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CupidStunt
04-27-2008, 06:54 AM
QB: Croyle
RB: LJ
TE: Gonzalez
WR1: Bowe
WR2: _______

LT: Albert
LG: Waters
C: _______
RG: _______
RT: McIntosh

DE: Hali
DT: Tank/Boone
DT: DORSEY!
DE: _______
OLB: Johnson
MLB: _______
OLB: Edwards/Williams

CB: Surtain
FS: Page
SS: Pollard
CB: Flowers

I'm all about BPA, as are a lot of us. But I'm hoping the BPA is a WR, OL, DE and CB for the next few picks.

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 07:01 AM
Um I think you are forgetting some people

QB: Croyle
RB: LJ
FB:_______
TE: Gonzalez
WR1: Bowe
WR2: _______
WR3: Darling/Webb/Sippio

LT: Albert
LG: Waters
C: Niswanger/Smith
RG: _______
RT: McIntosh

DE: Hali
DT: Tank/Turk
DT: DORSEY!
DE:______
OLB: Johnson
MLB: Harris
OLB: Edwards/Williams

CB: Surtain
FS: Page
SS: Pollard
CB: Flowers

CupidStunt
04-27-2008, 07:15 AM
I forgot a fullback. And yeah that's a vacant spot.

The other guys I don't consider true starters. Boone at LDE? Get outta here. That's what Herm said would happen RIGHT NOW, i.e. before we draft NINE more players. Guys like Niswanger and Smith haven't done enough for me to annoint either one a starter.

milkman
04-27-2008, 07:21 AM
I'm calling it right now.

McIntosh won't be on the starting RT on opening day.

In fact, he won't be starting anywhere along the line.

He, for all of his size, is not a physical blocker, and is a glass vagina.

Albert will displace him at LT, and Herb Taylor will be starting at RT.

We'll draft someone today that will be our starter at RG, and Rudy Nuswanger will be our center.

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 07:31 AM
Actually looking at the roster and going into camp this might be a really interesting TC...too bad HBO isn't doing us again this year

QB: Croyle/Greene/Huard/Thigpin
RB: LJ/Smith/Battle
FB:Hoyte/Manderino
TE: Gonzalez/Allan/Foschi
WR: Bowe/Darling/Webb/Sippio/Price/Drummond (still on the roster?)

K:Cundiff/Carney/Novak
P: Colquitt

T: Albert/Leffew/Stallings/Taylor/McIntosh/Alabi/
G: Waters/Smith, R
C: Niswanger/Smith, W


DE: Hali/McBride
DT: Dorsey/Tyler/Edwards, R/Jackson/Boone

LB: Johnson/Harris/Edwards, D/Williams/Pimental/Thomas/Baldwin/


CB: Surtain/Flowers/Patterson/Brackenridge/Johnson/Barksdale
S: Page/Pollard/Wesley/Harris/McGraw/


Looking at that tells me we need to get or bring in UDFA another

DE
G
WR
K
S
CB

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 07:32 AM
I forgot a fullback. And yeah that's a vacant spot.

The other guys I don't consider true starters. Boone at LDE? Get outta here. That's what Herm said would happen RIGHT NOW, i.e. before we draft NINE more players. Guys like Niswanger and Smith haven't done enough for me to annoint either one a starter.


we just picked up Wade Smith....

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 07:33 AM
I'm calling it right now.

McIntosh won't be on the starting RT on opening day.

In fact, he won't be starting anywhere along the line.

He, for all of his size, is not a physical blocker, and is a glass vagina.

Albert will displace him at LT, and Herb Taylor will be starting at RT.

We'll draft someone today that will be our starter at RG, and Rudy Nuswanger will be our center.

Really? I haven't heard anything indicating that Herb was ready for that kind of duty....

milkman
04-27-2008, 07:41 AM
Really? I haven't heard anything indicating that Herb was ready for that kind of duty....

