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jjchieffan
04-26-2008, 10:21 PM
We have got be in an alternate universe.

Chiefs' Day 1 plan comes together with Dorsey, others
Clayton

By John Clayton
ESPN.com
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Updated: April 26, 2008

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Franchises spend millions in scouting, and the first two rounds of the draft are critical to the success or failure of teams. When you designate draft losers, you are really pointing to teams for which things didn't go exactly right. It could be a trade that falls through or a trade backward that doesn't work out exactly right.

The winners are evident. They get breaks. The right player falls in the right place.

This year's draft is shaping up to be a boon for running offenses. No wide receivers and only one tight end went in the first round. Six running backs and eight tackles dominated the first two rounds.

Obviously, Chad Henne and Brian Brohm were losers because they didn't go in the first round. Wide receivers were losers because none went in the first round. Fans were winners, though. The 10-minute window between first-round picks and the seven-minute second-round gap made for a more entertaining draft.

Winners

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Glenn Dorsey

James Lang/US Presswire

After losing Jared Allen to the Vikings, the Chiefs were able to land one of the best defensive players in the draft in Glenn Dorsey.
1. Kansas City Chiefs: The plan was to find a pass-rusher to replace Jared Allen, who was traded to the Minnesota Vikings. The Chiefs came out even better. They got perhaps the best defensive player in the draft, LSU's Glenn Dorsey at No. 5. Some feel Dorsey might be the best defensive player to come around in years. Now he's the anchor of their improving defense. The Chiefs were able to get the offensive lineman of their choice, Branden Albert of Virginia. They got a good break toward the top of the second round when CB Brandon Flowers fell to them. The Chiefs hope to find five or six starters out of this draft. Day 1 was a bonanza.

2. Miami Dolphins: Give Bill Parcells some credit. He was patient and made great decisions. First, he signed OT Jake Long to a five-year contract. The left tackle who will anchor the line will be at every minicamp and every day of training camp. In the second round, Parcells got 276-pound defensive end Phillip Merling. Parcells likes big bodies on defense. Merling fits the job requirements. The bonus was getting Henne of Michigan with the 57th pick. That Miami didn't take Henne at the top of the second round was a vote of confidence for John Beck. Parcells got the best of both worlds. Henne can push Beck and veteran Josh McCown.

3. Baltimore Ravens: If you believe in Joe Flacco, the Ravens were winners. If you don't, we'll they go in a different category. Steve McNair's retirement blindsided the Ravens, so they had to get a quarterback in the first two rounds. They feverishly tried to trade up for Matt Ryan, but he went to the Atlanta Falcons at No. 3. To get Flacco, the Ravens traded back with Jacksonville from No. 8 and then traded up with Houston to No. 18. Most people thought Henne was the Ravens' No. 2 quarterback option because general manager Ozzie Newsome doesn't draft small-college players. Flacco is only the second smal-college player taken by Newsome in the first day of a draft. Flacco has a great arm, and the Ravens are a solid organization. They won't rush him into the field.

4. Pittsburgh Steelers: You've got to be kidding me. Ben Roethlisberger wanted a big receiver and he got Limas Sweed in the second round. Running back Rashard Mendenhall was a steal at No. 23. The Steelers play the toughest schedule in football this year. The Willie Parker-Mendenhall one-two punch in the backfield should be dynamite. Roethlisberger has Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington and Sweed at receiver. Heath Miller is a talented tight end. Known as being a defensive team for decades, the Steelers are assembling great offensive weapons.

5. Dallas Cowboys: The Cowboys wanted a running back and a cornerback at the top of the draft. They ended up getting more than that. Felix Jones is a perfect back to augment Marion Barber, a physical back who tends to wear down. Jones can be physical, but he's a receiving threat out of the backfield. Cornerback Mike Jenkins was a bonus. Most teams expected Jenkins to go in the top 20. The Cowboys were able to trade up to get him. Now they have Terence Newman, Anthony Henry, Jenkins and Pacman Jones if he's reinstated. A once-thin position is now deep.

