 2nd for a DP. The only other situation that you even consider is throwing home to prevent the run from scoring.

1st base doesn't even come into the equation. This is basic baseball knowledge here.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:17 PM
Maybe I'm crazy, but I still think Meche will at least get back to where he was last year.

I think he will too. I cant slam Nunez too much tonight. He hit one guy yes but the others earned their trips on base. No walks. He has been solid until tonight, so can't slam him for not being perfect. Guillen did not help that inning at all by throwing to 3rd though instead of 2nd.

Adept Havelock
04-25-2008, 10:18 PM
I think he will too. I cant slam Nunez too much tonight. He hit one guy yes but the others earned their trips on base. No walks. He has been solid until tonight, so can't slam him for not being perfect. Guillen did not help that inning at all by throwing to 3rd though instead of 2nd.

I missed the rally. Switched channels at 9:00 PM. :cuss:

That's what I get for being more of a sci-fi geek than a baseball geek.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:18 PM
Are you serious? With Ross Gload running at first base, the obvious play is to 2nd for a DP. The only other situation that you even consider is throwing home to prevent the run from scoring.

1st base doesn't even come into the equation. This is basic baseball knowledge here.

I'm just telling you the gut feeling I had. I am not saying it was a dumb play. I just felt like the way it was happening 1st base was the option then.

markk
04-25-2008, 10:18 PM
it doesn't matter if eckstein drops the ball, it's still his job to get them out with as little damage as possible. you can't make the case that he was effective in any way there, and the way that play was happening, i dont think they had a sure out at first anyway.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:19 PM
I missed the rally. :cuss:

That's what I get for being more of a sci-fi geek than a baseball geek.

little bit of luck, little bit of timely hitting, some great baserunning....we capitalized on the opportunities that presented themselves.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm just telling you the gut feeling I had. I am not saying it was a dumb play. I just felt like the way it was happening 1st base was the option then.
So you're saying it was wrong because you had a gut feeling?

If Eckstein had caught the ball and thrown to 1st, the inning would have been over, and the game likely would have ended 4-3. Ross Gload isn't fast enough to run that out, it wasn't like it was a slow grounder.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:22 PM
it doesn't matter if eckstein drops the ball, it's still his job to get them out with as little damage as possible. you can't make the case that he was effective in any way there, and the way that play was happening, i dont think they had a sure out at first anyway.
I didn't say he was effective, did I?

He didn't get shelled by the Royals, as you seem to be suggesting though. He got the DP ball that would have got him out of the inning, and then allowed a series of bloopers and grounders that found holes. So no, he could have been better, but that was awful luck for a pitcher in that situation.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:23 PM
So you're saying it was wrong because you had a gut feeling?

If Eckstein had caught the ball and thrown to 1st, the inning would have been over, and the game likely would have ended 4-3. Ross Gload isn't fast enough to run that out, it wasn't like it was a slow grounder.

I'm just telling you what vibe I was getting from the game. Your team was struggling defensivley so the best thing the Royals could of done was put the pressure on you to turnw hat should of been a game clinching DP.

The way the game was going I felt like the Royals would benefit from that so I got excited watching the pitcher throwing it too second. I knew the second he threw it there would be no dp.

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:23 PM
BTW, your manager should have left Greinke in for the 8th. That was crazy. Lucky for you guys, we have an even worse manager who doesn't play the best defensive SS in the major leagues in late innings with leads.

Adept Havelock
04-25-2008, 10:23 PM
little bit of luck, little bit of timely hitting, some great baserunning....we capitalized on the opportunities that presented themselves.

Just watched the recap on the postgame. :thumb:

Nice way for the Boys in Blue to get off the schneide.

Let's do it again tomorrow. Oh wait, Bale is starting... :huh:

Well, if I didn't have a little blind hope, I'd have given up on this team years ago. :shrug:

BTW, your manager should have left Greinke in for the 8th. That was crazy. Lucky for you guys, we have an even worse manager who doesn't play the best defensive SS in the major leagues in late innings with leads.