Taylor started a shit ton of games at TCU, 3 years at RT, and his senior year at LT.

He played at LT in a couple of games last year, and acquitted himself nicely.

He's just the kind of late round pick that finds success on the line after a season of seasoning.

What I like about him is that he is fairly athletic, and pretty damn strong even though he isn't a mammoth guy, and he plays with outstanding leverage.

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 07:44 AM
Taylor started a shit ton of games at TCU, 3 years at RT, and his senior year at LT.

He played at LT in a couple of games last year, and acquitted himself nicely.

He's just the kind of late round pick that finds success on the line after a season of seasoning.

What I like about him is that he is fairly athletic, and pretty damn strong even though he isn't a mammoth guy, and he plays with outstanding leverage.

awesome...I hope so...I mean would it be wrong of me to hope Brodie can lead us to the promised land with a decent o-line/healthy LJ this year ;)


what are your thoughts on Center?

milkman
04-27-2008, 08:05 AM
awesome...I hope so...I mean would it be wrong of me to hope Brodie can lead us to the promised land with a decent o-line/healthy LJ this year ;)


what are your thoughts on Center?

First, just a couple more thoughts on RT.

We are seeing more 3-4 defenses, which means that you not only have to have a guy at RT that is a downhill blocker, but you still need an athletic guy that can move his feet, cause he's going to be blocking blitzing LBs more often.

Guys like Merriman, who can kill you with speed and knock you on your ass will present real problems for RTs who aren't both strong and athletic.

Herb Taylor fits that bill.


As to center, I've said before that I like what Rudy Niswanger brings to the table.

He's a big strong guy, who also has the ability to move, and he was an academic All American, and since the center is the guy who makes the line calls, you need someone who has the intelligence to recognize what defenses are doing.

He's another of those guys that played a lot of games at the college level, who is now ready to make that step up.

I like him, though not as much as Taylor.

I think there's a possibility that there'll be a center taken today that'll push him for the spot, but I won't be surprised to see Niswanger win the spot.

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 08:08 AM
First, just a couple more thoughts on RT.

We are seeing more 3-4 defenses, which means that you not only have to have a guy at RT that is a downhill blocker, but you still need an athletic guy that can move his feet, cause he's going to be blocking blitzing LBs more often.

Guys like Merriman, who can kill you with speed and knock you on your ass will present real problems for RTs who aren't both strong and athletic.

Herb Taylor fits that bill.


As to center, I've said before that I like what Rudy Niswanger brings to the table.

He's a big strong guy, who also has the ability to move, and he was an academic All American, and since the center is the guy who makes the line calls, you need someone who has the intelligence to recognize what defenses are doing.

He's another of those guys that played a lot of games at the college level, who is now ready to make that step up.

I like him, though not as much as Taylor.

I think there's a possibility that there'll be a center taken today that'll push him for the spot, but I won't be surprised to see Niswanger win the spot.

nice take...I didn't even think about the OT v LB matchup....staying on the line theme...you think there is another DE out there to be had in the 3rd worth a starting job?

Herzig
04-27-2008, 08:15 AM
Um I think you are forgetting some people

LT: Albert
LG: Waters
C: Niswanger/Smith
RG: _______
RT: McIntosh



What are the odds that LJ runs 80% of the time to the LEFT side?

milkman
04-27-2008, 08:17 AM
nice take...I didn't even think about the OT v LB matchup....staying on the line theme...you think there is another DE out there to be had in the 3rd worth a starting job?

I think Chris Ellis out of VT is a good 3rd round guy.

I haven't seen Brian Johnston of Gardner-Webb, but everything I've read, adn the highlights tapes I've seen seem to indicate that he has 4th round value.

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 08:25 AM
I think Chris Ellis out of VT is a good 3rd round guy.