Losers

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Sedrick Ellis

Gary A. Vasquez/US Presswire

The Bengals efforts to land a defensive tackle fell short when Sedrick Ellis wound up in New Orleans.
1. Cincinnati Bengals: The Bengals did well under the circumstances, but they didn't get the defensive tackle (Sedrick Ellis) they coveted. Cincinnati tried all offseason to get a defensive tackle, but trades for Shaun Rogers and Dewayne Robertson fell through. Ellis went to the New Orleans Saints when they traded up to No. 9. Cincinnati got a break when the Patriots traded down and didn't take linebacker Keith Rivers, who is a great choice for the Bengals. Rivers will be a great player for the Bengals, but they needed a defensive tackle.

Round 2 was a scramble for a wide receiver, and the Bengals ended up with Jerome Simpson of Coastal Carolina. He wasn't the biggest name available.

2. Houston Texans: Things went horribly for the Texans, who wanted one of the top offensive linemen. Branden Albert or Chris Williams would have worked, but they were gone, so the Texans traded down. They might have been able to pull out cornerback Mike Jenkins, but he went to Dallas with the 25th pick. The Texans ended up with offensive lineman Duane Brown of Virginia Tech, whom many thought was a second-rounder.

3. New England Patriots: Thanks to the 49ers' horrible 2007 season, the Patriots ended up with the seventh pick in the first round. They hated it. It was horrible spot for the Patriots, a franchise that mastered the team concept.

The seventh pick would have received third- or fourth-highest salary average on the team, so it was evident the Patriots would trade down. They dumped the pick to the Saints and got moderate value. At the 10th pick, New England drafted Jerod Mayo, who probably would have fell to the Redskins at No. 21. Mayo could end up being a Pro Bowler for the Patriots. He's smart and can play inside or outside. But he's going to get a max contract worth around $4 million a year. At least New England got out of the No. 7 spot, which would have cost them more than $7 million a season.

4. New York Giants: This may sound strange to list the Giants because they went 8-for-8 in the draft last year and got the player they wanted in the first round, safety Kenny Phillips. But they got greedy on a proposed Jeremy Shockey trade. Saints coach Sean Payton wanted to give them a second-round pick. The Giants wanted more, so there won't be a Shockey trade. The Giants had five second-round options at tight end, but they took cornerback Terrell Thomas. Sure, those tight end options wouldn't have been as good as Shockey, but he's clearly not a completely happy player. They should have made the trade.

5. Tennessee Titans: Running back Chris Johnson is lightning fast, but he's not Felix Jones or Rashard Mendenhall. The bad break for the Titans was Jones and Mendenhall went to the Cowboys and Steelers at No. 22 and No. 23. Most teams knew the Titans, who picked at No. 26, were leaning toward taking a running back.

Jones was their guy and they had to be tempted by Mendenhall.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3369696

eazyb81
04-26-2008, 10:25 PM
We're going to run away with draft of the year honors as long as we don't have a 2nd day full of reaches.

Kudos to Carl and Herm. They stuck to their board and it worked to perfection.

jjchieffan
04-26-2008, 11:06 PM
Interesting how they have the Dolphins with the second best draft. I remember someone calling it awful in the draft thread, don't remember who. I argued then that it was a solid draft. I wouldn't say 2nd best either, but definitely good.

Amnorix
04-26-2008, 11:16 PM
I like the Chiefs draft. Thought it was very good. Picking up a second mid-round first, of course, makes it alot easier to have a good draft, but I did like what they got with their picks.

The experts rarely like the Pats drafts. Ty Warren was a "reach", as were Daniel Graham, Ben Watson, Logan Mankins, and god-knows who else. At this piont, it's actually kinda funny to watch Kiper. He has to struggle with what he wants to say "they REACHED, **I** would destroy any (other) team that would take him this high", and what he knows, which is that Belichick 1st round picks are never, ever, ever busts. Not a single one since he joined the Pats has been anything but at least a solid and productive starting player by no later than his 2nd year with the team. Several are Pro Bowlers or near-pro Bowlers, including Wilfork, Warren, Seymour and Mankins.

huskerdooz
04-26-2008, 11:28 PM
I like the Chiefs draft. Thought it was very good. Picking up a second mid-round first, of course, makes it alot easier to have a good draft, but I did like what they got with their picks.