I think Greinke's already had two complete games so far, and another that went Eight. Hillman may have been thinking about not pushing his arm that hard again. :shrug:

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:25 PM
I'm just telling you what vibe I was getting from the game. Your team was struggling defensivley so the best thing the Royals could of done was put the pressure on you to turnw hat should of been a game clinching DP.

The way the game was going I felt like the Royals would benefit from that so I got excited watching the pitcher throwing it too second. I knew the second he threw it there would be no dp.
I got excited when Downs caught the ball and threw to 2nd because I assumed it would be an easy DP.

And it would have been...had David Eckstein been able to make an easy catch and throw.

And hey... not relevant at all but aren't you that Missouri fan who was ranting about stuff after KU got the Orange Bowl bid?

Ha, indeed you are.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:25 PM
Just watched the recap on the postgame. :thumb:

Nice way for the Boys in Blue to get off the schneide.

Let's do it again tomorrow. Oh wait, Bale is starting... :huh:

Well, if I didn't have a little blind hope, I'd have given up on this team years ago. :shrug:

No Bale is out...Hochevar should be getting the start again.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:26 PM
I got excited when Downs caught the ball and threw to 2nd because I assumed it would be an easy DP.

And it would have been...had David Eckstein been able to make an easy catch and throw.

And hey... not relevant at all but aren't you that Missouri fan who was ranting about stuff after KU got the Orange Bowl bid?

Ha, indeed you are.

Well I was right, there was no DP so I WIN! ROFL

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:27 PM
Well I was right, there was no DP so I WIN! ROFL
There was no DP because the SS screwed up an easy play.

This is no argument...you don't go to 1st base with a ball like that you moron.

petegz28
04-25-2008, 10:29 PM
There was no DP because the SS screwed up an easy play.

This is no argument...you don't go to 1st base with a ball like that you moron.

Hey I never said the guy made a dumb decision. Pay attention dickhead I already said that once. I was just telling you the gut feeling I had. And after watching your team make idiotic plays all night in the field I was right. So suck it bitch :D

Adept Havelock
04-25-2008, 10:29 PM
No Bale is out...Hochevar should be getting the start again.

:doh!: I forgot we brought him up for last Sunday's start.

Hopefully he has a better outing than last time. We really need him to develop into a solid starter and have that draft pick pay off.


I'll leave you to your argument. Have a good night, folks. :)

KC_Connection
04-25-2008, 10:32 PM
Hey I never said the guy made a dumb decision. Pay attention dickhead I already said that once. I was just telling you the gut feeling I had. And after watching your team make idiotic plays all night in the field I was right. So suck it bitch :D
Dude, I'm not sure why you think anybody cares about what a stupid Missouri fan's gut feeling is on a play. There are 2 options. Throw to 2nd for the DP, or go home if it's a faster runner who hit the ball, and cut off the run at home. Gload is slow...Downs made the right decision. You NEVER throw to 1st base. It's the wrong baseball decision to make.

And you're right, the Jays seemed to suck in the field, but generally they are a very good defensive team, and I wasn't worried about a normal DP ball.

But obviously Eckstein sucks too much, and shouldn't have been playing in that situation.

VonneMarie
04-25-2008, 10:50 PM
Get out your feelings. Royals won! PBJ

keg in kc
04-26-2008, 12:26 AM
Get out your feelings. Royals won!I think what we learned tonight is that it's OUR fault.

No game thread = win.

Reaper16
04-26-2008, 12:34 AM
But obviously Eckstein sucks too much, and shouldn't have been playing in that situation.
This seems accurate. Eckstein is a pretty terrible ballplayer. Below-average at best.

KCUnited
04-26-2008, 07:49 AM
BTW, your manager should have left Greinke in for the 8th. That was crazy. Lucky for you guys, we have an even worse manager who doesn't play the best defensive SS in the major leagues in late innings with leads.

Up until last night, Nunez hadn't given up an earned run. Grienke gave up a homer the inning before and was facing the Toronto line up for the 4th time. I can't ever fault a manager for going to his best set up man in the eighth with a 1 run lead. Now leaving Bombko in for that long in the 1st game of the double header with Cleveland was bonehead.

ChiliConCarnage
04-26-2008, 08:02 AM
pre-emptive lets go Luke! PBJ