I haven't seen Brian Johnston of Gardner-Webb, but everything I've read, adn the highlights tapes I've seen seem to indicate that he has 4th round value.

you know anything about this Robertson out of Ga Tech? heard he has alot of speed and strength

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 08:29 AM
you know anything about this Robertson out of Ga Tech? heard he has alot of speed and strength


Just what I could find from NFL.com (f*ck ESPN and their insider crap)

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 245


Analysis

Positives: Can carry another 10 pounds of bulk without the additional weight impacting his impressive timed speed...Has a tall, linear frame with good overall muscle tone, a tight abdomen, and good thickness in his thighs and calves...Demonstrates great explosion coming off the snap and gets most of his backside success due to his speed, as he will generally surprise a lethargic offensive tackle...Carries his weight well, showing good balance and body control working his way down the line and has the second gear to generate long pursuit...When playing on the edge, he keeps his pads down and head on a swivel, as he compensates for a lack of ideal bulk with very active hands to deliver counter moves and slip off blocks...Very shifty on the move, with the stop-and-go agility to quickly change direction...Shows good intelligence, great vision and solid alertness to the action around him...Has a good feel for blocking pressure and is quick to digest the playbook...His ability to close on the ball is the result of his decisive moves when flashing into the backfield...Takes a "search and destroy" attitude into the trenches and he is a disciplined player who won't get reckless and take himself out of the play...Might lack the bulk and strength to face up to bigger offensive linemen, but with his hand technique, placement and array of moves, he will generally make the play and not get washed out at the line of scrimmage...Self-made type, adding over 40 pounds of muscle to his frame since arriving on campus as a 205-pound freshman...Vocal type on the field and when he wants to get his point across, his teammates immediately listen...Gets a lot of his success penetrating the backfield with his sudden burst off the snap...Generates the acceleration to take a wide loop around the corner and still pressure the pocket...Stays low in his pads and has the loose hips to redirect, also displaying the second gear needed to excel in long pursuit (see 2007 Notre Dame, Boston College and Army and 2006 Virginia, Duke and Wake Forest games)...Much better playing on the move than when working in-line, making him a better fit as a strong-side linebacker in a 3-4 alignment than by playing in a down position...Compensates for his lack of bulk by using his hands and long reach to keep blockers from getting into his body...Athletic runner with the savvy to avoid trash and while he might get stuck on the bigger people up front, he uses his hands effectively to keep separation... Has the hand punch to shock and push back the lead blocker when trying to clog the rush lanes (allowed just one first down on 76 running plays) and while he is a solid wrap-up tackler, once he grabs a receiver in pass coverage, he locks on and does a good job of rerouting his opponent. His hands are very effective for him keeping separation on the run...Looks very fluid playing down the line. He has that sudden burst to close and pressure the pocket and is quick to get a shoulder on a lethargic blocker...Effective closing on the ball in long pursuit, showing the cat-quick moves you expect from a linebacker...Very good at running down plays along the perimeter and opponents have averaged just 0.33 yards per rushing attempt vs. him throughout his career...Classic wrap-up tackler with enough hand strength to lock on and drag the ball carrier down in the open field...Hits with good thud upon contact and shows very good balance making plays on the move...His body control lets him stay low in his pads and his loose hips are evident by the way he fluidly changes direction...Has become a good leverage player whose read-and-pursuit skills make him relentless getting to the ball...Comes off the edge with a sudden burst and when asked to shoot the gaps, blockers are often surprised by his explosion through the holes (see 2007 Notre Dame, Boston College and Army and 2006 Duke and Wake Forest games)...The thing you see on film since his junior year is that he combines his speed with efficient inside counter moves to pressure the pocket... Stays in control when closing (when he takes aim on the QB, he will get there in an instant)...Shows very good athletic agility when he flexes and bends his knees to get down the line of scrimmage...Quick to react and diagnose the play and shows suddenness tracking down the ball after locating it.

Negatives: Has an ideal frame you look for in a strong-side linebacker or rush end, but will need to add more bulk if a team plans to play him as a down lineman at the next level...As a down lineman, he is too light to combat offensive tackles on a regular basis and must compensate with his quick hands and feet in attempts to escape...The bigger blockers have had good success executing reach blocks on him and he is not effective at splitting double-team activity (must hold his ground longer at the point of attack).