The experts rarely like the Pats drafts. Ty Warren was a "reach", as were Daniel Graham, Ben Watson, Logan Mankins, and god-knows who else. At this piont, it's actually kinda funny to watch Kiper. He has to struggle with what he wants to say "they REACHED, **I** would destroy any (other) team that would take him this high", and what he knows, which is that Belichick 1st round picks are never, ever, ever busts. Not a single one since he joined the Pats has been anything but at least a solid and productive starting player by no later than his 2nd year with the team. Several are Pro Bowlers or near-pro Bowlers, including Wilfork, Warren, Seymour and Mankins.

I think you guys are going to be happy with Mayo. IIRCC, your LBs are getting a little long in the tooth.

ClevelandBronco
04-26-2008, 11:30 PM
We have got be in an alternate universe.

Chiefs' Day 1 plan comes together with Dorsey, others
Clayton

By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: April 26, 2008

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Franchises spend millions in scouting, and the first two rounds of the draft are critical to the success or failure of teams. When you designate draft losers, you are really pointing to teams for which things didn't go exactly right. It could be a trade that falls through or a trade backward that doesn't work out exactly right.

The winners are evident. They get breaks. The right player falls in the right place.

This year's draft is shaping up to be a boon for running offenses. No wide receivers and only one tight end went in the first round. Six running backs and eight tackles dominated the first two rounds.

Obviously, Chad Henne and Brian Brohm were losers because they didn't go in the first round. Wide receivers were losers because none went in the first round. Fans were winners, though. The 10-minute window between first-round picks and the seven-minute second-round gap made for a more entertaining draft.

Winners

[+] Enlarge
Glenn Dorsey

James Lang/US Presswire

After losing Jared Allen to the Vikings, the Chiefs were able to land one of the best defensive players in the draft in Glenn Dorsey.
1. Kansas City Chiefs: The plan was to find a pass-rusher to replace Jared Allen, who was traded to the Minnesota Vikings. The Chiefs came out even better. They got perhaps the best defensive player in the draft, LSU's Glenn Dorsey at No. 5. Some feel Dorsey might be the best defensive player to come around in years. Now he's the anchor of their improving defense. The Chiefs were able to get the offensive lineman of their choice, Branden Albert of Virginia. They got a good break toward the top of the second round when CB Brandon Flowers fell to them. The Chiefs hope to find five or six starters out of this draft. Day 1 was a bonanza.

2. Miami Dolphins: Give Bill Parcells some credit. He was patient and made great decisions. First, he signed OT Jake Long to a five-year contract. The left tackle who will anchor the line will be at every minicamp and every day of training camp. In the second round, Parcells got 276-pound defensive end Phillip Merling. Parcells likes big bodies on defense. Merling fits the job requirements. The bonus was getting Henne of Michigan with the 57th pick. That Miami didn't take Henne at the top of the second round was a vote of confidence for John Beck. Parcells got the best of both worlds. Henne can push Beck and veteran Josh McCown.

3. Baltimore Ravens: If you believe in Joe Flacco, the Ravens were winners. If you don't, we'll they go in a different category. Steve McNair's retirement blindsided the Ravens, so they had to get a quarterback in the first two rounds. They feverishly tried to trade up for Matt Ryan, but he went to the Atlanta Falcons at No. 3. To get Flacco, the Ravens traded back with Jacksonville from No. 8 and then traded up with Houston to No. 18. Most people thought Henne was the Ravens' No. 2 quarterback option because general manager Ozzie Newsome doesn't draft small-college players. Flacco is only the second smal-college player taken by Newsome in the first day of a draft. Flacco has a great arm, and the Ravens are a solid organization. They won't rush him into the field.

4. Pittsburgh Steelers: You've got to be kidding me. Ben Roethlisberger wanted a big receiver and he got Limas Sweed in the second round. Running back Rashard Mendenhall was a steal at No. 23. The Steelers play the toughest schedule in football this year. The Willie Parker-Mendenhall one-two punch in the backfield should be dynamite. Roethlisberger has Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington and Sweed at receiver. Heath Miller is a talented tight end. Known as being a defensive team for decades, the Steelers are assembling great offensive weapons.

5. Dallas Cowboys: The Cowboys wanted a running back and a cornerback at the top of the draft. They ended up getting more than that. Felix Jones is a perfect back to augment Marion Barber, a physical back who tends to wear down. Jones can be physical, but he's a receiving threat out of the backfield. Cornerback Mike Jenkins was a bonus. Most teams expected Jenkins to go in the top 20. The Cowboys were able to trade up to get him. Now they have Terence Newman, Anthony Henry, Jenkins and Pacman Jones if he's reinstated. A once-thin position is now deep.

Losers

[+] Enlarge
Sedrick Ellis

Gary A. Vasquez/US Presswire

The Bengals efforts to land a defensive tackle fell short when Sedrick Ellis wound up in New Orleans.
1. Cincinnati Bengals: The Bengals did well under the circumstances, but they didn't get the defensive tackle (Sedrick Ellis) they coveted. Cincinnati tried all offseason to get a defensive tackle, but trades for Shaun Rogers and Dewayne Robertson fell through. Ellis went to the New Orleans Saints when they traded up to No. 9. Cincinnati got a break when the Patriots traded down and didn't take linebacker Keith Rivers, who is a great choice for the Bengals. Rivers will be a great player for the Bengals, but they needed a defensive tackle.

Round 2 was a scramble for a wide receiver, and the Bengals ended up with Jerome Simpson of Coastal Carolina. He wasn't the biggest name available.

2. Houston Texans: Things went horribly for the Texans, who wanted one of the top offensive linemen. Branden Albert or Chris Williams would have worked, but they were gone, so the Texans traded down. They might have been able to pull out cornerback Mike Jenkins, but he went to Dallas with the 25th pick. The Texans ended up with offensive lineman Duane Brown of Virginia Tech, whom many thought was a second-rounder.

3. New England Patriots: Thanks to the 49ers' horrible 2007 season, the Patriots ended up with the seventh pick in the first round. They hated it. It was horrible spot for the Patriots, a franchise that mastered the team concept.

The seventh pick would have received third- or fourth-highest salary average on the team, so it was evident the Patriots would trade down. They dumped the pick to the Saints and got moderate value. At the 10th pick, New England drafted Jerod Mayo, who probably would have fell to the Redskins at No. 21. Mayo could end up being a Pro Bowler for the Patriots. He's smart and can play inside or outside. But he's going to get a max contract worth around $4 million a year. At least New England got out of the No. 7 spot, which would have cost them more than $7 million a season.

4. New York Giants: This may sound strange to list the Giants because they went 8-for-8 in the draft last year and got the player they wanted in the first round, safety Kenny Phillips. But they got greedy on a proposed Jeremy Shockey trade. Saints coach Sean Payton wanted to give them a second-round pick. The Giants wanted more, so there won't be a Shockey trade. The Giants had five second-round options at tight end, but they took cornerback Terrell Thomas. Sure, those tight end options wouldn't have been as good as Shockey, but he's clearly not a completely happy player. They should have made the trade.

5. Tennessee Titans: Running back Chris Johnson is lightning fast, but he's not Felix Jones or Rashard Mendenhall. The bad break for the Titans was Jones and Mendenhall went to the Cowboys and Steelers at No. 22 and No. 23. Most teams knew the Titans, who picked at No. 26, were leaning toward taking a running back.

Jones was their guy and they had to be tempted by Mendenhall.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3369696

Is this column available in English?

Count Alex's Losses
04-26-2008, 11:31 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers: You've got to be kidding me. Ben Roethlisberger wanted a big receiver and he got Limas Sweed in the second round. Running back Rashard Mendenhall was a steal at No. 23. The Steelers play the toughest schedule in football this year. The Willie Parker-Mendenhall one-two punch in the backfield should be dynamite. Roethlisberger has Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington and Sweed at receiver. Heath Miller is a talented tight end. Known as being a defensive team for decades, the Steelers are assembling great offensive weapons.

That was pretty awesome, yeah. Envious.

jAZ
04-27-2008, 12:28 AM
We have got be in an alternate universe.

Chiefs' Day 1 plan comes together with Dorsey, others
Clayton

By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: April 26, 2008

* Comment
* Email
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Franchises spend millions in scouting, and the first two rounds of the draft are critical to the success or failure of teams. When you designate draft losers, you are really pointing to teams for which things didn't go exactly right. It could be a trade that falls through or a trade backward that doesn't work out exactly right.

The winners are evident. They get breaks. The right player falls in the right place.

This year's draft is shaping up to be a boon for running offenses. No wide receivers and only one tight end went in the first round. Six running backs and eight tackles dominated the first two rounds.

Obviously, Chad Henne and Brian Brohm were losers because they didn't go in the first round. Wide receivers were losers because none went in the first round. Fans were winners, though. The 10-minute window between first-round picks and the seven-minute second-round gap made for a more entertaining draft.

Winners

[+] Enlarge
Glenn Dorsey

James Lang/US Presswire

After losing Jared Allen to the Vikings, the Chiefs were able to land one of the best defensive players in the draft in Glenn Dorsey.
1. Kansas City Chiefs: The plan was to find a pass-rusher to replace Jared Allen, who was traded to the Minnesota Vikings. The Chiefs came out even better. They got perhaps the best defensive player in the draft, LSU's Glenn Dorsey at No. 5. Some feel Dorsey might be the best defensive player to come around in years. Now he's the anchor of their improving defense. The Chiefs were able to get the offensive lineman of their choice, Branden Albert of Virginia. They got a good break toward the top of the second round when CB Brandon Flowers fell to them. The Chiefs hope to find five or six starters out of this draft. Day 1 was a bonanza.

2. Miami Dolphins: Give Bill Parcells some credit. He was patient and made great decisions. First, he signed OT Jake Long to a five-year contract. The left tackle who will anchor the line will be at every minicamp and every day of training camp. In the second round, Parcells got 276-pound defensive end Phillip Merling. Parcells likes big bodies on defense. Merling fits the job requirements. The bonus was getting Henne of Michigan with the 57th pick. That Miami didn't take Henne at the top of the second round was a vote of confidence for John Beck. Parcells got the best of both worlds. Henne can push Beck and veteran Josh McCown.

3. Baltimore Ravens: If you believe in Joe Flacco, the Ravens were winners. If you don't, we'll they go in a different category. Steve McNair's retirement blindsided the Ravens, so they had to get a quarterback in the first two rounds. They feverishly tried to trade up for Matt Ryan, but he went to the Atlanta Falcons at No. 3. To get Flacco, the Ravens traded back with Jacksonville from No. 8 and then traded up with Houston to No. 18. Most people thought Henne was the Ravens' No. 2 quarterback option because general manager Ozzie Newsome doesn't draft small-college players. Flacco is only the second smal-college player taken by Newsome in the first day of a draft. Flacco has a great arm, and the Ravens are a solid organization. They won't rush him into the field.

4. Pittsburgh Steelers: You've got to be kidding me. Ben Roethlisberger wanted a big receiver and he got Limas Sweed in the second round. Running back Rashard Mendenhall was a steal at No. 23. The Steelers play the toughest schedule in football this year. The Willie Parker-Mendenhall one-two punch in the backfield should be dynamite. Roethlisberger has Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington and Sweed at receiver. Heath Miller is a talented tight end. Known as being a defensive team for decades, the Steelers are assembling great offensive weapons.

5. Dallas Cowboys: The Cowboys wanted a running back and a cornerback at the top of the draft. They ended up getting more than that. Felix Jones is a perfect back to augment Marion Barber, a physical back who tends to wear down. Jones can be physical, but he's a receiving threat out of the backfield. Cornerback Mike Jenkins was a bonus. Most teams expected Jenkins to go in the top 20. The Cowboys were able to trade up to get him. Now they have Terence Newman, Anthony Henry, Jenkins and Pacman Jones if he's reinstated. A once-thin position is now deep.

Losers

[+] Enlarge
Sedrick Ellis

Gary A. Vasquez/US Presswire

The Bengals efforts to land a defensive tackle fell short when Sedrick Ellis wound up in New Orleans.
1. Cincinnati Bengals: The Bengals did well under the circumstances, but they didn't get the defensive tackle (Sedrick Ellis) they coveted. Cincinnati tried all offseason to get a defensive tackle, but trades for Shaun Rogers and Dewayne Robertson fell through. Ellis went to the New Orleans Saints when they traded up to No. 9. Cincinnati got a break when the Patriots traded down and didn't take linebacker Keith Rivers, who is a great choice for the Bengals. Rivers will be a great player for the Bengals, but they needed a defensive tackle.

Round 2 was a scramble for a wide receiver, and the Bengals ended up with Jerome Simpson of Coastal Carolina. He wasn't the biggest name available.

2. Houston Texans: Things went horribly for the Texans, who wanted one of the top offensive linemen. Branden Albert or Chris Williams would have worked, but they were gone, so the Texans traded down. They might have been able to pull out cornerback Mike Jenkins, but he went to Dallas with the 25th pick. The Texans ended up with offensive lineman Duane Brown of Virginia Tech, whom many thought was a second-rounder.

3. New England Patriots: Thanks to the 49ers' horrible 2007 season, the Patriots ended up with the seventh pick in the first round. They hated it. It was horrible spot for the Patriots, a franchise that mastered the team concept.

The seventh pick would have received third- or fourth-highest salary average on the team, so it was evident the Patriots would trade down. They dumped the pick to the Saints and got moderate value. At the 10th pick, New England drafted Jerod Mayo, who probably would have fell to the Redskins at No. 21. Mayo could end up being a Pro Bowler for the Patriots. He's smart and can play inside or outside. But he's going to get a max contract worth around $4 million a year. At least New England got out of the No. 7 spot, which would have cost them more than $7 million a season.

4. New York Giants: This may sound strange to list the Giants because they went 8-for-8 in the draft last year and got the player they wanted in the first round, safety Kenny Phillips. But they got greedy on a proposed Jeremy Shockey trade. Saints coach Sean Payton wanted to give them a second-round pick. The Giants wanted more, so there won't be a Shockey trade. The Giants had five second-round options at tight end, but they took cornerback Terrell Thomas. Sure, those tight end options wouldn't have been as good as Shockey, but he's clearly not a completely happy player. They should have made the trade.

5. Tennessee Titans: Running back Chris Johnson is lightning fast, but he's not Felix Jones or Rashard Mendenhall. The bad break for the Titans was Jones and Mendenhall went to the Cowboys and Steelers at No. 22 and No. 23. Most teams knew the Titans, who picked at No. 26, were leaning toward taking a running back.

Jones was their guy and they had to be tempted by Mendenhall.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3369696

Is this column available in English?

Did you really need to copy that whole thing?

:p

keg in kc
04-27-2008, 12:30 AM
That did remind me of Herm's comment of wanting at least 5 starters from this draft. He's already 60% of the way there, with 9 to go.

Mizzou_8541
04-27-2008, 12:34 AM
We're going to run away with draft of the year honors as long as we don't have a 2nd day full of reaches.

Kudos to Carl and Herm. They stuck to their board and it worked to perfection.

I respect the vote of confidence in Carl and Herm. Many of the planeteers here, who were completely against anything front office, would not have the testicular fortitude to give credit where credit is due.

Amnorix
04-27-2008, 12:41 AM
I think you guys are going to be happy with Mayo. IIRCC, your LBs are getting a little long in the tooth.

They're freaking ancient. We definitely needed an infusion of LB youth. We've needed one for years, to be honest.

keg in kc
04-27-2008, 12:43 AM
They're freaking ancient. We definitely needed an infusion of LB youth. We've needed one for years, to be honest.I was about to say, it seems like you've had old linebackers the entire time Belichick's been there. I always thought that was by design, so the pick surprised me a little.

bigbucks24
04-27-2008, 12:44 AM
Great draft by the Chiefs. Well done! Congrats.