Compares To: JASON TAYLOR-Miami...Some teams feel that Robertson lacks the bulk to face up to the bigger offensive tackles at the next level, but, like Taylor, Robertson is blessed with excellent quickness, good balance and body control and very active hands to counter. He is best playing on the move, as his bulk issues do come into play when trying to combat double teams, but he has that lateral agility and closing burst to get serious consideration as a strong-side linebacker or edge rusher. Those experts that might question his ability to stuff the run need to digest this fact -- in 101 running plays, the opponents have gained only 33 yards and one first down against him.

milkman
04-27-2008, 08:30 AM
you know anything about this Robertson out of Ga Tech? heard he has alot of speed and strength

He's not someone that I'm excited about potentially drafting.

He might have some upside with good coaching and about 10 to 15 added pounds, but I really don't see him as anything more than a b/u rotational guy at best.

But I only saw him once, so take it for what it's worth.

CupidStunt
04-27-2008, 08:31 AM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80802061&template=with-video&confirm=true

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 08:32 AM
He's not someone that I'm excited about potentially drafting.

He might have some upside with good coaching and about 10 to 15 added pounds, but I really don't see him as anything more than a b/u rotational guy at best.

But I only saw him once, so take it for what it's worth.

I really should watch more College football...

DTLB58
04-27-2008, 08:46 AM
QB: Croyle
RB: LJ
TE: Gonzalez
WR1: Bowe
WR2: _______

LT: Albert
LG: Waters
C: _______
RG: _______
RT: McIntosh

DE: Hali
DT: Tank/Boone
DT: DORSEY!
DE: _______
OLB: Johnson
MLB: _______
OLB: Edwards/Williams

CB: Surtain
FS: Page
SS: Pollard
CB: Flowers

I'm all about BPA, as are a lot of us. But I'm hoping the BPA is a WR, OL, DE and CB for the next few picks.

Here, Here :clap: Good Job, I agree 100%

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 08:48 AM
Here, Here :clap: Good Job, I agree 100%


you don't think Harris is going to win the MLB spot this year?

Skip Towne
04-27-2008, 08:54 AM
With Herm's popgun offense we had better find a deadeye kicker.

Buehler445
04-27-2008, 08:55 AM
As to center, I've said before that I like what Rudy Niswanger brings to the table.

He's a big strong guy, who also has the ability to move, and he was an academic All American, and since the center is the guy who makes the line calls, you need someone who has the intelligence to recognize what defenses are doing.

He's another of those guys that played a lot of games at the college level, who is now ready to make that step up.

I like him, though not as much as Taylor.

I think there's a possibility that there'll be a center taken today that'll push him for the spot, but I won't be surprised to see Niswanger win the spot.

Good thoughts MM. What are your thoughts on drafting a center late and letting Rudy move to RG? I think he played pretty well there last year. I know about how we want an expereinced guy at center because they have to call line plays, but someone somewhere has to start them to get experience right?

milkman
04-27-2008, 08:55 AM
you don't think Harris is going to win the MLB spot this year?

It's very possible that Harris could hold down the job for one more year.

It's also possible that Donnie Edwards could be moved inside with Williams taking over outside.

It's also possible that the Chiefs could find someone later today, like a Beau Bell, who could come in and displace harris.

milkman
04-27-2008, 08:58 AM
Good thoughts MM. What are your thoughts on drafting a center late and letting Rudy move to RG? I think he played pretty well there last year. I know about how we want an expereinced guy at center because they have to call line plays, but someone somewhere has to start them to get experience right?

It's possible.

I think a lot of it depends on who the Chiefs take on OL in this third round.

DenverChief
04-27-2008, 08:59 AM
With Herm's popgun offense we had better find a deadeye kicker.

:LOL: